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posted by janrinok on Sunday August 09 2015, @03:17PM   Printer-friendly
from the sauce-for-the-goose dept.

Police who raided a marijuana store, destroying security cameras and the DVR, harassing the store's customers, consuming edible marijuana products, and playing darts, were caught on camera. The cops claim that said recording is illegal because the cops had an expectation of privacy after destroying all of the security cameras.

I wish I could make up this stuff.


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  • (Score: 4, Touché) by HiThere on Sunday August 09 2015, @07:40PM

    by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Sunday August 09 2015, @07:40PM (#220362) Journal

    On what grounds do you declare the problem to be "relatively rare"?

    It may, indeed, *be* relatively rare, but the statistics aren't being honestly collected by an unbiased party.

    That said, I also feel that if a person chooses to act in ways that shorten their life, that's their choice. But if they act in ways that shorten or diminish someone else's life...that's likely to be a criminal matter. This attitude comes with lots of difficult edge cases, but that doesn't change the core. And, no, you can't claim that because their friends are inherently affected by whatever they do that's grounds for overriding this. (Family is a more difficult case...but it should be their choice.)

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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by FakeBeldin on Sunday August 09 2015, @10:14PM

    by FakeBeldin (3360) on Sunday August 09 2015, @10:14PM (#220435) Journal

    the statistics aren't being honestly collected by an unbiased party.

    Maybe their sources are wrong, but the Guardian is trying to just make the data available:
    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database [theguardian.com].

    Currently: 340 white people killed by police, 179 black people, 101 hispanic/latino.
    This apparently translates into:
    - 1.72 in 1 million white folks is killed by police
    - 4.28 in 1 million black folks is killed by police
    - 1.87 in 1 million hispanic/latino folks is killed by police

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Yog-Yogguth on Monday August 10 2015, @04:32AM

      by Yog-Yogguth (1862) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 10 2015, @04:32AM (#220549) Journal

      To me this (the following) is kind of both shocking and dismayingly “normal” i.e. utterly fucked up in lots of different ways. I'm not letting the Guardian run scripts on my computer so I can't check anything there but their percentages look weird. Or maybe it's the use of percentages that makes it look weird when almost twice as many whites are being killed? White lives don't matter? Is the Guardian flaunting their racist oikophobic tendencies?

      Be that as it may (it's a huge subject) maybe it's time for everybody else to also (additionally) focus on those 340 white people and 101 hispanic people? Stop focusing on race/color/whatever you want to call it and start focusing on criminals hiding behind a(ny) badge?

      A white guy holding sunglasses should not be shot and/or killed just like a black guy buying a toy gun in a shop should not be shot and/or killed. Young kids of any color should not be killed. The message ought to be “All lives matter”.

      P.s. any “PC leftists” (there are plenty at the Guardian) ought to be embarassed that it takes a “far right” person like me to point that out. They ought to have done that themselves and saved themselves the shame.

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      • (Score: 2) by FakeBeldin on Monday August 10 2015, @08:36AM

        by FakeBeldin (3360) on Monday August 10 2015, @08:36AM (#220588) Journal

        1. You are right, we should also worry about other folk being shot by the police.
        2. The percentages make sense if there are somewhere around 5 times as many white folks as black folk in the country.

        E.g.: If there would be 200 black people and 1000 white people, then (with the above numbers) 90% of black folk would have been shot, while only 34% of white folk.

        I couldn't find a clear statement on the distribution of race /ethnicity on the Guardian's site. From Wikipedia:
        "White Americans are the racial majority, with a 77.7% share of the U.S. population. African Americans are the largest racial minority, amounting to 13.2% of the population. Hispanic and Latino Americans amount to 17.1% of the population, making up the largest ethnic minority."

        So that bears out point 2: around 5 times as many white folk as black folk.

        • (Score: 2) by Yog-Yogguth on Monday August 10 2015, @10:29PM

          by Yog-Yogguth (1862) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 10 2015, @10:29PM (#220946) Journal

          Yes except percentages don't make sense the way they're used where a lower percentage is somehow “better” even when it means is that more people in a group are killed. It's a pretty good example of how to lie despite using the correct numbers. Yet another cognitive version of cooking the books.

          You and me and everyone are not ((1/number of people in whatever group attributed)*100), we're all ((1/1)*100) while alive and ((0/1)*100) when dead :|

          Whites are less likely to “interact” with cops, less likely to be pulled over, less likely to be searched, less likely to be harassed, and even less likely (that's a percentage after all) to be killed. Or so the usual MSM & “special interests” portrayal goes but even so more whites end up dead. There's something wrong with that so why is such a flawed angle being pushed and is it to lull non-blacks into apathy about the number of people killed, the randomness, the brutality, and the frequency, as has been successfully done before? That is how we got here. (And I'm not saying all of the MSM etc. are like the Guardian where plenty or all of the white people working there would be completly horrified if any white did anything against perceived oppression of whites, so there's more than that going on).

          The MSM for whatever reasons is perpetuating the problems through social control/damage control and not as actual news or information, people need to call them out on it and not fall for it.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 10 2015, @12:33PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 10 2015, @12:33PM (#220647)

      Or in other words, according to that data, black people are 2.5 times as likely to be killed by police than those who are white or hispanic/latino.