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posted by CoolHand on Saturday July 25 2015, @08:58PM   Printer-friendly
from the beautiful-mind dept.

The New York Times published an article in its magazine about one of the greatest mathematicians living today, Terry Tao. The first paragraph should whet one's appetite for the rest of the article:

This April, as undergraduates strolled along the street outside his modest office on the campus of the University of California, Los Angeles, the mathematician Terence Tao mused about the possibility that water could spontaneously explode. A widely used set of equations describes the behavior of fluids like water, but there seems to be nothing in those equations, he told me, that prevents a wayward eddy from suddenly turning in on itself, tightening into an angry gyre, until the density of the energy at its core becomes infinite: a catastrophic ‘‘singularity.’’ Someone tossing a penny into the fountain by the faculty center or skipping a stone at the Santa Monica beach could apparently set off a chain reaction that would take out Southern California.

There are some people who are just too smart, and this guy is one of them.


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  • (Score: 2) by frojack on Saturday July 25 2015, @10:02PM

    by frojack (1554) on Saturday July 25 2015, @10:02PM (#213655) Journal

    Math and reality occasionally have nothing in common, and math must suffer an intrusion of reality once in a while just to balance its own equations.

    When a math musing suddenly suggests that water may suddenly in a chain reaction, when this has been observed exactly NEVER, you have your first clue that another fudge factor is needed in the equation. Instead of looking for that missing factor, this math wizard just assumes the boom.

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by maxwell demon on Saturday July 25 2015, @10:55PM

    by maxwell demon (1608) on Saturday July 25 2015, @10:55PM (#213676) Journal

    Actually, physicists already know what's going on: It's the second law of thermodynamics. Certain things can happen in principle, but have an astronomically low probability to happen, and therefore won't actually happen. There's also nothing in the equations of notion that forbids the scattered pieces of a broken glass to suddenly jump from the floor, combine at some place on the floor to form the complete glass, and jump up onto the table. We know that can happen in principle because we know that the reverse process, the glass falling down and breaking into pieces that get scattered around, can happen, and the fundamental equations are symmetric under time reversal; therefore the self-forming glass is also a solution of those equations. But don't expect it to happen; it's so unlikely that even if there had been pieces of a broken glass lying around on every square meter of the surface of every planet in the known universe since the big bang, it would not have happened once.

    Indeed, if you only go for what the equations allow without caring for the probability, you might also survive a nuclear bomb going off right above your head.

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    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2015, @08:17AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2015, @08:17AM (#213776)

      Entropy says the glass isn't putting the band back together. Hollywood isn't about to make a movie about it.

       

    • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Sunday July 26 2015, @06:07PM

      by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 26 2015, @06:07PM (#213920) Journal

      Well, for that statement to work you need a few modifications to the experimental conditions. If friction is present, e.g., reassembling the glass isn't symmetric to shattering it...you need to totally eliminate friction and have a closed environment with totally elastic walls. (I think the elastic walls are needed because otherwise you get heat loss when the pieces of glass encounter the wall.)

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      • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Sunday July 26 2015, @06:13PM

        by maxwell demon (1608) on Sunday July 26 2015, @06:13PM (#213924) Journal

        Microscopically, friction is also nothing else but ordinary motion. The non-reversibility of friction is again the second law in action. If you look at the fundamental equations, everything is indeed symmetrical. Including the interactions which macroscopically we see as friction.

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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by sjames on Saturday July 25 2015, @10:59PM

    by sjames (2882) on Saturday July 25 2015, @10:59PM (#213679) Journal

    RTFA! He obviously doesn't believe the boom can happen. He is quite clear that there is something missing in the math and wants to find out what.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 25 2015, @11:32PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 25 2015, @11:32PM (#213690)

      That was implied in the summary, I thought.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by zeigerpuppy on Sunday July 26 2015, @01:00AM

    by zeigerpuppy (1298) on Sunday July 26 2015, @01:00AM (#213719)

    I know I'm being pedantic,
    But your comment is mixing mathematics with physics.
    Mathematics is not a science, it has absolutely no requirement to describe the physical world, real or otherwise.
    The application of mathematics to describe the physical world is physics.
    Now mathmeticians are interested and draw inspiration from the physical world but the truth of their formula has nothing to do with whether they are observed (hence why mathematics is not a science). Mathematics can be wrong or incomplete but only because the logic is incorrect not because it is falsified in a Popperian sense.