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posted by mattie_p on Saturday February 22 2014, @05:00PM   Printer-friendly [Skip to comment(s)]
from the really-old-news dept.

drgibbon writes:

"Edward Snowden was interviewed for German television in late January. The interview took place in Russia, and while most western media outlets seem to be showing a 15-minute version, full 30-minute versions are available from LiveLeak and the Internet Archive.

The transcript is available from the broadcaster (NDR)."

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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by physicsmajor on Saturday February 22 2014, @05:39PM

    by physicsmajor (1471) on Saturday February 22 2014, @05:39PM (#4880)

    The linked transcript is great, but is there a version where the cuts made by US media are noted?

    I'm keenly interested in what the US media deemed wasn't worthy for the public eye. I think it would be VERY enlightening, and if different sources magically all ended up making the same cuts...

    • (Score: 3) by hemocyanin on Saturday February 22 2014, @05:43PM

      by hemocyanin (186) on Saturday February 22 2014, @05:43PM (#4881) Journal

      It wouldn't be too hard for someone to listen to the US version while reading the transcript and mark the missing parts. Am I motivated enough before coffee? Yes. Check back in an hour.

      • (Score: 5, Interesting) by hemocyanin on Saturday February 22 2014, @06:31PM

        by hemocyanin (186) on Saturday February 22 2014, @06:31PM (#4906) Journal

        The video on Dateline is taken down, but a transcript is up. I did a quick comparison between the Dateline and Liveleak version and posted it here:

        http://nothingchanged.org/snowdenTranscriptCompare .pdf [nothingchanged.org]

        On further reflection, maybe the video isn't taken down -- I'm in the US and this an Australian site and maybe they just won't let me watch.

        • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday February 22 2014, @06:39PM

          by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday February 22 2014, @06:39PM (#4910) Homepage

          The most damning bits in my opinion are the extent of German security services' involvement with the Five Eyes' spying programs, the extent and duration of spying on chancellors and other world leaders, and industrial espionage. Interesting, but not new if you've been keeping up with the leaks. Firms like Booz Allen Hamilton are for-profit companies directly benefiting from the security state, and that they take our tax dollars and throw them right back at congress to get even more of what they want is a disturbing cycle which must be broken.

          I'm wringing my grubby hands in anticipation of more document leaks about industrial espionage, and who exactly benefits from it. Also, good job on the site. I'm happy to be here.

        • (Score: 5, Informative) by hemocyanin on Saturday February 22 2014, @07:04PM

          by hemocyanin (186) on Saturday February 22 2014, @07:04PM (#4916) Journal

          Here is a side-by-side version of the same comparison document -- may be easier to see the differences. Of particular not, Dateline changed Snowden's words.

          Q: So it was a short adventure.
          A (German): It's a short adventure.
          A (Australian): Yes.

          It has the same meaning, but, it is also plainly manipulated, and one wonders if the answers in the AU version that don't appear in the German version are also manipulated, perhaps more deceptively.

          http://nothingchanged.org/snowdenTranscriptCompare _sideBySide.pdf [nothingchanged.org]

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by maxwell demon on Saturday February 22 2014, @09:08PM

            by maxwell demon (1608) on Saturday February 22 2014, @09:08PM (#4954) Journal

            I've now listened to the video embedded in the NDR page linked from the summary (it says "Germany only" beyond the video, so you probably cannot get it) and at the same time reading the comparison PDF. The German version is very close to the transcript (I think it's close enough that the few small deviations are genuine mistakes — in no case I did recognize a changed meaning). Where the Australian version differs from the German one in the formulation, the German transcript formulation always is the one appearing in the video.

            Also note that the larger "added" text passages in the Australian version indeed all appear in the neighbouring yellow blocks, so they are not really additions.

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            The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
        • (Score: 3, Funny) by maxwell demon on Saturday February 22 2014, @08:15PM

          by maxwell demon (1608) on Saturday February 22 2014, @08:15PM (#4934) Journal

          Thanks for that.

          Anyway, I find it a bit ironic that it is hosted on the domain nothingchanged.org — after all it documents that actually something changed. ;-)

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          The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
        • (Score: 1) by sfm on Monday February 24 2014, @03:48PM

          by sfm (675) on Monday February 24 2014, @03:48PM (#5890)

          One of the most interesting points Snowden brought out in the interview was in response to the suggestion (given by MANY high profile politicians) that he should come back to the U.S and face a Fair trial.

          Snowden indicated it would not be an open and fair trial as the the crimes of which he is accused, force the trial to be behind closed doors and he is unlikely to ever see a jury of his peers.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by randmcnatt on Saturday February 22 2014, @06:01PM

    by randmcnatt (671) on Saturday February 22 2014, @06:01PM (#4888)

    If you or I were caught breaking federal laws the outcome would include fines and, most likely, handcuffs and prison time. None of this "we didn't really spy on citizens because we didn't mean to, so everything is OK, and we'll try not to get caught doing it again."

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Nerdfest on Saturday February 22 2014, @06:10PM

    by Nerdfest (80) on Saturday February 22 2014, @06:10PM (#4894)

    I watched this when it came out, and it's worth the time. He's quite a bright, insightful guy and if more 'average citizens' watched this, I think there would be a little more awareness and widespread outrage at what's going on.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by mrbluze on Sunday February 23 2014, @04:16AM

      by mrbluze (49) on Sunday February 23 2014, @04:16AM (#5072) Journal

      The interview is a valuable piece of history. I'm glad it has made it to soylent :)

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