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posted by LaminatorX on Sunday June 01 2014, @04:09AM   Printer-friendly
from the Cruel-Tuteliedge-of-Pai-Mei dept.

The One Inch Punch is an ancient martial arts move of kung-fu. In this popular mechanics article the neuroscience of the punch is explored.

While the biomechanics behind the powerful blow certainly aren't trivial, the punch owes far more to brain structure than to raw strength...

By the time the one-inch punch has made contact with its target, Lee has combined the power of some of the biggest muscles in his body into a tiny area of force. But while the one-inch punch is built upon the explosive power of multiple muscles, Rose insists that Bruce Lee's muscles are actually not the most important engine behind the blow.

"Muscle fibers do not dictate coordination," Rose says, "and coordination and timing are essential factors behind movements like this one-inch punch."

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by edIII on Sunday June 01 2014, @04:48AM

    by edIII (791) on Sunday June 01 2014, @04:48AM (#49816)

    I have firsthand experience of such a punch and it made me a believer, despite my skepticism that it could ever be done. Of course I saw the videos of Bruce Lee in action, but still had my doubts that anyone else could really pull it off. It was a Bruce Lee "thing" and nothing more.

    I'm a rather large man. 6"1' and 415lbs (at the time). This martial artist that I know spoke about such things and I was openly skeptical that any such means could be employed against a man my size and dimensions. He offered to demonstrate it on me. It really was quite a thing. While it didn't hurt all that much (it still hurt), I was lifted up on my toes and felt like I floated backwards about 6-7 feet away from him. I can understand if anyone refuses to believe it too, after all, the physics of it is crazy.

    It happened very fast, but his palm was not an actual inch away. Maybe about 4-5 inches is where it started. His feet were planted on the ground and there was no forward momentum of any kind to explain the generation of that force. It seemed like a motion traveled up from his feet, hips, and through his arms like a snake and within a split second his palm connected with my chest.

    Don't understand it, but I witnessed it firsthand. If I didn't see it so close like that, I still wouldn't believe it. I don't even want to imagine what he could do to an average guy around 180 lbs either. I was left with this distinct impression that this guy could bury anyone in the ground within a few seconds regardless of size.

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    • (Score: 2) by wonkey_monkey on Sunday June 01 2014, @04:48PM

      by wonkey_monkey (279) on Sunday June 01 2014, @04:48PM (#49937) Homepage

      felt like I floated backwards about 6-7 feet away from him.

      Therein lies the problem with anecdotes - or at least, when they're used as evidence. What it felt like is irrelevant. What's relevant is what actually happened.

      His feet were planted on the ground and there was no forward momentum of any kind to explain the generation of that force.

      Not sure I follow. There obviously was "forward momentum" involved. That is what a punch is, after all.

      His feet were presumably planted on the ground to prevent him being pushed backwards from the equal and opposite force as per Newton.

      I have firsthand experience of such a punch [...] It happened very fast, but his palm was not an actual inch away. Maybe about 4-5 inches is where it started.

      So not actually a one-inch punch at all, then?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 01 2014, @10:15PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 01 2014, @10:15PM (#50013)

        It's 4 to 5 inches, she just told all her friends it was one inch.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Mr. Slippery on Monday June 02 2014, @03:48AM

        by Mr. Slippery (2812) on Monday June 02 2014, @03:48AM (#50068) Homepage

        There obviously was "forward momentum" involved. That is what a punch is, after all.

        There's a difference between a punch where the puncher's center of mass has forward momentum, and a punch where the puncher's center of mass is relatively still but rotational momentum is generated by the legs and transferred by the hips to the torso, leading to forward momentum of the punching arm. For maximum power, of course, we want to combine the two, but when a fight has already gotten up close and personal, a striking artist needs the ability to develop significant power without moving their center of mass forward.

        So not actually a one-inch punch at all, then?

        "One inch punch" is something of an idiom. In demonstrations it's typical for a practitioner to place their fingertips on the target and then make a fist and launch from there, so we're talking a finger-length punch. Someone with Lee's talent and ability to devote themselves full-time to training could quite likely have a strong punch at one inch.

        • (Score: 2) by monster on Monday June 02 2014, @03:53PM

          by monster (1260) on Monday June 02 2014, @03:53PM (#50265) Journal

          There's a difference between a punch where the puncher's center of mass has forward momentum, and a punch where the puncher's center of mass is relatively still but rotational momentum is generated by the legs and transferred by the hips to the torso, leading to forward momentum of the punching arm. For maximum power, of course, we want to combine the two, but when a fight has already gotten up close and personal, a striking artist needs the ability to develop significant power without moving their center of mass forward.

          Pretty much this. As a martial artist myself, I assure you that like 80% of the force of a punch/kick comes from adding momentum from the rest of the body; it also gives balance to the punch, so even if you didn't hit, your body is still in a stable position. That's why the real "magic" of the one-inch punch is not in the muscles' mass but in how your brain coordinates them.

      • (Score: 2) by edIII on Monday June 02 2014, @06:21AM

        by edIII (791) on Monday June 02 2014, @06:21AM (#50104)

        I said felt like it because I didn't actually measure it. I was certainly more than an arms length away when I came to rest.

        As for the not a one-inch-punch, we both know we are talking about the same thing. Which, is the ability to impart an unusual and above average amount of force upon an object in a very short distance. 4-5 inches is pretty damn short. I never claimed it was the exact same as Bruce Lee, and I didn't ask for a follow up punch either from a closer distance, or go and get a measuring tape either.

        So I don't know what you are going on about with your pedantry.

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    • (Score: 2, Informative) by dvader on Monday June 02 2014, @12:11PM

      by dvader (1936) on Monday June 02 2014, @12:11PM (#50168)

      That is a pretty good description of it. I have both felt it and tried similar techniques to it. You don't even need 1 inch to generate the power since it is all about body mechanics. There's also nothing mysterious about it, it just requires practice.

      Basically, it is just a fast version of a push. You can practice it by putting one or both hands against a solid object or an opponent/friend and then simply pushing. Notice how your legs, waist, chest etc get involved when you push hard. To practice a punch, try to activate all those muscles from the bottom up. That is, start with pushing with the leg, then waist, back, chest etc and lastly arms. After a lot of practice, it becomes a "snake like" movement from the ground up as the parent described.

      • (Score: 1) by bootsy on Monday June 02 2014, @05:19PM

        by bootsy (3440) on Monday June 02 2014, @05:19PM (#50303)

        The way I best heard this described is that you don't push a car with your arms, you use your legs.

        There are in fact several different ways of generating force from a small distance. I've done 17 years worth of Wing Chun but Bruce Lee added a lot of fencing footwork and the like so his short range punch was slightly different to the stock Wing Chun punch although the "core" body muscles are involved along with the legs which are by far the post powerful muscles in body. Also don't forget that biceps slow a punch down and the muscle you want for punching is the tricep.

        It also depends on what you are trying to do, if you want to hurt someone with the hardest punch or make them stagger backwards. The technique is slightly different. Making someone stagger backwards can actually be done close range without even moving the arm or elbow at all. You simply walk forward and integrate the push with the back leg moving. A short range push from the legs causes you to lose balance and most people don't know how to recover from this so tend to stagger backwards quite some distance. It can look very impressive especially if the fall over at the end of it.

        If you then add extending the arm and trying to punch through the object you generate more power. If you snap the punch back immediately the force of the punch isn't lost as push action and the energy is absorbed more by the body and the soft flesh.

        Wrist flick is an interesting one, another response mentions it protects the joints which is true but it also has a pinning or deflecting action so even if the blow is blocked you can create space. Of course all the above assumes a passive non-reacting opponent which in real life is unlikely.

        Just like other muscle memory and co-ordination tricks it can be practised and mastered. There are different ways of doing it but they all involve integrating the muscle movements and suppressing the natural reaction of pulling the punch due to the short range.

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by jmc23 on Sunday June 01 2014, @04:49AM

    by jmc23 (4142) on Sunday June 01 2014, @04:49AM (#49817)

    You just need to ride the longest energy line in a short amount of time.

    When you drop your ego and your muscles are relaxed, there is no tension to interfere with intention and the body easily finds the most efficient path.

    Though I guess in the west, that may be harder to do than consciously micro-controlling each muscle in succession.

  • (Score: 1) by aristarchus on Sunday June 01 2014, @07:38AM

    by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday June 01 2014, @07:38AM (#49847) Journal

    Now let me get this straight: first we have a story from Popular Science, and now one from Popular Mechanics, both I imagine are links to click-bait, but really, why do I feel like I am in the 1950s? And this martial arts story has to be fake, since Chinese do not use inches (except for the Hong Kong, under British Imperial Measure). And were is the "Death touch" or Dim Mak? From the movie "Men Who Stare at Goats". You just tap someone on the forehead, and eventually they die! Works every time!

    (And yes, I know I should not complain about the quality of stories since I haven't actually submitted any myself, yet.)

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by CRCulver on Sunday June 01 2014, @08:47AM

      by CRCulver (4390) on Sunday June 01 2014, @08:47AM (#49853) Homepage

      When used in literature, the Chinese traditional unit of measurement cùn is often translated into English as 'inch', and it is indeedly roughly comparable as it is about 1.3 imperial inches.

    • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday June 01 2014, @09:04AM

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Sunday June 01 2014, @09:04AM (#49857) Homepage

      The "Touch of Death" does not work every time.

      Batman, a Samurai and student of Bushido, had a recurring opponent who was a ninja. The evil ninja got hold of a tome which contained the procedure for the ancient secret death touch, but Batman was smarter than that -- he broke into the ninja's dojo and took note of the indentations of a dummy on which the evil ninja had been practising the "Touch of Death." Then, during a climactic battle, the ninja used the "touch of death," poking Batman in the chest, and Batman instantly fell to the ground in sudden death.

      After the evil ninja laughed, Batman got back up and said, "Fuck you, I saw your dummy and put extra padding where that divot was...and now I'm gonna kick your ass!"

      And Batman kicked the evil ninja's ass.

      Batman fuckin' ROCKS!

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday June 01 2014, @01:21PM

        by c0lo (156) on Sunday June 01 2014, @01:21PM (#49893) Journal

        Batman fuckin' ROCKS!

        batman is a mask wearing wimp [schneierfacts.com]

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      • (Score: 1) by Wootery on Sunday June 01 2014, @06:19PM

        by Wootery (2341) on Sunday June 01 2014, @06:19PM (#49956)

        No-one ever expects to find a Batman parable.

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 01 2014, @11:05AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 01 2014, @11:05AM (#49871)

    For straight punches, such as this one, the wrist is twisted palm down at the and of the punch to prevent injury to the elbow ligaments.
    It is not done to add more force or impulse to the blow; if a fighter tells you otherwise it is because he is parroting what somebody else told him.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 01 2014, @03:56PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 01 2014, @03:56PM (#49924)

    what would be strange is that there exists a earth-dragon that can be summoned
    but only by one person on the whole planet at each time.
    just wondering how people would start "monopolizing" this time-sharing
    by keeping other people in the dark.

  • (Score: 2) by opinionated_science on Sunday June 01 2014, @11:28PM

    by opinionated_science (4031) on Sunday June 01 2014, @11:28PM (#50026)

    I'm sure they must have done something on this....