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posted by janrinok on Monday June 15 2015, @08:39PM   Printer-friendly [Skip to comment(s)]
from the he-said,-she-said dept.

Reuters reports that according to the Sunday Times Britain has pulled out agents from live operations in "hostile countries" after Russia and China cracked top-secret information contained in files leaked by former US. National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden. According to Rupert Murdoch's Sunday Times unnamed officials at the office of British Prime Minister David Cameron say China has also cracked the encrypted documents, which contain details of secret intelligence techniques and information that could allow British and American spies to be identified "Western intelligence agencies say they have been forced into the rescue operations after Moscow gained access to more than 1m classified files (paywalled) held by the former American security contractor, who fled to seek protection from Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, after mounting one of the largest leaks in US history."

However David Davis, the Conservative MP who is one of the leading campaigners for privacy, says: "We have to treat all of these things with a pinch of salt." Davis says the use of an anonymous source to create scare stories was a typical tactic and the timing was comfortable for the government. "You can see they have been made nervous by Anderson. We have not been given any facts, just assertions." Andrew Mitchell, a former cabinet minister, says he is sure the Sunday Times got the story because of the Anderson report and added "I think we have to be very careful of the argument 'listen sonny, we know what you don't know and therefore you should do what we say'. That is not a good argument; we need to have a proper debate about all of this. I don't approve of what Snowden did, but I have to say having been to Washington recently that there has been a massive change of view in the United States, not just people like Rand Paul and so on, there's a massive change of view about the debate and that has resulted from Snowden, whether you like it or not."

[Editor's Comment: There is media interest in the UK regarding this story. It originated from an unnamed source and is without any corroboration.]


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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 15 2015, @08:55PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 15 2015, @08:55PM (#196641)

    who fled to seek protection from Vladimir Putin

    I do not remember the story that way. Russia was not Snowden's planned final destination and he would have left if his passport had not been revoked.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bob_super on Monday June 15 2015, @09:38PM

      by bob_super (1357) on Monday June 15 2015, @09:38PM (#196656)

      > I do not remember the story that way.

      Well, there's your problem right there. Gotta get that memory problem fixed, have another fix of Kardashian-infused deflategate.

      Next thing you're gonna claim to remember that Saddam and his pal Osama misplaced their WMDs, that we armed and trained both of them against the villain-country-du-jour, or other silliness about our Freedom requiring that Vietnam be kept safe from evil Chinese commies...

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 15 2015, @09:43PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 15 2015, @09:43PM (#196658)

      Sorry. Fled to the protection of the Chinese government.

      Yes, that sounds much better. We should give Snowden a pass because them Chinese are just regular Joes.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 15 2015, @09:51PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 15 2015, @09:51PM (#196662)

        Hong Kong is a Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China. That's why people can hold pro-democracy protests there without being shot up.

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 16 2015, @12:10AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 16 2015, @12:10AM (#196679)

          Yes, China clearly has no influence there. I'm sure there were no representatives of the Chinese government present to meet him.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 15 2015, @09:13PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 15 2015, @09:13PM (#196645)

    Microsoft blackmailing UK Members of Parliament story is retracted and modified for "not having checked the sources sufficiently." Something tells me this giant piece of government propaganda will get no such treatment.

    Why would you even repeat this garbage? You didn't even link to any rebuttals of this garbage, what gives?

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by takyon on Monday June 15 2015, @09:20PM

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday June 15 2015, @09:20PM (#196648) Journal

      The material in this rebuttal submission [soylentnews.org] (submitted minutes before this story ran) didn't exist when Hugh posted his submission, except for The Intercept article.

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      • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Tuesday June 16 2015, @03:09PM

        by kaszz (4211) on Tuesday June 16 2015, @03:09PM (#196883) Journal

        Too lazy to click new link cheat:

        AnonTechie [soylentnews.org] writes:

        Techdirt has already written about the massive problems with the Sunday Times' [techdirt.com] big report claiming that the Russians and Chinese had "cracked" the encryption on the Snowden files (or possibly just been handed those files by Snowden) and that he had "blood on his hands" even though no one has come to any harm. It also argued that David Miranda was detained after he got documents from Snowden in Moscow, despite the fact that he was neither in Moscow, nor had met Snowden (a claim the article quietly deleted). That same report also claimed that UK intelligence agency MI6 had to remove "agents" from Moscow because of this leak, despite the fact that they're not called "agents" and there's no evidence of any actual risk. So far, the only official response from News Corp. the publisher of The Sunday Times (through a variety of subsidiaries) was to try to censor the criticism of the story with a DMCA takedown request.

        Either way, one of the journalists who wrote the story, Tom Harper, gave an interview to CNN which is quite incredible to watch. Harper just keeps repeating that he doesn't know what's actually true, and that he was just saying what the government told him -- more or less admitting that his role here was not as a reporter, but as a propagandist or a stenographer.

        Reporter who wrote sunday times 'Snowden' propaganda admits that he's just writing what UK gov't told him [techdirt.com]

        [Video]: Reports: Russia, China have files leaked by Snowden [cnn.com]

        [Also Covered By]: The Intercept, The Sunday Times’ Snowden Story is Journalism at its Worst — and Filled with Falsehoods [firstlook.org]

        • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Tuesday June 16 2015, @03:12PM

          by kaszz (4211) on Tuesday June 16 2015, @03:12PM (#196884) Journal

          Bonus link with the key snippet: https://vine.co/v/eedM73dwDzj [vine.co]

          Seems the link doesn't work right now. Perhaps someone got C&D, DMCA, black men visit? ;-)

          Oops, Will Smith has no involvement in this! ;-) ..

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 15 2015, @09:21PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 15 2015, @09:21PM (#196649)

      I don't recall the Sunday Times running that story . . .

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 15 2015, @10:27PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 15 2015, @10:27PM (#196669)

      Putting "Alledgedly" proudly in the heading is sadder.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Yog-Yogguth on Tuesday June 16 2015, @12:46AM

      by Yog-Yogguth (1862) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 16 2015, @12:46AM (#196685) Journal

      No it's great, the actual news is that all the governments in all the nations involved and in particular the USA, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Denmark, France, the Netherlands, Norway, Germany, Belgium, Italy, Spain, Sweden, Singapore, Japan, and South Korea and their agencies are yet again loudly insisting on proclaiming themselves to be total liars and completely untrustworthy. I hope they continue to do this kind of propaganda on a regular basis (as they have so far) so that even more people can realize that those countries and as many as over 60 other cooperating countries (include the rest of Europe, all of the Middle East, and Africa) have been committing crimes against humanity [wikipedia.org] on a continual basis for over a decade.

      That's not hyperbole, if the global surveillance and manipulation system which is in direct breach of fundamental human rights as defined by the UN isn't a crime against humanity then nothing is.
       

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      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday June 16 2015, @04:25AM

        by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 16 2015, @04:25AM (#196735) Journal

        I hope they continue to do this kind of propaganda on a regular basis

        My favorite by far so far is the creepy PR piece Keith Alexander, then head of the NSA, did after the Snowden files broke. It really told you in your gut all you needed to know about the story and who the lying sacks of shit are. The piece was so creepy, and its execution so ham-fisted and stupid, that throughout the same phrase ran on a loop in my head: "Don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining."

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  • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Tuesday June 16 2015, @03:14PM

    by kaszz (4211) on Tuesday June 16 2015, @03:14PM (#196885) Journal

    What news outlets did only publish the rebuttal?