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posted by n1 on Tuesday May 13 2014, @04:26AM   Printer-friendly
from the chasing-the-cancer-cure-dragon dept.

Rare byproduct of marine bacteria kills cancer cells by snipping their DNA:

Yale University researchers have determined how a scarce molecule produced by marine bacteria can kill cancer cells, paving the way for the development of new, low-dose chemotherapies.

The molecule, lomaiviticin A, was previously shown to be lethal to cultured human cancer cells, but the mechanism of its operation remained unsolved for well over a decade. In a series of experiments, Yale scientists Seth Herzon, Peter Glazer, and colleagues show that the molecule nicks, cleaves, and ultimately destroys cancer cells' DNA, preventing replication.

"DNA is one of the primary targets of anticancer agents, and cleavage of both DNA chains is the most potent form of DNA damage," said Herzon, professor of chemistry. "But few anticancer agents are able to directly cleave DNA. The discovery that lomaiviticin A is capable of this suggests it could be very useful as a novel chemotherapy, possibly at low doses."

The abstract and paper can be found here.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Tuesday May 13 2014, @04:35AM

    by c0lo (156) on Tuesday May 13 2014, @04:35AM (#42536) Journal

    how a scarce molecule produced by marine bacteria can kill cancer cells

    <cynical mode="on">Lucky them... would the molecule be more pervasive, there'd be nothing they could do to prevent others producing generics, patent protection or not</cynical>

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  • (Score: 1) by EvilJim on Tuesday May 13 2014, @04:58AM

    by EvilJim (2501) on Tuesday May 13 2014, @04:58AM (#42539) Journal

    time to get back to smoking.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 13 2014, @06:30AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 13 2014, @06:30AM (#42556)

      Smokers are gay. You can tell because they have an oral fixation they satiate by sucking on phallic objects all day long.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 13 2014, @08:14AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 13 2014, @08:14AM (#42589)

        So lesbian smokers are closet hetero?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 13 2014, @05:28PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 13 2014, @05:28PM (#42810)

          It may surprise you to find out that there's no such thing as a lesbian. Or a straight woman. No matter how hard they try to convince themselves or you otherwise, all women are bisexual. Every last one.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 13 2014, @08:33AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 13 2014, @08:33AM (#42596)

        You can tell because they have an oral fixation they satiate by sucking on phallic objects all day long.

        If you phallus is as thin and long as a cigarette, I understand why you post AC.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Tuesday May 13 2014, @06:32AM

    by c0lo (156) on Tuesday May 13 2014, @06:32AM (#42557) Journal
    I committed the sin of RTFA... however, it did little to no help for me: nothing in it tells that wonderful molecule is doing acting specifically on cancer cells.

    Herzon says that researchers still do not know much about the nature of the interaction of lomaiviticin A with DNA, or the specific sequence of events that leads to DNA breaks.

    What is clear, Herzon said, is that "lomaiviticin A possesses powerful DNA-damaging properties."

    ...

    The paper is titled "The cytotoxicity of (-)-lomaiviticin A arises from induction of double-strand breaks in DNA."

    So, what does this have to do with cancer if the cytotoxicity is non-specific? How does letting loose Jack-the-Ripper inside your body makes the things better?

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    • (Score: 2) by tibman on Tuesday May 13 2014, @06:51AM

      by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 13 2014, @06:51AM (#42562)

      lol, i think that is where they just say "well, it would be a low dosage". That kills everything. This seems to have very little to do with cancer.

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    • (Score: 2) by stormwyrm on Tuesday May 13 2014, @08:04AM

      by stormwyrm (717) on Tuesday May 13 2014, @08:04AM (#42582) Journal

      My guess is that this substance is being considered as a cancer therapy perhaps because cancer cells multiply much more quickly than normal cells, and hence are affected more by toxins like this than normal cells are. All chemotherapy drugs are basically poisons, except that for various reasons they can kill cancerous cells somewhat faster than they kill normal cells, because cancerous cells have slightly different behaviour and properties that these drugs exploit. So with proper, regulated doses, the patient undergoing chemotherapy should at the end of the treatment have enough of their cancer cells destroyed while leaving enough of their normal cells intact for the patient to continue living. I'm not paying $32 to read the whole article, and I'm guessing that you haven't read anything but the abstract either, but I guess the scientists must explain further in the body of the article why they think it might work as a chemotherapy drug. It appears in the Yale University press release that is the first article link after all.

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      • (Score: 1) by turonah on Tuesday May 13 2014, @08:59AM

        by turonah (2317) on Tuesday May 13 2014, @08:59AM (#42602)

        Unfortunately, it looks like the article is strictly looking at the difference in cytotoxicity between (-)-lomaiviticin A, (-)-lomaiviticin C, and (-)-kinamycin C, rather than explaining *why* it would be an effective treatment for cancer (if, in fact, it is).

        This page, on the other hand, gives a pretty good overview of cytotoxicity as it's used for chemotherapy: http://www.patient.co.uk/health/chemotherapy-with- cytotoxic-medicines [patient.co.uk] (thanks, Google!). Apparently, hair, bone marrow, mouth, and gut cells also tend to divide rapidly (hence the hair loss, dry mouth, nausea, etc. that most patients suffer).

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by VLM on Tuesday May 13 2014, @12:05PM

      by VLM (445) on Tuesday May 13 2014, @12:05PM (#42663)

      "How does letting loose Jack-the-Ripper inside your body makes the things better?"

      Nobody tried to answer this yet?

      The only problem with cancer cells is they reproduce out of control. Nobody would much care if they just quietly sat there and never grew, basically a "sit in" civil disobedience. The analogy is a cancer is more like a riot that doubles in mass every week or something. That begins to be a bit of a problem after a year or two of wild uncontrolled replication.

      So just kill anything growing. If you're fat and overeating, presumably it would kill off your fat cells, what an interesting diet idea. Sucks to be a hair follicle but you don't need hair to live anyway. Other than blood (and you can get transfusions and marrow transplants later if necessary) there's not much in your body that needs to continually reproduce for you to stay alive. Your guts have some severe issues but you'd be surprised how long a human can live without food, especially if they start out stereotypically fat, and there's IV feeding, and just "blah" sugar water type stuff.

      Of course, if you get a paper cut, and any cell that tries to grow and close the wound is killed, and your white blood cells that cure infections are dying out, this can all go downhill rather quickly.

      • (Score: 2) by etherscythe on Wednesday May 14 2014, @12:10AM

        by etherscythe (937) on Wednesday May 14 2014, @12:10AM (#42972) Journal

        Fat cells do not multiply to eat up excess food intake - they simply balloon up to contain the extra mass. See what happens to people who have had liposuction or similar. When they get fat, they get fat everywhere except where they had fat cells removed.

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    • (Score: 1) by MozeeToby on Tuesday May 13 2014, @03:35PM

      by MozeeToby (1118) on Tuesday May 13 2014, @03:35PM (#42769)

      Virtually all cancer therapies rely on the fact that cancer cells are dividing out of control. If you could go into a cancerous human and kill every single cell that divides over a 24 hour period, you'd end up with a very sick person but one with very few living cancer cells. It's virtually certain that the damage occurs during the division process, the same way it does for radiation and current chemo treatments.

    • (Score: 1) by sbgen on Tuesday May 13 2014, @06:28PM

      by sbgen (1302) on Tuesday May 13 2014, @06:28PM (#42838)

      I **wanted** to read this article, the mechanism is of interest to me, Sad to say it is behind pay-wall, even inside from a university library (supported by taxpayers, including myself). The abstract says the article actually describes a pathway by which this chemical causes double-strand DNA breaks. There probably is data to indicate that the compound could be targeted to cancerous cells but I will have to read the paper first to say that. Essentially that will cost ~$30 for the library to get it for me.

      Let me shake my head again at that wall and sigh for our future progress.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by wonkey_monkey on Tuesday May 13 2014, @08:15AM

    by wonkey_monkey (279) on Tuesday May 13 2014, @08:15AM (#42590) Homepage

    What does this do to non-cancerous cells? If it does the same thing to them, then the wording seems a bit fluffy (presumably they'll have a way of targetting it at cancer if it ever makes it to proper testing).

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Tuesday May 13 2014, @09:28AM

    by GreatAuntAnesthesia (3275) on Tuesday May 13 2014, @09:28AM (#42609) Journal

    > DNA is one of the primary targets of anticancer agents, and cleavage

    Uh huhhuhhuhuh. Huhuh.

    Sorry.

    Back in the Victorian era people used to go and bathe in the sea to cure their ills, leading to the birth of the traditional British seaside holiday town. I wonder if this chemical (and possibly others as yet undiscovered) are the reason that the sea was thought to have restorative powers. Maybe this scarce chemical was less scarce back in those days, before pollution and overfishing had really started to affect marine environments.

    Another body of water thought to have the power to heal is the Ganges, which is is so heavily polluted that it really ought to be a toxic swamp by now. However it really does seem to have the ability to somehow mitigate the shit thrown into it and remain (more or less) drinkable. Maybe there is some other naturally occurring chemical in that river, similar to this one.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 13 2014, @11:00AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 13 2014, @11:00AM (#42633)

      Another body of water thought to have the power to heal is the Ganges, which is is so heavily polluted that it really ought to be a toxic swamp by now. However it really does seem to have the ability to somehow mitigate the shit thrown into it and remain (more or less) drinkable.

      Let's bottle Ganges water and sell it to queers as Steve Jobs drinkable curative urine.

    • (Score: 1) by Ezber Bozmak on Tuesday May 13 2014, @11:21AM

      by Ezber Bozmak (764) on Tuesday May 13 2014, @11:21AM (#42642)

      > I wonder if this chemical (and possibly others as yet undiscovered) are the reason that the sea was thought to have restorative powers

      Probably just the salt in the water. It kills certain kinds of bacteria.

      > However it really does seem to have the ability to somehow mitigate the shit thrown into it and remain (more or less) drinkable.

      Nah, that just sounds like hindu fundamentalism. Such denialism has been a major problem preventing the social outcry necessary to get the government there to start cleaning up the ganges. Kind of like how fundamentalist christians think god would never let humans harm the planet so global warming isn't anything to worry about.

      Fun fact: The word ganja comes from the name of the river, the correct pronunciation of ganges is very close to ganja (like gahn-gah).

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 13 2014, @12:02PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 13 2014, @12:02PM (#42659)

        fundamentalist christians think god would never let humans harm the planet

        Fundamentalist Christians don't believe in Free Will?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 13 2014, @03:51PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 13 2014, @03:51PM (#42778)

          If it's in consideration of behavior they disapprove of, they do.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 13 2014, @09:05PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 13 2014, @09:05PM (#42916)

          > Fundamentalist Christians don't believe in Free Will?

          Not a matter of free will, a matter of ability, as in there is nothing that humans can do that would harm the planet. Same thing with the Ganges - nothing people can do will make it unclean because dharma.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Fnord666 on Tuesday May 13 2014, @01:09PM

    by Fnord666 (652) on Tuesday May 13 2014, @01:09PM (#42685) Homepage

    The abstract and paper can be found here.

    Well, for $32 the paper can be found here. This is one of the things that always annoyed me about slashdot; posts that link to articles, papers, etc. behind a paywall. If the majority of the people can't RTFA, what's the point?

    • (Score: 2) by lhsi on Tuesday May 13 2014, @01:59PM

      by lhsi (711) on Tuesday May 13 2014, @01:59PM (#42719) Journal

      I post links to the full text of articles in some story submissions, and occasionally people still ask questions that are answered in the linked paper :-/

      • (Score: 1) by Fnord666 on Tuesday May 13 2014, @09:16PM

        by Fnord666 (652) on Tuesday May 13 2014, @09:16PM (#42920) Homepage

        I post links to the full text of articles in some story submissions, and occasionally people still ask questions that are answered in the linked paper :-/

        Sure, but then it's on them for not RTFA. Nothing really to be done about that.