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posted by takyon on Monday August 24 2015, @11:15PM   Printer-friendly
from the ballot-selfie-stick-ban dept.

A federal judge recently ruled that banning photos of ballots was unconstitutional:

The ruling clears the way for New Hampshire voters to post their ballot selfies during the first-in-the-nation presidential primaries early next year.

New Hampshire's ban went into effect September 2014 and made it illegal for anyone to post a photo of a marked ballot and share it on social media. The violation was punishable by a fine of up to $1,000.

[...] Mashable's Juana Summers adds that the judge found "there was no evidence that vote-buying or voter coercion were current problems in New Hampshire."

This seems like an interesting legal question, with good arguments on both sides:
- For the ban: If a photograph of a marked ballot is taken from the voting booth, then the voter can verify their vote with an interested third party, including those that would seek to purchase or coerce their vote.
- Against the ban: Such a photograph is protected free speech, and thus cannot be legally banned.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by TrumpetPower! on Tuesday August 25 2015, @04:30AM

    by TrumpetPower! (590) <ben@trumpetpower.com> on Tuesday August 25 2015, @04:30AM (#227401) Homepage

    Erm...you do realize that America's economy lags significantly behind, for example, Germany's, where 40-hour work weeks are excessive and a mere two weeks of vacation is incomprehensible? Their worker productivity puts ours to shame.

    The Protestant work ethic has killed the spirit of the American worker, and the Prosperity Gospel is turning American workers into their own slavemasters. We'll only have a chance of surviving when people get fed up with this bullshit about 50-, 60-, 80-hour weeks with multiple jobs and no overtime and no vacation and no sick leave and still get fired on the slightest whim. It's exactly this insanity that led us to the breaking point and the uprisings of the Labor Movement a century or so ago...and it won't be that long before it explodes in everybody's faces again.

    I just hope that, this time, the lessons finally stick....

    b&

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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 25 2015, @06:06AM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 25 2015, @06:06AM (#227419) Journal

    Erm...you do realize that America's economy lags significantly behind, for example, Germany's

    The US still has a much higher GDP per capita and lower cost of living. And we'll see what happens to Germany in the future, especially given its energy policy (doubling of electricity prices and the ending of its nuclear plants program) and exposure to the EU's economic and regulatory mess.

    The Protestant work ethic has killed the spirit of the American worker

    Just like it killed the spirit of the German worker who created that work ethic?

    We'll only have a chance of surviving when people get fed up with this bullshit about 50-, 60-, 80-hour weeks with multiple jobs and no overtime and no vacation and no sick leave and still get fired on the slightest whim.

    Who here really thinks the problem is that people overly love 80-hour work weeks, multiple jobs, and getting fired on a whim? Or that they need to learn those things are bad in whatever sense you think is bad? Or that mandating 40 hour work weeks before overtime somehow is an educational event?

    I think the problem here is that your thinking is fucked up. Fix plz.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 25 2015, @08:21AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 25 2015, @08:21AM (#227471)

      > I think the problem here is that your thinking is fucked up. Fix plz.

      Mirrors. You need one.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 25 2015, @11:27AM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 25 2015, @11:27AM (#227523) Journal
        Let's look over this thread. You asserted that the German economy was better than the US one. I note that the US economy is considerably wealthier using the metric of GDP (which incidentally would be a really common rebuttal). You complain that the "Protestant work ethic" was a problem. I merely noted that the work ethic belief originated in Germany where Protestantism was born and Germany got where it is today due to those hard working Germans and their work ethic.

        Then you blather on about how people are dumb enough that they would rather work "50-, 60-, 80-hour weeks with multiple jobs and no overtime and no vacation and no sick leave and still get fired on the slightest whim". Do you really believe that people would even slightly want to do that? I don't buy it. And given that the discussion was originally about the 40 hour work week, what does that have to do with people learning that lots of work can be no fun?

        Some of my rebuttals are obvious and some are just pointing out that a portion of your original arguments made no sense. Yet I should look in the mirror why? I'm not the one arguing that people need to learn that working 80 hours a week is bad.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 25 2015, @06:20PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 25 2015, @06:20PM (#227716)

          Here is your problem. I recognize that it will fall on 100% deaf ears, but I am drunk so I will write it anyway.

          Your focus on libertarian theories is incredibly narrow. You are blinded to the realities of the world by your focus on your simplistic theory of human nature. Maybe in a perfect theoretical world with no transactional friction your theories would constitute an accurate model of human behaviour, but the real world is chaotic and human motivations and interactions are 1000x more complicated than your trivializations.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 25 2015, @07:43PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 25 2015, @07:43PM (#227756) Journal
            At least, I don't get basic facts wrong such as insisting that Germany is doing better than the US or that the Protestant work ethic is responsible for the US's current employment issues rather than the nasty combination of cheap foreign labor competition and short sighted employment regulation which makes the basic problem worse.

            Further, I note in these sorts of discussions, an appeal to complexity is usually just a brazen fallacy to support what the poster wants to do, no matter the facts. If you have a better model, then feel free to share it. If you're just going to observe that full human interaction is complex, I have no use for it. That doesn't tell me whether someone is going to make a new, successful soft drink company or pull over a vending machine while trying to get that free Pepsi. We don't have to understand the full complexity in order to observe and discuss outcomes.
      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 25 2015, @01:28PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 25 2015, @01:28PM (#227574) Journal
        Oops. I see you're probably not the same person I was complaining about earlier.