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posted by janrinok on Monday April 06 2015, @10:27PM   Printer-friendly
from the authoritarian-government dept.

Boing Boing reports

The exceptionally broad new surveillance bill lets the government do nearly unlimited warrantless mass surveillance, even of lawyer-client privileged communications, and bans warrant canaries, making it an offense to "disclose information about the existence or non-existence" of a warrant to spy on journalists.

Despite that move away from retaining communications metadata by the EU and continuing concerns in the US about the National Security Agency's bulk phone metadata spying program, the Australian government was able to push through the amendments implementing data retention thanks to the support of the main opposition party. Labor agreed to vote in favor of the Bill once a requirement to use special "journalist information warrants" was introduced for access to journalists' metadata, with a view to shielding their sources. No warrant is required for obtaining the metadata of other classes of users, not even privileged communications between lawyers and their clients. Even for journalists, the extra protection is weak, and the definition of what constitutes a journalist is rather narrow--bloggers and occasional writers are probably not covered.

Warrant canaries can't be used in this context either. Section 182A of the new law says that a person commits an offense if he or she discloses or uses information about "the existence or non-existence of such a [journalist information] warrant." The penalty upon conviction is two years imprisonment.

During the relatively quick passage of the amendments, the Australian government made the usual argument that metadata needs to be retained for long periods in order to fight terrorism and serious crime--even though the German experience is that, in practice, data retention does not help. Toward the end of the debate, when concerns about journalist sources were raised, one senior member of the Australian government adopted a more unusual approach to calming people's fears.

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From Australia: Legislation for Counter Piracy and Data Retention 11 comments

Two items of news from Australia which mirror similar stories from other countries in the West.

Australian legislation to counter piracy finally released

Kept under wraps until this morning [Mar 26], the site-blocking elements of the Copyright Amendment (Online Infringement) Bill 2015 are likely to please rights holders with their significant reach. The bill, which is set to cost telcos about $130,000 a year, contains no cap on the number of websites rights holders can request a judge to block in a single injunction.

Critics of the regime are likely to argue that having no cap on the scheme could result in what happened in India, where a number of legitimate websites were blocked, including Google services, when a judge agreed to block some 472 websites. An updated judgement fixed the error. But it appears consumers and rights groups won't be able to apply to a court to revoke blocks, as they are not listed as one of the types of parties that can do this.

The competition watchdog, the ACCC, and the communications regulator, the ACMA, are the only people envisaged by the government to be able to apply to revoke a block other than the people behind a blocked site, an internet service provider asked to block it, or a rights holder.

Mandatory Data Retention Becomes Law in Australia

The Australian Parliament has passed a series of amendments to the country's Telecommunications Interception and Access Act 1979, requiring "telecommunications service providers to retain for two years telecommunications data (not content) prescribed by regulations". The Coalition government and Labor party joined forces to pass the laws, ignoring a number of last-minute amendments from the Greens and other senators.

The Register reports that Attorney-General George Brandis continues to misrepresent the data retention requirement:

Brandis told ABC Radio's AM program this morning that “nothing is different to the way it has been for the last 20 years or so”. Yet Telstra recently told a Parliamentary Committee that it doesn't record IP addresses or missed call records for users of its mobile networks. So Telstra is clearly being asked to do something new.

The AM interview we've linked to above is worth a listen because Brandis, six months into the metadata debate, still can't speak with authority on the subject. He jitters and struggles to articulate his position. At times he makes little sense, such as when asked why we need metadata retention when there are so many alternative communications media for ne'er-do-wells to use. His response is that criminals always break the law and will continue to do so despite the new legislation.

Left unsettled is the cost of metadata retention to ISPs, which recently led them to write an open letter to George Brandis. One report suggests a cost of AU$3.98 per subscriber per year.

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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by fishybell on Monday April 06 2015, @10:38PM

    by fishybell (3156) on Monday April 06 2015, @10:38PM (#167218)

    This post has REDACTED been subject to a warrant.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Subsentient on Monday April 06 2015, @10:45PM

    by Subsentient (1111) on Monday April 06 2015, @10:45PM (#167220) Homepage Journal

    It should have been expected honestly. You were using the letter of the law to defeat the spirit, a spirit I don't like, but nonetheless that's what it was.
    It's a shame this happened but not at all surprising to me.

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by frojack on Monday April 06 2015, @11:28PM

      by frojack (1554) on Monday April 06 2015, @11:28PM (#167243) Journal

      In many ways, Australia is ha far more draconian country than the US.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Bot on Tuesday April 07 2015, @07:38AM

        by Bot (3902) on Tuesday April 07 2015, @07:38AM (#167350) Journal

        Democracy is when the elected do what electors want.
        Now somebody will tell me that the average elector is concerned with warrant canaries, right?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 07 2015, @10:19AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 07 2015, @10:19AM (#167377)

        Maybe, but the US Gov has greater reach and influence than the Australian Gov.

        The Australian Gov lacks the power to stop some Bolivian ambassador's plane from entering France, Portugal etc.
        http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/02/world/americas/bolivia-presidential-plane/ [cnn.com]

        I wonder though if the Australian Gov could get NZ to do what they did to Kim Dotcom. Might burn more being called a dog of Australia than of the US...

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by Immerman on Monday April 06 2015, @11:46PM

      by Immerman (3985) on Monday April 06 2015, @11:46PM (#167249)

      True, but then that tends to be a large purpose of the law - otherwise there wouldn't be nearly as many loopholes for the wealthy to exploit. It's only seen as a problem when the little guys manage to start exploiting them.

      • (Score: 1, Troll) by frojack on Monday April 06 2015, @11:50PM

        by frojack (1554) on Monday April 06 2015, @11:50PM (#167251) Journal

        Do the wealthy routinely reveal the existence of a secret warrant?

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        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Immerman on Tuesday April 07 2015, @12:38AM

          by Immerman (3985) on Tuesday April 07 2015, @12:38AM (#167268)

          Wrong question. It should be "Do the wealthy routinely try to ensure that they'll be informed of any secret warrants against them"

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by kaszz on Tuesday April 07 2015, @12:57AM

            by kaszz (4211) on Tuesday April 07 2015, @12:57AM (#167275) Journal

            Or perhaps "Will the 0,1% at the top ensure they get know about anything that may dislodge their power?".

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by bob_super on Monday April 06 2015, @10:51PM

    by bob_super (1357) on Monday April 06 2015, @10:51PM (#167223)

    I dream of a place where a spy agency would knock at the door of a business with a warrant signed by a judge, and request the cooperation of the good citizens who work there in apprehending the specific named alleged criminal for the greater good of society.
    Silly, ain't it?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 06 2015, @11:03PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 06 2015, @11:03PM (#167228)

      I hope you realize cops can get blank warrants presigned by a judge.

      • (Score: 5, Informative) by frojack on Monday April 06 2015, @11:20PM

        by frojack (1554) on Monday April 06 2015, @11:20PM (#167239) Journal

        The AC says:

        I hope you realize cops can get blank warrants presigned by a judge.

        Maybe in Australia, but in the US, either a State or Federal Judge commits a crime by signing a blank warrant.
        Some have been hounded from office for doing so.

        There are John Doe warrants issued (rarely), but even these must state enough information to prevent picking up
        any random citizen. Description, crime, locations, times etc.

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        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by PinkyGigglebrain on Tuesday April 07 2015, @09:01AM

          by PinkyGigglebrain (4458) on Tuesday April 07 2015, @09:01AM (#167368)
          "Some have been hounded from office for doing so."

          Have any been removed from office, prosecuted and been put in jail?
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        • (Score: 2) by sudo rm -rf on Tuesday April 07 2015, @09:08AM

          by sudo rm -rf (2357) on Tuesday April 07 2015, @09:08AM (#167369) Journal

          Don't know how it works in the US, but isn't "exigent circumstance [wikipedia.org]" abused like in the rest of the world?

          • (Score: 2) by frojack on Wednesday April 08 2015, @02:10AM

            by frojack (1554) on Wednesday April 08 2015, @02:10AM (#167684) Journal

            A judge isn't involved in exigent circumstance cases in the US.

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        • (Score: 5, Informative) by VortexCortex on Tuesday April 07 2015, @10:44AM

          by VortexCortex (4067) on Tuesday April 07 2015, @10:44AM (#167385)

          Oh yeah, well, I've "repaired" some government PCs and seen the blank warrants ready for cops to print out as many as they want, pre-signed, some even with boilerplate arrest language like, "When I approached the vehicle I smelled the presence of alcohol", just to be sure the cop doesn't forget to invent a probable cause. Also seen a fair share of school district miss appropriation of funds, etc. It's all in my insurance file.

          Seeing things like that gets the FBI and DHS breathing down your neck, harassing you; It does not get Judges, Officials, Officers, District Attorneys or School Boards fired. The media doesn't even want to know about the corruption unless it's OK'd by the state first (for use as political propaganda).

          I don't know what country you think you live in, but the USA is fucked.

          • (Score: 2) by frojack on Wednesday April 08 2015, @02:15AM

            by frojack (1554) on Wednesday April 08 2015, @02:15AM (#167687) Journal

            Wait, you are equating a document template with a blank warrant pre-signed by a judge? Are you daft?

            You can download blank search warrants from the web. Getting a Judge to sign it while its still blank is a totally different thing.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 18 2015, @07:34AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 18 2015, @07:34AM (#172326)

              "pre-signed"

    • (Score: 2, Funny) by anubi on Tuesday April 07 2015, @04:15AM

      by anubi (2828) on Tuesday April 07 2015, @04:15AM (#167312) Journal

      I dream of a place where a spy agency would knock at the door of a business with a warrant signed by a judge, and request the cooperation of the good citizens who work there in apprehending the specific named alleged criminal for the greater good of society.

      What I fear is the day this will be done via telepresence robot.

      The smiling face of an empowered elite will be on the screen, pleasantly stating its demands. Failure to comply will result in the robotic combat unit parked outside coming online. The transmission likely originating from somewhere like Singapore/Malaysia/Kuala Lumpur which is heavily internet-connected as well as safely away from the infuriated people which just might overpower their robot and jam the enforcement devices they are using to impose their will on others from afar.

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      • (Score: 2) by captain normal on Tuesday April 07 2015, @06:34AM

        by captain normal (2205) on Tuesday April 07 2015, @06:34AM (#167337)

        You do realize that there are vast regions on this planet where there is no access to internet connections and even hi-resolution satellite cannot track one individual.

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      • (Score: 1) by Ox0000 on Tuesday April 07 2015, @01:37PM

        by Ox0000 (5111) on Tuesday April 07 2015, @01:37PM (#167429)

        How hard would it be to build an EMP device powerful enough to disable these warrior bots?

        • (Score: 1) by anubi on Wednesday April 08 2015, @12:48AM

          by anubi (2828) on Wednesday April 08 2015, @12:48AM (#167660) Journal

          How hard would it be to destroy a bot? Damned easy. Probably simply punching it with your hand would probably disable *it*.

          But, in doing so, you have just given the powers that can your life miserable a reason to do just that.

          Debt charges for damaging a corporate telepresence robot simply accrue to your account.

          I have seen those telepresence robots and I find them extremely degrading to have to deal with someone via one of them. It simply looks to me like yet another way the elite can reinforce the claim that they are superior to me and I have to obey them. As far as I have seen, one's ability to coerce others to do his will is considered the most useful skill of business and goes by the name "leadership skill". It was my experience that in the corporate world, "leadership" skills were a helluva lot more valuable than engineering skills. One can always hire more engineers if the ones you have do not take kindly to a manager's "leadership style".

          I can right now see telepresence robots used for delivering layoff notices to people, as it would provide video and audio proof that papers have been served. I can see these telepresence bots doing all sorts of "notification services" such as rent and debt collection, evictions, and other services for the elite where it would be very risky to send a human.

          Look at the federal funds interest rate charts. They are all over the net. It looks pretty scary to me that if the bankers pull another fast one like they did a few years ago, there is no longer a cushion to "drop rates" in order to re-liquidate the market. Landlords up the their gills in debt will have to collect from people who have nothing to give, then evict them so as to give a clear message to the other tenants not to skip rent. Throwing a unfortunate family out on the street may not sit well with a lot of people, and physical retaliation may ensue, just as physical retaliation is sure to ensue if resistance is offered to an enforcement officer.

          There are a large number of elite who do not work. All they do is keep ledgers of who owes them what, collecting usury on that which they can coin out of thin air - such as debt instruments. This elite will do whatever is necessary to work with lawmakers so their claims to that which they did not lift a finger to earn will be respected by law coined in behalf of the elite.

          We are falling for it, and selling ourselves into slavery... except we have another word for it. it's called "debt".
           

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 07 2015, @10:23AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 07 2015, @10:23AM (#167380)

      In my country the police should be feared more than the terrorists (they kill and "kidnap" more). And many of the seeds of terrorism were sown by the religious teachers and organizations that the Gov has approved.

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Fluffeh on Monday April 06 2015, @11:25PM

    by Fluffeh (954) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 06 2015, @11:25PM (#167241) Journal

    In case you were wondering what the "unusual approach" was:

    Speaking to Sky News, Australia's Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull said that there were "always ways for people to get around things." As The Guardian reported, Turnbull went on to list a few ways to dodge the new law: "If... I communicate with you via Skype, for a voice call, or Viber, or I send you a message on Whatsapp or Wickr or Threema or Signal or Telegram—there's a gazillion of them—or indeed if we have a Facetime call, then all that the telco can see insofar as it can see anything is that my device has had a connection with, say, the Skype server or the Whatsapp server… it doesn’t see anything happen with you."

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by frojack on Monday April 06 2015, @11:53PM

      by frojack (1554) on Monday April 06 2015, @11:53PM (#167253) Journal

      So the man lies publicly as well? Who woulda thunk it!?

      He only names what he already has penetrated.

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    • (Score: 2) by AnonTechie on Tuesday April 07 2015, @09:50AM

      by AnonTechie (2275) on Tuesday April 07 2015, @09:50AM (#167373) Journal

      How long will it take the other "5 Eyes" countries to come with similar legislation and ban warrant canaries ? It seems to be canaries all the way down ...

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by gman003 on Monday April 06 2015, @11:36PM

    by gman003 (4155) on Monday April 06 2015, @11:36PM (#167246)

    "As of April 6th, 2015, we have received no warrants for user information, or orders to insert a backdoor or other data-gathering system.

    As of April 6th, 2015, we have received no warrants for information subject to a gag order.

    As of April 6th, 2015, we have received no court orders to lie to you about receiving warrants subject to a gag order.

    As of April 6th, 2015, we have received no court orders to deny lying to you about warrants subject to a gag order.

    As of April 6th, 2015, we have received no court orders to remove all references to court orders and warrants."

    Eventually they'll either realize that they're being evil and stop, or get pissed off at people foiling their sinister plots and throw you in jail (which itself serves as a sort of warrant canary).

    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday April 07 2015, @12:01AM

      by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Tuesday April 07 2015, @12:01AM (#167256) Homepage
      +1 +1 +1
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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by sjwt on Tuesday April 07 2015, @09:12AM

      by sjwt (2826) on Tuesday April 07 2015, @09:12AM (#167370)

      Not sure if you read, but thats the point, posts like that are now illegal, each with a 2 year jail sentence.

      • (Score: 1) by rea1l1 on Wednesday April 08 2015, @01:08AM

        by rea1l1 (5192) on Wednesday April 08 2015, @01:08AM (#167663)

        "As of April 6th, 2015, we cannot confirm if we have or have not received warrants for user information, or orders to insert a backdoor or other data-gathering system.

        As of April 6th, 2015, we cannot confirm if we have or have not received warrants for information subject to a gag order.

        As of April 6th, 2015, we cannot confirm if we have or have not received court orders to lie to you about receiving warrants subject to a gag order.

        As of April 6th, 2015, we cannot confirm if we have or have not received court orders to deny lying to you about warrants subject to a gag order.

        As of April 6th, 2015, we cannot confirm if we have or have not received court orders to remove all references to court orders and warrants."

        FTFY

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 08 2015, @01:45AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 08 2015, @01:45AM (#167674)

        Are the Australians familiar with "Jury Nullification"? I assume the government won't risk a show trial in a Kangaroo Court.

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Leebert on Monday April 06 2015, @11:57PM

    by Leebert (3511) on Monday April 06 2015, @11:57PM (#167254)

    So, having all the way down through the SN summary that was copy/pasted from a Boing Boing article that was copy/pasted from the origial Ars Technica article, I was still not able to fully understand this.

    Is the act of publishing the canary illegal, or is it the failure to continue publishing the canary after you have been served with a gag order?

    I'm just trying to figure out what combination of the following apply:

    • The .au government is infringing on free speech
    • The .au government is enslaving its population through compelled action
    • The .au government is attacking religion or other moral standards which prohibit lying
    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by bob_super on Tuesday April 07 2015, @12:19AM

      by bob_super (1357) on Tuesday April 07 2015, @12:19AM (#167261)

      That was going to be my next point: host your service in a US Red state, and claim that your religion forbids you from acting deceptively, therefore allowing you to ignore the gag orders.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by kaszz on Tuesday April 07 2015, @12:28AM

        by kaszz (4211) on Tuesday April 07 2015, @12:28AM (#167266) Journal

        The gag order probably applies to the person. And if they are in Australia then the law applies and its teeth.

        • (Score: 1) by Ox0000 on Tuesday April 07 2015, @02:01PM

          by Ox0000 (5111) on Tuesday April 07 2015, @02:01PM (#167441)

          But it's not the person publishing/removing the canary, it's the company... oh wait... those are people too...
          Well, I guess they'll just have to throw the company in prison.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 11 2015, @05:33AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 11 2015, @05:33AM (#168902)

            So what you are saying is that in future all Australian based canary systems should be handled by an entity which cannot be thrown in prison

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 07 2015, @05:03AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 07 2015, @05:03AM (#167324)

      "The .au government is infringing on free speech"

      If everyone started posting that they haven't received any warrants from the government then the government would have to go after everyone and maybe put everyone in jail or fine them. Good luck with that.

      "The .au government is attacking religion or other moral standards which prohibit lying"

      Forcing people to lie is a PR nightmare for any government.

    • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday April 07 2015, @06:59AM

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday April 07 2015, @06:59AM (#167345) Journal

      It does seem like it will be an offence to do something, but also an offence not to do something too.

      For example, if I discover that upon receipt of a government order that my site is no longer commercially viable, do I have to continue to maintain that site (ad infinitum?) in order not to give anyone the idea that I might have received the said order? I hope the government are going to pay for the cost of running the site in such a case, because it will no longer be paying for itself. Is the intent to drive site owners of those sites that 'offend' the government into bankruptcy?

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      • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 07 2015, @08:40AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 07 2015, @08:40AM (#167361)

        I would answer you, but I can be fired for doing so.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 07 2015, @02:31PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 07 2015, @02:31PM (#167455)

    There's only one solution: Make sure that when you get a gag order, you do not possess any useful information that you might hand over, or the ability to gain that information in any way. Then you don't need a warrant canary, since a gag order doesn't do any harm.

    This especially means: Do not produce/ask for any information that you do not absolutely need. If your users store data on your site, make sure their data is encrypted, that only they possess the encryption key, and don't provide them with proprietary software to access their data; make all your access software FOSS, and use only open standards for encryption/communication, ideally standards where several independent implementations exist. Make the service you provide as little as possible reliant on your servers. Provide open source software for your servers, so that anyone can set up a replacement server should the need arise (or appear to arise). Make it easy for users to get their data out of your system, and to delete their data from your system.

    • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Tuesday April 07 2015, @06:37PM

      by Reziac (2489) on Tuesday April 07 2015, @06:37PM (#167530) Homepage

      What about storing any necessary data on a 3rd party site in some other country?

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