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posted by janrinok on Sunday July 26 2015, @08:02AM   Printer-friendly
from the RIP dept.

You might be surprised to find out that kuro5hin -- k5 -- is still around. Well, not for much longer. Absentee landlord Rusty Foster (temporarily?) blocked new user sign ups and in the process somehow managed to block existing users from logging in.

Dedicated users can edit the HTML to add back the login box (or use a query string). Though once popular, K5 never recovered from the last time Rusty blocked new users (eventually relenting and adding a $5 sign up fee). RIP. Truly a Web 1.0 icon.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2015, @01:49PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2015, @01:49PM (#213833)

    SoylentNews is following the same trajectory as Kuro5hin.

    It started out as a legitimate alternative to Slashdot, but it has been downhill since then, while Slashdot has even managed to improve (or at least halt its decline).

  • (Score: 2) by Bill Dimm on Sunday July 26 2015, @02:04PM

    by Bill Dimm (940) on Sunday July 26 2015, @02:04PM (#213840)

    Slashdot will be dead to me as long as they continue to run auto-playing video ads. Not only are they obnoxious, but having webpages continue to suck up bandwidth after the page loads means that I have to worry about what webpages I have open before answering my VoIP phone. If Slashdot stops the video ads, well..., I probably won't notice because I don't go there anymore -- SoylentNews is good enough for my needs.

    • (Score: 2) by bugamn on Monday July 27 2015, @05:56AM

      by bugamn (1017) on Monday July 27 2015, @05:56AM (#214118)

      Have you tried NoScript or Flashblock? To be honest I didn't even know those videos autoplay. I know this solution might be a little overkill, but after some configuration I find that I barely notice they are there. I use now only NoScript as it is enough for me, and I don't enable the videos on Slashdot because I never want to watch them. You might find Flashblock to be lighter solution.

      • (Score: 2) by Bill Dimm on Monday July 27 2015, @12:41PM

        by Bill Dimm (940) on Monday July 27 2015, @12:41PM (#214273)

        Thanks for the suggestion. I have not tried NoScript or Flashblock. I think website operators deserve to be compensated for their efforts. If they want too much (ads are too annoying) for their product, I would rather just not go there at all, much as I would not frequent a restaurant that charged a fortune for mediocre food. And, really, Slashdot is the only site I've turned away from due to the ads.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by bugamn on Monday July 27 2015, @05:15PM

          by bugamn (1017) on Monday July 27 2015, @05:15PM (#214418)

          I use NoScript instead of AdBlock because it blocks only ads that I find abusive. I do agree that operators should be compensated, but I'd rather not let any random site that I opened because it was linked on Soylent News run scripts on my computer. Besides, you can whitelist ad networks on NoScript. Flashblock might be better to your purposes, though. It just asks for a click confirmation before loading flash, you can whitelist sites that you know are safe, and even Firefox enforces that from time to time when a new exploit for Flash is discovered.

  • (Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Sunday July 26 2015, @02:09PM

    by LoRdTAW (3755) on Sunday July 26 2015, @02:09PM (#213842) Journal

    I have noticed there is a bit more noise since the SN beginnings. But I don't notice it getting worse. I remember visiting k5 in the beginning and I liked /. better at that point. I then forgot about k5 until about 2011 or so and visited again. Every post was a troll post. There were no conversations, insightful/intesting/funny, basically anything of value. It occurred to me, was k5 ever meant to be serious? Was it a parody or satire of /.?

    I don't see SN moving in that direction yet. We have a pretty good crowd so far. Many of us even paid to support it. Yea, there are trolls and assholes but a. that can't be filtered and b. is something that is unavoidable. Who's to say that troll posts cant come from some of our more esteemed members?

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Francis on Sunday July 26 2015, @03:45PM

      by Francis (5544) on Sunday July 26 2015, @03:45PM (#213879)

      I just got here recently, and on the whole I have nothing to complain about. It's a lot more like Slashdot was when I first registered over a decade ago. Probably even a bit better.

      Even before the stupid Beta stuff Slashdot was on a downward spiral. Nothing, including the quality of trolling, was improving and I don't see it getting any better. There's still a small enough number of people that are actually a bit interested in discussion that it works. But the site operators over there don't care so things like the super-long comment trolling goes on unabated when they could easily just put some code into the site to collapse all but the first dozen or so lines and make things readable. Sometimes there's be a dozen screens worth of those posts to skip through in order to get to actual posts. And those posts themselves have devolved into worthless garbage in most cases.

      The only saving grace of /. lately is that there's some interesting articles. But, even there it takes so long to get them out of the firehose that it's not terribly useful.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Sunday July 26 2015, @04:05PM

      by Phoenix666 (552) on Sunday July 26 2015, @04:05PM (#213886) Journal

      We have a pretty good crowd so far. Many of us even paid to support it. Yea, there are trolls and assholes but a. that can't be filtered and b. is something that is unavoidable. Who's to say that troll posts cant come from some of our more esteemed members?

      I like the community too, so far. There's no reason its trajectory can't continue in the way Slashdot's ought to have, especially since it cannot be sold to an evil corporation (tm). There will always be trolls, there will be troll posts coming from our very own fingertips because all of us have sacred cows or under-caffeinated mornings or moments of unusual crankiness. For me the most demotivating are that subspecies of trolls, the concern trolls. You know them, the ones who whine and whine about how everything sucks and how no one will like us and we ought to treat group X like special snowflakes so their feelings won't be hurt and waaa waaa waaa, yet they themselves never lift a finger to help or make things better.

      But then you lurk at the eBBQ and watch NCommander's little blue territories (Venetians?) get pushed into the Adriatic while lamenting, "What happened to my Albanian army?!" (to me that sounds like asking, "Why are the French retreating?" ;-) and the other Soylentils are urging him to hire mercenaries; you exchange emails with editors who are trying to troubleshoot system issues you're seeing; and you read a post by HairyFeet or VLM or frojack or someone else that makes you stop and think about your certainties in a way you never had before; and you know that this is a place that's worth building.

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      Washington DC delenda est.
      • (Score: 2) by Francis on Sunday July 26 2015, @06:49PM

        by Francis (5544) on Sunday July 26 2015, @06:49PM (#213939)

        The fact that we actually have a "-1 I disagree" mod option is a much needed improvement over the /. system. I don't think anybody really thinks that all those -1 posts over there are just because somebody is wrong and spouting useless BS. I've watched at times as people waste 10 or more points using the mod system to argue with each other.

        Getting a -1 because the person with points disagrees isn't great, but at least there is some honesty about why the mod was made rather than a contrivance.

        What killed /. more than anything was when politics moved in on basically every topic and people stopped even reading the summaries or other posts.

        • (Score: 2) by Yog-Yogguth on Sunday July 26 2015, @09:50PM

          by Yog-Yogguth (1862) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 26 2015, @09:50PM (#213992) Journal

          It's even better than that: the Disagree mod is -0 unless I've missed a change :) and Funny is +1 as it ought to be IMHO.

          I think a lot of people here realize that everybody else are perfectly able to write both things one agrees a lot with or finds interesting or insightful or funny as well as not, and that calms things down for the most part. If anything I think SoylentNews is improving and moderation to +3 and +4 is becoming more common.

          Quite a lot has happened during the last years giving everybody a lot to think about. I have no idea what's going on over at /. any longer but if (only if) it's the “same old same old” re:politics in the comments then that's just completely weird in my opinion.

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          • (Score: 2) by Francis on Monday July 27 2015, @09:56PM

            by Francis (5544) on Monday July 27 2015, @09:56PM (#214566)

            Unlike /. you can change the values for the various mods. So a disagree defaults to 0, but sometimes it's -1 if somebody has changed the value. Unless I'm misunderstanding, I just started getting mod points recently.

      • (Score: 2) by zafiro17 on Sunday July 26 2015, @08:40PM

        by zafiro17 (234) on Sunday July 26 2015, @08:40PM (#213967) Homepage

        I've been here since nearly the beginning, and frankly I find the quality of articles to be improving on a daily basis. There's some really interesting stuff here, whereas at the beginning there was a higher degree of articles that didn't interest me at all. The quality of the writing in the submitted blurbs is better too.

        Slashdot still has some interesting articles, but they're easily reposted elsewhere for discussion, and the quality of the comments on that site is atrocious. I used to read Slashdot exclusively for the interesting and useful info in the comments. There is precious little of that now. Kuro5hin, by the way, is like an empty alleyway with poo-covered newspapers blowing around in the wind. It's been a wasteland since I first visited it out of curiosity ten years ago. Thought for sure the owner had died and no one had the password to post there. Nuke it and put it out of its obvious agonizing misery!

        Soylent for the win!

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        Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why several of us died of tuberculosis - Jack Handey
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2015, @11:58PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2015, @11:58PM (#214021)

    As long as the editors here put in good work, and don't pull blatant trolling/clickbaiting like slashdot's, this site will continue to be a quality forum.