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posted by NCommander on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:03AM   Printer-friendly [Skip to comment(s)]
from the holy-cow-1k-users dept.

Hey, just a heads up on our Day 1 status. I've made some tweaks to the moderation script to handle the surge of users we've gotten, so modpoints should start flowing more easily. I'm making a few more tweaks right now that should get this working as expected (I am going to have to purge out the point in system to reset the script though, so if you have modpoints right now, don't be surprised if they suddenly vanish into the ether.

We know there have been some issues with both registration and submitting stories. On the registration front, some of our emails have been marked as spam, so if you're not getting them, check spam filters. In addition, for the last half an hour, we had a problem with a human confirmation check breaking, which just got cleared. We'll keep you apprised of any updates to this. As for story submissions, this looks like an artifact of a human confirmation script that got re-enabled when we went live. It should be working properly now for logged in users, as well as AC, though I'll be keeping an eye on it. I hope to have a more verbose tech write-up of the site sometime tonight.

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State of the Site: 02/23/2014 108 comments
Well, we've survived our first week as a functional website, and have yet to go belly up because of it. The speed and growth of our community is staggering to say the least, and we are working hard to get this site fully operational. I'm pleased to announce that a development VM is now available for public consumption, and if you're interested in site development, one should join us in #dev on irc.soylentnews.org. Beyond that though, I've got a few points to address on and updated statistics to share ...
Former TSMC Director Temporarily Banned From Working for Samsung 9 comments

The Taiwanese Supreme Court has ruled in favor of the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) in a lawsuit against an ex-R&D director who leaked trade secrets to Samsung:

The Supreme Court ruled yesterday that a former senior director at Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC, 台積電) cannot work for rival company Samsung in any way before the end of this year, over concerns about revealing trade secrets to the competitor. Previously, in a lower court, a judgment was issued against TSMC, stating that forbidding Liang Mong-song (梁孟松) from holding offices in other companies violates his right to work. In a later appeal, Liang was banned from working for Samsung before the end of this year, which the Supreme Court yesterday let stand.

The Supreme Court explained that if he continued to work for Samsung during this time, the market competitiveness advantages of TSMC will severely be impaired, which will affect the semiconductor foundry industry in Taiwan. [...] TSMC stated that according to a comparison report conducted by specialists, the differences in nanometer technology between Samsung and TSMC have rapidly decreased over the years. The 16 nm and 14 nm FinFET products produced in massive quantities by both companies this year were very similar. "Simply by analyzing the structure, it is hard to differentiate which was made by Samsung or TSMC," the report said.

Legal experts point out that this final judgment is a first in the technology industry and in judicial circles. Taiwan courts have never restricted senior managers of enterprises from working for competitors, even after the end of their non-competition clause's expiry.

From The Register:

Among TSMC's accusations is that Liang gave Samsung its 28nm process tech at a time when TSMC was leading the semiconductor industry. Its claim is that the leaked secrets gave Samsung the advantage it needed to later leapfrog TSMC to the 16nm and 14nm process nodes.

Liang spent 17 years at TSMC, during which he reportedly earned a salary and bonuses of more than NT$36m ($1.1m/£704,000) per year, on average. When he left the company in 2009, he told TSMC that he planned to go into academia and soon took a job at Taiwan's National Tsing Hua University. But six months later he turned up at a different institution: Sungkyunkwan University, in South Korea. Sungkyunkwan is a private research university with campuses in Seoul and Suwon, and Samsung is its major backer. The move raised red flags within TSMC almost immediately, but it didn't file suit against Liang until 2011, by which time he had already officially accepted a job at Samsung proper. Still, in its complaint, the Taiwanese firm alleged Liang was "already leaking TSMC trade secrets to Samsung" by the time he joined Sungkyunkwan.

Liang has denied the charges, saying he would never do anything to harm TSMC. But he has admitted in court that he left the Taiwanese chipmaker because he was dissatisfied with a recent promotion, and he has reportedly since brought five more former TSMC execs over to Samsung.


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End of Day 1: Systems Update 149 comments

So, as I write this, day one has officially come to an end. I'm still somewhat in shock over it. Last night when I was editing the database to change over hostnames and such, I was thinking, man, it would be great if we got 100 regular users by tomorrow. Turns out I was wrong. By a factor of ten. Holy cow, people. I'm still in a state of disbelief, partially due to the epic turnout, but also because our very modest server hardware hasn't soiled itself from the influx (the numbers are, well, "impressive" is a way to put it). Anyway, I wanted to do a bit of a writeup of where we stand now, what works, and what doesn't. Check it out (and some raw numbers) after the break! Warning, it is a bit lengthy.

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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by KibiByte on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:09AM

    by KibiByte (1024) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:09AM (#1186)

    *coughs* Which 1k are you talking about, sir?

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    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by FatPhil on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:12AM

      by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:12AM (#1190) Homepage

      If you're discerning enough to distinguish kibi from kilo, surely you must know that 1K and 1k are different?

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      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by KibiByte on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:29AM

        by KibiByte (1024) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:29AM (#1212)

        You mean k K and Ki, yes?

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        • (Score: 1) by FatPhil on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:41AM

          by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:41AM (#1223) Homepage

          Indeed - good catch.

          That will teach me to post from the +long-past-your-bedtime timezone.

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          • (Score: 1) by KibiByte on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:57AM

            by KibiByte (1024) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:57AM (#1234)

            We're all nitpicky, it's no biggie to me!

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            • (Score: 2, Insightful) by FatPhil on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:20AM

              by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:20AM (#1253) Homepage

              The nice thing is that those of us who are early adopters are the ones with the positive attitude, who want to see this new community succeed. So we don't even want to get into arguments with each other.

              Hence my inability to get modded down despite directly asking for it!

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              • (Score: 5, Funny) by Appalbarry on Tuesday February 18 2014, @02:13AM

                by Appalbarry (66) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @02:13AM (#1291) Journal

                Who you calling an "Early Adopter" you three-digit ID slow poke....

        • (Score: 2, Funny) by demonlapin on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:06AM

          by demonlapin (925) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:06AM (#1330) Journal
          Surely your UID is a gift from the mods...
          • (Score: 3, Informative) by KibiByte on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:10AM

            by KibiByte (1024) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:10AM (#1337)

            Just watched a count in the IRC channel, had the screen set and ready, saw 1023 and slammed create account!

            But a site contributor was behind the scenes putting out that information publicly, so I guess it was a gift!

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          • (Score: 1) by Random2 on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:07PM

            by Random2 (669) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:07PM (#1637)

            I really need to find the guy who beat me to mine and get it from him....

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        • (Score: 2, Funny) by TheRaven on Tuesday February 18 2014, @08:55AM

          by TheRaven (270) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @08:55AM (#1486) Journal

          k K and Ki

          Is that the society for racist nerds?

          Aside: In the other place, <quote> works as an alias for <blockquote>, but here it seems to be stripped out.

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          • (Score: 1) by KibiByte on Tuesday February 18 2014, @10:42PM

            by KibiByte (1024) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @10:42PM (#1993)

            Why type the extra 4 letters if the function is the same?

            This is where some languages have advantages while others have more robust features at the expense of verbosity.

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    • (Score: 1) by paulej72 on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:13AM

      by paulej72 (58) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:13AM (#1192) Journal

      Nice first post. If I had mod points I would have used them.

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      • (Score: 1) by dry on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:01AM

        by dry (223) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:01AM (#1325) Journal

        Funny thing is earlier I logged in and had 10 points, even with zero karma. Now a few hours later they're gone.
        Oh first post here.

        • (Score: 1) by linsane on Wednesday February 19 2014, @12:54AM

          by linsane (633) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @12:54AM (#2053)

          There is, I'm informed, a 4hr rule while the crew work some of the mystical code out.

          Suffered the same fate here, use em or lose em I guess for the time being!

          • (Score: 1) by dry on Wednesday February 19 2014, @01:24AM

            by dry (223) on Wednesday February 19 2014, @01:24AM (#2068) Journal

            Yes, I read that today as well. Hopefully they'll be lots of comments worth modding up

    • (Score: 1) by everdred on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:19AM

      by everdred (110) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:19AM (#1201) Homepage Journal

      Congratulations... you've won SoylentNews!

      I guess we can all go home now.

    • (Score: 5, Funny) by Non Sequor on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:37AM

      by Non Sequor (1005) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:37AM (#1220) Journal

      How many accounts did you register to get the uid that goes with your nick?

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      • (Score: 1) by KibiByte on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:53AM

        by KibiByte (1024) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:53AM (#1229)

        My original account (54) and then I just watched the UID count rise in IRC.

        Nothing else registered!

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    • (Score: 2, Funny) by Lagg on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:38AM

      by Lagg (105) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:38AM (#1268) Homepage Journal
      You just started a holy war mister. I hope you're happy.
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      • (Score: 1) by KibiByte on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:46AM

        by KibiByte (1024) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:46AM (#1275)

        Nothing makes me happier than raw unbridled chaos!

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 19 2014, @05:51AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 19 2014, @05:51AM (#2172)

          You must love the "Beta" protest. Strangely, I find the recent uproar far more interesting than any of the actual articles at the Old Site.

    • (Score: 5, Funny) by andrew on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:23AM

      by andrew (755) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:23AM (#1351)

      After completing registration I immediately regretted not taking the username "chmod".

  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by FatPhil on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:10AM

    by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:10AM (#1187) Homepage

    Fire away!

    Which is a risky thing to say given that there's a critical bug titled "[#5] Karma -1 forever"

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    • (Score: 1) by NCommander on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:14AM

      by NCommander (2) Subscriber Badge <mcasadevall@soylentnews.org> on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:14AM (#1194) Homepage Journal

      I wasn't able to reproduce that one, and it was during the period of when we *first* got Slash up and running, but no one has complained in IRC as of yet about it. Drop me a line if you hear about it happening again, and I'll re-investigate.

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      • (Score: 1) by vbraga on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:31AM

        by vbraga (683) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:31AM (#1215)

        Is there an "official" IRC channel for SoylentNews? Which server/channel?

      • (Score: 1) by FatPhil on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:37AM

        by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:37AM (#1217) Homepage

        Yeah - but how many times have people been modded down below zero since then?
        Another test does no harm.

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      • (Score: 3, Funny) by mattie_p on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:19AM

        by mattie_p (13) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:19AM (#1251) Journal
        Oblig xkcd [xkcd.com]
  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by DarkMorph on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:10AM

    by DarkMorph (674) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:10AM (#1188)

    Congrats on the first 1,000 users within a day or so.

    The turnaround has been really good, though. Ironically the duration of the slashcott was more or less how long it took to get this site up and running. Even with all the outstanding reported bugs this page is slick and quick, just as it should be. Even the JavaScript-hating crowd is appeased.

    Hopefully the odd bug has been fixed where articles would not show up based on your timezone settings. UTF-8 is still quirky; I tried to type a message in Japanese and the preview was completely blank.

    There was a rumour in the chat about posts being removed/censored on /. if there were references to SoylentNews...

    • (Score: 1) by KibiByte on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:15AM

      by KibiByte (1024) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:15AM (#1196)

      I haven't found myself victim of that rumor. I've had a couple of comments posted since then, not an issue.

      Of course, if they removed anything with Soylentnews in it, they'd be removing a huge chunk of their database, with as often as I posted there.

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    • (Score: 5, Informative) by NCommander on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:16AM

      by NCommander (2) Subscriber Badge <mcasadevall@soylentnews.org> on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:16AM (#1197) Homepage Journal

      Yeah, it seems to actually be dependent partially on what's going in. The validator having some sanity issues which weren't QUITE so bad during internal testing. The trick is to just hit submit without previewing which seems to work every time. Its known, but not super high priority.

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    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by TheRaven on Tuesday February 18 2014, @09:03AM

      by TheRaven (270) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @09:03AM (#1488) Journal

      Even the JavaScript-hating crowd is appeased

      But not the JavaScript-liking crowd. I miss being able to reply, fetch hidden messages in a thread, and see previews without having to open a load of tabs.

      1K users is a good milestone, but some of those are duplicate accounts. It will take a while to build the momentum - you need to be getting around 100 comments per story to avoid suffering the same fate as Technorati (anyone remember that? Bruce Perens' attempt at a Slashdot replacement some years ago), which suffered from having more interesting stories but no comments - and no one read Slashdot for the stories. At the moment, every registered user needs to comment on at least one or two stories a day to get that volume of comments, which is probably feasible for now given that the most motivated people came here, but needs a lot more growth to be sustainable. The other place has around 2-3 million registered users, but rarely manages more than 200 comments per story (unless it's about Obama, and then you get 400 blue trolls and 400 red trolls).

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      • (Score: 1) by mtrycz on Tuesday February 18 2014, @09:14AM

        by mtrycz (60) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @09:14AM (#1492)

        Even the JavaScript-hating crowd is appeased

        I feel you. I personally would like to implement this, but this whole thing happened at the wrong moment, and all I can do for now is report bug.

        If it isn't done for march, I'll happily volunteer, tho. Of course you are welcome to do so too ;)

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      • (Score: 1) by Darth Turbogeek on Tuesday February 18 2014, @11:50AM

        by Darth Turbogeek (1073) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @11:50AM (#1544)

        Post about Obama liking or hiting Slashdot Beta, that seems like a good troll to get volume discussion going.

        Good work new Overlords, great to see this place emerge.

  • (Score: 2, Informative) by buswolley on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:15AM

    by buswolley (848) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:15AM (#1195)

    http://soylentnews.org/users.pl [soylentnews.org]
    has a rendering error

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by NCommander on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:18AM

      by NCommander (2) Subscriber Badge <mcasadevall@soylentnews.org> on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:18AM (#1198) Homepage Journal

      http://dev.soylentnews.org/projects/soylentnews [soylentnews.org]

      That's a blasted annoying bug. Everytime we think we fixed it, it reappears for someone else (I've been told it renders correctly on Opera for instance). It was perfectly fine (for me) before golaunch, and then BLAMO. If someone wants to pull the cssraws out of git and hand me a fixed version, I'll have it pushed in 10 minutes :-)

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by AudioGuy on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:32AM

        by AudioGuy (24) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:32AM (#1216) Journal

        Might be a side effect of the other fix.

        Three column stuff is a real, royal, pain in the ass with pure css. Look on the web and you will see many many people who claim to have 'solved the problem' with varying degrees of success.

        There is actually a very simple solution for all of these, which purists will not want to hear.

        Put the three columns into a table. Just that, don't have to do any other table layout.

        Tables were specifically designed for this and you will not get rendering errors with boxes floating around where they should not be. Slashcode css is old.

        1 table, one row, three cells. That's it.

        I used to be a purist. Now, I am a practical man. Make it reliable, understandable, and simple. Simple doesn't break.

        For what it's worth, it is broken on Opera 10.10 too.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Vanderhoth on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:05AM

          by Vanderhoth (61) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:05AM (#1239)

          That's not an optimal solution for people with assitive technologies (screen reader). Tables can be a real pain in the ass to navigate, espically when you have to navigate the same table on every page load/refresh. That said, I don't disagree with you.

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          • (Score: 1) by NCommander on Tuesday February 18 2014, @02:26AM

            by NCommander (2) Subscriber Badge <mcasadevall@soylentnews.org> on Tuesday February 18 2014, @02:26AM (#1297) Homepage Journal

            What's it currently doing on the main index which is actually working?

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            • (Score: 3, Informative) by Vanderhoth on Tuesday February 18 2014, @02:31PM

              by Vanderhoth (61) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @02:31PM (#1615)

              First of all this is going to be a long post. Second please don't take it as criticism, you guys are doing a great job, especially considering you're starting form code built in the late 90's.

              Unfortunately I can't really sum up 5 years of training, courses and on the job, and assistance from a huge teams of people from different organizations in one posting, but I hope I can give you an idea of what it takes to develop something accessible. If you're interested the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0 [w3.org] is a good place to start reading.

              I'd also like to point out that AudioGuy is right, there's no one easy solution for laying out a page using CSS. Tables, or div's, would be the easiest way for a web dev to get things up and running easily. For the non-blind that works fine. If however you wanted to be inclusive, that method sucks for the blind, especially tables because of how they're parsed by screen readers. Tables are for spreadsheet data only where column and row headings are important.

              A good rule of thumb is if you turn CSS off the page should be readable (like a word document), if you're doing a lot of scrolling (past menus at the top of the page perhaps) your page is going to be annoying for a blind person to sit through. Ideally the "star" or "meat" of the page should be the first thing you see at the top with CSS turned off. It's not always possible, but when is anything ever ideal.

              If anyone's interested Firefox has an add-on called "Fangs". It's trivial to install and lets you right click on a page and select "view with fangs". It gives a pretty reasonable text representation of how content is read by a screen reader and includes the Headings List and Links List, which are two common ways I've seen blind people navigate through a page.

              Jaws is the screen reader the Canadian National Institute for the Blind (CNIB) recommends to the visually impaired on a budget. I'm not using "visually impaired" as politically correct term, it includes people who are blind and people have low level vision. Jaws has a demo version that's good for something like 30 minutes after which it stops working, every restart give you another 30 minutes. It's not bad for development purposes, but it's windows only and the first time I installed it, it really Fucked up my display settings.

              I'm not visually impaired, but I have friends at the CNIB and have heard them speak at events demoing assertive technologies. Smartphones as an example have made significant improvements in their lives, GPS really helps them get around, accessible bus schedules, wireless lights, on-line bills (it's apparently quite the pain to get a bill in braille, buy you can get your phone to read it to you out of the box).

              The lights is kind of a funny story, The CNIB guy that spoke at an event said it really got on his nerves when people would come visit him and run around his apartment turning on the lights, because they couldn't see, then they'd leave and leave all the lights on. Apparently he had the lights on for over a month once before he got his power bill. Now he has some wireless LEDs that are on a timer to turn off, so if for some reason the lights are on, his phone will turn them off. He said before that most blind people would just take the light bulbs out of the sockets to keep their friends form mindlessly turning on the lights, they'd have to ask or note the light wasn't working.

              After Note: I have to stop here, it took me 2.5 hours, just skimming the page, to come up with the following and I have to get some work done.

              /* onto the content*/

              Navigating a page for the blind is different than it is for the non-blind.

              No way they'd sit through just a reading of the Soylent page, which might be read kind of like:

              "Page has twenty-one headings and one hundred forty-seven links SoylentNews colon SoylentNews is people dash Internet Explorer Heading level one Link SoylentNews List of five items bullet Link Graphic Security bullet Link Graphic Science bullet Link Graphic Code bullet Link Graphic Software bullet Link Graphic slash dev slash random List end Heading level two SoylentNews is people Heading level four Navigation List of ten items bullet Link About bullet Link FAQ bullet Link Journals bullet Link Messages bullet Link Topics bullet Link Authors bullet Link Older Stuff bullet Link Past Polls bullet Link Submit Story bullet Link Create Account slash Log In List end Heading level four SoylentNews You should update your organisation template and put some links here linking back to your site. Heading level four Link Launch News Welcome to Soylent News. As we're stil in alpha dash test, these articles cover much of what's going around in the site Necessary Reading colon List of four items bullet Link Welcome to SoylentNews! bullet Link Reworking Moderation Access bullet Link Massive Site Progress dash Status for two slash sixteen bullet Link Welcome to the World of Tomorrow... "

              I'm already annoyed and we haven't even gotten to the content for the page yet.

              "Link Graphic Security bullet Link Graphic Science" would be especially annoying. We read it as Link Graphic Security, but if a screen reader was sorting and reading by links "Link graphic Security Link graphic Science..." would be read as Link, Link, Link, Link, Link with no description about what the link is. I'd use CSS to hide link text and replace it with an image so it'd look like

              HTML

              <div id="science_link"><a href="...">Science</a></div>

              CSS

              div#science_link {
                  width: (however big your image is)px;
                  height: (however big your image is)px;
                  background-image: url("URL_to_image");
                  background-repeat: no-repeat;
              }
              div#science_link a{
                  display: none;
              }

              Then it'd be read as "Link Science" and would also be read if the page was sorted by links, but to non-blind it'd be the image.

              The blind might try to skip around by headings, but most untrained web devs use headings as decoration rather than an index/table of contents.

              As an example with the Soylent site. We have
              H 1 SoylentNews
              H 2 SoylentNews is people
              H 4 Navigation
              H 4 SoylentNews
                  .
                  .
                  .
              H 3 South Korean Banks Punished for ID Theft

              H4:Navigation and H4:SoylentNews are actually helpful, they're probably the two options I'm most likely to choose, but they sit at the H4 level, BELOW the actual content at the H3 level. Actually you don't even need H4:SoylentNews, because you have H2:SoylentNews right above H4:Naviation.

              So there's 10 items I have to sit through before I can get to the content, and if it was read as a table of contents it wouldn't make any sense. Imagine that being read as one of those annoying phone menus.

              "Welcome to SoylentNews, SoylentNews is people! Please chose one of the following options.
              press 1 for Navigation
              press 2 for SoylentNews
              press 3 for Launch News
              press 4 for Poll
              press 5 for Most Recent Journal Entries;
              press 6 for Login
              press 7 for Older Stuff
              press 8 for Quick Links
              press 9 for South Korean Banks Punished for ID Theft... You've selected South Korean Banks Punished for ID Theft.

              Welcome to SoylentNews, SoylentNews is people! Please chose one of the following options.
              press 1 for Navigation
              press 2 for SoylentNews
              press 3 for Log In
              press 4 for Related Links
              press 3 for South Korean Banks punished for ID Theft... You've selected South Korean Banks punished for ID Theft

              South Korean Banks Punished for ID Theft posted by Link Dopefish on Tuesday February eighteen at five colon...."

              It is a little different for the visually impaired. My friends at CNIB often have the reading speed on their screen readers turned up so fast I can't understand what it's saying, they can also tab through the headings. When the headings are arranged in a meaningful index they can have only H1's read to them or only H2's (where most relevant content should be)

              Soylent news is kind of all over the map in terms of Headings and the headings really don't have much relation to the content. Except for the story headings, which sit at the H3 level, which really isn't so bad. If I had the page read by heading level it'd be H1:SoylentNews H2:SoylentNews is people H3:Story heading, but at the speed my CNIB friends browse, they'd probably hear Heading level 1 SoylentNews Heading level 2 Soylen... I've already heard SoylentNews, skip to the next level two heading.

              It's very general and there's a lot missing here, but a nicer way to layout the page might be something like:

              <body>

              /* Quick Skip menu, hidden by CSS, allowing navigation to relevant information on the page. It's not in the headings so if the page is in Heading list mode it isn't read, but provides quick navigation to where the primary content and navigation elements are on the page. The default for screen readers is to read the page from top to bottom, you have to use quick keys to change sorting mode to heading or links, on every page, so it's convenient to have this quick skip menu. */

              <div id="skip">
              <ul>
              <li id="skip1"><a href="#cont">Skip to main content</a></li>
              <li id="skip2"><a href="#nav">Skip to secondary menu</a></li>

              /* you could also add stuff like the poll here, but try to keep it short and relevant otherwise you defeat the purpose of having a quick skip menu*/
                      <li id="skip3"><a href="#poll">Skip to poll</a></li>
              </ul>
              </div>

              /* The content for the page should be noted somehow using an H1 tag, because H1 tags will be the first thing a blind person will listen to to get a high level overview of the pages content and find relevant information */

              <h1 id="cont">Daily News (or some other title that describes the following content is the meat of the page)</h1>

              /* Story titles should be h2 tags because they're the most important part of the page I'd want to be able to tab through the list, it might be nice to also link the titles to the summary page, but linking "comments(241)" is also ok because it's descriptive of what the link is for. "Read more..." not so much. Read more what? comments, read more of the summary, read more of the article? */

              <h2>South Korean Banks Punished for ID Theft</h2>
              <h2>Nanomotors Inside Living Cells For The First Time </h2>
              .
              .
              . /* And here we have it the navigation menu, which I think is what this whole comment is about. The reason the menu comes after the content is because to a blind person they don't want to read the damn thing at the top of every page. They know where they are, they want to read the content. don't make them sit through a phone menu every time a page loads or is refreshed. Also notice the use of the "nav" tag, assistive technologies and modern browsers take advantage of this so it's good practice to use it. */

              <nav role="navigation"><h2 id="wb-nav">Navigation menu</h2>
              <h3 class="top-section"><a href="/index-eng.php" title="Bedford Institute of Oceanography">SoylentNews</a></h3>
              <ul>
              <li><a href="...">About</a></li>
              <li><a href="...">FAQ</a></li>
              <li><a href="...">Journals</a></li>
              .
              .
              .
              </ul>
              .
              .
              .
              </body>

              • (Score: 1) by bspar on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:12PM

                by bspar (973) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:12PM (#1641)

                That was great of you to take your time to go over all of that! I hope the admins can get around to reading your comment - I sure learned something this morning :)

                • (Score: 1) by Vanderhoth on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:41PM

                  by Vanderhoth (61) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:41PM (#1656)

                  Thanks, I've been in on SoylentNews from the beginning. Mostly offering advice for if we decided, or decide, to turf SlashCode. I couldn't get it running because it uses an outdated version of perl and mod_perl for Apache. I'm not a perl guy.

                  A site like this could be quite a nightmare, a lot of different people using a lot of different technologies with a lot of different browsers. Mobile, desktop, tablet, CSS on/off, JavaScript (glad they're staying away from JS for the moment), security, databases, backend language there's a lot to consider.

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          • (Score: 2) by AudioGuy on Tuesday February 18 2014, @06:41AM

            by AudioGuy (24) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 18 2014, @06:41AM (#1446) Journal

            Why would a table cell be any different than a div for someone who is blind? I am not blind, but one way I judge this sort of thing is by how Lynx handles it, and I do not remember any signifcant problems with a simple 1 row 3 cell table that would be different than the same structure using divs.

            For me the bigger problem is the extreme amount of repeated stuff on most modern sites at the very top of the screen. You have to scroll forever to get to the main text.

            • (Score: 1) by Vanderhoth on Tuesday February 18 2014, @10:43AM

              by Vanderhoth (61) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @10:43AM (#1517)

              Tables are read by screen readers as "Table Col 1, row 1 [content], Col 1, row 2 [content], Col 2, row 1 [content], Col 2, row 2 [content], Col 3, row 1 [content], Col 3, row 2, [content]" it headers are set they're read as well. The advantage being you can have the Col row read back to you if you're lost in the table. Div tags aren't read by the screen reader. Short on time, gotta go.

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    • (Score: 2, Informative) by buswolley on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:18AM

      by buswolley (848) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:18AM (#1199)

      Actually I just found the link.
      However following the link gives me a SSL warning.

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  • (Score: 1) by danomac on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:21AM

    by danomac (979) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:21AM (#1202)
    I saw one of the submission bugs, but it mostly had to do with the human-check. It seems if you type it in incorrectly the check disappears. Reloading the page also didn't work, I had to redo everything from scratch. I think it got submitted, I don't see a submissions category under my user, but I haven't really had time to investigate a whole lot yet.

    Most of the bugs I've found are already on the tracker, like the firefox layout problems. Some windows overlap others which makes some things hard to see. The one I noticed was in the user section, I don't remember seeing that happen in the articles/comments sections.
  • (Score: 1) by ls671 on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:23AM

    by ls671 (891) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:23AM (#1204) Homepage

    Thanks!

    Is there something similar to firehose.pl?
    metamod?

    firehose.pl presents a 404 page while metamod.pl shows an "internal error" page.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by hemocyanin on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:25AM

    by hemocyanin (186) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:25AM (#1206) Journal

    I'm really impressed at how well you guys pulled this off, and I'm really pleased. I'm checking here before anything else -- used to be that's how I treated Slashdot.

    • (Score: 1) by TheGratefulNet on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:59AM

      by TheGratefulNet (659) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:59AM (#1380)

      yes, well done. going to give this new site a try and hopefully it will be around for the long run.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by umafuckitt on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:27AM

    by umafuckitt (20) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:27AM (#1208)

    Thanks for your hard work, NCommander!

  • (Score: 1) by siliconwafer on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:29AM

    by siliconwafer (709) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:29AM (#1213)

    Aye, my registration e-mail was marked as spam by gmail, but I found it in the spam folder.

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by hatta on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:42AM

    by hatta (879) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:42AM (#1224)

    Early on there was some talk about preserving UIDs. Is that still something you are doing?

    • (Score: 4, Funny) by vbraga on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:53AM

      by vbraga (683) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:53AM (#1230)

      Nonsense, I've went from 5 to 3! Keep it that way!

      • (Score: 1) by demonlapin on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:11AM

        by demonlapin (925) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:11AM (#1339) Journal
        Six to three, I'm loving it. Especially as I started reading in the 4-digit era but didn't sign up until well into the 6-digit...
        • (Score: 1) by mmontour on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:48AM

          by mmontour (1104) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:48AM (#1370)

          No change for me in base 10, but I did drop one binary digit (2208 to 1104).

        • (Score: 1) by cesarb on Tuesday February 18 2014, @11:24AM

          by cesarb (1224) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @11:24AM (#1534) Journal

          I started reading before there were UIDs, back when you didn't need to register. I thought the registration was a fad, so I only registered much later (5-digit UID starting with 1).

          Either that, or my memory is faulty; this all happened last century.

          • (Score: 1) by monster on Tuesday February 18 2014, @02:57PM

            by monster (1260) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @02:57PM (#1628) Journal

            Old time lurker/AC on Slashdot here, too. When I bothered to register, the user count already had 7 digits, later I lost the password and the authentication system didn't recognize the user nor email address (go figure).

            Where is the bug-tracker? The button to check if a username is available doesn't seem to work (nothing happens). Tested with Firefox, IE and Iceweasel.

    • (Score: 1) by dilbert on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:05AM

      by dilbert (444) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:05AM (#1237)

      I do not believe they will be preserving UID's. I've been wrong before though.

      IMO, New site, new management, new nicks/uids.

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Khyber on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:13AM

        by Khyber (54) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:13AM (#1341) Journal

        The option AFAIK is on the table but it doesn't really seem like the option is much desired. I know I certainly DGAF, though my UID was inside the last remnants of the golden age.

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        • (Score: 1) by mechanicjay on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:18PM

          by mechanicjay (7) <reversethis-{gro ... a} {yajcinahcem}> on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:18PM (#1553) Homepage Journal

          Yeah, there was a discussion on how we could make it work. I personally, kind of don't see the point. Like was said above, it's a new site -- let's embrace that and make it our own, let's not worry about some silly thing like a UID from a legacy system.

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  • (Score: 1) by TrumpetPower! on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:44AM

    by TrumpetPower! (590) <ben@trumpetpower.com> on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:44AM (#1225) Homepage

    Glitches notwithstanding, I'm impressed with this first day. It bodes well for the future.

    Well done!

    b&

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  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Non Sequor on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:50AM

    by Non Sequor (1005) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @12:50AM (#1228) Journal

    What's crawling on the newspaper in the story icon? I can't tell since it's low res, but my best guess is that it's a crawfish.

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    • (Score: 1) by lcklspckl on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:05AM

      by lcklspckl (830) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:05AM (#1238)

      A red mantis?

      • (Score: 1) by Non Sequor on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:30AM

        by Non Sequor (1005) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:30AM (#1262) Journal

        Maybe it's two scorpions.

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    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by stormwyrm on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:32AM

      by stormwyrm (717) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:32AM (#1264) Journal

      They're eyeglasses. It's a classic icon from the old Slashdot, and was in higher resolution back then, or was it more obvious back then because my screen in 1997 was only 800x600 at best, not 1920x1080 like it is today? I don't think I've seen that icon used on the original site in years; seems it went out of use long before the Dice acquisition.

      I wonder if they'll revive the old Bill Gates Borg icon for Microsoft stories; can't quite remember when that disappeared, probably around the time Gates announced his retirement.

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      • (Score: 1) by glyph on Tuesday February 18 2014, @02:05AM

        by glyph (245) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @02:05AM (#1286)

        IIRC they only changed the borg icon fairly recently. It was an anachronism to be sure... but that's the way we liked it.

        • (Score: 1) by LowID on Tuesday February 18 2014, @08:16AM

          by LowID (337) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @08:16AM (#1477)

          The replacement icon should be Sergey Brin wearing Google glasses. New website, we should keep up with the times.

          Oh, and first post on SN.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:00AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:00AM (#1323)

      I at first thought the icon was an elastic bandage with a metal clip. I had to look more intently to figure out that it's supposed to be a newspaper with a pair of eyeglasses.

  • (Score: 1) by rmdingler on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:10AM

    by rmdingler (1038) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:10AM (#1242)
    Having enjoyed the green line site, I look forward to a bit of protanopia.

    Great luck to you.

  • (Score: 1) by No Respect on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:11AM

    by No Respect (991) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:11AM (#1243)

    I only registered a couple of hours ago and the whole process was pretty smooth. The check-existing username provided no feedback, another screen showed an error (no details, sorry, forgot to jot it down exactly) and some of the user preferences have user-unfriendly prompts and/or descriptions (e.g. timezone setting). Getting the email confirmation and initial pw was very fast and error-free.

  • (Score: 1) by Optimus Prime on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:17AM

    by Optimus Prime (358) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:17AM (#1247)

    Yeah yesterday was a little rough signing up for the site. I couldn't validate in Firefox 27 that my username was available and hitting the submit button wouldn't refresh the page saying registration was successful. However I still got the email with my temp password and was able to finish setting the account up.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 18 2014, @02:46AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 18 2014, @02:46AM (#1309)

    Does this site have one?

    • (Score: 1) by demonlapin on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:14AM

      by demonlapin (925) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:14AM (#1345) Journal
      You're anon, why do you care?
      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by snailboat on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:45AM

        by snailboat (1095) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:45AM (#1367)

        Maybe they're waiting to sign up until they get an answer. (Or not. I have no idea.)

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 18 2014, @09:01PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 18 2014, @09:01PM (#1906)

          That is it, exactly. I am interested in registering, but want to know if I'll get spammed.

          • (Score: 1) by demonlapin on Tuesday February 18 2014, @11:05PM

            by demonlapin (925) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @11:05PM (#2008) Journal
            It's called mailinator, use it.
          • (Score: 1) by snailboat on Thursday February 20 2014, @03:29AM

            by snailboat (1095) on Thursday February 20 2014, @03:29AM (#3126)

            FWIW, right now I'm getting emails containing each day's stories. I didn't opt in, and I see no way to opt out.

            Luckily, the preferences do have a way to include my ICQ UIN! Yippee!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:54PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 18 2014, @01:54PM (#1602)

        You're anon, why do you care?

        Glad to see we get non-sequiturs also on this new site...

  • (Score: 1) by Kawumpa on Tuesday February 18 2014, @08:10AM

    by Kawumpa (1187) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @08:10AM (#1476)

    Great work so far, keep it up! :-)

  • (Score: 1) by anonymouse on Tuesday February 18 2014, @10:08AM

    by anonymouse (910) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @10:08AM (#1504)

    Noticed the following issues with moderation:

    1. Each time I mod a comment, The page reloads and goes to the top. I have to search where I was
    2. After the last mod point was spent, the following was displayed on the top:

    +1 (Funny) Re:I hope people will test modding down as well as (110-1251, 0 points left)
    user can't moderate comment user can't moderate (repeats a few dozen times)

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by chown on Tuesday February 18 2014, @10:42AM

    by chown (1227) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @10:42AM (#1515)

    Good job with this site!

    This is not directly related to the article, but I want to mention this somewhere: does anyone know if there is a copy of the content on slashdot somewhere for archival? Don't know if www.archive.org contains every single post from slashdot. I'm asking because like a lot of you, I've immensely enjoyed slashdot over the years, and it would suck to find out that the content got destroyed accidentally (or deliberately) a month after Dice pulled the plug on slashdot.

    • (Score: 1) by chown on Tuesday February 18 2014, @10:45AM

      by chown (1227) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @10:45AM (#1518)

      Oh Heavens Be Praised! It's great to see a "plain old text" option (that too the default) right next to the submit button! As opposed to the click-and-wait on slashdot's current incarnation.

  • (Score: 1) by sbgen on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:32PM

    by sbgen (1302) on Tuesday February 18 2014, @03:32PM (#1652)

    Thanks for the site and congratulations on launching it successfully. Wanted to point out a couple of things I noticed while registering:
    --The form kept saying I am behind a proxy and some security measure is breaking when I tried to register. It did prompt me to go back and retry which did not work either.
    --Some how registered (with a new password via e-mail) but havent been able to change password so far. Will try later.

    sbgen

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