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posted by n1 on Thursday August 28 2014, @06:44PM   Printer-friendly
from the starting-the-weekend-early dept.

An article by Stanton Peele makes the case that there is strong evidence that reasonable levels of drinking are healthy, and if fact beneficial to your health compared with abstinence.

For all levels of drinking, including the highest one, for both men and women, death rates did not reach those for abstainers.

[...] Of course, abstainers may not drink because they are already ill. Thus the meta-analysis relied on studies that eliminated subjects who are abstaining due to illness, or else contrast drinkers with lifetime abstainers.

There isn't a list of references in the article, but this study may be one of the supporting ones: Alcohol Dosing and Total Mortality in Men and Women: An Updated Meta-analysis of 34 Prospective Studies.

There are, no doubt, reasonable criticisms that can be made, but there does seem to be a case for saying that drinking some alcohol is beneficial.

Article also published in: Pacific Standard Magazine

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Study: No "Safe" Level of Alcohol Consumption 89 comments

No alcohol safe to drink, global study confirms

A large new global study published in the Lancet has confirmed previous research which has shown that there is no safe level of alcohol consumption. The researchers admit moderate drinking may protect against heart disease but found that the risk of cancer and other diseases outweighs these protections. A study author said its findings were the most significant to date because of the range of factors considered.

The Global Burden of Disease [open, DOI: 10.1016/S0140-6736(18)31310-2] [DX] study looked at levels of alcohol use and its health effects in 195 countries, including the UK, between 1990 and 2016.

Analysing data from 15 to 95-year-olds, the researchers compared people who did not drink at all with those who had one alcoholic drink a day. They found that out of 100,000 non-drinkers, 914 would develop an alcohol-related health problem such as cancer or suffer an injury. But an extra four people would be affected if they drank one alcoholic drink a day. For people who had two alcoholic drinks a day, 63 more developed a condition within a year and for those who consumed five drinks every day, there was an increase of 338 people, who developed a health problem.

One of the study authors, Prof Sonia Saxena, a researcher at Imperial College London and a practising GP, said: "One drink a day does represent a small increased risk, but adjust that to the UK population as a whole and it represents a far bigger number, and most people are not drinking just one drink a day."

Related: The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking is Healthy
Study Shows 3 Drinks a Day May Cause Liver Cancer
Even Moderate Drinking Linked to a Decline in Brain Health
American Society of Clinical Oncology: Alcohol Use Increases Risk of Cancer


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World Health Organization: Alcohol Killed 3 Million People in 2016 32 comments

Excessive drinking killed over 3 million people in 2016

Drinking too much alcohol killed more than 3 million people in 2016, mostly men, the World Health Organization said.

The U.N. health agency also warned that current policy responses are not sufficient to reverse trends predicting an increase in consumption over the next 10 years.

In a new report Friday, the agency said that about 237 million men and 46 million women faced alcohol problems, with the highest prevalence in Europe and the Americas. Europe has the highest global per capita alcohol consumption, even though it has already dropped by 10 percent since 2010.

Around a third of alcohol-related deaths were a result of injuries, including car crashes and self-harm, while about one in five were due to either digestive disorders or cardiovascular diseases. Cancers, infectious diseases, mental disorders and other health conditions were also to blame.

From the Chapter 4 summary:

In 2016, the harmful use of alcohol resulted in some 3 million deaths (5.3% of all deaths) worldwide and 132.6 million disability-adjusted life years (DALYs) – i.e. 5.1% of all DALYs in that year. Mortality resulting from alcohol consumption is higher than that caused by diseases such as tuberculosis, HIV/AIDS and diabetes. Among men in 2016, an estimated 2.3 million deaths and 106.5 million DALYs were attributable to the consumption of alcohol. Women experienced 0.7 million deaths and 26.1 million DALYs attributable to alcohol consumption.

Related: The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking is Healthy
Study Shows 3 Drinks a Day May Cause Liver Cancer
Even Moderate Drinking Linked to a Decline in Brain Health
American Society of Clinical Oncology: Alcohol Use Increases Risk of Cancer
Study: No "Safe" Level of Alcohol Consumption


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  • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Thursday August 28 2014, @06:51PM

    by bzipitidoo (4388) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 28 2014, @06:51PM (#86861) Journal

    I've always been skeptical of claims that drinking small quantities of alcohol is healthy. The wine industry always seems to be backing studies that show wine is healthy. Sometimes beer companies chime in with a health claim or two about beer. And while I think there's something to that, I wonder. Is it the grapes that make wine healthy, not the alcohol? Is grape juice healthier than wine?

    If grape juice is healthier, then what about eating grapes and drinking water? Might that be even healthier? The big problem with fruit juice is it removes all the fiber that was in the fruit and leaves only the sugars, water, and some flavoring. Far better to have an orange with water than to have orange juice.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by tathra on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:03PM

      by tathra (3367) on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:03PM (#86865)

      the concept is called hormesis [wikipedia.org], and while its been known about for a long time, its still not well understood, but it does generally imply that small doses of poison can be good for you . [huffingtonpost.com]

      • (Score: 4, Funny) by DECbot on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:10PM

        by DECbot (832) on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:10PM (#86867) Journal
        They were both poisoned. I spent the last few years building up an immunity to iocane powder.
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        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:15PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:15PM (#86872)

          This corn is raw!
          I know, isn't it wonderful? It's so crisp!
          Of course it's crisp! It's raw!
          No, it's terrific. You can just taste the Vitamin A and E in here. It's great.
          Could we have pills and *cook* the corn?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:43PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:43PM (#86892)

            Um, you have to nixtamalize corn. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellagra [wikipedia.org]

    • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:17PM

      by bob_super (1357) on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:17PM (#86875)

      As a single datapoint, alcohol cause vasodilation, which helps blood flow. In many people, especially in fat-heavy modern societies, that may have a significant positive effect on health.

      Sure, you can also improve blood flow with aspirin, but alcohol has been found in over-ripened fruits for longer than apes have been doing agriculture (see the occasional drunk elephant story), making me conjecture that we probably developed the capacity to process small quantities with minimal harm.

      Other elements naturally found in wine are also conjectured to help given our growing reliance on over-processed foods. Would the same amount of grape or grape juice produce the same benefits? Probably, if you can convince people to eat or drink the right amount when there is no alcohol.

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by DaTrueDave on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:28PM

        by DaTrueDave (3144) on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:28PM (#86883)

        Heh... You reminded me of this scene from a funny old documentary. All the animals have spent the day gorging themselves on warm, slightly fermented Marula fruit, which then ferments a bit more in their bellies. Funny results: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opLbm0Ldl1k [youtube.com]

        And, having been to Africa a few times, I'll attest to the delicious potency of Marula liquor. You can try it without going to Africa by trying a bottle of Amarula next time you're in a liquor store. Creamy, fruity alcoholic greatness. Goes great on ice cream or in shakes.

        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday August 28 2014, @10:51PM

          by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Thursday August 28 2014, @10:51PM (#86957) Homepage
          You've earnt all my moderation points just for that youtube link! I haven't laughed so much for ages. My g/f and I were mostly in agreement over which ones were me, and which ones were her!
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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @09:09AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @09:09AM (#87103)

          C'thulu's at 4:33!

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by khallow on Thursday August 28 2014, @08:38PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 28 2014, @08:38PM (#86908) Journal

        Other elements naturally found in wine are also conjectured to help given our growing reliance on over-processed foods.

        So why isn't wine itself considered one of the oldest processed foods out there? (Well, aside perhaps from considering beverages as not being foods.) It is pretty heavily processed after all.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by bob_super on Thursday August 28 2014, @08:46PM

          by bob_super (1357) on Thursday August 28 2014, @08:46PM (#86913)

          I think it's the distinction between "I've harvested stuff, let me crush, mix, filter, ferment it" and "Yeah, food manufacturing takes way too long and costs too much, can I build something that looks the same using half the recipe, plus corn syrup, some derivative of crude oil, artificial colors and cellulose?"

          Both are an exaggeration, but the extreme cases that make it in the media (and clever Wine advertising) shape the perception.

        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @08:29AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @08:29AM (#87092)

          From what I've heard, beer is even older. Indeed, some people even hypothesise that the production of beer was the original reason for humans to settle and do agriculture.

        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @02:08PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @02:08PM (#87199)
          Olive oil and coconut oil are processed foods too, doesn't stop some paleo nuts from considering them "paleo". But given that most don't eat insects and their grubs, I doubt they are really serious in following a real paleo diet ;).
    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:29PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:29PM (#86885) Journal

      I've always been skeptical of claims that drinking small quantities of alcohol is healthy. The wine industry always seems to be backing studies that show wine is healthy. Sometimes beer companies chime in with a health claim or two about beer. And while I think there's something to that, I wonder. Is it the grapes that make wine healthy, not the alcohol? Is grape juice healthier than wine?

       
      Somewhat addressed by the article:
       
        Resveratrol. Don’t get me started on resveratrol, a supplement based on an antioxidant found in the skin of red grapes which, in early studies done in test tubes and with animals, was proposed to account for the heart-healthy benefits of wine. I identified this claim as bullshit from the start. It was simply a way to avoid recognizing that alcohol is good for you by claiming instead that alcohol’s benefits are due to some other ingredient. I was thus beside myself when research conducted at Johns Hopkins finding that resveratrol has no significant impact on lifespan or heart disease, led to nonsequitur headlines like this one: “Sorry! Red Wine isn’t good for you after all.” (It was never red wine to start with, but beverage alcohol!)

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by TheLink on Friday August 29 2014, @02:34PM

      by TheLink (332) on Friday August 29 2014, @02:34PM (#87207) Journal
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28 2014, @06:59PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28 2014, @06:59PM (#86863)

    Not with the meds I'm taking it's not.

  • (Score: 2) by Lagg on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:11PM

    by Lagg (105) on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:11PM (#86868) Homepage Journal

    I seem to recall pretty much my entire life and before that the rule of thumb is that a sip of wine is good for everyone, even pregnant women. I guess it's nice to have a revisiting of the idea in 2014 though now that we're familiar with the effects and composition of it.

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by frojack on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:43PM

      by frojack (1554) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:43PM (#86891) Journal

      American culture has a tendency to become very absolutist on many subjects, and only slowly to admit wrong-headedness when the facts are in. It engenders total bans or outright criminalization of things based on the flimsiest of evidence, before research is even complete.

      Coffee is bad for you. It will stunt children's growth.
      Salt is bad for you, everyone must cut down on salt.
      Peanuts should never be served because some people have Peanut Allergies. (We did that to ourselves [sciencemag.org]).
      Marijuana is bad for you and a reefer today locks you into Heroin tomorrow.

      It turns out that there is a very small window of time where exposure to alcohol in the womb presents any danger at all, and the mother has to be a fairly heavy drinker to have any risk at all [wikipedia.org]. Her daily glass of wine isn't a problem. But in typical nanny state thinking, BAN It ALL, and the father shouldn't drink either out of sympathy or something.

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      • (Score: 2) by MrGuy on Thursday August 28 2014, @08:02PM

        by MrGuy (1007) on Thursday August 28 2014, @08:02PM (#86897)

        You forgot "Fats [soylentnews.org] are much worse for you than carbohydrates. [soylentnews.org]"

        • (Score: 2) by frojack on Thursday August 28 2014, @08:08PM

          by frojack (1554) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 28 2014, @08:08PM (#86901) Journal

          Agreed, the list is pretty much endless.

          Throw in a religious element and things get even worse.

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          • (Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Thursday August 28 2014, @10:30PM

            by c0lo (156) on Thursday August 28 2014, @10:30PM (#86943) Journal

            Throw in a religious element and things get even worse.

            You'll never see me eating a Bible.

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            • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Friday August 29 2014, @09:52AM

              by GreatAuntAnesthesia (3275) on Friday August 29 2014, @09:52AM (#87109) Journal

              Eating it is probably healthier for you than reading it.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @02:18PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @02:18PM (#87203)
                My mind can certainly cope with its contents better than my stomach can cope with eating a book.

                Perhaps you should become one of those Dawkin atheists and gain a healthy independent mind. ;)
      • (Score: 5, Interesting) by tathra on Thursday August 28 2014, @08:34PM

        by tathra (3367) on Thursday August 28 2014, @08:34PM (#86905)

        Marijuana is bad for you and a reefer today locks you into Heroin tomorrow.

        that one doesn't really belong because all drugs (except the white man's drug, alcohol) were criminalized due to racism* [io9.com] and little else. the science on pretty much all drugs shows lots of benefits and very few negatives, but there wasn't even any flimsy evidence used in banning them, just outright racism.

        * yeah, the link is only about marijuana's criminalization, but if you care to research it you'll see its true for all the rest as well.

        • (Score: 1) by Jesus_666 on Friday August 29 2014, @11:52AM

          by Jesus_666 (3044) on Friday August 29 2014, @11:52AM (#87148)
          Well, that and Hearst trying to protect his investments in certain industries like cotton and timber (IIRC). Never underestimate the power of a media mogul, especially when his money is at stake.
      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28 2014, @08:45PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28 2014, @08:45PM (#86912)

        It turns out that there is a very small window of time where exposure to alcohol in the womb presents any danger at all, and the mother has to be a fairly heavy drinker to have any risk at all.

        Being a heavy drinker may be required for real damage, but the timeline where the damage can occur is not a small window, its basically from week 3 on [asu.edu], with the worst damage being done if drinking between weeks 3 and 8.

        A daily glass of wine may be acceptable during the 3rd trimester, but it should absolutely be avoided for the first trimester.

      • (Score: 2) by Lagg on Thursday August 28 2014, @08:47PM

        by Lagg (105) on Thursday August 28 2014, @08:47PM (#86914) Homepage Journal

        Even though I'm american myself I tend to agree. Because of this narrow and black and white mindset, I see people suffering pretty much once every month because of the "X is bad for you it must be banned forevar" stuff. I sure hope that we can fix this someday.

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        • (Score: 4, Funny) by fliptop on Friday August 29 2014, @01:53AM

          by fliptop (1666) on Friday August 29 2014, @01:53AM (#87006) Journal

          I see people suffering pretty much once every month because of the "X is bad for you it must be banned forevar" stuff. I sure hope that we can fix this someday.

          You want to ban banning?

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      • (Score: 2) by buswolley on Thursday August 28 2014, @09:59PM

        by buswolley (848) on Thursday August 28 2014, @09:59PM (#86935)

        Not just American cultures, but almost all cultures will be absolutists about some things, and relativists about others. Picking out Americans is just more bullshit.

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        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday August 28 2014, @10:35PM

          by c0lo (156) on Thursday August 28 2014, @10:35PM (#86945) Journal

          Not just American cultures, but almost all cultures will be absolutists about some things, and relativists about others. Picking out Americans is just more bullshit.

          Yeap, pretty much correlates with the protestant extremists (puritan) culture - the tendency towards righteousness may play a role; catholics are more inclined towards authoritarianism.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @08:36AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @08:36AM (#87094)

        Coffee is bad for you. It will stunt children's growth.

        Well, fortunately I'm adult, and I don't need any further growth.

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by black_trout on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:15PM

    by black_trout (4601) on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:15PM (#86873)

    “Son, never trust a man who doesn’t drink because he’s probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They’re the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They’re usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they’re a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can’t trust a man who’s afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It’s damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he’s heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl.”

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday August 28 2014, @09:21PM

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Thursday August 28 2014, @09:21PM (#86923) Homepage

      That's just...sad. Anybody who makes drinking a centerpiece of their social life, or any aspect of their life for that matter is using it as a crutch because they are too weak to face reality as nature intended.

      And even worse is your attempt at peer pressure, like a billboard or commercial you put great effort into convincing others that becoming intoxicated is somehow "cool," and a sign of self-actualization and worldly knowledge.

      Well, it's not. Puking your guts out with your knees wallowing in your own misfired piss, waking up with a sledgehammer headache and a mouth so dry that the roof of it feels like sandpaper, all after waking up naked and finding your shit-stained underwear next to you on the floor and the herpectic juices of a ten-dollar prostitute wafting their stench right into your nostrils. And furthermore, the damage to Ba HA HAAAAAAA!

      FUCK YEAH! LET'S GET FUCKING WASTED AND FUCK WITH THE LAMENESS BOT ALL NIGHT!

      • (Score: 2) by tynin on Thursday August 28 2014, @09:47PM

        by tynin (2013) on Thursday August 28 2014, @09:47PM (#86927) Journal

        LOL.

        I like to think that I'm much more mature now. I keep my toilet bowl clean so I can vomit in comfort!

        Happy Friday Eve!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28 2014, @09:54PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28 2014, @09:54PM (#86929)
      • (Score: 2) by gringer on Friday August 29 2014, @05:51AM

        by gringer (962) on Friday August 29 2014, @05:51AM (#87060)

        FUCK YEAH! LET'S GET FUCKING WASTED AND FUCK WITH THE LAMENESS BOT ALL NIGHT!

        I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW IF A POST CAN NOW BE IN ALL CAPS WITHOUT TRIGGERING LAMENESS.

        • (Score: 2) by mtrycz on Friday August 29 2014, @08:53AM

          by mtrycz (60) on Friday August 29 2014, @08:53AM (#87098)

          It happens at times, when it's fueled with ethanol.

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by frojack on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:22PM

    by frojack (1554) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:22PM (#86878) Journal

    In spite of the American panic and alcohol-nazi propaganda, there is scant evidence that alcohol in moderation harms children.

    This will come as no shock to Italian or French parents who's children historically were allowed (small and often watered down) amounts of wine with evening meals for generations. As a child I remember having watered wine at a very early age on special occasions.

    There was a recent news article [foxnews.com] on this which point to research [eurekalert.org] which indicates "sipping" as children does not have any indicative value in predicting alcohol problems.

    The fact that the research and the news report had to use the term "sipping" to keep the alcohol-nazis away is pretty indicative of the power of this bunch of nanny-state busybodies.

    You just don't find this kind of hysteria in France [theguardian.com] and Italy [time.com].

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    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:35PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:35PM (#86887)

      One of the things that I like about living in Texas is that I may serve alcohol to my own kids. In public. With no legal worries. My kid is 14, can't stand beer, likes a few really sweet fruity or creamy drinks, but most of the time takes a sip and turns up his nose at alcohol.

      My parents raised me in a similar manner. I could have alcoholic drinks inside my own home. As a result, there was no mystique when I went to high school and friends wanted to go someplace and drink beer. It just didn't appeal to me and I think that kept me out of no small amount of trouble.

      Now, I'm described by this study. I have 1-2 drinks probably 4-5 days per week. I don't think it has affected me negatively in any way, and has probably provided some stress-reducing benefits!

    • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday August 28 2014, @10:18PM

      by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday August 28 2014, @10:18PM (#86937)

      I don't know who this "We" is in the title that won't admit drinking is healthy...I've grown up hearing that a glass or two of wine a night is good for you my whole life (I'm 25). And my parents don't have more than that that I'm aware of.

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    • (Score: 2) by TGV on Friday August 29 2014, @05:39AM

      by TGV (2838) on Friday August 29 2014, @05:39AM (#87057)

      Alcohol-nazi? You should try to moderate.

  • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:23PM

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:23PM (#86879) Journal

    I was curious what their definition of "moderate" was.

    FTA: “1 to 2 drinks per day for women and 2 to 4 drinks per day for men are inversely associated with total mortality.”

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28 2014, @11:38PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28 2014, @11:38PM (#86972)

      I'd imagine the expendable income and time to consume 2 to 4 drinks per day has nothing to do with it.

      • (Score: 5, Funny) by hemocyanin on Friday August 29 2014, @12:10AM

        by hemocyanin (186) on Friday August 29 2014, @12:10AM (#86987) Journal

        Stop making excuses. You can some cheapo vodka for $10/750ml. At 45 ml/shot, that's 16.667 shots -- lets call it 16 for the occasional spillage. That's 63 cents per shot. Call it $2.50 for four shots which should take no more than four minutes if you are lazy about it.

        Anyone who can't spare four minutes of time and $2.50 -- has so many problems they need a drink!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @10:48AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @10:48AM (#87118)

          I presently earn less than groceries for two people costs. Think I can afford it?

  • (Score: 1) by Chillgamesh on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:24PM

    by Chillgamesh (4619) on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:24PM (#86880)

    People who have a habit of drinking around 2-4 drinks a day tend to stay home and drink instead of being outside where there are more risks.

    People who drink more are either doing it at the bar (risky) or reaching a level of intoxication that causes them higher risk.

    Perhaps people who dont drink are more stressed (risk) and dont spend their time at home with a safe slight buzz

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Freeman on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:27PM

    by Freeman (732) on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:27PM (#86882) Journal

    Here is an interesting article that pretty much sums up the current state of affairs: http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/111/2/e10.full [ahajournals.org]

    This study also compared red wine and grape juice: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12083471 [nih.gov]

    Really, the first article I mentioned says it best: "The potential risks and benefits of alcohol should be assessed on a case-by-case basis. Thus, patients are not advised to drink wine for their health, but rather to drink—moderately—to their health."

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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:48PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:48PM (#86894)

    My personal theory is that humans need to occasionally become intoxicated as a way of coping with the stress of social interaction.
    Intelligence in animals correlates with socialization - social animals tend to be significantly smarter than loners. Parrots, ravens, elephants, dolphins, monkeys, etc. Most social animals also get intoxicated on purpose. [australiangeographic.com.au]

    If you don't find a way to release the mental stress of being a thinker, then you end up unhealthy in other ways like making bad decisions or just more stress hormones in the body causing long-term inflammation.

    That my theory about why we occasionally need to get drunk based on nothing more than the way I think the world works.

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday August 28 2014, @10:40PM

      by c0lo (156) on Thursday August 28 2014, @10:40PM (#86947) Journal

      My personal theory is that humans need to occasionally become intoxicated as a way of coping with the stress of social interaction.

      Not copying with the said interaction bears a name: it's called chronic hypo-alcoholemia.

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    • (Score: 1) by fritsd on Friday August 29 2014, @11:04AM

      by fritsd (4586) on Friday August 29 2014, @11:04AM (#87125) Journal
      Then it's good that humanity has invented Carnaval [wikipedia.org] as a safety valve for stratified societies. With a mask on, everybody looks the same (drunk). And they're all just people, just like you.
    • (Score: 2) by TheLink on Friday August 29 2014, @02:23PM

      by TheLink (332) on Friday August 29 2014, @02:23PM (#87204) Journal
  • (Score: 2, Funny) by arulatas on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:59PM

    by arulatas (3600) on Thursday August 28 2014, @07:59PM (#86896)

    I guess it is a good thing that I brew fro myself and my family's... ehem... health.

    --
    ----- 10 turns around
  • (Score: 2) by lajos on Thursday August 28 2014, @08:04PM

    by lajos (528) on Thursday August 28 2014, @08:04PM (#86898)

    rationalization is the new American dream.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by e_armadillo on Thursday August 28 2014, @08:08PM

    by e_armadillo (3695) on Thursday August 28 2014, @08:08PM (#86902)

    Note, I didn't read TFA, don't really care to. Not being able to control her drinking killed my mother, and since I saw the same tendencies in myself, I quit almost 10 years ago. That said, I don't believe that nobody should drink, just not me. If that means I will check out a little earlier, so be it.

    --
    "How are we gonna get out of here?" ... "We'll dig our way out!" ... "No, no, dig UP stupid!"
    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by fliptop on Friday August 29 2014, @02:01AM

      by fliptop (1666) on Friday August 29 2014, @02:01AM (#87008) Journal

      I quit almost 10 years ago

      Right there w/ ya bro, this month marks 12 years for me. Sorry about your mom.

      My reason for quitting? Came home from OzzFest w/ a hangover that lasted days. Figured I wasn't 18 anymore and that was it. Always the designated driver since, which is fine w/ me.

      --
      To be oneself, and unafraid whether right or wrong, is more admirable than the easy cowardice of surrender to conformity
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @10:51AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @10:51AM (#87119)

        I'm much the same.

        I found that I couldn't drink in moderation, so I stopped. Moderation, for me, means fewer than five drinks.

        I was playing the Assassin's Creed 2 series while drinking a bottle of Bailey's every night.

  • (Score: 2) by JeanCroix on Thursday August 28 2014, @08:19PM

    by JeanCroix (573) on Thursday August 28 2014, @08:19PM (#86904)
    Ethanol-Fueled had it right all along.
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28 2014, @09:05PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28 2014, @09:05PM (#86920)

    not sure it's healthy as in ... uhm ah ... whats healthy anyway?
    for me its mental health. with all the crap on the internet to sift thru to get to the meat (so to speak) it helps me to nuke all those crazy synapses that got formed in the crap sifting process. afterall, processing requires understanding and thus ... learnin
    the best indicator of a well done nuke session is the headache on the next morning.
    sure, overall i get dumber but at least theres no crap in this propaganda free brain ; )

    • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday August 28 2014, @10:24PM

      by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday August 28 2014, @10:24PM (#86940)

      ... uhm ah ... whats healthy anyway?

      You know, that state you reach after you cut everything you enjoy out of your life.

      --
      "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
      • (Score: 2) by tathra on Friday August 29 2014, @12:23AM

        by tathra (3367) on Friday August 29 2014, @12:23AM (#86989)

        ... uhm ah ... whats healthy anyway?

        You know, that state you reach after you cut everything you enjoy out of your life.

        only if you enjoy living a disgusting, filthy lifestyle. the intersection of the venn diagram of "healthy" and "enjoyable" is huge.

        • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday August 29 2014, @02:47PM

          by tangomargarine (667) on Friday August 29 2014, @02:47PM (#87217)

          If you read health magazines, the number of different ways that food can be unhealthy for you seems to be functionally infinite. So in practice, anything I actually enjoy the flavor of has something supposedly harmful to me in it. I guess if you really like eating plain carrots and celery and drinking water, good on you.

          --
          "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @03:50PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @03:50PM (#87252)

        Hey I was under the weather and I wasn’t getting better so I went to get a physical check
        And when I went to the doc it was a heck of a shock, he told me boy you are a miserable wreck.
        He said your liver’s all swollen and your stomach’s got a hole in it from drinkin too much for too long.
        And there’s a good indication you’ve got bad circulation cause your blood pressure almost gone

        And you got no reflexes in your solar plexus when I tap you on the top of your knee.
        He said your pulse ain’t steady and your lungs getting ready to collapse every time that you breathe.
        And at the rate you’re goin all the tests are showin; boy you’ll never live to get old.
        But I came up with a plan to make you healthy again, but boy you gotta do what you’re told.

        That’s when he told me

        Chorus

        If you dig it don’t do it
        And if you like it better leave it alone
        And if it’s too much fun that outta clue you son
        That you’re probably doing something that wrong
        And I’m surprised at you and all the things you do
        Boy cause that ain’t what your body is for
        And if you think its bad so far wait til’ after this guitar
        Cause the doctor said a whole lot more

        Solo

        He told me cut out your boozing, quit them drugs you been using and don’t be smoking no cigarettes.
        And you know lovin a stranger nowadays boy, man is just like playin Russian roulette.
        And get the grease out your diet, better broil it don’t fry it and don’t you eat no more Bar-B-Que.
        I wouldn’t tell you no lie, take this rule and apply. Now, son listen to what you better do.

        Chorus

        If you dig it don’t do it
        And if you like it better leave it alone
        And if it’s too much fun that outta clue you son
        That you’re probably doing something that wrong
        And if it’s too good to you well don’t let it fool you
        Cause you’re playin in the danger zone
        And I kept waitin and waitin for the man to finish, but the sucker just went on and on.

        Solo

        And then he told me cut out all sweets and don’t be cramping your feet in them pointed-toe Italian shoes.
        And he said boy lookie here you gonna damage your ears playin them loud rockin rhythm and blues.
        And if a rabbit don’t eat it buddy you don’t need it, that’s the rules on your new menu
        You better get you a pen I ain’t gonna say it again cause there’s a whole lot more that you need to do.
        You need to lose some weight; you need to stand up straight, boy your posture is a terrible disgrace.
        You need to suck in your gut; you need to tuck in your butt; you need to clear them zits up off of your face.

        Chorus

        If you dig it don’t do it
        And if you like it better leave it alone
        And if it’s too much fun that outta clue you son
        That you’re probably doing something that wrong
        And if it’s too good to you well don’t let it fool you
        Cause you’re playin in the danger zone
        And I kept waitin and waitin for the man to finish, but the sucker just went on and on….. on and on…. and on…..and on….. and on.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcUWF8_QpJE [youtube.com]

  • (Score: 1) by unitron on Friday August 29 2014, @01:22AM

    by unitron (70) on Friday August 29 2014, @01:22AM (#87004) Journal

    ...healthy nor unhealthy.

    Drinking has no health.

    The question is whether or not it is healthful for those who drink.

    --
    something something Slashcott something something Beta something something
    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @08:48AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @08:48AM (#87097)

      Found here: [vocabulary.com]
      But according to the Oxford English Dictionary, healthy has been a synonym for healthful since its earliest appearance in print... in 1552.

  • (Score: 1) by Yates on Friday August 29 2014, @03:23AM

    by Yates (3947) on Friday August 29 2014, @03:23AM (#87035)

    Does anyone remember this story from a couple of months ago?

    Excessive drinking causes 10 percent of deaths in working adults [npr.org]

    Unfortunately not everyone has the ability to drink with moderation.

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @08:53AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @08:53AM (#87099)

      Unfortunately not everyone has the ability to drink with moderation.

      Quite the opposite: Too much moderation of the wrong type can cause you to drink. Especially moderations like -1 Offtopic or -1 Troll.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @11:36AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @11:36AM (#87141)

        lol