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posted by CoolHand on Thursday May 07 2015, @09:12AM   Printer-friendly
from the new-platform-trolling dept.

Ethanol-fueled and darkfeline wrote in with an Ars Technica article on a demonstration of how promoted tweets can be easily abused:

Promoted tweets have been part of the Twitter service since 2010, and they've allowed advertisers to pick and choose who sees specific ads based on "what a user chooses to follow, how they interact with a Tweet, what they retweet, and more." But users have found how loosely those ads are monitored or filtered before they reach users' eyeballs—and how cheap, fast, and easy the system can be exploited to annoy users as opposed to "engaging" them.

"I decided to spend a few pennies on Twitter ads today," [Weev's] post started, and he asserted that the platform's pricing structures "don't seem to take into account that one might want only to generate negative reactions to ad campaigns." Though Auernheimer didn't say exactly which users/groups he chose to target in his trolling campaign, he listed examples that appeared to jive with the sample of angry responses that followed: people who are active in Democratic political campaigns or animal rights groups; women who shop for fine jewelry; followers of known feminist sites like Jezebel and Feministing.

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  • (Score: -1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @09:47AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @09:47AM (#179827)

    Should sexist opensource developers have their projects censored or removed?

    Recently an opensource game release story was removed due to the game developer's open sexism(0) and harrasment(1) of women in tech.

    A story posted by the editor of the popular Phoronix linux news site about a release of an Open Source videogame was later manually removed(2). The reason cited was the game developer's unacceptable views on social issues such as gender equality (3).

    The release story was titled "Xonotic-Forked ChaosEsqueAnthology Sees New Release - Phoronix" and can be accessed via the google cache(4).

    With the recent inclusion of a code of conduct(5) for those wishing to contribute to the Linux Kernel some questions now need to be asked and answered about the inclusion of code from people who are known to engage in or promote socially unacceptable attitudes or harrasments of those whom the free-software movement would prefer to attract in their place:

    * Are the social or political views of an author of free software relevant to that software's inherent quality?
    * Should the beliefs of an opensource developer weigh when when evaluating whether a piece of opensource software is worthy of any publicity or public notice?
    * Should men with unpopular or "forbidden" views be excised from the opensource movement and "not allowed" to contribute, in a manner similar to that which is done in employment?
    * Has the free/opensource software movement changed in these respects since its founding? If so is this a positive change?
    * Should there be gatekeepers to opensource that decide who may and who may not contribute. Should abusive developers be "blackballed" to maintain proper social order and controls?

    and

    * What are the consequences of not doing this

    Citations:
    (0) Past related incident: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1310 [ibiblio.org]
    (1) http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Debian_and_LinuxChix_harassment_by_MikeeUSA [wikia.com]
    (2) Removed story URL: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ChaosEsqueAnthology-Rel-51 [phoronix.com]
    (3) http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?115776-Xonotic-Forked-ChaosEsqueAnthology-Sees-New-Release/page2 [phoronix.com]
    "Fortunately, the article has been removed now."
    "Thanks everybody for speaking up."
    (4) https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JeCIgSFrBlgJ:http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page%3Dnews_item%26px%3DChaosEsqueAnthology-Rel-51%2Bchaosesque&gbv=1&tbs=qdr:w&hl=en&&ct=clnk [googleusercontent.com]
    (5) Linux "Code of Conflict"
    http://whatwillweuse.com/fodder/terrorware/ [whatwillweuse.com]

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by kaszz on Thursday May 07 2015, @09:58AM

      by kaszz (4211) on Thursday May 07 2015, @09:58AM (#179831) Journal

      It will be the same way as software done by corporate cubicles vs FOSS software. But with a new twist. Software done by approved people vs people that are just good at what they are doing.

      And who gets to decide who will be "ok" ..? It smells gatekeeping, privileges, irrelevant agenda etc. All feel good but bad results in reality.

      Being polite to other group members in projects you work on is one thing. Policing their personal life something completely different.

      • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @10:02AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @10:02AM (#179833)

        They've already gotten free software deleted from it's host because the author was a sexist: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1310 [ibiblio.org]
        http://whatwillweuse.com/fodder/terrorware/ [whatwillweuse.com]

        They passed that milestone years ago even.

      • (Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @01:15PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @01:15PM (#179880)

        dont feed the fucking troll......

      • (Score: 2) by Jeremiah Cornelius on Thursday May 07 2015, @02:38PM

        by Jeremiah Cornelius (2785) on Thursday May 07 2015, @02:38PM (#179925) Journal

        What about ReiserFS?

        --
        You're betting on the pantomime horse...
        • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Thursday May 07 2015, @02:45PM

          by kaszz (4211) on Thursday May 07 2015, @02:45PM (#179928) Journal

          Not being polite is one thing. Murder is another..
           

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 08 2015, @03:59AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 08 2015, @03:59AM (#180183)

          A filesystem by a man who did the correct thing.
          Deuteronomy supports his actions. He followed the law of God.

    • (Score: 2, Disagree) by bradley13 on Thursday May 07 2015, @10:41AM

      by bradley13 (3053) on Thursday May 07 2015, @10:41AM (#179840) Homepage Journal

      Your comment has been moderated "off-topic", which is fair enough. But you raise valid questions, and I think your comment could be turned into an interesting submission.

      --
      Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @10:50AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @10:50AM (#179842)
      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by moondrake on Thursday May 07 2015, @11:40AM

        by moondrake (2658) on Thursday May 07 2015, @11:40AM (#179849)

        eh...you are not seriously proposing giving our biggest troll more air time?

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @04:45PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @04:45PM (#179977)

          Oh please, this guy is just a lame broken record. The only big thing here is his head.

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @08:34PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @08:34PM (#180063)

          Why not?

          Are you afraid of his words?

          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @08:51PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @08:51PM (#180066)

            > Are you afraid of his words?

            Yes, the righteous power of his words have me cowering in fear!!!!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 08 2015, @03:55AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 08 2015, @03:55AM (#180182)

        The submission is nolonger in the queue

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by kurenai.tsubasa on Thursday May 07 2015, @01:23PM

      by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Thursday May 07 2015, @01:23PM (#179884) Journal

      Go the fuck away, MikeeUSA.

  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @09:49AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @09:49AM (#179828)

    >this is FOSS, not fucking tumblr. When the fuck did this happen
    Lol, if you're a mysoginist your code is shit, your projects are shit,
    your media is shit, your contributions are shit,
    everything you do is shit and it will be deleted from its host:
    http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1310 [ibiblio.org]
    http://whatwillweuse.com/fodder/terrorware/ [whatwillweuse.com]

    any mention of your projects censored / removed:
    http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?115776-Xonotic-Forked-ChaosEsqueAnthology-Sees-New-Release/page2 [phoronix.com]
    "Fortunately, the article has been removed now."
    "Thanks everybody for speaking up."
    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JeCIgSFrBlgJ:http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page%3Dnews_item%26px%3DChaosEsqueAnthology-Rel-51%2Bchaosesque&gbv=1&tbs=qdr:w&hl=en&&ct=clnk [googleusercontent.com]
    Removed story URL: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ChaosEsqueAnthology-Rel-51 [phoronix.com]
    https://twitter.com/directhex/status/576766336547856385 [twitter.com]

    and certainly not packaged:
    https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=770314 [debian.org]
    http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/11/23/1443205 [soylentnews.org]
    https://pipedot.org/story/2014-11-21/opensource-game-rejected-from-debian-for-authors-social-beliefs [pipedot.org]

    No different than the "real" world in America, UK, Europe, Australia, etc.
    You are a male and are on the bottom, everything and anything you might
    want is banned. You don't even get to do things for free / opensource, freely.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Sir Finkus on Thursday May 07 2015, @09:56AM

      by Sir Finkus (192) on Thursday May 07 2015, @09:56AM (#179830) Journal

      [quote]No different than the "real" world in America, UK, Europe, Australia, etc.
      You are a male and are on the bottom, everything and anything you might
      want is banned. You don't even get to do things for free / opensource, freely.[/quote]

      While I agree that "political correctness" is largely bullshit, and people getting fired for things they say on their own time is a problem, aren't you being a just little bit hyperbolic here?

      On another note: a link to a similar story about abusing targeted advertisements on facebook.

      http://mysocialsherpa.com/the-ultimate-retaliation-pranking-my-roommate-with-targeted-facebook-ads/ [mysocialsherpa.com]

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by Sir Finkus on Thursday May 07 2015, @09:59AM

        by Sir Finkus (192) on Thursday May 07 2015, @09:59AM (#179832) Journal

        Damn, used [] instead of and now I look a fool. It's not the first time, and it won't be the last.

        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday May 07 2015, @11:10AM

          by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Thursday May 07 2015, @11:10AM (#179844) Homepage
          The markup you are looking for is ``"'' (as per text), or "``" and "''" (as per TeX).
          --
          Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
          • (Score: 2) by Magic Oddball on Friday May 08 2015, @10:27AM

            by Magic Oddball (3847) on Friday May 08 2015, @10:27AM (#180265) Journal

            To add to your post, since Slashcode's HTML interpreter ate it: the markup symbols surrounding tags are < (Less Than) and > (Greater Than).

            For writing out explanations:

            *Code* *Displays As*
            &amp;   &
            &lt;    <
            &gt;    >

            If the above is horribly mis-aligned, you probably have your browser set to display monospaced text using a proportional font. :-p

        • (Score: 2) by dyingtolive on Thursday May 07 2015, @01:55PM

          by dyingtolive (952) on Thursday May 07 2015, @01:55PM (#179903)

          Pfft, this ain't yo mamma's stale ass bbcode son. This is slashcode, bro.

          --
          Don't blame me, I voted for moose wang!
      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @10:05AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @10:05AM (#179834)

        No because they got it done:
        http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1310 [ibiblio.org]
        http://whatwillweuse.com/fodder/terrorware/ [whatwillweuse.com]

        If you're a sexist, your free software projects are deleted.

        You're kicked out of distributions (see Ted Walther and Debian)

        And cencored (see other links)

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @01:36PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @01:36PM (#179891)

          If you're a sexist and male, your free software projects are deleted.

          FTFY

  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @09:50AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @09:50AM (#179829)

    Allowed in the Bible:
    Deuteronomy 22 28-29, hebrew.

    (If you wish to argue about taphas, here's a refutation of your arguments:
    http://pastebin.com/mzFJyxea) [pastebin.com]

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by kurenai.tsubasa on Thursday May 07 2015, @01:58PM

    by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Thursday May 07 2015, @01:58PM (#179907) Journal

    Mod my other comment offtopic. This one may deserve a troll mod.

    This raises the question in my mind about why there is so much gender trolling.

    When I came over to the US to go to university, I was gobsmacked. Apparently, there is a rape culture. I was required to attend a presentation and sign a form to the effect that I was a rapist that merely hadn't been caught in the act yet before I would be allowed to attend classes. Their proof? I was assigned the male gender at birth.

    I mean, for crying out loud. The Chinese Amazons were vastly more accepting of my decision to visit the hotsprings in Qinghai, China and become “locked” in female form. (Granted, Chinese Amazon law does not recognize me as a “full” woman; Aristarchus may be able to advise about Greek Amazon law.) Yet I come over here, just wanting a good CS education, and all of a sudden I'm a rapist, a sexual harasser (granted I've done some questionable things in the past), I hate women, etc, all because I can't get my birth certificate updated to reflect my anatomy.

    I have to wonder if cisgendered women, after all their crying about being oppressed by long hair and stereotyping and *ur not a rael womyn!*, if this isn't just earned backlash. No, I don't approve of discrimination or sexual harassment. Yet, I am sick of being trolled myself. I went to an all boys school, and they were just fine with me presenting as female! These feminists? I don't know what to say, but I suppose I've said a bunch already.

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Thursday May 07 2015, @05:44PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday May 07 2015, @05:44PM (#179997) Journal

      I was required to attend a presentation and sign a form to the effect that I was a rapist that merely hadn't been caught in the act yet before I would be allowed to attend classes. Their proof? I was assigned the male gender at birth.
       
      University harassment policies are publicly published. If this is a factual recount, instead of a hyperbolic one, perhaps you could tell us the name of the University and show us the policy. I'm sure the rape-admittal form letter is easily accessed online as well.
       
      In other words: Citation Desperately Needed

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by kurenai.tsubasa on Thursday May 07 2015, @10:42PM

        by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Thursday May 07 2015, @10:42PM (#180091) Journal

        Grand Valley State University [wikipedia.org]. I realized I might be misremembering and it could have been a pre-requisite to move into the dorm. This is not documented anywhere, so I'm not sure how enforceable it is. (It probably isn't due to fair housing and other antidiscrimination laws—hell, Michigan struck down affirmitive action a few years ago at U of M iirc—, but there's still the hurdle of lawyering up.) I went along with it since it didn't seem like a big deal at the time and would have been more degrading to me anyway to prove why the gender on my record wasn't entirely accurate. Waste an hour or two being called a rapist, and then you're done. Now apparently that crap's infesting my profession and hobbies.

        However, it looks like the GVPD has created a program that might actually help [gvsu.edu]. I was never quite certain exactly how calling a room full of guys rapists who haven't been caught yet was helping women protect themselves from date rape, but hey.

        More universities are also implementing similar date rape awareness efforts [thinkprogress.org] although those at least have the virtue of not being overtly sexist. I imagine a cisgendered woman would be able to claim “triggers” and get out of it (or at least I should hope so…). I believe that “triggers” were why the presentation at Grand Valley was optional for women.

        It's interesting to follow the links on the thinkprogress.org article and marvel at the number of times that the lack of shock and outrage from the audience (as in the ones with live plays as though the audience is supposed to react like it's real and not a play) is used as evidence that even more intrusive awareness is needed. I'm guessing these things are like XML and violence: if it's not working, you're not using enough of it.

        Now imagine what kind of effect those presentations might have for men and trans women who were sexually assaulted as children or teenagers. (Maybe something similar is the origin story of M—gaaaaadontfeedthetrolls. It does fit the bill.)

        Overall, I think the number one thing feminism needs to do is take its own advice and get some sensitivity training. No, that's no excuse to justify shitposts and threats of violence from misogynist trolls. However, feminism could use a bit more self-awareness. There are certain neighborhoods I've been in where I can guarantee you that I would wind up either in the hospital or dead if I started calling people “niggers.” Do I have the right to offend? Do I have the right not to be assaulted over my words? Yes and yes, absolutely. It's not a perfect analogy. I guess what I'm saying is that if I annoy the piss out of someone, I shouldn't be surprised if I face some kind of retaliation.

        (Perhaps more to the point is that I'd never do that anyway just because I'm a decent person, not because I'm afraid of getting beat up. Feminists are peculiar in that they go around verbally assaulting and sexually harassing an entire demographic and yet the threat that they might get beat up legitimizes their reason for the verbal assaults and sexual harassment in the first place!)

        That's the kind of self-awareness feminism is missing. Maybe some kind of open apology letter or better yet I can see four: 1 for cisgendered men (sorry about blaming all the ills of the world on you), 1 for transgendered men (sorry for calling you a traitor to a gender you're not), 1 for homosexual men (sorry about accusing you of an act you have no interest in), and 1 for transgendered women (sorry for convincing the world that we were somehow rooting for you while being as transphobic as a Southern Baptist preacher). Oh, I'm forgetting. 1 more for cisgendered women who don't buy into feminist lunacy (sorry about accusing you of having a dick or having some kind of internalized misogyny and being too stupid to realize it).

        (Disclaimer: I say feminism, but I might mean SJW or female supremacist or some other term I've not encountered yet. I am thankful for the work feminism did right up until about the 70s so that I can have a career instead of being an OL, and there are plenty of people who do believe in gender equality who call themselves feminists. I guess it's a PR problem for feminism when I'm honestly not certain if these reasonable people are calling themselves feminists incorrectly.)

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 08 2015, @12:01AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 08 2015, @12:01AM (#180108)

          How are these programs not wholly discriminatory based on sex? It would be trivial to file a lawsuit for this.

          If they are teaching that program to women only, shouldn't there be a similar program for men to warn them and teach them self-defense techniques of female sexual predators that go out of their way to become pregnant or extract money and gifts from men? Yeah I know that makes for nearly the entire female population in the United States. That is the point.

          • (Score: 2, Interesting) by kurenai.tsubasa on Friday May 08 2015, @12:54AM

            by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Friday May 08 2015, @12:54AM (#180128) Journal

            Eh, that's a thing for sure, no argument here. One of my male friends received an invitation to be a “sperm donor” in that style, but fortunately he saw straight through to the true intentions of the woman making the request. It does make me wonder how many men she had made that offer to and if some poor sap ever accepted.

            I would worry more about male victims of domestic violence. According to these [ncadv.org] pages [safehorizon.org] the numbers are pretty close for men and women as far as being a victim of domestic violence, and according to MRAs, it's about 50/50. However, if a man attempts to defend himself against a violent cisgendered woman, especially if he ends up injuring her in even the smallest way (bruise), he will pretty much be held 100% responsible for the incident, get thrown behind bars, and find himself labeled a wife/girlfriend beater.

            (On the other hand, premediated cold-blooded murder of a trans woman is merely manslaughter [wikipedia.org]. The silence of the feminists was deafening, although to be fair, reading my own link, I guess there's been a movie and documentary produced about it, so I should probably do more research into the individuals behind those productions to see if my accusation holds weight.)

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 08 2015, @03:52PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 08 2015, @03:52PM (#180345)

              I agree with everything you have posted. Last I checked the overall "non-reciprocal domestic violence" was perpetrated 70% of the time by women, but it is not even wort finding a source for considering crimes are rarely recorded when it is a woman against a man, thus really muddying up the waters and hard to find anything resembling facts. Another even less fun one is that, in psychology anyway, the majority of people being treated for sexual abuse as children claim that their own mother was the perpetrator. This holds true for both sexes. Yet mothers being sexually predatory to their own children being charged is impressively rare, and often are let off as being the lesser of two evils, the greater being the child having to do without their mother. At least that hits the news every so often, but the stats on sexual abuse never make it out of the journals.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by LoRdTAW on Thursday May 07 2015, @02:07PM

    by LoRdTAW (3755) on Thursday May 07 2015, @02:07PM (#179915) Journal

    Who is weev? Obviously I did a search and found out he is basically an asshole. But why would everyone be immediatly familiar with him enough to warrant not slipping a quick explanation as to who he is? The ARS article didn't really explain who he is either.

    And secondly, why is the obvious being demonstrated here?

    Trolling is pretty damn easy:
    1) Post flamebait.
    2) Sit back enjoy the show.

    I don't see an article here unless he is demonstrating how easy it is to post mass infuriating nonsense on twitter. Put that is pretty much a given.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @02:51PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @02:51PM (#179932)

      > But why would everyone be immediatly familiar with him enough to warrant not slipping a quick explanation as to who he is?

      Mainly for this incident [wired.com] which has been widely reported on in these circles. He's like the opposite of the geek rosa parks - instead of being a model example of someone above reproach being unfairly persecuted, he's scum of the earth who was unfairly persecuted (and ultimately prevailed).

      > I don't see an article here unless he is demonstrating how easy it is to post mass infuriating nonsense on twitter. Put that is pretty much a given.

      The nominal point is that it is really cheap to purchase harassing tweets that bypass twitter's normal filtering mechanisms.

      However, that's just cover for him to indulge in picking on the disempowered. If he weren't a shitstain he would have demonstrated the problem by picking on the empowered - instead of sending white-power advertisements to non-whites, he would have sent black-power advertisements to rich white racists.

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by jmorris on Thursday May 07 2015, @03:14PM

        by jmorris (4844) on Thursday May 07 2015, @03:14PM (#179942)

        Um, you don't get out much. If he did as you recommend it wouldn't be trolling; it would be MSNBC's prime time programming. If you want to troll, be really transgressive, stir the poop, etc. you pretty much can't top the professional racists like Sharpton, Nation of Islam, etc. They are professsionals with decades of experience and the public has grown jaded to their increasingly frenzied antics. What, pray tell, could a mere mortal do to out troll them or the other professionals in the *studies departments at every university? No, these days if you are a troll wanting attention you have to flip the script and attack the new powerful... the victim class. Truly we live in Bizarro World.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @03:20PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @03:20PM (#179948)

          > Um, you don't get out much.

          I think the problem here is that you don't get out much.

          > Truly I live in Bizarro World.

          FTFY

        • (Score: 3, Touché) by LoRdTAW on Thursday May 07 2015, @05:58PM

          by LoRdTAW (3755) on Thursday May 07 2015, @05:58PM (#180001) Journal

          Um, you don't get out much. If he did as you recommend it wouldn't be trolling; it would be MSNBC's prime time programming.
          If he got out more, then how could he watch more MSNBC?

          • (Score: 2) by urza9814 on Friday May 08 2015, @03:05PM

            by urza9814 (3954) on Friday May 08 2015, @03:05PM (#180322) Journal

            If he got out more, then how could he watch more MSNBC?

            Presumably because he's not stupid enough to allow that crap into his home? ;)

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Grishnakh on Thursday May 07 2015, @03:50PM

        by Grishnakh (2831) on Thursday May 07 2015, @03:50PM (#179960)

        However, that's just cover for him to indulge in picking on the disempowered. If he weren't a shitstain he would have demonstrated the problem by picking on the empowered - instead of sending white-power advertisements to non-whites, he would have sent black-power advertisements to rich white racists.

        Or, he could have done both so that no one could accuse him of being personally in favor of either viewpoint, and only being an equal-opportunity troll looking to get a rise out of people.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @04:09PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2015, @04:09PM (#179968)

          > Or, he could have done both so that no one could accuse him of being personally in favor of either viewpoint, and only being an equal-opportunity troll

          The whole "I hate all people equally" thing is bogus misdirection. It's like saying - I don't discriminate by age, I punch babies but I also punch adults so its all good! No matter what else you do, it is cowardly to attack people who can't hurt you back.

      • (Score: 2) by Open4D on Friday May 08 2015, @08:38AM

        by Open4D (371) on Friday May 08 2015, @08:38AM (#180242) Journal

        However, that's just cover for him to indulge in picking on the disempowered.

        Well, the Guardian agrees with you [theguardian.com].

         
        It does seem that there are 2 main possibilities:
        * He uses racism and sexism merely as a vehicle for his trolling
        * He uses trolling as an excuse, to make his heartfelt racism and sexism somewhat more socially acceptable

        One thing's for sure, he'll be delighted to see all this coverage!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 08 2015, @11:44AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 08 2015, @11:44AM (#180279)

          Dude has got a 4 inch swastika tattoo.
          You don't make that kind of commitment for the lulz.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Marand on Thursday May 07 2015, @08:24PM

    by Marand (1081) on Thursday May 07 2015, @08:24PM (#180058) Journal

    [I know this is sort of off-topic, but I don't even care.]

    The whole "people of colour" thing bugs me so much. Once upon a time, when people said those same words in reverse order ("coloured people") it was a bad thing and indication of racism, but now it's an acceptable label that essentially means "does not look white". It's a fine example of Newspeak doublethink: saying colorpeople is plusgood if the Party says it, but doubleplusungood for anybody else.

    It's also doublethink in that it trivialises the entire concept of different cultures and ethnicities while being treated as a positive banner under which all "minorities" can rally. Worse still, it's completely superficial; it doesn't matter where you're from or what your ancestry is, you're either a "person of colour" or you aren't, conveniently separated into a black-and-white system for convenient "us vs them" tribal warfare that is used to promote "us" and dismiss "them" regardless of their history or experiences.

    If you "read as white"* you're oppressive privileged scum regardless of your ethnicity, nationality, or the hardships you've experienced, and if you don't, you're a "person of colour" and that makes you an oppressed minority, even if you're in a location where your ethnic group is majority and you've had a comfortable life. It's ignorantly US-centric, reductive to the point of absurdity, and seems overtly racist to me because we're back to reducing people to a label based on appearance.

    When I was growing up, I was constantly amazed at how diverse humanity is, both in appearance and culture, and it pisses me off to see people reducing all that history and diversity to a two-party system based on skin tone.

    * basically a euphemism I've seen that, based on how people use it, seems to mean "does not look black of hispanic enough". Depending on speaker, may include asians if skin tone is acceptable.

    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday May 08 2015, @12:40AM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday May 08 2015, @12:40AM (#180120) Journal

      The whole "people of colour" thing bugs me so much.
       
      Ok, so what exactly would you to prefer to call the disparate group of minority races in the US that all have the same trait of visible skin color differentiation?
       
      That's a mouthful for everyday use...

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Marand on Friday May 08 2015, @03:22AM

        by Marand (1081) on Friday May 08 2015, @03:22AM (#180171) Journal

        Ok, so what exactly would you to prefer to call the disparate group of minority races in the US that all have the same trait of visible skin color differentiation?

        That's a mouthful for everyday use...

        In my experience, just calling them "people" usually works great. You should try it sometime.

        Beyond that, in most cases if you're referring to a specific ethnicity, there's no reason not to just name that ethnicity or nationality instead of using the hopelessly generic "person of colour" moniker. If you need to refer to minority races in the US as a single group for some reason, it makes sense to be specific and say just that -- US minorities or minority citizens or something similar (where the US part can be inferred from the topic). Using "people of colour" in that context is inaccurate and misleading because it's conflating appearance with minority status.

        I can't think of a single situation where one would be incapable of finding a better, but still relatively simple, alternative to the vaguely insulting "people of colour" label that's en vogue right now.

      • (Score: 3, Touché) by urza9814 on Friday May 08 2015, @03:22PM

        by urza9814 (3954) on Friday May 08 2015, @03:22PM (#180329) Journal

        Ok, so what exactly would you to prefer to call the disparate group of minority races in the US that all have the same trait of visible skin color differentiation?

        That's a mouthful for everyday use...

        No. They do not have the same trait of skin color. They have many different skin colors. The shared "trait" is simply not being "white". So if that's what you mean, why jump through hoops to find a different way of saying it? Use something like "Non-white persons." I've seen that used occasionally, and it's both more accurate and even a whole syllable shorter than "people of color."

  • (Score: 1) by TestablePredictions on Thursday May 07 2015, @08:32PM

    by TestablePredictions (3249) on Thursday May 07 2015, @08:32PM (#180062)

    From the article, this wasn't even particularly good trolling. I think a better trolling experiment would be to take known white-male supremacist text and perform male->female, white->(your choice) variable substitution and post+promote those tweets instead. After a little while, reveal the terrible secret of what you had done with credible citations/links and all. Now *that* would be trolling! Probably.