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posted by LaminatorX on Monday August 18 2014, @09:47PM   Printer-friendly [Skip to comment(s)]
from the not-your-father's-Oldsmobile dept.

For the last few years, Microsoft has tried to separate the modern version of Internet Explorer from its legacy: a relatively slow, insecure browser saddled with proprietary features. Now Mark Hachman reports at PC World that as recently as a few weeks ago, members of the Internet Explorer development team debated renaming the browser, presumably in an effort to eliminate any distaste from the software's earliest days. According to one member of the Explorer Develop Group during an AMA on Reddit: "It's been suggested internally; I remember a particularly long email thread where numerous people were passionately debating it. Plenty of ideas get kicked around about how we can separate ourselves from negative perceptions that no longer reflect our product today," wrote Jonathon Sampson. "The discussion I recall seeing was a very recent one (just a few weeks ago). Who knows what the future holds :)"

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  • (Score: 3) by SpockLogic on Monday August 18 2014, @09:54PM

    by SpockLogic (2762) on Monday August 18 2014, @09:54PM (#82774)

    Call it Netscape New ...

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    • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18 2014, @10:07PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18 2014, @10:07PM (#82784)

      Call it chlamydia 'casue no one wants that either.

    • (Score: 4, Funny) by M. Baranczak on Tuesday August 19 2014, @03:51AM

      by M. Baranczak (1673) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @03:51AM (#82901)

      Call it "Airwolf" because "Firefox" is taken.

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by tempest on Tuesday August 19 2014, @01:10PM

        by tempest (3050) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @01:10PM (#83043)

        If Chrome changes to Blue Thunder, I think we could get a trilogy of movies out of the next browser wars.

        • (Score: 2) by M. Baranczak on Tuesday August 19 2014, @06:31PM

          by M. Baranczak (1673) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @06:31PM (#83199)

          And if Exchange is renamed to Manimal, we'd have enough material to start a full-blown religion.

    • (Score: 2) by davester666 on Tuesday August 19 2014, @08:06AM

      by davester666 (155) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @08:06AM (#82963)

      Explorer of the Internet

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18 2014, @10:03PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18 2014, @10:03PM (#82780)

    When it comes to a browser, if it's not open source, I won't even consider using it--even if it's technically superior in features and performance. I'd rather use the slower Firefox browser because I know Mozilla can't intentionally hide anything malicious in there. I wish Chrome was open source and divorced from Google but we'll never get that.

    IE is pretty fast too, modern versions on modern hardware. But the lack of add-ons is a dealbreaker, and would be even if it was open source. There's no decent ad-blocker, for one. You need competent developers for an add-on community to form, and competent developers will never use a Microsoft browser.

    • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Monday August 18 2014, @10:08PM

      by kaszz (4211) on Monday August 18 2014, @10:08PM (#82786) Journal

      The only thing Chrome seems to have an edge in is speed and one-thread-per-tab. Perhaps there's another browser having this?

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 19 2014, @12:33AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 19 2014, @12:33AM (#82845)

      I know Mozilla can't intentionally hide anything malicious in there

      It seems you've never heard of the Underhanded C Contest. [xcott.com] Its a contest demonstrating how easy it is to intentionally hide malicious stuff in innocent-looking code, and the best part is that the executions typically come with plausible deniability - "Oh, I missed an equals sign there? Silly me, I must have been tired."

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Subsentient on Tuesday August 19 2014, @03:15AM

        by Subsentient (1111) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @03:15AM (#82891) Homepage Journal

        Modern compilers draw warnings at stuff like the assignment/equality trick. They demand parenthesis. If anyone insists on including parenthesis for equality, be suspicious.

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        • (Score: 2) by geb on Tuesday August 19 2014, @10:11AM

          by geb (529) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @10:11AM (#82991)

          Previous winners of the Underhanded C contest have been far, far sneakier than that. It certainly doesn't stop at a single trick. Some of the contest entries have been so subtle that it takes several minutes just to see that there is a problem, even in a two line sample, having been told in advance that something is awry.

          Being suspicious isn't enough.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by jasassin on Tuesday August 19 2014, @11:30AM

            by jasassin (3566) <jasassin@gmail.com> on Tuesday August 19 2014, @11:30AM (#83005) Journal

            http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SE_Linux [wikipedia.org]

            In mainline kernel since 2003. Created by the US Department of Defense, from original concepts and code of guess who... the US National Security Agency. I checked my CyanogenMod and yes its cooked in. If what you say about hiding doors is that easy, Linux is fucked too. Yes? No?

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            • (Score: 4, Insightful) by geb on Tuesday August 19 2014, @12:23PM

              by geb (529) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @12:23PM (#83024)

              It's difficult to say.

              The examples from the underhanded C contest were the work of individuals given a few months and a strictly defined single task to work on. They came up with backdoors that were well hidden, but not perfectly immune to discovery, and most of them would have been found if they were in active use. The winning entries tend to be ones where the author could say "Oh, whoops. Honest mistake." if they were blamed.

              I don't think you can take that experience and directly scale it up to the level of the linux kernel. More places to hide, but more people looking. Far more talent going into both backdooring and securing, at genius level on both sides. Very high stakes. If even a single flaw is found, an NSA contributor can't fall back on claiming to be a hobbyist making a n00b error.

              Heartbleed stands out as a better example for comparison. It might have been a genuine error. It might have just been plausibly deniable. We can't know.

  • (Score: 2) by Appalbarry on Monday August 18 2014, @10:05PM

    by Appalbarry (66) on Monday August 18 2014, @10:05PM (#82781) Journal

    Or Chropera!

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Pseudonymous Coward on Monday August 18 2014, @10:57PM

      by Pseudonymous Coward (4624) on Monday August 18 2014, @10:57PM (#82811)

      Why don't you just call it "Cholera" while you're at it?

      • (Score: 2) by bugamn on Monday August 18 2014, @11:56PM

        by bugamn (1017) on Monday August 18 2014, @11:56PM (#82831)

        Let's go with the more recent trends. Call it Ebola!

        • (Score: 4, Funny) by kaszz on Tuesday August 19 2014, @01:13AM

          by kaszz (4211) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @01:13AM (#82856) Journal

          Trendy and fashion sensitive browser.. :P

          Infectious Ebola also called IE ..!!

        • (Score: 2) by Kromagv0 on Tuesday August 19 2014, @08:27PM

          by Kromagv0 (1825) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @08:27PM (#83236) Homepage

          At least they could continue using the stylized E logo then.

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    • (Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Monday August 18 2014, @11:53PM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 18 2014, @11:53PM (#82829) Journal

      Copro d'opera?

      A shit by any other name would stink as bad.
      (authorship unknown, assumed William Gatespeare)

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  • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Monday August 18 2014, @10:06PM

    by kaszz (4211) on Monday August 18 2014, @10:06PM (#82783) Journal

    Internet Explorer for exploits will always be tainted as long as Microsoft is making the decisions. It's fucked if you so will.

    Only if they divorce the mother company, fire any staff that got to much indoctrination and does a heavy refactoring of the code. Will they have any serious shoot at gaining any trust. Otoh, any US corporation currently will have an issue of being trustworthy due to the letter-from-the-men-in-black risks posed.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18 2014, @11:41PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18 2014, @11:41PM (#82826)

      They renamed "Patch Tuesday" and held the first "Update Tuesday" last week. Look how well that worked out for them.

      • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Tuesday August 19 2014, @01:15AM

        by kaszz (4211) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @01:15AM (#82858) Journal

        They better update the name to "Wrecking Tuesday" ;)

        (also known as wreckday - BYOD to get any useful work done day..)

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 19 2014, @01:25AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 19 2014, @01:25AM (#82862)

      I've seen that there are ways to run some versions e.g. under WINE.
      Are any of those currently supported versions of IE?

      I know that the Windoze Registry only allows 1 version to be installed at a time under Windoze.
      Does anyone run IE without a M$ OS?
      Are any web developers using that to check the viewability of W3C-compliant code with the least-compliant browser?

      -- gewg_

  • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday August 18 2014, @10:08PM

    by aristarchus (2645) on Monday August 18 2014, @10:08PM (#82785) Journal

    "The browser formerly know as 'IE'"

    "Not-blue Screen of Death"

    "Farefox"

    But until Microsoft can produce a browser that can stand alone from the operating system (do they dare? Has the statute of limitations expired?), we will just have to keep calling it :
    "Windows"

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    • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Monday August 18 2014, @10:28PM

      by acid andy (1683) on Monday August 18 2014, @10:28PM (#82793) Homepage Journal

      DINIE (I'll let you work it out ;) )
      Or DISIE where the 'S' is for 'still'

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      • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Monday August 18 2014, @10:30PM

        by acid andy (1683) on Monday August 18 2014, @10:30PM (#82795) Homepage Journal

        Actually SISIE works even better.

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    • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Monday August 18 2014, @11:26PM

      by kaszz (4211) on Monday August 18 2014, @11:26PM (#82819) Journal

      Invasive Expl0it

      Sounds like a disease that must be put under strict CDC control. :P

      OR..

      Imbreeded Excrements from Microsoft MBA team.

      (I'm not nice to Microsoft, no, but their favors are just returned)

  • (Score: 3) by Dunbal on Monday August 18 2014, @10:24PM

    by Dunbal (3515) on Monday August 18 2014, @10:24PM (#82790)

    NSA backdoor

    NSA frontdoor

    Microsoft Bugsharer

    Microsoft Pwnage

    Internet Vulnerator

    Internet Adventurer

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by el_oscuro on Monday August 18 2014, @10:27PM

      by el_oscuro (1711) on Monday August 18 2014, @10:27PM (#82791)

      ... Or the old classic:

      Internet Exploder

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    • (Score: 2) by meisterister on Monday August 18 2014, @10:44PM

      by meisterister (949) on Monday August 18 2014, @10:44PM (#82798) Journal

      Windows Explorer (Oh wait, that's what they already did!)
      BloatMax
      Microshaft Idiot Exploiter (Though that name is a bit 1998)
      Microsoft Internet eXPerience
      Microsoft Internet 95_98_XP_7_Totally_not_an_association_fallacy

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18 2014, @10:56PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18 2014, @10:56PM (#82809)

    first there was Bob
    then came Zune
    and now we have Surface

    Bob Zuned out on the Surface of the sand and gently wept.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by evilviper on Monday August 18 2014, @11:40PM

    by evilviper (1760) on Monday August 18 2014, @11:40PM (#82825) Homepage Journal

    Actually, "Internet Explorer" is just about the perfect name. FOSS developers fail so miserably at naming, and should take a lesson from this.

    If I was a clueless user and wanted to browse the INTERNET, what would I first think to use? "Mozilla," "Firefox," "Opera," or something else that has "Internet" right in the name?

    "Photoshop" versus "GIMP" is just one more example. "Winamp" isn't perfect, but pretty good, compared with "XMMS" or "Audacious", and "iTunes" and "Windows Media Center" both hit it out of the park.

    Forget the clueless users, even, and look at how you find software... How many times have you discovered that there was some application for task-X that you didn't know about, despite it being in the yum/dpkg list of your system?

    When looking for an IRC client, I'm hardly going to expect "BitchX" is what I want. When looking for a new file manager, "Nautilus", "Konq" and "Dolphin" doesn't mean a damn thing to me... etc.

    Sure, you could go for multi-million dollar ad campaigns to get your product's name out there (Firefox), or you could just damn-well name it properly in the first place, so someone looking for it, will find it...

    A name should be descriptive, not obscure. Copyright-ability is not of any particular value.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 19 2014, @01:37AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 19 2014, @01:37AM (#82865)

      It's only "perfect" if you don't acknowledge that there was another "Explorer" before that one (and that that app still exists).
      ...and that humans tend to shorten the names of everything.
      ...then there are the folks that call it "IE". Huh? Obvious?

      FOSS developers fail so miserably at naming[...]"Photoshop" versus "GIMP"
      Graphical Image Manipulation Package. So cryptic. /sarc
      See "shorten the names", above.
      See "IE", above.

      "Winamp"
      Are you kidding? That's supposed to be obvious?
      mplayer beats that.
      A name I like is ogle.
      Audio players are an even easier category: songbird, mpg123, atunes.

      Copyright-ability is not of any particular value
      Google-ability, however, is.
      Windows? Word? Office? Money? .NET? WTF? See "shorten the names", above.

      When Windoze gets a package manager, maybe finding Windoze-compatible apps will be easy.
      Until then, FOSS OSes win at finding new software.

      ...and it's so freaking difficult to go to the forum for your distro and ask
      "What do you guys use for ________?".

      -- gewg_

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by frojack on Tuesday August 19 2014, @03:09AM

      by frojack (1554) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 19 2014, @03:09AM (#82887) Journal

      If I was a clueless user and wanted to browse the INTERNET, what would I first think to use? "Mozilla," "Firefox," "Opera," or something else that has "Internet" right in the name?

      Oh come on, nobody is that clueless anymore. Go ask your grandmother. Even SHE knows the name of more than one browser. She also has learned the difference between a name and a function, she can buy a Ford or a Honda, and is not limited to buying a something with the word "car" in its name SmartCar.

      I'm always astounded how many people come posting how everyone in the world is dumber then hell, while always excluding themselves from that group.

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      • (Score: 2) by evilviper on Tuesday August 19 2014, @06:03AM

        by evilviper (1760) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @06:03AM (#82935) Homepage Journal

        If you'd read HALFWAY through my post, you'd see I didn't exclude myself at all.

        If you can't be bothered to read HALFWAY through a comment, you have nothing to offer in response, and I'm sure not going to be bothered to read anything you have to say.

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      • (Score: 2) by Common Joe on Tuesday August 19 2014, @03:08PM

        by Common Joe (33) <common.joe.0101NO@SPAMgmail.com> on Tuesday August 19 2014, @03:08PM (#83109) Journal

        Oh come on, nobody is that clueless anymore. Go ask your grandmother.

        You should speak to my mother-in-law. She will change your mind. You'd understand what I mean after a few minutes, but it's most frustrating when you work with her one-on-one for several hours, write everything down for her, and within two weeks she still has trouble surfing on the Internet.

        In short, those people still exist. And more on topic, evilviper was right on target. I'd love to find more programs in Linux Mint, but most names suck and I can't find jack. I've had to find most of my programs through random surfing on the Internet, Soylent News, and (before SN) Slashdot.

    • (Score: 2, Funny) by Adamsjas on Tuesday August 19 2014, @03:12AM

      by Adamsjas (4507) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @03:12AM (#82889)

      "A name should be descriptive, not obscure. "

      Says they guy posting as Evilviper.

      • (Score: 1) by evilviper on Tuesday August 19 2014, @06:08AM

        by evilviper (1760) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @06:08AM (#82937) Homepage Journal

        Picked it on a whim 20 years ago, and it just wasn't practical to start over. It works as well as any, so I'm hardly motivated.

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        • (Score: 2) by tibman on Tuesday August 19 2014, @02:02PM

          by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 19 2014, @02:02PM (#83073)

          soooo, you're saying you're neither evil or viper then? Just want to confirm things.

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    • (Score: 1) by Refugee from beyond on Tuesday August 19 2014, @07:04AM

      by Refugee from beyond (2699) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @07:04AM (#82944)

      So, what do you do when you have more than 1 browser? Hundred different programs named "Internet Explorers" isn't going to help people.

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      • (Score: 2) by evilviper on Tuesday August 19 2014, @05:36PM

        by evilviper (1760) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @05:36PM (#83177) Homepage Journal

        You can do all kinds of variations with the words Internet, Web, etc. And "Explorer" isn't needed at all... most any other word will do just fine.

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        • (Score: 1) by Refugee from beyond on Tuesday August 19 2014, @07:33PM

          by Refugee from beyond (2699) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @07:33PM (#83212)

          I'd like to see how fast this devolves into “[Vendor]'s browser” in the wild…

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          • (Score: 2) by evilviper on Wednesday August 20 2014, @12:28AM

            by evilviper (1760) on Wednesday August 20 2014, @12:28AM (#83311) Homepage Journal

            "browser" is a TERRIBLE name. You can "browse" ANYTHING. Only techies would associate a browser with internet/web/youtube/facebook.

            "Internet" or "Web" is good, and I'm sure I could come up with more if I was so motivated.

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            • (Score: 1) by Refugee from beyond on Wednesday August 20 2014, @07:39AM

              by Refugee from beyond (2699) on Wednesday August 20 2014, @07:39AM (#83433)

              Doesn't matter. I was talking about people who will use those browsers.

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        • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Tuesday August 19 2014, @09:26PM

          by maxwell demon (1608) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @09:26PM (#83255) Journal

          Well, the menu item to start Firefox in my Linux distro is "Firefox Web Browser". So where's the problem, again?

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          • (Score: 2) by evilviper on Wednesday August 20 2014, @12:26AM

            by evilviper (1760) on Wednesday August 20 2014, @12:26AM (#83310) Homepage Journal

            That helps, but it doesn't show-up that way in a yum or dpkg/apt search, or any other way you'd look for and access it.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18 2014, @11:42PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18 2014, @11:42PM (#82827)
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18 2014, @11:46PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18 2014, @11:46PM (#82828)

    Internet AIDS

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday August 18 2014, @11:58PM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 18 2014, @11:58PM (#82833) Journal

      Internet AIDS

      The very reason I don't fuck Microsoft. Even with a condom... (you don't know when the bitch will start to bite you).

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 19 2014, @12:07AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 19 2014, @12:07AM (#82836)

      Ebola

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 19 2014, @12:39AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 19 2014, @12:39AM (#82847)

    The important thing is to change the user agent!

    wait? they already have done that? I guess MSIE was a bit too tainted?
    instead it says that mozilla likes geckos now....

    • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Tuesday August 19 2014, @01:25AM

      by kaszz (4211) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @01:25AM (#82861) Journal

      if( useragent == Microsoft from Evilmond ) THEN Paywall "You must pay the community service tax to counter that you sponsring corporate crimes of computing" ;)

      Some explorers seems vurnable to the uuencode..

      begin 0666 oouch.exe

  • (Score: 1) by Refugee from beyond on Tuesday August 19 2014, @07:07AM

    by Refugee from beyond (2699) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @07:07AM (#82945)

    It won't help if those "perceptions" are true, though. So, why bother? Just give up.

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  • (Score: 2) by Boxzy on Tuesday August 19 2014, @09:08AM

    by Boxzy (742) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @09:08AM (#82968) Journal

    The one they will pick is:

    Metro Browser.

    You know they will. It's inevitable.

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    • (Score: 2) by Vanderhoth on Tuesday August 19 2014, @11:09AM

      by Vanderhoth (61) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @11:09AM (#82998)

      They can't use Metro, they already lost a court case over that. Instead it'll be Modern Interface Browser, or M.I.B., like the people that show up at at your door when you use it to look up house hold chemicals and fertilizer.

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  • (Score: 2) by RamiK on Tuesday August 19 2014, @09:15AM

    by RamiK (1813) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @09:15AM (#82973)

    This is just one more example of what happens when you fire all the "naysayers".
    MSFT's corporate culture has been reduced to, well, a corporate culture. Over the years the aggressive competition policy has been turned inwards and the people who didn't play-ball got silenced and ejected.
    Now after meticulous and careful elimination, there's no opposition left when ideas like "tiles", "we're a service company not a product company" and "let re-brand it" come to surface.

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  • (Score: 3, Funny) by VLM on Tuesday August 19 2014, @11:15AM

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 19 2014, @11:15AM (#83001)

    Following in the footsteps of "my documents" "my music" (LOL) "my pictures", "my videos", "my pr0n", all the defaults that come with windows, just call it "my internet"

  • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Tuesday August 19 2014, @02:36PM

    by tangomargarine (667) on Tuesday August 19 2014, @02:36PM (#83092)

    Changing the name means nothing. Fire some of these PR twits and hire a better developer or two.

    And while you're at it, axe the UX guys.

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  • (Score: 2) by halcyon1234 on Tuesday August 19 2014, @05:01PM

    by halcyon1234 (1082) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 19 2014, @05:01PM (#83164)
    Call the new browser "Triple It".
    Because that's what I do with the hours on every quote I issue that requires making the website work with more than one version of IE.
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