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posted by martyb on Saturday September 05 2015, @08:02PM   Printer-friendly
from the on-the-bleeding-edge dept.

Our home just gained a shiny new HP laptop, which was immediately upgraded to Windows 10.

Much of the last tweny-four hours has been consumed by two tasks: making it print to an HP printer networked to our router, and moving email from Windows Live Mail on an XP box to the same program on the W10 machine.

If I run into a Linux problem (or even Android) I can usually visit a forum or other resource and get an answer in a few minutes. With Windows I'm Googling madly and chasing many more dead ends than useful answers.

And yes, that not surprisingly includes Microsoft's own sites.

So Soylentils, what are your go-to places for good-quality Windows 10 information?


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Whoever on Saturday September 05 2015, @09:59PM

    by Whoever (4524) on Saturday September 05 2015, @09:59PM (#232761) Journal

    This has always been the case: resources for Windows problems suck.

    Search for most problems and you will see lots of postings like:
    Poster A: I did A, B and C, it fixed the problem for me.
    Poster B: I tried these and it didn't fix the problem
    Poster C: I did B, C and D and it fixed the problem
    Poster D: I did A, C and D and it did not fix the problem.
    etc...

    In other words, lots of postings where people made a bunch of changes, most of which were irrelevant and often result in reduced security and no clear answer on how to solve the issue. At least one of those posting will instruct the reader to turn off the firewall (*)

    None of this is new.

    *: The Linux equivalent of this is an instruction to disable or turn off SELinux.

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  • (Score: 2) by fliptop on Saturday September 05 2015, @10:04PM

    by fliptop (1666) on Saturday September 05 2015, @10:04PM (#232763) Journal

    Poster E: I nuked it from orbit and reinstalled.
    Poster F: Thanks, that worked!

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2015, @09:39PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2015, @09:39PM (#233061)

      Poster G: I got a call from "This is windows calling", they fixed all my problems. It only cost $875 per year.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2015, @11:02PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2015, @11:02PM (#232783)

    This has always been the case: resources for computer problems suck.

    Fixed that for you. ALL platforms follow this model.

    You also forgot poster "I am seeing this issue too." And that is the *only* reply.

    The ones that kill me are the 'how do I x' and someone shows how to do it for an irrelevant OS. Or the obligatory 'install this other OS' of which this thread is full of :( Oh yeah I am going to spend 2-3 hours installing something else then spend hours redoing my work flow because you have some irrational idea that an OS does something special other than LAUNCH other programs...

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2015, @03:58AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2015, @03:58AM (#232878)

      if all the OS did was launch programs why would you have to redo your workflow if you changed OS?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2015, @06:53AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2015, @06:53AM (#232915)

    At least one of those posting will instruct the reader to turn off the firewall

    That's me. When times get tough I sometimes have to fight scruffy bot herders for a living. Burring the answers in non-solutions is part of my job security through obscurity.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2015, @07:45AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2015, @07:45AM (#232927)

    The answer is B. Poster B is retarded.
    By the way, if your Windows 10 upgrade gets stuck with a black screen, disable everything you can in the BIOS. Then after it has booted once you can enable everything again.
    Disabling SELinux doesn't remove any security because much like Windows Firewall it didn't add any in the first place. No wonder you get Windows-like posts for your Windows-like OS.
    SystemD, SELinux, D-Bus, seriously...
    No wonder the Linux Foundation gives Chrome!books away.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2015, @01:03PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2015, @01:03PM (#232958)

    The linux equivalent nowadays is to tell people to run it with sudo.

  • (Score: 2) by Hyperturtle on Sunday September 06 2015, @07:54PM

    by Hyperturtle (2824) on Sunday September 06 2015, @07:54PM (#233051)

    Windows problems?

    That is like from an Aesop's fable.

    The peasant boy with a problem that he doesn't know how to solve asks numerous village adults and they provide inane or useless advice, some of which would clearly harm him if he tried to do whatever they said.

    After sitting for a while on a rock wondering about what to do, a thought strikes him and does something that is like a mix of all of that and he benefited from the collective wisdom of the village/tribe but didn't actually learn how to solve the problem exactly. Instead, he learned to critically think about the problem, take other people's experiences and advice into account, and make a decision for himself -- good or bad, without necessarily knowing why.

    (The boy who disabled the firewall to let the sheep back in after it got dark accidentally enabled the boy who cried wolf to kill half the village on accident when the additional safeguards of anyone paying attention to logs had been disabled due to repetitive messages indicating an has occurred which may or may not be a problem. Check with your village elder.)