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posted by CoolHand on Monday August 31 2015, @03:29AM   Printer-friendly
from the real-life-botnet dept.

Alex Rubalcava writes that autonomous vehicles are the greatest force multiplier to emerge in decades for criminals and terrorists and open the door for new types of crime not possible today. According to Rubalcava, the biggest barrier to carrying out terrorist plans until now has been the risk of getting caught or killed by law enforcement so that only depraved hatred, or religious fervor has been able to motivate someone to take on those risks as part of a plan to harm other people. "A future Timothy McVeigh will not need to drive a truck full of fertilizer to the place he intends to detonate it," writes Rubalcava. "A burner email account, a prepaid debit card purchased with cash, and an account, tied to that burner email, with an AV car service will get him a long way to being able to place explosives near crowds, without ever being there himself." A recent example is instructive. Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev were identified by an examination of footage from numerous private security cameras that were recording the crowd in downtown Boston during the Marathon. Imagine if they could have dispatched their bombs in the trunk of a car that they were never in themselves? Catching them might have been an order of magnitude more difficult than it was.

According to Rubalcava "the reaction to the first car bombing using an AV is going to be massive, and it's going to be stupid. There will be calls for the government to issue a stop to all AV operations, much in the same way that the FAA made the unprecedented order to ground 4,000-plus planes across the nation after 9/11." He goes on to say that "unlike 9/11, which involved a decades-old transportation infrastructure, the first AV bombing will use an infrastructure in its infancy, one that will be much easier to shut down. That shutdown could stretch from temporary to quasi-permanent with ease, as security professionals grapple with the technical challenge of distinguishing between safe, legitimate payloads and payloads that are intended to harm."


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  • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Monday August 31 2015, @03:45AM

    by mhajicek (51) on Monday August 31 2015, @03:45AM (#230023)

    Just hack a few autonomous trucks carrying fuel, chlorine, ammonia, etc. and crash them into busses, crowds, densely populated buildings. For best effect, do some in front of the fire stations and hospitals to limit emergency response, and on the bridges and freeway ramps to limit outside help. Execute in many major cities at once.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by frojack on Monday August 31 2015, @05:17AM

    by frojack (1554) on Monday August 31 2015, @05:17AM (#230040) Journal

    How did we get from Driverless to Autonomous?

    First, all you need do is make it impossible for a driverless car to undertake any journey without a live human inside.
    There are many ways that this can be accomplished. More than one would probably be employed.

    But the idea that just anyone would be allowed to send a vehicle across town without any human supervision, especially after years of vehicle born bombs in dozens of places around the world, is quite ludicrous.

    Its easy enough, apparently, to find a human to drive a bomb into a crowd. Nobody is going to make it easier to just send a bomb.
    This is also why people (and governments) are so worried about cheap drones. It will only take one incident for the entire drone market to be destroyed.

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    • (Score: 2) by frojack on Monday August 31 2015, @05:27AM

      by frojack (1554) on Monday August 31 2015, @05:27AM (#230041) Journal

      Oh, forgot to mention, Google's self-driving cars can't handle bicycle track stands.

      http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/30/google-self-driving-cars-confused-by-bike-stand/ [engadget.com]

      Autonomous apparently is chock full of pitfalls.

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Monday August 31 2015, @06:49AM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 31 2015, @06:49AM (#230054) Journal

        Heh. Not enough detail in that link, but I think I see two faults in the programming.

        First, the car should have been aware of whatever was causing the bicycle to be stopped - a red light or something, I presume. Cross traffic? Pedestrians? Whatever, the car should have been tracking that, as well as the bicycle's slight movements. No lurching forward is justified, even if we account for the bike's confusing movements.

        Second, the car's brakes should have been firmly applied all the time. It sounds like the car comes to a stop, then relaxes the braking system.

        Defensive driving teaches you to come to a stop, and to hold the brakes, just in case someone rear ends you. That way, you don't roll out into cross traffic when hit.

        I'll repeat - not enough details in the story, so I may be wrong about some of all of my snap conclusions.

        On a motorcycle, a track stand can get you a ticket. Cops like to see your foot on the ground, or they ASSume that you've just done a "California stop" or "rolling stop". I'm not expert, but I've kept my motorcycle upright and stationary for as long as 30 seconds at a time. I might do better on a motoX bike - or not.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Nuke on Monday August 31 2015, @12:31PM

      by Nuke (3162) on Monday August 31 2015, @12:31PM (#230123)
      Frojack wrote :- "you need do is make it impossible for a driverless car to undertake any journey without a live human inside

      Oh dear, bang goes one of the much vaunted advantages of self driving cars - the ability to send it off to a parking lot or back home after dropping its rider off at school or work, and summoning it back later.

      Never mind, that was going to be a sure way to double the amount of traffic on city roads.
      • (Score: 2) by frojack on Monday August 31 2015, @06:51PM

        by frojack (1554) on Monday August 31 2015, @06:51PM (#230363) Journal

        Oh dear, bang goes one of the much vaunted advantages of self driving cars

        Better than Bang goes the Brooklyn bridge!

        There is really no value in sending the cars any significant distance back to a parking facility. If they can't park within 4 blocks they won't provide a responsive service anyway.

        If one of the sensing methodologies looked for weight within the unoccupied vehicle, it could refuse to move. If another looked for any packages in the unoccupied vehicle (regardless of weight), it could refuse to move.
        If yet another detected a transmitter in the unoccupied vehicle, (especially a cell phone) it could refuse to move.

        (Receivers are harder to detect, but strictly in-vehicle jamming of un-occupied vehicles might be be useful.)

             

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        • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Tuesday September 01 2015, @05:05AM

          by mhajicek (51) on Tuesday September 01 2015, @05:05AM (#230662)

          "There is really no value in sending the cars any significant distance back to a parking facility." = false. My wife is working at the state fair. Parking within about a six block radius is both limited and expensive. I've been dropping her off at 6:15am and picking her up at 9:20pm. If I could just send the car to drop her off and pick her up I could spend much less time in the car. Also, in the general case, if she needed to go or return while I was at work, the car could be sent to whoever needs it.

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          • (Score: 2) by frojack on Tuesday September 01 2015, @05:18AM

            by frojack (1554) on Tuesday September 01 2015, @05:18AM (#230666) Journal

            Six blocks is not significant, neither is 8 or 10. Bringing the car all the way home would be ridiculous.
            A rent-for-the-ride car service would locate parking/recharging lots near events like fairs, not to mention office buildings, school campuses, factories etc.

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    • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Tuesday September 01 2015, @05:14AM

      by mhajicek (51) on Tuesday September 01 2015, @05:14AM (#230665)

      "How did we get from Driverless to Autonomous?". I don't understand the question; the headline mentions autonomous vehicles. Also, since my premise includes gaining unauthorized control remotely, any software restrictions can be assumed to be circumvented.

      I would support a legal requirement for any vehicle carrying dangerous amounts of a dangerous substance to contain a conscious human with a hardware emergency stop button.

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