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posted by takyon on Thursday August 27 2015, @12:01AM   Printer-friendly
from the unnatural-gas dept.

Not content with using hybrid artificial photosynthesis to turn CO2 emissions into plastics and biofuel, researchers at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) now claim to have produced an enhanced system that uses water and solar energy to generate hydrogen, which is in turn used to produce methane, the main element of natural gas, from carbon dioxide. Generating such gases from a renewable resource may one day help bolster, or even replace, fossil fuel resources extracted from dwindling sub-surface deposits.

Simply put, the process of photosynthesis turns light energy into chemical energy. In plants and certain types of algae, energy from incoming sunlight is used as the power source to synthesize simple carbohydrates from carbon dioxide and water. In the original Berkeley Lab hybrid system, a membrane arrangement of nanowires created from silicon and titanium oxide harvested solar energy and transported electrons to microbes where they used that energy to transform carbon dioxide into a range of chemical compounds.

Produces methane...Sorry, cows, you have been rendered superfluous.

Hybrid bioinorganic approach to solar-to-chemical conversion [abstract]


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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by TrumpetPower! on Thursday August 27 2015, @12:41AM

    by TrumpetPower! (590) <ben@trumpetpower.com> on Thursday August 27 2015, @12:41AM (#228376) Homepage

    No clue if this particular method will pan out, or some other...but it's of vital importance that we develop a solar-powered way to make hydrocarbon feedstock from atmospheric CO2.

    Never mind gasoline for passenger vehicles; basically all of civilization is utterly dependent on petroleum in countless ways...lubricants and plastics and fertilizer and pesticides and even pavement and roofing materials...without petroleum or something similar, that all goes away. Civilization, in other words, goes away.

    And we're fast running out of petroleum. We've used up about half of what was in the ground to begin with -- and, as one would expect, we first went for the high-quality easy-to-get-to stuff. Now we're literally scraping the bottom of the barrel.

    Petroleum has been fantastic for civilization as an energy source...but we're drawing in on a time where it'll take more energy to get it out of the ground than you can get from burning it. Long gone, after all, are the days when you had to be careful with a pickaxe in Texas lest you set off a gusher...today's premium wells are miles of pipeline miles beneath the ocean waves -- and we're even going after Canadian tar sands and shale oil, the proverbial bad jokes of last-ditch desperation.

    We're headed for the proverbial interesting times of the curse...but all hope is not lost. The market already seems to be shifting towards all-electric vehicles at least as fast as it previously shifted to Prius-style hybrids, which will free up that much petroleum for non-transportation uses. Never mind that EVs are overwhelmingly powered from green sources, especially rooftop solar; simply freeing up that petroleum will be critical, even if the electricity generated comes from dirty coal (which is also finite but we're not quite as close to running out of).

    Solar is already competitive with if not cheaper than all other utility-scale generating techniques for new installations, which means that we'll increasingly shift power generation to solar. If we can do that at an accelerated pace that includes enough surplus to run these types of CO2-into-petroleum-replacements...well, we just might maybe perhaps slip under the wire....

    Cheers,

    b&

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 27 2015, @01:40AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 27 2015, @01:40AM (#228385)

    Solar has a problem of not working at night. We still want power then. So things like this will act as a storage. In most cases you would be better off just using the power directly from the panel than converting it into something else.

    Also do not confuse the price of oil with anything about supply. It is a manipulated commodity. We even elected a president at one point on breaking up the cartels. OPEC got in on the action in the early 1970s.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday August 27 2015, @02:17AM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 27 2015, @02:17AM (#228391) Journal

      Uhhh - that whole embargo thing in the '70's? It wasn't about price fixing, or anything so simple. It was a protest over the US going off of the gold standard. Members of OPEC insisted that the price of oil should be tied to the price of gold.

      I've posted links in the past that shows that the price of oil in relation to the price of gold has been remarkably stable over the past century. Yes, in terms of gold, you are paying nearly the same price that your x-Great-Grandparents paid back in 1910. The fluctuations come from short term manipulation, and inflation.

      Fiat money has no stability to speak of.

      "Oil vs. Gold Chart Analysis

      In looking at the chart we can see that the average since 1946 has been that one ounce of gold would buy 14.83 barrels of oil. Therefore, whenever one ounce of gold would buy more than 14.83 barrels of oil either oil was cheap or gold was expensive. And conversely, whenever an ounce of gold would buy less than 14.83 barrels, then oil was expensive or gold was cheap."

      http://inflationdata.com/articles/comparing-oil-gold/ [inflationdata.com]

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 27 2015, @01:22PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 27 2015, @01:22PM (#228566)

        Then we can just ignore the oversupply the producers and major consumers are talking about? We can ignore what The Saudis say they are doing. Because of your correlation? The Saudis have basically told OPEC 'we are doing what we want you guys are crazy'. There are 4 major producers of oil. OPEC, the Saudis who are sometimes part of OPEC, the US, and Russia (who are sometimes part of OPEC). The Saudis have enough oil currently they can manipulate prices. They wanted to end the shale/tar thing the US was doing. They also are mad at Russia and the rest of OPEC for some reason (probably pressure from the US).

        http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-26/ecuador-reveals-the-pain-inside-opec-it-s-pumping-oil-at-a-loss [bloomberg.com]

        Price fixing in the oil industry is rampant and been there for a long time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil [wikipedia.org]

        Take for example my local area. There are probably 5-10 different gas stations yet they all have similar prices. Why is that? They all get their gas/oil from the same pumping station 1 city over. That pumping station sells gas at a fixed commodity price. Control the distribution and supply and you can control the price.

        One guy I know owned a gas station. He could set the price to whatever he liked so long as it was 3 cents above what the oil company told him to do. If you dont think the good-ol-boy club exists you are dreaming. The high freq traders figured out you can skim a bit of money on the arbitrage. But as the Saudis have demonstrated for the past year, THEY control the price.

        Oil is not a free market. It hasnt been for a LONG time. In fact it is in your theory. Gold is held to a fixed rate of oil. The 1970s where a reflection of OPEC showing the world who was in control of the oil and they wanted their price fixed.

        What you have discovered is 2 things. A measure of inflation. As well as a very nice example of price fixing. I personally like to use cars as a measure of inflation.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Gravis on Thursday August 27 2015, @02:13AM

    by Gravis (4596) on Thursday August 27 2015, @02:13AM (#228390)

    basically all of civilization is utterly dependent on petroleum in countless ways...lubricants and plastics and fertilizer and pesticides and even pavement and roofing materials

    - there a plenty of non-petroleum based lubricants
    - you should read about bioplastics.
    - fertilizer is simply nitrates and we flush plenty of nitrates down the crapper.
    - we dont actually need pesticides. the problem we have is having farms stuck in monoculture rather than use horticulture.
    - pavement comes in lots of flavors but i'm not against using petroleum for such things.
    - roofing materials? solar panels are all you need. :)

    you completely underestimate our ability to adapt when something becomes scarce.

    Now we're literally scraping the bottom of the barrel.

    that word doesn't mean what you think it means, fool.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by PinkyGigglebrain on Thursday August 27 2015, @02:25AM

      by PinkyGigglebrain (4458) on Thursday August 27 2015, @02:25AM (#228396)

      When I read posts like yours I always think of Romans 1:22 (KJV) "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,"

      Its the only verse in the Bible I know by heart, and it comes in handy when someone starts quoting the Bible at me, or in response to posts like yours.

      Careful who you call a fool lest you become one yourself.

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      • (Score: 1, Troll) by penguinoid on Thursday August 27 2015, @06:09PM

        by penguinoid (5331) on Thursday August 27 2015, @06:09PM (#228676)

        Just post a picture of the barrel which we're literally scraping the bottom of, and we'll all make fun of Gravis.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 27 2015, @09:25PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 27 2015, @09:25PM (#228730)

      fertilizer

      The use of a garbage disposal is a sin.
      The amount of vegetable peelings and not-quite-perfect stuff that gets shoved down those is shameful.
      That biomass could be put into a compost heap and reused to fertilize the next year's growth.
      You mix that stuff with equal parts "waste" paper.
      The amount of paper products we just chuck out is shameful too.

      ...and the fact that many people have land space and use that to grow grass and other inedible things just boggles my mind.

      pesticides
      monoculture

      Our species has know about crop rotation for thousands of years yet we've largely let that knowledge slip away.
      This also applies to "fertilizer".

      "The Three Sisters" [wikipedia.org] is another bit of wisdom that has been ignored for ages.
      This also applies to "fertilizer".

      pavement

      Ever see how much blacktop is torn up and hauled away when they lay down a new asphalt surface.
      That "waste" is just thrown into a pit somewhere.
      Why isn't is being reused for more road|parking lot surface?

      roofing materials

      I know of a city in L.A. County that forbids regular old petrochemical shingles. [google.com]
      More. [cerritos.us]
      The alternatives last much longer as well.

      -- gewg_

  • (Score: 2) by morgauxo on Thursday August 27 2015, @02:38PM

    by morgauxo (2082) on Thursday August 27 2015, @02:38PM (#228592)

    With fossil fuels we eventually warm the planet enough to lose our coastal cities.
    With electric vehicles we strip-mine the planet to get rare-earth metals.

    I'm glad I don't live in a coastal city!