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posted by CoolHand on Monday August 10 2015, @04:22PM   Printer-friendly
from the nothing-funny-about-it dept.

From Yahoo News:

A man was gravely wounded in a gun battle with police in Ferguson, Missouri on Sunday night after a day of peaceful rallies to mark the fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager by a white officer one year ago. Several volleys of gunshots rang out as police in riot gear tried to disperse demonstrators blocking traffic and smashing storefront windows along a street that was a flashpoint of last year's unrest in the St. Louis suburb after Michael Brown, 18, was slain. Police later said the gunfire began with two groups of agitators apparently shooting at each other.

http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-protests-mostly-peaceful-anniversary-brown-shooting-015555407.html

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Anniversary commemorations had begun hours earlier with a peaceful march through the St. Louis suburb. The scene changed dramatically after dark. Dozens of protesters converged on West Florissant Avenue, which bore the brunt of last summer's rioting, and chanted: "Shut it down" in the midst of a severe thunderstorm.


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  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Jeremiah Cornelius on Monday August 10 2015, @07:12PM

    by Jeremiah Cornelius (2785) on Monday August 10 2015, @07:12PM (#220832) Journal

    You are so full of shit. Selection bias, and faulty methodology - not to mention exclusion of socioeconomic skewing.

    You know who's company you keep with this bullshit? Stormfront. And Bill Cosby.

    So if you want to engage in intellectual fallacy, there's a couple of association indications.

    Fucking racist dirtbag.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 10 2015, @07:34PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 10 2015, @07:34PM (#220848)

    Hi. You seem very passionate about this issue. As a passionate person, you should desire strongly that your passion and efforts are not wasted. You should want to be effective in your advocacy.

    With me so far? Great.

    Ok. A thing that you should be aware of: the accusation of racism is used so casually now, and the prevailing narrative around what is and isn't racism has been so perverted by the academic left, that at this point, none of the people that you need to reach out to and convince actually care about that word or accusations of same.

    I don't care if you tell me I am a racist. It just doesn't matter to me any more. In fact, from your short response, I haven't really learned anything about the OP; instead, I've learned something about you.

    In order to actually move the needle in this world, with the people you probably need to reach, you will have to do better than being furious and tossing out accusations of racism and attempting character assassinations via proxy or association.

    You'll have to actually engage them on their points.

    I mean, you don't _have_ to do anything.

    But if you want to be effective, you'll have to try something else.

    Finally, many people -- especially the American left -- suppose that all of their political opposition will simply die off. You may suppose that racism will die off eventually, and you can just berate people instead of engaging with them until they all finally die off.

    I'm not so optimistic. Each time you write that someone gets their ideas from Stormfront, someone new goes and looks at Stormfront. Like many Americans, I was raised to hate racism and desire a racially plural society. I was raised to despise racists. Official society did a good job of reinforcing this. For me, reality didn't match the prevailing mythology.

    The prevailing narrative today, in its desire to bring about a racially harmonious society, suppresses honest discussion of race and race issues. And so when you point people at Stormfront, some people go there, and they see a refreshing world of ideas and opinions they haven't seen written down before or discussed openly. And some of what they see, even if superficially, matches their own observations, and takes them further than is perhaps warranted.

    The Manifesto of Dylan Roof suggests to me that this was roughly his own personal journey - raised on the myth, frustrated when he saw it crumble, and received into a world of forbidden ideas at places like Stormfront.

    Shouting "fucking racist" at people you don't like, over race issues you wished didn't have a shred of merit, creates more Dylan Roofs.

    So, if you want to be effective, you need to change your approach.

    Best of luck.