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posted by CoolHand on Saturday August 22 2015, @05:47AM   Printer-friendly
from the who-is-this-company-named-mozilla dept.

To the surprise of absolutely nobody who's been paying attention the past few years, Mozilla has announced that it will be deprecating all current extensions and have all future extensions be compatible with Chrome and Opera via the new WebExtensions API.

  • We are implementing a new extension API, called WebExtensions—largely compatible with the model used by Chrome and Opera—to make it easier to develop extensions across multiple browsers.
  • A safer, faster, multi-process version of Firefox is coming soon with Electrolysis; we need developers to ensure their Firefox add-ons will be compatible with it.
  • To ensure third-party extensions provide customization without sacrificing security, performance or exposing users to malware, we will require all extensions to be validated and signed by Mozilla starting in Firefox 41, which will be released on September 22nd 2015.
  • We have decided on an approximate timeline for the deprecation of XPCOM- and XUL-based add-ons.

Maybe now we can get a sustainable fork going?


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by frojack on Saturday August 22 2015, @06:19AM

    by frojack (1554) on Saturday August 22 2015, @06:19AM (#226167) Journal

    Realistically, I think firefox has less and less to offer. Its principal claim to fame sees to be "Its not Chrome".
    Is that engine really worth the effort of a fork?

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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by basstard on Saturday August 22 2015, @07:01AM

    by basstard (5595) on Saturday August 22 2015, @07:01AM (#226174)
    I am using Pale Moon because of all those years that I've used FF. Perhaps the main reason for me is this. Same browser profiles since years ago with tons of cookie settings for various sites, it'd be annoying to click through "Allow for session" or "Deny" for all those sites again. Surely there are better ways to do this, but this is what I'm used to. Second reason being RequestPolicy not being available for any other alternative browser that I could consider using. If it is, please enlighten me by all means!
    • (Score: 2) by Nerdfest on Saturday August 22 2015, @02:20PM

      by Nerdfest (80) on Saturday August 22 2015, @02:20PM (#226260)

      Try uMatrix for Chrome (and I think they actually have a FireFox version as well). Pretty similar, and more usable if I remember RequestPolicy correctly. You can also configure it via text based rules, block malware domains via imported hosts files, and a few other things.

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by drgibbon on Saturday August 22 2015, @03:28PM

      by drgibbon (74) on Saturday August 22 2015, @03:28PM (#226277) Journal

      I've found Policeman [mozilla.org] to be an improvement over RequestPolicy, and Self-Destructing Cookies [mozilla.org] is a whitelist cookie policy system. By default cookies are accepted but deleted after you close the tab (with a 10 second delay), but they can also be kept for the entire session (even if the site's tab closes), or set to be kept across sessions as they would normally be. Very handy.

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      • (Score: 2) by basstard on Saturday August 22 2015, @04:37PM

        by basstard (5595) on Saturday August 22 2015, @04:37PM (#226300)
        Self-Destructing Cookies seems very handy, as you say! Cheers!
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 22 2015, @10:02PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 22 2015, @10:02PM (#226409)

      your searches? I've heard a lot of on-line masturbatory support for Pale Moon, but right there on their site, maybe the privacy policy or somewhere else, IIRC he states he profits somehow by your use of the browser.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 27 2015, @07:50AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 27 2015, @07:50AM (#228513)

        What does it do, specifically?

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by andersjm on Saturday August 22 2015, @09:32AM

    by andersjm (3931) on Saturday August 22 2015, @09:32AM (#226207)

    It's not google spyware, there's a plethora is extensions, and it's cross-platform.

    What other browser would you suggest that offers as much?

    • (Score: 1, Disagree) by andersjm on Saturday August 22 2015, @09:34AM

      by andersjm (3931) on Saturday August 22 2015, @09:34AM (#226208)
      "plethora of extensions" (sigh, I did use Preview, really!)
    • (Score: 3, Informative) by frojack on Saturday August 22 2015, @09:46PM

      by frojack (1554) on Saturday August 22 2015, @09:46PM (#226403) Journal

      It's not google spyware, there's a plethora is extensions, and it's cross-platform.

      Epic Browser
      SRWare Iron Browser
      Opera

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      • (Score: 1) by andersjm on Sunday August 23 2015, @07:58AM

        by andersjm (3931) on Sunday August 23 2015, @07:58AM (#226600)

        Thank you for answering my question! Everyone else must have thought it was just rhetorical.

        I'm not switching because as far as I'm concerned, Firefox is working just fine. Anything I don't like I can switch off, I really appreciate that they're working to improve security for extensions, and I honestly don't care if the tabs are over or under the toolbars. But it's nice to know there are alternatives.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Hairyfeet on Saturday August 22 2015, @09:57AM

    by Hairyfeet (75) <bassbeast1968NO@SPAMgmail.com> on Saturday August 22 2015, @09:57AM (#226211) Journal

    Actually I would argue it doesn't even have the "its not Chrome" as it is ripping off the look of Chrome. A more apropos description would be "a more unsafe Chrome ripoff" as unlike Chrome (and all browsers based on Chromium) Firefox runs in the same permissions as the user instead of using Low Rights Mode which is just fucking DUMB.

    But I would say we already have a sustainable fork, its called Pale Moon [palemoon.org]. I give it to my customers as a backup to Comodo Dragon as well as use it myself for those few sites I find that don't play well with Dragon and its...really nice actually, reminds of the old FF before they became an ersatz Chrome. they have already forked away, will NOT support the new UI and even have their own browser string so I'd say all that is left is to spread the word and pick up all those jumping off the USS Moz which appears to be sinking fast.

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    • (Score: 5, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday August 22 2015, @10:06AM

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday August 22 2015, @10:06AM (#226214) Homepage Journal

      Last I checked, and granted it's been a few months, PaleMoon had one developer. One. That's not cool if you value things like timely responses to critical bugs and knowing your dev team would survive the loss of one member.

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      • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 22 2015, @10:12PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 22 2015, @10:12PM (#226416)

        Then you actually cannot distinguish "lead developer" from "sole developer". Your ability to read and understand written text need alot of improving.

      • (Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Sunday August 23 2015, @05:54AM

        by Hairyfeet (75) <bassbeast1968NO@SPAMgmail.com> on Sunday August 23 2015, @05:54AM (#226567) Journal

        Uhhh...you DO know he is just the head of the project and NOT the only dev on the project...yes? If you go to their forums you'll see they have close to a dozen guys and since they have forked away and are NOT gonna be adding dumb shit like Moz? A dozen devs should be plenty.

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  • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Sunday August 23 2015, @10:13AM

    by jmorris (4844) on Sunday August 23 2015, @10:13AM (#226632)

    Having a browser that isn't controlled by Google or Microsoft is valuable.

    Firefox obviously is no longer that browser. It has decided to simply chase Google's taillights and that never works. It shows one of two things have happened by Moz.

    1. They have a serious case of brain drain. This means they are now too stupid to know this won't end well. RUN AWAY!

    2. They have been subverted and are on a course to drive all of their users to Chrome and just go away. RUN AWAY!

    Seriously. Who would want a browser that looks to end users like Chrome but only runs a subset of Chrome apps and extensions, spent years attracting extension and app developers and then simply abandoned them with only a few months notice, etc. If you set out to destroy Firefox market and mindshare while ensuring the userbase ends up on Chrome you couldn't have designed a better plan.

    Thankfully it is open source. FORK! The code has already been in the care of Netscape, AOL and Moz Corp, why not another?