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Mozilla CEO Chris Beard has threatened to fire an anonymous person complaining about "social justice bullies" at Mozilla on Reddit, should the person be discovered to be an employee.
Chris Beard stated that the Reddit user aoiyama's complaints "crossed the line" in a series of posts about the women in the company, including recently departed community organizer Christie Koehler. In a series of tweets earlier this month, Koehler complained about Mozilla's lack of diversity in the workplace and its failure to address accessibility issues.
The Reddit user's comments:
"Frankly everyone was glad to see the back of Christie Koehler. She was batshit insane and permanently offended at everything," the user wrote. "When she and the rest of her blue-haired nose-pierced asshole feminists are gone, the tech industry will breathe a sigh of relief." It was that remark that appeared to trigger Beard's warning today. "When I talk about crossing the line from criticism to hate speech, I'm talking about when you start saying 'someone's kind doesn't belong here, and we'll all be happy when they're gone.'"
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 25 2015, @08:19AM
Would anyone care if a company fired someone for publicly calling their manager a batshit insane asshole?
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think plenty of people wouldn't raise an eyebrow at such a firing. Given that baseline, what is it that makes this story newsworthy?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by M. Baranczak on Tuesday August 25 2015, @12:41PM
what is it that makes this story newsworthy?
It wins at the Right-Wing Buzzword Bingo. ("Social justice", "feminist", "diversity", "hate speech", maybe a couple more that I missed.) Apparently, that's all it takes nowadays.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by K_benzoate on Tuesday August 25 2015, @05:14PM
Give up this false narrative that everyone hating moral authoritarians must be "right wing". Plenty of us on the left are sick of these people, too.
Climate change is real and primarily caused by human activity.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 25 2015, @09:02PM
Give up this false narrative that everyone hating moral authoritarians must be "right wing". Plenty of us on the left are sick of these people, too.
Lol. You are old. You used to be liberal, now you are ossified - a shell of your former ideals you've aged in place and been left behind.
"If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain."
Embrace your own truth.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by K_benzoate on Tuesday August 25 2015, @10:25PM
Any policy position you care to name, I probably have a very liberal take on it. The most important one is freedom of expression. The liberal position on Free Speech is this one [youtube.com]--which happens to be anathema to the SJW stance. Authoritarianism is not a socially liberal position, and that's what Social Justice ideology is at the core. It's authoritarian leftism for hipsters, alloyed with misandric 3rd wave feminism and white guilt.
Climate change is real and primarily caused by human activity.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 25 2015, @10:53PM
> The liberal position on Free Speech is this one [youtube.com]
You fit right in with the gamergaters and the puppies - posting links to tediously long youtube videos that nobody is going to watch. Its like some kind of porn to you guys and if you had a clue about people you would understand that nobody wants to watch someone else's porn.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 25 2015, @08:59PM
> It wins at the Right-Wing Buzzword Bingo.
The first time I read your post, I thought you wrote "Buzzard Bingo" as in The Mighty Buzzard.
I just thought you should know the unintentional truth of your post.
(Score: 2) by M. Baranczak on Tuesday August 25 2015, @09:09PM
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 25 2015, @10:55PM
Bullshit. I am not an American. I have no horse in American domestic politics. I am moderate left and strongly liberal in the sense that the rest of the word uses that word.
From the PoV of such a person as myself, your SJWs are irrational authoritarian ideologues who would give Westboro lunatics a run for the title of insane nutjobs of the year. They are the monsters [twitter.com] that they've been fighting in their heads. And they are very [soundcloud.com]very [youtube.com] real.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 25 2015, @11:04PM
> And they are very [soundcloud.com]very [youtube.com] real.
Lol. You guys really fit a profile. [soylentnews.org]
Literally 2 minutes after I made the above linked post about linking to tediously long youtube videos, you went and demonstrated exactly how uniform in thinking you nutters really are. I would really like to understand why that behaviour is so prevalent among your cohorts.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 25 2015, @11:22PM
So you dismiss his ideas and attitude with 'hateful' speech.
http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html#Argumentum%20ad%20hominem [csun.edu]
http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html#Argumentum%20ad%20nauseam [csun.edu]
You do not want to listen to what he has to say so you back into attacking what they 'might be' to try to make yourself look better.
If you read the original comment that set this whole thing off you can see whoever said it is *very* frustrated. They do not feel they can speak out. Who blames them they basically fired the CEO because he spent some money. Then it looks as if this girl was emboldened by it to let out her inner asshole. Then became delusional when it became apparent she was playing in the deep end with people who are better than her technically. They sounds as if they called her out many times and gave her opportunities to make it right. But she somehow turned that into being 'gaslighted'. They sound as if they are glad she is gone. I have worked with people who are like that. They are toxic little ninnys who think only the way they think is the 'right way'. They run to HR at every opportunity and are basically a pain in the ass. They refuse to get along and expect everyone to bend to their will. They want everyone else to be calm little drones but 'they are the special one'. Needless to say as is human nature the ones she passively aggressively persecutes makes sure she wants to leave.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 25 2015, @11:30PM
>> I would really like to understand why that behaviour is so prevalent among your cohorts.
>
> So you dismiss his ideas and attitude with 'hateful' speech.
Seems like you aren't going to actually answer my question.
Frankly, if that's what you consider to be 'hateful speech' then you must have the thinnest skin of anyone on the internet.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 26 2015, @03:11AM
How dare they present supporting evidence for their points! It's like these people think SN is a place for rational discussion or something.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by dcollins on Tuesday August 25 2015, @01:58PM
That's just how the SIW (Social Injustice Warriors) operate. Any opportunity for angry white men to whine about "I'm being oppressed" at having so much as a single uppity woman in the workplace, or not being able to abuse them at will.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Francis on Tuesday August 25 2015, @04:15PM
Or more likely getting tired of people tarring us for the "Patriarchy" while demanding better conditions than us because we're men and clearly we already have those conditions. Kind of reminds me of when take your daughter to work day came out and they said that every day was take your son to work day. In my entire life, I only went to work with my dad one day and that was on an off day when nobody was around. He was working construction at the time and needed to poor a cement slab. So, I sat nearby playing in the sand.
I'd wager I'm far from the only one that never went to work with his dad.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 25 2015, @09:06PM
> Or more likely getting tired
The loss of unearned privilege is the most painful loss of them all because it feels so unjust. You grew up in a world where you thought you were an egalitarian participant, but now faced with the truth it feels like a zero sum game.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 25 2015, @09:34PM
Kind of reminds me of when take your daughter to work day came out and they said that every day was take your son to work day. In my entire life, I only went to work with my dad one day
Hey Francis, answer me this question - Do you honestly think that when "they said that" they were speaking literally? If yes, how many sons did you know who went to work with their fathers "every day." And if you don't think it was meant literally, why do you think a literal counter-example would be at all meaningful?
(Score: 1) by Francis on Thursday August 27 2015, @10:31PM
No, I don't think they meant literally. But, the meaning is rather clear. I don't think any of the boys I grew up with went to work with their fathers on any sort of regular basis, if they did at all. Perhaps the children of the upper class did, but it's hardly the sort of common situation that they wanted people to believe in.
And the point I was making was that I was at work only in the most literal fashion possible. None of my dad's coworkers were there and I didn't get to see him do anything that might be meaningful to a 3 year old. As opposed to the implied sense that boys regularly get to see what goes on at the office and start making contacts.