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posted by NCommander on Friday June 27 2014, @06:15PM   Printer-friendly
from the finally-an-NCommander-post-with-<1k-words! dept.
So, given we've recently managed to find a good middle ground on the subscription front, I thought it would be nice to end the week with a lighthearted subject most of you care about.

STATISTICS!

As most of you are likely aware, we've been running piWik on SN for the last few weeks to get a better idea of what our general traffic looks like. We've learned quite a few interesting things from it, and I figured the community would love to take a look at the report itself. So, without further ado: piWik Statistics Report for mid-June. (warning: PDF file, the HTML output had far too many images to easily copy it off piWik and rehost it somewhere else, and there was no ASCII report that I could find).
So, hopefully now most of you have taken a good look through the PDF. Its been fascinating watching the various trends of traffic, as well as getting an idea of the breakdown of mobile/desktop, various OS usage, and so-forth. First, a couple of notes:
  • For whatever reason, piWik groups Ubuntu separately from Linux, and it shows up as "Unknown" in the OS families list. I think this is a side-effect from one of the plugins we're using, but I'm not 100% sure.
  • Second, there are no referrals listed in the report; I specifically excluded them. There are two simple reasons: we get almost no inbound traffic from third-party sources (our top referral was Google searches at 114), and secondly, a fair number of users here have custom launch portals for themselves (basically an HTML page with links), who, due to our virtually non-existent referrals, show up in the top 25.
  • HTTPS traffic is excluded due to certificate issues, as there are users who have DNT set. If you use NoScript, it sets DNT automatically, even if you enable scripts globally. Furthermore, my original post about non-JS users being excluded was in error, there is a hidden image that cause those users to show up.
  • A few pages on the site don't include the footer template, causing hits to be slightly lower than they should be because of that.

So, with any bunch of data, we can start to draw some reasonable conclusions from it. Here's what I got, I'd love to hear your opinions below:

  • Slashcode's internal statistics monitor is badly out of touch of reality; it reports our traffic is 80% higher than piWik does. This might be an artificat of bitrot, varnish, or something else entirely.
  • I was kinda shocked to see how much of our traffic is based in the United States, I honestly though we had a more even distribution.
  • The lack of referrals is concerning; right now, we're roughly stable with the users in our community, but if you don't already know we exist, you aren't going to find us easily.

There's probably a lot more I could draw from this data, but I don't want to color the communities' impressions beside stating the obvious, so I'd like to hear what you think about it, and then go from there.

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  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @06:26PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @06:26PM (#60971)

    Obvious conclusion: people have more time when at work, and many companies force to use Windows.

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @06:32PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @06:32PM (#60980)

      That's what I was going to say.

      Typical SN: Uses Win7 work comp (with Firefox) to cruise the site during the work week.

      That's pretty much my use case, except I'm still stuck using an XP machine here.

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by Alfred on Friday June 27 2014, @07:27PM

        by Alfred (4006) on Friday June 27 2014, @07:27PM (#61019) Journal

        >I'm still stuck using an XP machine here.

        Wow, the IRS will let you use firefox!!??

      • (Score: 2) by frojack on Friday June 27 2014, @08:15PM

        by frojack (1554) on Friday June 27 2014, @08:15PM (#61061) Journal

        Well at least use of MSIE is down there in the weeds with mobile browsers, so people are learning SOMETHING as time goes own. I'm convinced MSIE is mostly used by soccer moms these days. Everybody else has finally gotten the message.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @07:08PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @07:08PM (#61000)

      I had no idea anybody still used Windows outside of business accounting / CRM. The horror!

    • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Friday June 27 2014, @09:36PM

      by maxwell demon (1608) on Friday June 27 2014, @09:36PM (#61111) Journal

      Indeed, the weekly variation seem to come exclusively from Windows 7, going low on Weekends. All other operating systems show a more or less flat curve.

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @06:26PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @06:26PM (#60972)

    > Slashcode's internal statistics monitor is badly out of touch of
    > reality; it reports our traffic is 80% higher than piWik does. This
    > might be an artificat of bitrot, varnish, or something else entirely.

    I'd bet a lot of that is due to not tracking https users. If there is one demographic that is going to use https, it is the one right here. When you guys turned it on, I changed my bookmark and so all of my activity here since then has been https.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by lhsi on Friday June 27 2014, @06:30PM

      by lhsi (711) on Friday June 27 2014, @06:30PM (#60978) Journal

      I do most my browsing via https too, and I think I'm somewhat active.

    • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday June 27 2014, @06:58PM

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Friday June 27 2014, @06:58PM (#60992) Homepage

      Wasn't piWik supposed to be a voluntary thing? We have a lot of paranoids (and lazy people like me) here who aren't too hot with the idea of installing monitoring software on our computers. It stands to reason that, if people are reluctant to install piWik, then the results between the two aren't gonna jibe.

      Or maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, and somebody could provide a better explanation?

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by NCommander on Friday June 27 2014, @07:13PM

        by NCommander (2) Subscriber Badge <michael@casadevall.pro> on Friday June 27 2014, @07:13PM (#61007) Homepage Journal

        piWik is a server side package that tracks users via a bit of code at the bottom of every page load (you can see it with View Source). You can opt-out of it via the link on the FAQ page or in the site news bar, or by setting your DNT header.

        --
        Still always moving
        • (Score: 1) by Justin Case on Tuesday July 01 2014, @12:21PM

          by Justin Case (4239) on Tuesday July 01 2014, @12:21PM (#62425) Journal

          Because the https RSS feed still gives links as http, I hand-edit the URL back to https before loading it. My browser does not load http objects into an https page, because that would leak data via the referer header.

          And you shouldn't have to even ask if I'm going to give the big bad world control of my browser. No scripts for me thank you.

          So, you're not going to see me in piWik, not even with your <noscript><p><img src="http://stats.soylentnews.org/piwik/piwik.php?idsite=1"...

          Try your web logs! (Does anyone still know they exist?)

          Also, you'll have no way to measure how long I stay on the page. A few zeros will pull down an average pretty quickly.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @08:03PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @08:03PM (#61043)

        > Or maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, and somebody could provide a better explanation?

        Story of your life dude, perfectly summed up in one sentence.

        • (Score: 1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday June 27 2014, @08:57PM

          by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Friday June 27 2014, @08:57PM (#61082) Homepage

          Gargle on my balls, sacksuck.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @09:57PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @09:57PM (#61132)

            > Gargle on my balls, sacksuck.

            And that is why your claim to be a "professional troll" is just a delusion.
            Professionals don't lose their shit when they get pwned by an amateur.

    • (Score: 2) by frojack on Friday June 27 2014, @08:20PM

      by frojack (1554) on Friday June 27 2014, @08:20PM (#61062) Journal

      The other unbelievable stat was the length of a visit being 10 seconds.

      You can't even read the first story in 10 seconds, so I suspect there is something amiss in measuring the dwell time or tying subsequent page views to the same visit session.

      With so many people using tabbed browsers these days, I suspect lots of people read the main page, and open interesting stories in tabs, and maybe reply in a third tab, and each is showing up as less a separate than 10 second visit.

      Either that or a lot of people, look, see no new stories, and bail out.

      --
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      • (Score: 1) by lentilla on Saturday June 28 2014, @06:06AM

        by lentilla (1770) on Saturday June 28 2014, @06:06AM (#61268)

        The other unbelievable stat was the length of a visit being 10 seconds.

        That's what happens when the boss walks past and you scramble to close the browser.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by lhsi on Friday June 27 2014, @06:28PM

    by lhsi (711) on Friday June 27 2014, @06:28PM (#60974) Journal

    Low visits on weekends is kinda expected. Are less stories posted then due to less traffic? To save stories for the week?

    There have been some days that over half the stories only matter to people from the US. Do you think this could be driving away people from other countries?

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Woods on Friday June 27 2014, @07:01PM

      by Woods (2726) <woods12@gmail.com> on Friday June 27 2014, @07:01PM (#60994) Journal

      Yes, fewer stories are posted during the weekends.

      We do not want to be US-centric, but if a bunch of US stories come down the wire, then that is what we have to work with.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday June 27 2014, @07:04PM

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Friday June 27 2014, @07:04PM (#60996) Homepage

      People from other countries should be submitting less American-centric stories if they feel that they're being shortchanged. It would also be a good idea to let it be known that they are foreign to establish credibility of a foreigner's perspective if they lend one with a comment. The staff here have been welcoming and encouraging, but Soylent News is people and so the underrepresented need to step up more.

      Or, and I know everybody is probably going to hate this idea, but perhaps SN (like some boards of 4chan) could allow registered users to set their national flag so it appears as an icon next to their username.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Nerdfest on Friday June 27 2014, @07:08PM

        by Nerdfest (80) on Friday June 27 2014, @07:08PM (#61001)

        I'm actually pretty surprised at the number of stored relating to Canada. perhaps I just notice them as I'm Canadian, but it definitely seems to be a respectable percentage.

        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @08:06PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @08:06PM (#61044)

          Don't be surprised, Canada is the 51st state after all.

      • (Score: 1) by jelizondo on Saturday June 28 2014, @02:46AM

        by jelizondo (653) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 28 2014, @02:46AM (#61230) Journal

        Can you read anything other than English?

        No? There you go...

        Not trolling but the joke is: what do you call a person who speaks two languages? A = bilingual. What do you call a person who speaks three languages? A = trilingual. What do you call a person who only speaks one language? A = Gringo.

        Cheers and all that!

    • (Score: 2) by LaminatorX on Friday June 27 2014, @07:31PM

      by LaminatorX (14) <reversethis-{moc ... ta} {xrotanimal}> on Friday June 27 2014, @07:31PM (#61022)

      Fewer stories are posted on the weekends because fewer stories are submitted on the weekends. It's as simple as that. :)

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by janrinok on Friday June 27 2014, @07:47PM

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 27 2014, @07:47PM (#61034) Journal

      The main reason for there being fewer posts over the weekend is that we receive fewer submissions, not because there are fewer members visiting the site. If the submission rate were to stay the same as during the week then the stories would go out at exactly the same rate also. To be honest, although we can see the reduction in both page hits and comments at weekends, we are less driven by those figures than we are by the number of submissions available to us.

      The submissions start to drop off around mid-day Eastern US time on a Friday. It is not, of course, a sudden stop but a gradual slowing down. So whatever we have in the queue at the end of the US working day is often the vast majority of what we have to play with over the weekend. We will get a few more subs over the weekend but not a large number. The editorial team is geared up, when the submission queue gets critically low, to start collecting stories themselves but, even so, the eds also want to enjoy at least some of the weekend and they have the usual personal and social commitments. Another cause of the lower output is that it is SN editorial policy that editors do NOT release stories that they themselves have submitted. So, having collected stories ourselves, we are still reliant on another editor to release them to the story list. While this might seem an unnecessary burden, it does prevent any abuse of the system by editors. There are exceptions to this rule e.g. an alert requiring software be updated immediately (compromised encryption etc) or events that are of such importance that they need to be pushed out immediately.

      In an ideal world, the submissions would pick up again first thing each Monday morning but this is not the case. It is often well into Monday afternoon before the submissions begin to flow at anything like a reasonable rate. This is reasonable - on returning to work there is often much to be done before anyone has time to make a submission. So there is a 60 hour or so period when there are few submissions for us to work with.

      There is no way we could 'save stories for the coming week', even if we wanted to. Very often we can be scraping the barrel by Sunday afternoon and evening - a fact that some have commented on in no uncertain terms - and it is unfortunate that for some stories at least the quality suffers. We have increased the number of editors over the last week or two and this has been a considerable help in manpower terms, but the bottom line is that we need submissions in order to keep the front page filled. This is, without doubt, a much harder nut to crack.

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      • (Score: 2) by lhsi on Friday June 27 2014, @08:33PM

        by lhsi (711) on Friday June 27 2014, @08:33PM (#61068) Journal

        I've submitted 9 today and have a couple more, but that's only a quarter of the weekend needs assuming 20 a day. Less if you include half of Monday as the weekend. I think that's the most I've submitted in one day so far.

        I think just posting slightly less stories at weekends is fine, even of it's only been happening due to lack of stories. If SN posts links to news for discussion, there is going to be less at weekends as less news in general is going to be posted at weekends. It being the summer in the northern hemisphere doesn't help as, in the UK at least, less stuff to report on happens.

        What could help is getting a backlog of non "news" topics and using them as a regular "feature" at weekends. For example, every Saturday at 11am gmt post a book review, every Saturday at 6pm post a film review. These can be collected over time so you always have something to post. And it doesn't matter that it was written a few weeks ago as it is original content so unlikely to be 'stale'. Other review topics could be video games, tabletop games, gadgets, software etc. You could even ask ncommander to publish a weekly site update to go up Monday morning :-)

        • (Score: 1) by zizban on Friday June 27 2014, @08:48PM

          by zizban (3765) on Friday June 27 2014, @08:48PM (#61079)

          That's a great idea! Submit us one.

          • (Score: 2) by lhsi on Friday June 27 2014, @10:14PM

            by lhsi (711) on Friday June 27 2014, @10:14PM (#61143) Journal

            I have two kids so could give you an interesting review on books for toddlers as that's all I really read...

            It is something I have thought about before so I might do if I get the time to read/watch something in the first place.

        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday June 28 2014, @07:36AM

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 28 2014, @07:36AM (#61285) Journal

          You many recall that this was tried in the very early days of SN. It did not receive much support at that time, but perhaps it is worth another try. Come back Tonya_Servo - we need you!

          --
          I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
      • (Score: 2) by monster on Monday June 30 2014, @01:00PM

        by monster (1260) on Monday June 30 2014, @01:00PM (#61904) Journal

        About posting stories, I've noticed that, unlike other versions of Slashcode, there is no "submit also to front page" option in the journal. I've browsed other people's journals sometimes and it seems like sometimes there are good candidates to the front page. Do the editors look among them when populating the submissions queue?

        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday June 30 2014, @02:10PM

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 30 2014, @02:10PM (#61928) Journal

          Personally, I don't go searching through the 4000+ possible journals looking for stories. Others might. If you want your journal posted I would suggest that it is submitted in the usual way. It would be hard for an editor to know if a journal entry was complete, what the original source was (and therefore its authenticity), and to make sure that it didn't change once published.

          --
          I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Woods on Friday June 27 2014, @06:28PM

    by Woods (2726) <woods12@gmail.com> on Friday June 27 2014, @06:28PM (#60975) Journal

    I wonder how accurate the time spent on the site is, I do not know about the other editors, but I have SN up in a tab throughout the entire 9 hour day. I wonder how much things like that mess with the ratio.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by tynin on Friday June 27 2014, @06:54PM

      by tynin (2013) on Friday June 27 2014, @06:54PM (#60989) Journal

      Same. I have soylentnews left in a running tab on my workstation, pretty much eternally. Though I think that might explain why it looks like Windows XP users stay so long on the site, as I fall into that category till next week when they finally give me a new Windows 7 workstation. I also have a Fedora and Debian workstation, but I use those to get real work done and not surfing the internet.

  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @06:44PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @06:44PM (#60985)

    The Commonwealth is doing well, as is the USA, but I also think we should all say
    Vilkommen ach mein gerfrienden Deutch! Das komputermaschine ist fur der gerfingerpoken unt mittengraben mit mein gerfrienden Deutchen!

  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday June 27 2014, @06:51PM

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday June 27 2014, @06:51PM (#60987)

    Even IE 8.0 by itself still beats Opera's most popular...

    I like the Opera concept, I like that they're still out there swinging away - though I have to wonder if they might make more contribution to the world by joining Firefox or Chrome development and making their noise closer to the mainstream party?

    --
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    • (Score: 1) by richtopia on Friday June 27 2014, @07:23PM

      by richtopia (3160) on Friday June 27 2014, @07:23PM (#61015) Homepage Journal

      I suspect that Opera would have fared better a year ago before the shift to Blink. It has really divided the community and continues to drive people away. If you look at browser versions you can see that Opera 12 still has more users than Opera 22.

      • (Score: 1) by Kunasou on Friday June 27 2014, @08:09PM

        by Kunasou (4148) on Friday June 27 2014, @08:09PM (#61053)

        Switching to Blink was a bad decision, I still use Opera 12.16 and I'm surprised some people on this website still uses it.

    • (Score: 2) by n1 on Friday June 27 2014, @09:13PM

      by n1 (993) on Friday June 27 2014, @09:13PM (#61094) Journal

      This editor still uses Opera primarily, although the Blink change is making me seriously consider going back to Firefox as my main browser. Maybe the cycle will continue and in a few years i'll be back on Opera when Firefox goes to shit again. Software is always one version away from being worthless.

      • (Score: 2) by paulej72 on Saturday June 28 2014, @01:59AM

        by paulej72 (58) on Saturday June 28 2014, @01:59AM (#61218) Journal

        Shit again, Firefox is getting shitty now. It is trying too hard to be Chrome. Try to find the preferences on the newest version without turning on the menu again. If it wasn't for the great built-in dev tools, I would really be thinking of switching to something else.

        --
        Team Leader for SN Development
  • (Score: 2) by meisterister on Friday June 27 2014, @06:52PM

    by meisterister (949) on Friday June 27 2014, @06:52PM (#60988) Journal

    I wonder what OSes were in the "Others" category. I'd expect that you'd see Windows 98 there... not that I visited during that time period or anything...

    I'm actually quite surprised by Mint's low numbers. I have two explanations for this:

    1. Mint is less popular here than Ubuntu.
    2. Mint uses Ubuntu's packages.

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    • (Score: 2) by tomtomtom on Saturday June 28 2014, @12:07AM

      by tomtomtom (340) on Saturday June 28 2014, @12:07AM (#61182)

      Depending on if the Do-Not-Track header is honoured (and if people have it set up), you might well see people using Secret Agent [soylentnews.org] lumped (some of the time) in "Others" as well. The default list it ships with has some truly random stuff in it.

  • (Score: 1) by present_arms on Friday June 27 2014, @06:54PM

    by present_arms (4392) on Friday June 27 2014, @06:54PM (#60990) Homepage Journal

    was that Linux is ahead of MacOS especial if you add the Ubuntu to the linux (which in my view it should be) and that more poor soles use IE8 than 9 or 10 I assume is because ya lazy gits are on here whilst at work. There was no surprise however that windows 8 was way below 7 however, I found these stats interesting in my own warped way.

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    • (Score: 2) by Woods on Friday June 27 2014, @07:03PM

      by Woods (2726) <woods12@gmail.com> on Friday June 27 2014, @07:03PM (#60995) Journal

      I think my favorite is seeing Firefox 29 drop off slowly as they released the 30 update.

      • (Score: 1) by present_arms on Friday June 27 2014, @07:12PM

        by present_arms (4392) on Friday June 27 2014, @07:12PM (#61006) Homepage Journal

        Yo be honest i didn't catch that, yes that is interesting :)

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      • (Score: 1) by ticho on Friday June 27 2014, @07:19PM

        by ticho (89) on Friday June 27 2014, @07:19PM (#61011) Homepage Journal

        Why, did they fix at least some of the clusterfuck they made with 29? I haven't been following the development, but FF 29 has almost driven me to a different browser, only the "Classic Theme Restorer" addon saved it - and even with it it's worse than earlier releases.

        • (Score: 2) by Woods on Friday June 27 2014, @07:53PM

          by Woods (2726) <woods12@gmail.com> on Friday June 27 2014, @07:53PM (#61037) Journal

          I believe you may be mixed up. FF 30 was the UI update with all the horribleness that required the Classic Theme Restorer addon.

          I think the main reason why 29 was phased out is that if you went to check your current version of Firefox, it would auto-update to 30. Well, this happened for me, at least. Otherwise I would still be on 29, I am certain.

          • (Score: 2) by ticho on Friday June 27 2014, @08:11PM

            by ticho (89) on Friday June 27 2014, @08:11PM (#61056) Homepage Journal

            Really? Because I'm using 29.0.1 (Iceweasel, since I'm on Debian, but it should be the same), and without the CTR addon, it is barely usable. Are you telling me that 30 will be even worse? :)

            • (Score: 2) by Woods on Friday June 27 2014, @08:23PM

              by Woods (2726) <woods12@gmail.com> on Friday June 27 2014, @08:23PM (#61064) Journal

              Well, I was pretty sure, but I suppose I had v28 at the time of the update? I just checked when Australis was pushed, and sure enough it said 29.

              I am a dumb.

              • (Score: 1) by ticho on Friday June 27 2014, @10:15PM

                by ticho (89) on Friday June 27 2014, @10:15PM (#61144) Homepage Journal

                That's all right, we all have a dumb every now and then. :)

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @08:12PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @08:12PM (#61059)

            Firefox updates whenever it gets around to it, checking your current version might also trigger it, but it is not the primary code path to updating since hardly anyone checks their browser version with any frequency.

            I find the increase in ff30 users to be completely unremarkable. It is simply the expected result of firefox's automatic update policy and we should expect to see the same thing when ff31 rolls around. Whatever you think of Australis, most people don't care enough to try to avoid it.

          • (Score: 1) by Gertlex on Friday June 27 2014, @09:26PM

            by Gertlex (3966) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 27 2014, @09:26PM (#61104)

            Might be worth checking out the PaleMoon fork of firefox. It's got the sanity we needed 5 years ago. (the stats indicated we have maybe 1 PaleMoon user for every 20 FF users currently.

        • (Score: 2) by elf on Saturday June 28 2014, @07:04AM

          by elf (64) on Saturday June 28 2014, @07:04AM (#61281)

          I don't use FF an awful lot but over the years of when I do I can't say I notice anything between the versions. It has a browser window, a URL bar and a bookmarks menu. Thats all I really use from it. Chrome is my main browser of choice and this is different only because it has a few plugins I like and syncs my book marks across machines.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @07:07PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @07:07PM (#60999)

    I know it is in the USA, but where are you located?

  • (Score: 2) by cmn32480 on Friday June 27 2014, @07:08PM

    by cmn32480 (443) <{cmn32480} {at} {gmail.com}> on Friday June 27 2014, @07:08PM (#61002) Journal

    There are 3 kinds of lies:

    Lies

    Damned Lies

    Statistics

    But they are interesting.

    --
    "It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear" - Norm Peterson
    • (Score: 3, Funny) by NCommander on Friday June 27 2014, @07:21PM

      by NCommander (2) Subscriber Badge <michael@casadevall.pro> on Friday June 27 2014, @07:21PM (#61013) Homepage Journal

      That was the original tagline, I changed it since I think this is the shortest post I've ever composed. There's a running joke the editorial team flinchs every time I say I'm going to post something :-)

      --
      Still always moving
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @07:26PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @07:26PM (#61018)

        Are they part of the Wozniak Nerd Academy?

        citation [twitpic.com]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 29 2014, @04:56PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 29 2014, @04:56PM (#61664)

      I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself. - Winston S. Churchill

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @07:11PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @07:11PM (#61005)

    If you collect this every month it would be shiny if you made it publicly available and preserve archives. As a more nerdy folk tracking things like OS and browser adoption could prove interesting in the future.

    • (Score: 2) by NCommander on Friday June 27 2014, @07:20PM

      by NCommander (2) Subscriber Badge <michael@casadevall.pro> on Friday June 27 2014, @07:20PM (#61012) Homepage Journal

      I was actually planning on running a post about doing something like this, perhaps keep an archive of how traffic and OS usage changes over time, with a monthly stats update post, though I'd need to reask the community to do so, we only asked permission to run piwik for a few weeks.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @07:39PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @07:39PM (#61026)

        On the face of it I see no problem with gathering aggregate statistics . Tracking individual users is another question entirely.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by NCommander on Friday June 27 2014, @07:42PM

          by NCommander (2) Subscriber Badge <michael@casadevall.pro> on Friday June 27 2014, @07:42PM (#61027) Homepage Journal

          We have to do the later to generate the former :-/ (there's a lot of information in piwik which isn't in the report; we purge out IPs and most other information after 7 days to limit how much we collect)

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 28 2014, @03:01AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 28 2014, @03:01AM (#61233)

            That's a decent compromise. It's not your job to write piwik, but I wonder if there is a way of filtering the data that goes into it, and dropping the ip addresses and other unique identifiers right at the source. It would be harder if not impossible to measure things like session time or unique visitors, but a number of indicators (eg country of visitor, OS, browser, hit-count, time) could still be available.

      • (Score: 1) by goodie on Friday June 27 2014, @07:43PM

        by goodie (1877) on Friday June 27 2014, @07:43PM (#61029) Journal

        I think it's a fantastic idea. Heck, if several sites did this we could aggregate the data and actually have an idea about these things rather than a guess. That's why when you were talking about the subscription and access to the SN db for querying I saw a use for this for the same type of purpose (although I don't know what is tracked actually in the SN db...).

  • (Score: 2) by skullz on Friday June 27 2014, @08:06PM

    by skullz (2532) on Friday June 27 2014, @08:06PM (#61045)

    Great graphs and all but where are the player scores? I can view the user profiles to get a list of other's gear but I don't see where I stand compared to the n00bs. I demand you release the Soylent News user ranks!!

    • (Score: 2) by mattie_p on Friday June 27 2014, @09:13PM

      by mattie_p (13) on Friday June 27 2014, @09:13PM (#61093) Journal

      Who is the noob again? Checking your uid it seems you are.

      • (Score: 2) by buswolley on Friday June 27 2014, @09:20PM

        by buswolley (848) on Friday June 27 2014, @09:20PM (#61098)

        well. I got a very low ID number on the original signup page that was passed around during the revolt, but then when SoylentNews was established, I found out that we all had to register again. I was lucky to get sub 1000

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      • (Score: 2) by skullz on Friday June 27 2014, @09:59PM

        by skullz (2532) on Friday June 27 2014, @09:59PM (#61135)

        haha n00b! They nerfed UIDs last patch. Hardcore SNers now use a Snark rotation.

        • (Score: 2) by mattie_p on Saturday June 28 2014, @12:34AM

          by mattie_p (13) on Saturday June 28 2014, @12:34AM (#61192) Journal

          So ... your score is zero?

          • (Score: 2) by skullz on Saturday June 28 2014, @11:44PM

            by skullz (2532) on Saturday June 28 2014, @11:44PM (#61441)

            I would know (and be able to brag) if the SN gods released the player ranks. Until then I'm #1.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @08:26PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 27 2014, @08:26PM (#61066)

    Slashcode's internal statistics monitor is badly out of touch of reality; it reports our traffic is 80% higher than piWik does. This might be an artificat of bitrot, varnish, or something else entirely.

    Since https is not counted, perhaps 80% of the traffic is logged in users?

    • (Score: 2) by NCommander on Friday June 27 2014, @08:59PM

      by NCommander (2) Subscriber Badge <michael@casadevall.pro> on Friday June 27 2014, @08:59PM (#61085) Homepage Journal

      We don't auto-redirect to HTTPS (yet).

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      • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Friday June 27 2014, @09:53PM

        by maxwell demon (1608) on Friday June 27 2014, @09:53PM (#61126) Journal

        Which doesn't mean users don't use it anyway, by conscious use.

        However it is also a reasonable guess that a high percentage of the users here uses NoScript and/or DNT. If I understood the summary correctly, those are not counted either.

        Maybe a poll about that subject might be a good idea. While not as accurate as actual measurements, it might give at least a hint at how many users use https/NoScript/DNT.

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        • (Score: 2) by elf on Friday June 27 2014, @11:19PM

          by elf (64) on Friday June 27 2014, @11:19PM (#61170)

          Do a lot of people use things like Ghostery too? This would block pwiki (I just noticed my browser does). I think an 80% difference is too large to be caused by bad slashcode. I think something else is at play here too.

          I noticed there was a flag to opt in to the analytics, were AC's automatically in or out? (as they can't choose settings)

          • (Score: 2) by NCommander on Saturday June 28 2014, @12:07AM

            by NCommander (2) Subscriber Badge <michael@casadevall.pro> on Saturday June 28 2014, @12:07AM (#61181) Homepage Journal

            The flag is set as a local cookie, its not attached to a user account. For cookie allergic users, the DNT flag is honored as well.

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            • (Score: 2) by mrider on Saturday June 28 2014, @03:41AM

              by mrider (3252) on Saturday June 28 2014, @03:41AM (#61242)

              I for one am probably screwing up the stats. I use ABP, No Script, Ghostery, and Self-Destructing Cookies. I have all those set to allow this site 100%, but it sounds like you still get skewed stats...

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  • (Score: 2) by Aiwendil on Friday June 27 2014, @10:23PM

    by Aiwendil (531) on Friday June 27 2014, @10:23PM (#61148) Journal

    12.17 is windows only (it was a security update that didn't affect mac and linux),
    12.16 was the highest for linux up until about a week ago (when a developer version of Opera 24 was released for linux)

    So the Opera 22 and Opera 12.17 users are windows-users, and the Opera 12.16 are most likely linux-users.

    12.x was the last opera with their own engine, later versions are with the chrome-engine and a modern ui that can't be customized.

    Considering that 12.17 was released inbetween Opera 20 and Opera 21 it says a bit about what people think about Opera's decisions lately - especially since there is no problem with running a "new opera" with a "opera classic" at the same time.

  • (Score: 1) by harmless on Saturday June 28 2014, @12:17AM

    by harmless (1048) on Saturday June 28 2014, @12:17AM (#61186) Homepage

    1. Ghostery is able to block Piwik. I don't know if that might skew the results significantly, but given the privacy conscious target demographic I wouldn't be surprised.
    2. Regarding international users:
    This site is in English. Not everyone in Europe is able to fluently read English and even fewer can write it. So it is not all that surprising that the number of visitors is more limited than comparing population numbers would suggest.