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posted by martyb on Friday August 21 2015, @05:17AM   Printer-friendly
from the lucy-in-the-sky dept.

Finding a technology to shift carbon dioxide (CO2), the most abundant anthropogenic greenhouse gas, from a climate change problem to a valuable commodity has long been a dream of many scientists and government officials. Now, a team of chemists says they have developed a technology to economically convert atmospheric CO2 directly into highly valued carbon nanofibers for industrial and consumer products.
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Because of its efficiency, this low-energy process can be run using only a few volts of electricity, sunlight and a whole lot of carbon dioxide. At its root, the system uses electrolytic syntheses to make the nanofibers. CO2 is broken down in a high-temperature electrolytic bath of molten carbonates at 1,380 degrees F (750 degrees C). Atmospheric air is added to an electrolytic cell. Once there, the CO2 dissolves when subjected to the heat and direct current through electrodes of nickel and steel. The carbon nanofibers build up on the steel electrode, where they can be removed, Licht says.

To power the syntheses, heat and electricity are produced through a hybrid and extremely efficient concentrating solar-energy system. The system focuses the sun's rays on a photovoltaic solar cell to generate electricity and on a second system to generate heat and thermal energy, which raises the temperature of the electrolytic cell.

If it bears out, this is an incredibly important result, as it solves a number of challenges like atmospheric carbon and the demand for carbon nanotubes at once.


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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by PinkyGigglebrain on Friday August 21 2015, @06:29AM

    by PinkyGigglebrain (4458) on Friday August 21 2015, @06:29AM (#225727)

    how many gigatons of carbon nanotubes would this process, scaled up to industrial level of course, be able to output in one year?

    I mean we only dump 9.9 billion metric tons of CO2 into the atmosphere per year so it would only have to match that to flat line the current increase in CO2. Everything over that would actually be a reduction.

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  • (Score: 2) by zocalo on Friday August 21 2015, @06:40AM

    by zocalo (302) on Friday August 21 2015, @06:40AM (#225730)
    I think the main benefit here is the relatively clean production of an in-demand product - carbon nanotubes - with any side-benefits to help lower the overall amount of CO2 being pumped into the atmosphere being just a fortuitous bonus with some positive PR attached. Unless they work as advertised, have a *really* high throughput, and we build an awful lot of plants then the chances of this alone reducing the CO2 footprint in any measureable way is very low. In combination with the various other measures in operation of being proposed though then perhaps people in industrial nationals might actually have a better chance of breathing relatively clean air again.
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    • (Score: 2) by PinkyGigglebrain on Friday August 21 2015, @08:54AM

      by PinkyGigglebrain (4458) on Friday August 21 2015, @08:54AM (#225759)

      Your probably right. I was just being a little snarky because the summary/article made it sound like the tech was being touted as a solution to the atmospheric CO2 issue and I hadn't RTFAd at the time I wrote that. Only the first paragraph, that the summary cut/pasted, talks about it in the AGW context. The rest of the article is an interesting read.

      On a side note; I've heard that carbon nanotubes are currently considered the best chance at being usable to build a space elevator. I wonder if this process might, with its high volume/low cost production might someday further that project along.

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  • (Score: 2) by jimshatt on Friday August 21 2015, @06:52AM

    by jimshatt (978) on Friday August 21 2015, @06:52AM (#225731) Journal
    To be pedantic. A ton of CO2 doesn't equal a ton of carbon. Googling around a bit, it seems a ton of carbon equals 3.67 tons of CO2, so they only need to produce about 2.7 tons of carbon nanotubes :)
    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 21 2015, @08:13AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 21 2015, @08:13AM (#225751)

      Googling around? Basic school knowledge should be enough to make a good estimate.

      The most common isotope of carbon has atomic weight 12, the most common oxygen isotope has atomic weight 16. Since only the relation is important, let's cancel the common factor to make more manageable numbers. So carbon is 3 mass units, oxygen 4.

      CO2 has 1 part carbon, 2 parts oxygen. That's 3+2×4 = 11 mass units. In other words, 3 mass units of carbon correspond to 11 mass units of CO2.

      Rounded to 3 significant digits, 11/3 = 2.67, therefore 1 ton of carbon gives 2.67 tons of CO2

      Given that this is exactly the number you quoted, I suspect you didn't really find the actual correspondence (which would have to account for isotope distributions), but also got to an estimate based on the most common isotopes. Since you didn't give your source, I can't check, of course.

      • (Score: 4, Touché) by jimshatt on Friday August 21 2015, @08:24AM

        by jimshatt (978) on Friday August 21 2015, @08:24AM (#225755) Journal
        Basic school knowledge is that when you're not entirely sure how to calculate something, it's better to search the web than to come up with some half-assed solution. I could have done the same calculations, but I didn't know if there were factors it didn't account for, so I googled. I'm sorry if that offended you :)
        BTW, this was my source: http://grist.org/article/the-biggest-source-of-mistakes-carbon-vs-carbon-dioxide/ [grist.org]
        • (Score: 2) by PinkyGigglebrain on Friday August 21 2015, @09:02PM

          by PinkyGigglebrain (4458) on Friday August 21 2015, @09:02PM (#226024)

          No offense taken. :)

          My initial reaction to your post was actually along the lines of "Crap! They're right! Argh! how did I miss that?"

          I am quite sincere in my thanks.

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    • (Score: 2) by PinkyGigglebrain on Friday August 21 2015, @08:42AM

      by PinkyGigglebrain (4458) on Friday August 21 2015, @08:42AM (#225756)

      Very true, I forgot to take into account that the carbon, with only an atomic weight of 12.01 against oxygen's 16.00 (x2), in CO2 is only ~27% of the total molecular weight.

      Thank you for pointing that out. I'll try and be more careful next time :)

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  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday August 21 2015, @02:42PM

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Friday August 21 2015, @02:42PM (#225870) Journal

    Given the many fantastic properties of carbon nanotubes and the many, many applications of the material, it's not too hard to see demand for it scaling to a level where it could put a dent in atmospheric carbon. Think of all the cotton fields alone that we wouldn't have to have anymore if we could weave textiles out of the stuff. We could largely elide steel, with all the mining effort that takes.

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