Stories
Slash Boxes
Comments

SoylentNews is people

posted by LaminatorX on Tuesday March 11 2014, @05:47AM   Printer-friendly
from the hot-rod-Lincoln dept.

carguy writes:

"Detroit. The passing of William Clay Ford marks the end of an era here in the Motor City. Mr. Ford, 88, who passed away on Sunday, served as Director Emeritus for the Ford Motor Company and was the last surviving grandchild of the company's founder, Henry Ford.

Mr. Ford loved the car business, serving the company for 57 years as an employee and board member, more than half of the company's 110-year history. He particularly loved the design aspect of this business, with the Lincoln Continental Mark II his lasting contribution to the stable of significant cars in the company's history.

Full editorial here, http://www.autoextremist.com/current/2014/3/10/a-m ost-remarkable-legacy.html with many other interesting comments.

If you are part of the middle class, particularly in the USA, you probably owe something to Henry Ford for raising assembly line pay to $5/day. This meant that his employees could afford to buy a Ford car. Pretty much unheard of at any of the other car companies of that era--and certainly a game changer socially and economically. How many centuries of bosses (kings, nobles, priests) and peons did it take before someone funded a middle ground?"

Related Stories

Future Cars - Transportation Appliance vs. Dreams of the Open Road 39 comments

Soylent has discussed the Autoextremist before -- a nearly-rabid defender of Detroit and the independence fostered by wide automobile use in USA.

http://www.autoextremist.com/current/2016/2/1/the-end-of-cardolatry-part-ii.html

His editorial this week is full of pull quotes, here are just a few,

I had a conversation with one of the most influential chief executives in this industry about this very subject last week, and he expressed much trepidation about the agenda being put forth by the Connected, Autonomous, Ride-Sharing Imperative Zealots, as I refer to them, because it will impact all of us, whether we want to go along for the ride or not.

The country is racing headlong into an abyss of bleak unfamiliarity when it comes to our transportation fleet, and the fundamental rift between the "Zealots" and the "Realists" will only grow more intense over time. As I said last week, this means that there will be a clear demarcation going forward that will be cause for much consternation, on both sides.

and

And it must be stated that there is a fundamental sense of individualism in this country and a freedom of mobility that goes with it, and it has helped define who we are as a nation. We, as Americans, love to wander, and on our own terms too. And it remains a powerful force to this day.

The quaint notion that a small segment of Zealots would deign to disrupt this sense of wander, completely ignoring its power as an essential part of the American experience, is flat-out crazy. But then again, the Zealots are unable to see the sheer folly of this notion because they're being completely dismissive of the Realists, suggesting that any discussions of "an essential part of the American experience" are merely the lunatic ravings of a hoary segment of society that should be marginalized, if not completely eliminated altogether. And as you can imagine, that train of logic is headed to a place that's nowhere good.

Prior to starting his website (which is not ad supported) about 15 years ago, he worked in the automotive advertizing/marketing business.


Original Submission

This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.
Display Options Threshold/Breakthrough Mark All as Read Mark All as Unread
The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.
  • (Score: 4, Informative) by GungnirSniper on Tuesday March 11 2014, @06:00AM

    by GungnirSniper (1671) on Tuesday March 11 2014, @06:00AM (#14504) Journal
    • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Taco Cowboy on Tuesday March 11 2014, @07:31AM

      by Taco Cowboy (3489) on Tuesday March 11 2014, @07:31AM (#14517)

      Do not ever forget, the forming of Ford Mustang was never under any of Henry Ford's grandchildren.

      In fact, other than the old man Henry Ford himself, all other "Fords" are nothing but idiots who think they were genius just because they were born with silver spoons in their mouth.

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by big_e on Tuesday March 11 2014, @08:18AM

      by big_e (2513) on Tuesday March 11 2014, @08:18AM (#14526)

      In Michigan William Clay Ford is definitely remembered more for being the owner of the Detroit Lions than for being an executive of an automaker. His legacy is that his lack of leadership resulted in a team being the one of the four that has never played in the Superbowl(tm), and only very rarely win a playoff game. Most Detroit Lions fans would see his death as an opportunity for a new owner to come in and rebuild the team.

      (Now were doing sports talk on Soylent?)

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 11 2014, @06:01AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 11 2014, @06:01AM (#14505)

    Ford didn't declare bankruptcy or get bailed out like GM and Chrysler in the crash of 2008. They did take 5+Billion in loans for Electric Vehicle Development, and are paying that back. Their creditors never got stiffed either.

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by John Yossarian on Tuesday March 11 2014, @06:56AM

      by John Yossarian (3093) on Tuesday March 11 2014, @06:56AM (#14511)

      Ford had basically gone bankrupt several years before the crash (see 2007 - 9.3 billion line of credit). GM and Chrysler didn't need to take loans since they were solvent leading into the crash of 2008. Timing is everything.

    • (Score: 2) by jt on Tuesday March 11 2014, @07:12AM

      by jt (2890) on Tuesday March 11 2014, @07:12AM (#14512)

      More luck than judgement. A few years before the 2008 crash everyone thought Ford was going to go bankrupt, and it's mostly luck that this put them ahead of the competition when everything else started falling down.

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 11 2014, @06:02AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 11 2014, @06:02AM (#14506)

    How ironic that the middle class is in the process of disappearing again. There are no jobs in America, not even if you're willing to work for peanuts. Corporate fat cats are wishing really hard that the unemployed former workforce would just die off already.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 11 2014, @12:43PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 11 2014, @12:43PM (#14601)

      > How ironic that the middle class is in the process of disappearing again.

      Exactly. William Clay Ford isn't really the point here except the fact that he's the last grandchild of Henry. While the rise of the middle class depended on many things, the original Ford Motor Company and the Model T played a pivotal role. Two long generations later the middle class is under attack. Where is the next Henry Ford? I don't see many parallels in the tech sector (Jobs, Ellison, Gates, etc). Or in medicine either.

      Do we need another Henry? Would he even be interested in the middle class today? He turned into a crazed union buster in his later years.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 11 2014, @07:22AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 11 2014, @07:22AM (#14515)

    Never owned a ford product in my entire life. Can't say the same for my relatives, though.

    • (Score: 4, Funny) by wonkey_monkey on Tuesday March 11 2014, @08:21AM

      by wonkey_monkey (279) on Tuesday March 11 2014, @08:21AM (#14529) Homepage

      Wow. That's... not interesting in the slightest.

      I've never owned a sandwich toaster but I don't go banging on about it whenever the opportunity presents.

      --
      systemd is Roko's Basilisk
      • (Score: 1) by fadrian on Tuesday March 11 2014, @02:51PM

        by fadrian (3194) on Tuesday March 11 2014, @02:51PM (#14668) Homepage

        You know, I've never owned a sandwich toaster, either. Nor a snow blower. Interesting, that, though it may just be I live in the Willamette Valley and have little need for a snow blower, given that it snows may be once or twice a year with the snowfall usually less than three inches. The sandwich toaster, on the other hand, is more of a personal preference thing - if I want tasty carmelization on my sandwich, I'd rather have it grilled than toasted and I have a nice griddle to do that. I've always considered sandwich toasters difficult to clean as well. However, I'm sure many of you have sandwich toasters (and snowblowers) and enjoy them immensely. Just not me.

        --
        That is all.
  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by VLM on Tuesday March 11 2014, @02:04PM

    by VLM (445) on Tuesday March 11 2014, @02:04PM (#14643)

    Lots of whitewashing of old Henry Ford, he was in summary a rich jackass who thought he could get away with anything if he paid enough money, and he was correct, with fairly predictable results.

    The social department, the service department, pretty messed up feudalistic outlook about his slaves, err, employes.

    Also he caught a lot of flack over antisemitism, and behaving basically as a nazi toady, for lack of a better description. Lots of love letters back and forth and famously he got a medal of service from the nazis.

    Part of the focus on his high salaries is because there's really not much else about him that is nice to discuss in public.

    I suppose the occasion of his last grand-kids death is not the most tasteful time to discuss his grandpa being, very literally, a nazi sympathizer or agent, but at least some balance is reasonable rather than implementing "brave new world" Ford-ism worship.

    • (Score: 1) by fadrian on Tuesday March 11 2014, @02:55PM

      by fadrian (3194) on Tuesday March 11 2014, @02:55PM (#14676) Homepage

      Henry was a bit of a nut and got worse over time. If I were Edsel, I would have shot the old man for what he did to me. That being said, the T was a great car for its day. A great book on Ford through the 1970's? The Reckoning [amazon.com] by David Halberstam.

      --
      That is all.