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posted by LaminatorX on Thursday December 11 2014, @10:28AM   Printer-friendly [Skip to comment(s)]
from the natural-family-planning dept.

Count natural family planning among the ways young people are hearkening back to the practices of their grandparents as Olga Khazan reports at The Atlantic that new apps are letting women know if they can have sex with their partners without a condom or a contraceptive pill using calendar-based contraception. The underlying motive is not so much trendiness as it is a dissatisfaction with the Pill, which is still the most common form of birth control for women. In a recent CDC study of 12,000 American women, 63 percent of women who stopped using the Pill did so due to its side effects (PDF). And while as of 2010, only about 22 percent of women used “periodic abstinence," an umbrella term that includes counting days, measuring temperature, and tracking cervical mucus to predict fertility, their ranks may grow as new apps and other technologies make it easier to manage the historically error-prone task of measuring, recording, and analyzing one’s cycle in order to stay baby-free.

CycleBeads, for example, is an iPhone app that allows women to track fertility based on the Standard Days Method, a system developed by Georgetown University's Institute for Reproductive Health in which specific days of each woman’s cycle are considered infertile. While the method is not as effective for women who have cycles outside of the 26-32 day range, Leslie Heyer says that its success rate is about 95 percent for “perfect use” and 88 percent for “typical use,” which would mean it beats condoms and falls just short of the Pill. “At first [my husband and I] were worried,” says Kate, a woman who began using CycleBeads nearly three years ago after experiencing weight gain and moodiness on the Pill, “but then we got used to it and have grown to trust it. I honestly can't imagine ever going back on the Pill.”

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  • (Score: 2) by dyingtolive on Thursday December 11 2014, @10:45AM

    by dyingtolive (952) on Thursday December 11 2014, @10:45AM (#125002)

    Yeah, maybe I'd chance that if I was married to her. Maybe. Twelve percent is a pretty big margin of failure for the consequences.

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    • (Score: 1) by xorsyst on Thursday December 11 2014, @12:03PM

      by xorsyst (1372) on Thursday December 11 2014, @12:03PM (#125018)

      88% is fine if children wouldn't be a disaster. Maybe, as a couple, you don't want kids right now but want them in a couple of years, for example. If it fails, well, it's not a big deal.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 11 2014, @12:57PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 11 2014, @12:57PM (#125029)

        Women do not give a fuck about "their" man. They care about baby and money.

        Young girls care about the man sometimes.
        Marry female children.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 11 2014, @11:42PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 11 2014, @11:42PM (#125305)

          That really escalated quickly.

      • (Score: 4, Funny) by dyingtolive on Thursday December 11 2014, @01:56PM

        by dyingtolive (952) on Thursday December 11 2014, @01:56PM (#125039)

        I mean, that's like a 1 on a d8. My odds of doing that are about 90% or so.

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        • (Score: 3, Funny) by DeathMonkey on Thursday December 11 2014, @06:34PM

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday December 11 2014, @06:34PM (#125166) Journal

          Don't worry. The D&D method of birth control is still 99.9% effective.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Kromagv0 on Thursday December 11 2014, @01:15PM

      by Kromagv0 (1825) on Thursday December 11 2014, @01:15PM (#125030) Homepage

      One of the best methods if you don't want any or more children is to just go get a vasectomy. My wife was surprised at my lack of reservations in having it done. As a side benefit I got to play the doctor said I can't do anything for 3 days since you don't want to pop a stitch card . It isn't bad and if you have ever had saddle sore it feels like a bade case for about 4-5 days. I'll gladly take that than more children.

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      • (Score: 1) by xorsyst on Thursday December 11 2014, @02:09PM

        by xorsyst (1372) on Thursday December 11 2014, @02:09PM (#125047)

        Agreed - not good if you're planning to have kids in the future, but when you're done having them a nice easy solution. Until then, the injection for women is pretty underated.

        • (Score: 2) by Wootery on Thursday December 11 2014, @02:36PM

          by Wootery (2341) on Thursday December 11 2014, @02:36PM (#125058)

          Agreed - not good if you're planning to have kids in the future

          Why?

          "Put it on ice, doc."

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 11 2014, @03:05PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 11 2014, @03:05PM (#125069)

          IUD is better than the injection - even the ones with slow release hormones are better than injections because the amount of hormones is much less since they are delivered right where it matters most. Biggest downside is if she likes powerful sex toys (like a sybian) then it isn't safe.

      • (Score: 2) by Covalent on Thursday December 11 2014, @05:07PM

        by Covalent (43) on Thursday December 11 2014, @05:07PM (#125137) Journal

        Agreed! Mine hurt for about a day but I milked it for an entire weekend of sports, Star Trek, and food brought to me couch-side.

        I'd get one once a month if such a thing were possible. And I love my 2 children a lot more than I would if I have 6. :)

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      • (Score: 2) by cafebabe on Friday December 12 2014, @10:17PM

        by cafebabe (894) on Friday December 12 2014, @10:17PM (#125610) Journal
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 11 2014, @03:01PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 11 2014, @03:01PM (#125068)

      > Yeah, maybe I'd chance that if I was married to her. Maybe. Twelve percent is a pretty big margin of failure for the consequences.

      The context of contraceptive effectiveness numbers isn't intuitive - it is not 12% chance of pregnancy each time they have sex, it is 12% chance of pregnancy in a year's worth of sex.

      • (Score: 2) by dyingtolive on Thursday December 11 2014, @04:35PM

        by dyingtolive (952) on Thursday December 11 2014, @04:35PM (#125113)

        Okay, that makes it sound much less terrible, but I believe the pill is still about half that. That's still a substantial difference.

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      • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 11 2014, @07:37PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 11 2014, @07:37PM (#125193)

        > a year's worth of sex

        So twice?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 11 2014, @07:53PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 11 2014, @07:53PM (#125202)

          > a year's worth of sex

          So twice?

          Naa, Birthday sex is 0 risk, stomach acid is a powerful spermicide. Christmas sex, well, that's the worry, eh?

  • (Score: 2) by zeigerpuppy on Thursday December 11 2014, @11:22AM

    by zeigerpuppy (1298) on Thursday December 11 2014, @11:22AM (#125010)

    Remember that you need to compare appropriate measures. While the pill has 99% theoretical efficacy, it's practical efficacy is closer to 90% (forgetting to take pill, improperly digesting it, etc.)
    Even condoms break, lowering their effectiveness to about 95%.

    So in comparison, 88% isn't bad. One way of improving the rhythm method is shortening the period considered "safe".
    In my experience, the rhythm method also had positive effects on relationships, getting to know your partner's cycle is generally positive for intimacy.

    • (Score: 2) by cafebabe on Friday December 12 2014, @10:27PM

      by cafebabe (894) on Friday December 12 2014, @10:27PM (#125613) Journal

      Pill 10% failure * condom 5% failure * rhythm method 12% failure = 0.06% failure or 99.94% success. I wonder what would be necessary for 99.999% success?

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  • (Score: 2) by Dunbal on Thursday December 11 2014, @11:45AM

    by Dunbal (3515) on Thursday December 11 2014, @11:45AM (#125012)

    Waiting for the App company to be sued for child support by a few mothers when they discover how effective the rhythm method is.

    • (Score: 2) by Alfred on Thursday December 11 2014, @03:31PM

      by Alfred (4006) on Thursday December 11 2014, @03:31PM (#125082) Journal
      Not gonna happen. The plaintiff would have to prove they followed instructions perfectly without relying solely on their testimony. And I would bet that the app maker has a disclaimer screen or a you forfeit your right to sue style EULA.
  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday December 11 2014, @12:40PM

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday December 11 2014, @12:40PM (#125024) Journal

    My wife is one of those who can't handle pill because of the side effects--constant nausea and headaches. an app like these will help.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 11 2014, @11:58PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 11 2014, @11:58PM (#125309)

      I stopped having sex about four years ago for personal reasons (not religious) but my last girlfriend had those same problems. She went back to her doctor and got her Rx changed to another formulation and everything was fine. She did have a bit of weight gain, just a few pounds, but managed that with more exercise. It also increased her sex drive dramatically, but that might have been from reduced anxiety of getting pregnant and not the pill itself.

      Rhythm method seems like it could work if the woman is fairly regular and extremely vigilant, the biology behind it is sound in principle, but I don't think I'd be able to trust it enough to enjoy the sex. If you're married and already have children, or don't want them, the best solution is a vasectomy.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @11:09PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @11:09PM (#125617)

      You guys don't need an app. You could have always done it with paper.

  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday December 11 2014, @12:45PM

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 11 2014, @12:45PM (#125026) Journal
    And so the day the phone is smarter than the owners came one step closer.
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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 11 2014, @12:55PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 11 2014, @12:55PM (#125028)

    Men should marry female children. This is allowed in the old testament and almost all other old religions (vedic, muslim, etc etc).

    You will have many years of not popping out babies. Once babby, then woman doesn't give a fuck about you anymore: you're done. She divorces you soon enough.

    Hans Reiser did the right thing.

  • (Score: 1) by WillAdams on Thursday December 11 2014, @01:51PM

    by WillAdams (1424) on Thursday December 11 2014, @01:51PM (#125037)

    They should add in a measurement of the woman's basal body temperature:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billings_ovulation_method [wikipedia.org]

    • (Score: 2) by goodie on Friday December 12 2014, @02:44AM

      by goodie (1877) on Friday December 12 2014, @02:44AM (#125356) Journal

      Although quite the opposite of this (or maybe not), that's already part of many pregnancy/conception apps. My wife tried it, it proved too difficult to follow in terms of discipline (same time every day etc.). Ovulation kits are expensive but if you have some sort of idea as to when it should be, they can help.

    • (Score: 2) by mojo chan on Friday December 12 2014, @08:57AM

      by mojo chan (266) on Friday December 12 2014, @08:57AM (#125413)

      Temperature measurement is a popular technique in Japan. Omron make a thermometer that connects to your smart phone (NFC, or Bluetooth for iPhones and old Android devices) and lets you see the data in an app.

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  • (Score: 4, Funny) by Snotnose on Thursday December 11 2014, @04:13PM

    by Snotnose (1623) on Thursday December 11 2014, @04:13PM (#125099)

    Parents!

    / old joke from the 70s

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @12:48AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @12:48AM (#125328)

      The Pill was approved May 9, 1960.

      -- gewg_

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @02:47AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @02:47AM (#125359)

      My wife & I used the rhythm method.

      We have 3 children, none planned.

      Pro tip: If she seems, um, extra lubricated yet not in the mood - that's ovulation. Aaaaaaand a baby's on the way.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by dltaylor on Thursday December 11 2014, @06:24PM

    by dltaylor (4693) on Thursday December 11 2014, @06:24PM (#125160)

    One of my female acquaintances is really a fan of the IUD. She has been interviewed about it on an NPR show. She tells me that they are much improved over what I remember from "back when".

    Nothing to "remember", except a regular visit to the gynecologist. No protection against STDs, of course, but it does handle a case of non-consensual sex, as well as spur-of-the-moment passion.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @11:12PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12 2014, @11:12PM (#125618)

      I'm on a general class action suit mailing list because I was a party to one. There are a lot of lawsuits against IUD companies for dangerous side effects. She might want to look into it.

  • (Score: 2) by hoochiecoochieman on Thursday December 11 2014, @07:21PM

    by hoochiecoochieman (4158) on Thursday December 11 2014, @07:21PM (#125186)

    I guess lots of babies will be called Steve or Tim in the next years.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 14 2014, @05:16AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 14 2014, @05:16AM (#125899)

    Having sex with a battery operated device affords more reliable protection than relying on one telling you when it's safe to have sex with a sugar powered device.