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posted by martyb on Saturday September 05 2015, @08:02PM   Printer-friendly
from the on-the-bleeding-edge dept.

Our home just gained a shiny new HP laptop, which was immediately upgraded to Windows 10.

Much of the last tweny-four hours has been consumed by two tasks: making it print to an HP printer networked to our router, and moving email from Windows Live Mail on an XP box to the same program on the W10 machine.

If I run into a Linux problem (or even Android) I can usually visit a forum or other resource and get an answer in a few minutes. With Windows I'm Googling madly and chasing many more dead ends than useful answers.

And yes, that not surprisingly includes Microsoft's own sites.

So Soylentils, what are your go-to places for good-quality Windows 10 information?


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  • (Score: 4, Funny) by Katastic on Saturday September 05 2015, @08:12PM

    by Katastic (3340) on Saturday September 05 2015, @08:12PM (#232716)

    I spent almost two weeks of company time trying to diagnose why ONLY TWO salespeople's iPhones couldn't get their Exchange e-mail on their phones. They kept bitching and bitching, they called their "IT nephew" to try and give me advice. It turns out that a SPECIFIC iPhone with a SPECIFIC iOS version decides to shit all over everyone.

    Microsoft's entire software stack is a gigantic pile of trash, and Apple's updates only make it worse.

    All they care about is getting the software sold. If it works--even if it throws a thousand errors in the Event Log every day--nobody gives a shit until the next IT guy comes along (read: me) and has to clean up the mess.

    I never used to hate Microsoft's products until I had to maintain them for a living. When I start my company, I'm going to ban them and write it into a stone tablet for everyone to see.

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  • (Score: 2, Touché) by kazzie on Saturday September 05 2015, @08:49PM

    by kazzie (5309) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 05 2015, @08:49PM (#232736)

    When I start my company, I'm going to ban them and write it into a stone tablet for everyone to see.

    Does the tablet run Windows 10?

    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2015, @09:21PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2015, @09:21PM (#232750)

      It runs Moses 1.0

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 06 2015, @08:33AM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday September 06 2015, @08:33AM (#232933) Journal

      Stone tablet? The odds are pretty good. A brick tablet, on the other hand, would probably be Apple.

  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2015, @08:55PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2015, @08:55PM (#232742)

    So basically like Linux distros that have tons of errors in the log on a clean install.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday September 05 2015, @09:18PM

      by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday September 05 2015, @09:18PM (#232749) Journal

      So basically like Linux distros

      This is not the appropriate thread for a M$ shill to post tu quoque accusations. And you are offtopic, since, if you had read the Fine Summary you would know the issue is finding information on the errors, not that there are errors. So, try harder, or just give the OP your secret contact number to Redmond so the poor bastard can get some help.

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2015, @11:16PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2015, @11:16PM (#232786)

        I think I saw another post on this printer made by the OP elsewhere yesterday.
        God! I am SOOO Glad for Linux! [linuxmint.com]

        If the 2 usernames are not the same person, that is a fantastic coincidence.

        My question at this point is:
        What task do you need to do that requires Redmond's spyware?

        -- gewg_

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2015, @10:32PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2015, @10:32PM (#232773)

      You mean like every version of windows, which after installing all the mandatory updates to fix all its problems also fills the even log with needless spam, so that when something does go wrong the log is virtually useless since you can't tell what is business as usual, and what is real problems. I would rather be homeless again, then maintain other peoples Microsoft products again.

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by darkfeline on Saturday September 05 2015, @10:42PM

      by darkfeline (1030) on Saturday September 05 2015, @10:42PM (#232776) Homepage

      Linux exploits this chink in the defenses. Your computer notices a bootable disk in the floppy or CD-ROM drive, loads in some object code from that disk, and blindly begins to execute it. But this is not Microsoft or Apple code, this is Linux code, and so at this point your computer begins to behave very differently from what you are accustomed to. Cryptic messages began to scroll up the screen. If you had booted a commercial OS, you would, at this point, be seeing a "Welcome to MacOS" cartoon, or a screen filled with clouds in a blue sky, and a Windows logo. But under Linux you get a long telegram printed in stark white letters on a black screen. There is no "welcome!" message. Most of the telegram has the semi-inscrutable menace of graffiti tags.

      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev syslogd 1.3-3#17: restart.
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: klogd 1.3-3, log source = /proc/kmsg started.
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Loaded 3535 symbols from /System.map.
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Symbols match kernel version 2.0.30. Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: No module symbols loaded.
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Intel MultiProcessor Specification v1.4
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Virtual Wire compatibility mode.
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: OEM ID: INTEL Product ID: 440FX APIC at: 0xFEE00000
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Processor #0 Pentium(tm) Pro APIC version 17
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Processor #1 Pentium(tm) Pro APIC version 17
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: I/O APIC #2 Version 17 at 0xFEC00000.
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Processors: 2
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Console: 16 point font, 400 scans
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25, 1 virtual console (max 63)
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: pcibios_init : BIOS32 Service Directory structure at 0x000fdb70
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: pcibios_init : BIOS32 Service Directory entry at 0xfdb80
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: pcibios_init : PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfdba1
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Probing PCI hardware.
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Warning : Unknown PCI device (10b7:9001). Please read include/linux/pci.h
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 179.40 BogoMIPS
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Memory: 64268k/66556k available (700k kernel code, 384k reserved, 1204k data)
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Swansea University Computer Society NET3.035 for Linux 2.0
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: NET3: Unix domain sockets 0.13 for Linux NET3.035.
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Swansea University Computer Society TCP/IP for NET3.034
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Checking 386/387 coupling... Ok, fpu using exception 16 error reporting.
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Checking 'hlt' instruction... Ok.
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Linux version 2.0.30 (root@theRev) (gcc version 2.7.2.1) #15 Fri Mar 27 16:37:24 PST 1998
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Booting processor 1 stack 00002000: Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 179.40 BogoMIPS
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Total of 2 processors activated (358.81 BogoMIPS).
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Serial driver version 4.13 with no serial options enabled
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: lp1 at 0x0378, (polling)
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: PS/2 auxiliary pointing device detected -- driver installed.
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: Real Time Clock Driver v1.07
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: loop: registered device at major 7
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: ide: i82371 PIIX (Triton) on PCI bus 0 function 57
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: ide0: BM-DMA at 0xffa0-0xffa7
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: ide1: BM-DMA at 0xffa8-0xffaf
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: hda: Conner Peripherals 1275MB - CFS1275A, 1219MB w/64kB Cache, LBA, CHS=619/64/63
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: hdb: Maxtor 84320A5, 4119MB w/256kB Cache, LBA, CHS=8928/15/63, DMA
      Dec 14 15:04:15 theRev kernel: hdc: , ATAPI CDROM drive
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: Started kswapd v 1.4.2.2
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: FDC 0 is a National Semiconductor PC87306
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: md driver 0.35 MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation)
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: TCP compression code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright 1995 Caldera, Inc.
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: PPP line discipline registered.
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: SLIP: version 0.8.4-NET3.019-NEWTTY (dynamic channels, max=256).
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: eth0: 3Com 3c900 Boomerang 10Mbps/Combo at 0xef00, 00:60:08:a4:3c:db, IRQ 10
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: 8K word-wide RAM 3:5 Rx:Tx split, 10base2 interface.
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: Enabling bus-master transmits and whole-frame receives.
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: 3c59x.c:v0.49 1/2/98 Donald Becker http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/vortex.html
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: Partition check:
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: hda: hda1 hda2 hda3
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: hdb: hdb1 hdb2
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: Adding Swap: 16124k swap-space (priority -1)
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: EXT2-fs warning: maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: hdc: media changed
      Dec 15 11:58:06 theRev kernel: ISO9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A
      Dec 15 11:58:07 theRev syslogd 1.3-3#17: restart.
      Dec 15 11:58:09 theRev diald[87]: Unable to open options file /etc/diald/diald.options: No such file or directory
      Dec 15 11:58:09 theRev diald[87]: No device specified. You must have at least one device!
      Dec 15 11:58:09 theRev diald[87]: You must define a connector script (option 'connect').
      Dec 15 11:58:09 theRev diald[87]: You must define the remote ip address.
      Dec 15 11:58:09 theRev diald[87]: You must define the local ip address.
      Dec 15 11:58:09 theRev diald[87]: Terminating due to damaged reconfigure.

      The only parts of this that are readable, for normal people, are the error messages and warnings. And yet it's noteworthy that Linux doesn't stop, or crash, when it encounters an error; it spits out a pithy complaint, gives up on whatever processes were damaged, and keeps on rolling. This was decidedly not true of the early versions of Apple and Microsoft OSes, for the simple reason that an OS that is not capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time cannot possibly recover from errors. Looking for, and dealing with, errors requires a separate process running in parallel with the one that has erred. A kind of superego, if you will, that keeps an eye on all of the others, and jumps in when one goes astray. Now that MacOS and Windows can do more than one thing at a time they are much better at dealing with errors than they used to be, but they are not even close to Linux or other Unices in this respect; and their greater complexity has made them vulnerable to new types of errors.

      In the Beginning was the Command Line [inria.fr]

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by el_oscuro on Monday September 07 2015, @12:43AM

        by el_oscuro (1711) on Monday September 07 2015, @12:43AM (#233091)

        But this is not Microsoft or Apple code, this is Linux code, and so at this point your computer begins to behave very differently from what you are accustomed to. Cryptic messages began to scroll up the screen.

        Unfortunately, for most distros, you are incorrect. Most these days have a crappy splash screen which I hate. I would much rather see those cryptic error messages so if there is a problem, I can see it and google the error message.

        --
        SoylentNews is Bacon! [nueskes.com]
  • (Score: 2) by isostatic on Saturday September 05 2015, @09:01PM

    by isostatic (365) on Saturday September 05 2015, @09:01PM (#232744) Journal

    When I start my company, I'm going to ban them and write it into a stone tablet for everyone to see.

    Yeah, that usually works out well [independent.co.uk].

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by LoRdTAW on Saturday September 05 2015, @10:41PM

    by LoRdTAW (3755) on Saturday September 05 2015, @10:41PM (#232775) Journal

    All software sucks [cat-v.org]. It really does. We are at a point where so much overly complex shit has been shoveled on top of more overly complex shit that it's become nearly impossible to dig ourselves out.

    Bottom line? If it works good enough then it's done.