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posted by cmn32480 on Saturday August 22 2015, @12:52PM   Printer-friendly
from the how-many-jobs-do-we-need-to-lose dept.

I came across the following ad on Indeed.com for a software position (copied directly from the ad, including errors):

Please read this job description carefully.
We are looking for solid C/C++ Engineer with valid h1b visa who are currently in US and willing to transfer his visa to our company for long term employment.

No 3rd party.

Strong mathematical and analytical skills, in linear algebra, discrete mathematics and statistics. Have a strong knowledge of methods of dynamic programming.
Strong knowledge of parallel computing theory and tools like MPI or OpenMP.
In-depth knowledge of C/C++ language, strong knowledge of standard library and boost library and have a strong knowledge of template meta programming.
Have a solid experience with cross-compilation using gnu tools.
Development experience with Linux Red Hat, embedded Linux, Windows 7 using gnu tools like make, gcc, g++. Have experience with cross platform development and testing using Cmake.
Have a prove experience working with source control system Git, Cvs.
Have a strong knowledge of HPC and cluster's architecture.
Have a strong knowledge of scripting language like bash and python.
Strong object-oriented programming and design skills, like design patterns

Salary: $85,000.00 /year

Required experience:

C/C++ experience ,Windows/Unix development: 8 years
Required education:

Master's

Is it legal to limit a search to only H1B applicants? Do people see this often? Is it reasonable to expect a US applicant would be difficult to find? Or is it just no one would expect a US applicant to work for the mentioned salary in the Metro Boston area?


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  • (Score: 2, Disagree) by isostatic on Saturday August 22 2015, @01:00PM

    by isostatic (365) on Saturday August 22 2015, @01:00PM (#226236) Journal

    No story here.

    I thought H1Bs were "bady paid" and kept wages down. USA median household income was $51,939 in 2013, so $85k is pretty good.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Kilo110 on Saturday August 22 2015, @01:10PM

    by Kilo110 (2853) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 22 2015, @01:10PM (#226237)

    85k is certainly over the median of 52k, but that's irrelevant. What matters is how 85k compares to other similar job postings in that geographic area.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by BK on Saturday August 22 2015, @01:17PM

      by BK (4868) on Saturday August 22 2015, @01:17PM (#226239)

      Masters in (presumably) CS with 8 years of relevant experience. Sounds about right for Pierre, SD.

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    • (Score: 2) by looorg on Saturday August 22 2015, @01:30PM

      by looorg (578) on Saturday August 22 2015, @01:30PM (#226245)

      That said looking at the requirements, or as I like to call it the HR departments unrealistic x-mas wishlist, the applicant should have almost a decade of experience in software development and a masters degree with an emphasis on mathematics etc. I'm not certain that 85k is really that great a pay, but as you note it largely depends on the geographical location.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 22 2015, @05:57PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 22 2015, @05:57PM (#226320)

      85K for 8 years experience and a Master's degree? LMAO!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 22 2015, @10:57PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 22 2015, @10:57PM (#226424)

        I live in a town where a Bachelor of Science will net you the national minimum wage, often less when overtime is taken into account, but not having one will pay you more.

        Even shelf-stacking supermarket staff earn more than those with a BS.

  • (Score: 2, Disagree) by ikanreed on Saturday August 22 2015, @01:16PM

    by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 22 2015, @01:16PM (#226238) Journal

    Well, they do keep wages down in their field. How much? We don't know.

    But the net effect on average productivity in the country is positive. Things can have a collective cost to one group(US born tech workers) and still fundamentally be a net positive once everyone is considered.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Nerdfest on Saturday August 22 2015, @02:08PM

      by Nerdfest (80) on Saturday August 22 2015, @02:08PM (#226255)

      ... for some very unusual definitions of 'everyone'.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by srobert on Saturday August 22 2015, @02:16PM

      by srobert (4803) on Saturday August 22 2015, @02:16PM (#226259)

      Yes, things can have a collective cost to one group and still be a net positive. But the notion that driving down wages either increases average productivity, or is a net positive worldwide, is highly dubious.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Saturday August 22 2015, @04:11PM

    by Grishnakh (2831) on Saturday August 22 2015, @04:11PM (#226291)

    No, $85K is downright insulting for an experienced engineer almost anywhere, and in the Boston area, it's nearly poverty-level. Boston is one of the most expensive parts of the US to live in, probably just under Manhattan NYC.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Francis on Saturday August 22 2015, @05:24PM

    by Francis (5544) on Saturday August 22 2015, @05:24PM (#226312)

    They are badly paid and there to keep the wages down. What you don't see in those sorts of postings is all the extra crap you have to put up with because of your residency status. AFAIK, the H-1B program doesn't require raises and doesn't require that the employer be willing to negotiate over salary in the future.

    $85k, might be good, but if they're having to work extra hours or significantly harder with less protection, it still sucks.

    I've been in the equivalent position before. And it just blows. I spent a total of 16 months working as a foreign expert in China and you have no job security, you get treated like crap and there's always somebody else available to fill in if they decide they don't like your hairstyle or the way you stand.

    • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday August 24 2015, @04:18PM

      by bob_super (1357) on Monday August 24 2015, @04:18PM (#227087)

      I've worked with lots of H1Bs who were pretty happy with their pay, if sometimes annoyed of being at the mercy of the company (known some forced to leave the country because of bad management).

      A few days ago, i saw a mandatory information posting for H1B in a company's break room: two mid-level H1B coders making $130k. Not everybody abuses the system

      ...

      Do you know what an H1B gets you? Someone who's typically gonna work harder (not always longer) than the majority of smartphone-toting entitled us-born pricks who now come out of college. It oddly seems that crossing oceans motivates people to prove they're worth it.

      • (Score: 1) by Francis on Monday August 24 2015, @04:34PM

        by Francis (5544) on Monday August 24 2015, @04:34PM (#227094)

        Of course not everybody does, but by the same token, there's enough that are abusing it and it's getting enough attention that it causes problems. I gave up on getting work in any of those fields because the entry requirements were absolutely ridiculous. Most of the postings I saw were ones that nobody could apply for. The people who could apply for it would never be willing to settle for a low-paying help desk job if they've got that many years of relevant experience.

        The whole program itself makes things worse as it reduces the incentive to write job descriptions that are in line with reality and be willing to actually invest in employee development.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 22 2015, @05:53PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 22 2015, @05:53PM (#226317)

    I make 75k as a support tech in this same city, it's teeming with people. They are targeting an H1B, because the company is an H1B factory, which advertises as such. This salary is abysmally low for the area with the experience required. Around here He should be making roughly 100~125k/yr with stock options generally. If this is downtown Boston, that needs to go up even more. Then add in linux development on top of Windows development...this isn't some guy out of school, where around here you'd make 65k/yr to start. The salary is for someone with about half that experience.

    http://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa-Sponsor/Insycom/265869.htm [myvisajobs.com]