If you're like me and couldn't be arsed to make it up to Seattle this year but still dig you some gaming in general and PAX in particular, gamespot has a couple articles up covering the best cosplay and game related crap to buy there this year. As usual, there were way too many Deadpools.
Mind you, if you're looking for aggressive navels, you won't find them at PAX this year as they were banned. This didn't sit well with some on Twitter, thus the hashtag #PAXNavelPolicy was spawned by the wacky folks of #GamerGate for all your navel needs. Sic Semper Umbilicus.
This discussion has been archived.
No new comments can be posted.
The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 31 2015, @10:02PM
Games became too commercial 20 years ago.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 31 2015, @10:08PM
Are we just posting whatever Buzzard submits now?
I hate political correctness and otherkin tumblrista as much as the next dude but this guy is a little unhinged in both his hatred for, and broad categorization of society's ills as SJWs. SJWs are a specific class of keyboard activist, nothing more. They aren't your Orwellian overlords, just the media's current social trend du jour at the moment.
(Score: 2, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 31 2015, @10:24PM
Wait, where did I bring up SJWs in that article? Oh, right, I didn't.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 31 2015, @10:40PM
Can you explain what #GamerGate is about, for those who haven't heard of it?
(Score: 3, Disagree) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 31 2015, @10:57PM
Exposing corruption and conflicts of interest in gaming and the journalism thereof.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 31 2015, @11:14PM
Disagree all you like, it won't change GG's repeatedly stated reason for existing. You don't get to define it to fit your narrative, sorry.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2015, @12:47AM
it won't change GG's repeatedly stated reason for existing.
In the long forgotten words of Def Leppard - Action, not words.
A puny campaign to scare away advertisers that backfired barely even counts as action.
But all that protesting about not being haters, those words are soooo believable.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 01 2015, @01:09AM
I know it conflicts with your narrative but when the Kokatu CEO says GG cost them over seven figures, I'm inclined to believe him. Ditto the harassment. The aGG crowd (Randi Harper and Anita Sarkeesian in particular) doxx, try to get fired, and generally harass anyone who disagrees with them that they can find info on; when was the last time you saw a doxx come out of GG? Or harassment (not simply disagreeing with someone, that is not harassment)? Go ahead, look, I'll wait. Yeah, that's what I thought.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Informative) by gman003 on Monday August 31 2015, @11:23PM
If that's all Gamergate is about, then what relevance does it have to convention rules regarding dress code for exhibitors?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 31 2015, @11:28PM
GGers started the hashtag. That's the only relevance. Why? Aggressive navels. It's absurd and begs to be mocked.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Funny) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday September 01 2015, @03:10AM
If that's all Gamergate is about, then what relevance does it have to convention rules regarding dress code for exhibitors?
I'd ask for an explanation, but I'm ethically opposed to the torture of logic.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by skullz on Monday August 31 2015, @10:36PM
Which stories did you submit? Asking for a friend.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 31 2015, @11:24PM
You have a point. I'll try my hand at submissions.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2015, @11:57AM
SJWs run the Education Department, the Commerce Department, Microsoft, Google, Twitter, Wikipedia, Reddit, Hacker News, the EFF, CBS, NBC, ABC, AP, Reuters, BBC, CBC, both ABCs, New York Times, Washington Post, and the Democratic National Committee. Disagreeing with them -- no, scratch that -- saying that it is possible for people to disagree with them will cause you to be publicly slandered, expelled from university, banned from employment in the tech sector, and banned from most open source development networks. They already are our Orwellian overlords. If you don't see it yet, you have been fortunate enough not to have personally encountered them.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by gawdonblue on Monday August 31 2015, @10:11PM
That link just has some fluff about making everyone feel comfortable and welcome. I'm not exactly sure what
aggressive navels
are, but what I feel is disappointed.
(Score: 2) by skullz on Monday August 31 2015, @10:38PM
The hashtag protest pictures have you covered. Trust in comic/game/nerds on the internet.
(Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Tuesday September 01 2015, @06:29PM
I believe they are related to World of Warships.
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 31 2015, @10:25PM
"This naked aggression will not stand, man!"
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 31 2015, @10:47PM
PaX cunts should be shot for their sexual harrasment policy.
"We'll try to jail you if we can, male"
If anyone gets caught up in this I pray they take revenge.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by gman003 on Monday August 31 2015, @11:11PM
We have reached a new low. Commenters not reading the fucking article is expected. Editors not reading the fucking article is a sad inevitability. But we seem to have now reached the point where the submitter did not read the article.
The rules about navels are part of the "no booth babes" section. I will quote it below verbatim, because I seem to be the only one capable of reading TFA anymore.
Only the last clause applies to attendees at all, and the [gamespot.com] summary's [gamespot.com] own [gamespot.com] links [gamespot.com] show a number of attendees that would violate the stricter exhibitor rules. I was unable to find rules for the earliest PAXen, but to my recollection there was a "no booth babes" policy from day one, in an attempt to make it less commercial than E3. I was able to find that the rule in question existed in 2013 [archive.org] in its current form, so this is about as big a controversy as their "no real-looking gun props" rule.
And I still don't get what any of that has to do with GamerGate. Or why we even need to talk about GamerGate, since both sides have repeatedly proven themselves to be nothing but whiny children.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 31 2015, @11:17PM
So what you are saying is that PAX organisers are not SWJ but old school puritans ?
(Score: 2) by gman003 on Monday August 31 2015, @11:30PM
It would be rather hard for them to be SJWs, considering they were Team Dickwolves in the Dickwolves controversy (or is it called DickwolfGate now?).
I think it more likely that they're gamers, running a convention about games. Surprisingly enough, bare midriffs have nothing to do with games, either video, tabletop, LARP or card.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 31 2015, @11:47PM
No, just old school puritans.then. Speaking of games I played quite a lot of them with characters with bare midriffs, being scared of them is nothing else than puritanism trying to hide under modern day PC. People complaining about right-wingers, was not the fear of nudity the epitome of right-wing ? Or maybe the so-called liberals are nothing more now than "petite bourgeoisie", as always small minded and so ugly to hate the human body ?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 31 2015, @11:26PM
Because GGers were the ones who set up the mentioned protest hashtag. No more, no less. As for why it was set up? Because "aggressive navels" is an absurd concept and fun to play with. Whiny? You're the one taking a joke seriously enough that it's gotten you all worked up. Have a beer and relax.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Touché) by gman003 on Monday August 31 2015, @11:38PM
I notice you failed to address all the other arguments I had against you. If you've somehow forgotten, I refer to "these rules have been around for a while", "these rules apply to exhibitors, not attendees", and "your own articles provide direct evidence against your position". I am forced to conclude you have no answer to them, and are attempting (rather blatantly) to distract everyone from how you have no answer.
I will end by asking one further question: what, exactly, is your criticism of this rule? Your hashtag link is extremely lacking in explanation; AFAICT it's basically just a tag for cheesecake and softcore porn.
(Score: 0, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 31 2015, @11:44PM
What part of "joke" escapes you, man? Jokes do not need to be factually correct, just amusing. The wording change to exclude aggressive navels was funny, it got mocked, by GG, which is the only reason GG got mentioned, end of story.
Now you've got it!
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Informative) by gman003 on Monday August 31 2015, @11:59PM
So should all stories now have a random link to a porn site at the end, tying it to a fringe political group? Excellent. I've a nice video on C64 graphics to share with you all, brought to you by Slipshine and the Oath Keepers.
Alternatively - and I know this is a shocking idea, but bear with me for a moment - we could try not doing that. That sounds like an excellent idea, in fact. A simple extension of the "articles should be about one thing" axiom - don't cram links to joke hashtags and half-crazy culture movements into articles about, well, anything else.
I would have had zero problem with your summary if you'd only kept the first two sentences. Maybe only the first, actually - you seem to find a lot to be negative about, for some reason. Chaining the article to a stupid joke made by some very stupid people served no purpose other than to fan the flamewars, which I will pragmatically assume was not your intended purpose.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 01 2015, @12:10AM
You read a lot of anger into my tone that just isn't there, guy. As for lame jokes, their purpose is to give people either a groan or a chuckle and then let them move on. Why you feel the need to get worked up about it because of its origin is on you.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Tuesday September 01 2015, @12:29AM
Bringing up GamerGate amuses anyone?
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 01 2015, @12:38AM
Look, if the source of a joke taints the content of a joke for you, that's your issue and you should talk to a professional about it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by mhajicek on Tuesday September 01 2015, @04:51AM
I'm drinking a nitro milk stout from left hand brewing company. It is the awesome.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday September 01 2015, @12:58PM
A friend of mine is a professional actor, clown, mask maker, playwright, and general performer. He likes whiskey, so occasionally we hang out and drink from his latest acquisition, talk politics, etc. Most of his other friends are performers of one kind or another and they often join us.
Last time his friend Juliet (yes, that's her name) was there. Beautiful blonde. I prefer brunettes but I have to give her her due. She danced burlesque, picked up bit parts, blogged, and various other things. But her favorite and best gig was being a booth babe, especially at the Javitz Center because with a little wink and jiggle she could get the guys to give her big tips. She waxed incensed at the feminist crusaders who wanted to ban booth babes because it was a big part of her livelihood. "It's the best gig you can get," she said.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by spamdog on Monday August 31 2015, @11:38PM
I started here as an alternative to Slashdot - not as an alternative to 8chan.
I'm quite happy to read right-wing views. I'm not interested in right-wing culture warring.
(Score: 2) by Tramii on Monday August 31 2015, @11:42PM
I'm sorry that you read something on the internet that upset you.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 31 2015, @11:48PM
Let it be known that I take no exception to the statement made in Parent's comment title.
I do take exception to right-wing though. If you think libertarians are right-wing, you're so far to the left that you're about to fall off the scale.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by spamdog on Monday August 31 2015, @11:55PM
I'm not interested in your bullshitty vanity labels. All your submissions are drenched in ideology and it's tiresome. We've all been early-20's ideologues but most people grow out of it.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 01 2015, @12:06AM
How much ideology do you find in mocking aggressive navels, precisely?
Face it, what you really object to is any mention of GG, because they're slowly but surely winning the fight a bunch of social justice types decided to pick. I get that you're probably chapped today because one of the most prominent anti-GGers out there just got outed today as a pedophile [youtube.com] but that's not my problem.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by spamdog on Tuesday September 01 2015, @12:09AM
It's a bunch of idiotic triumphalism for people with nothing else to be proud of.
This, moments after characterizing yourself as a libertarian. Gamergate is not libertarian. Gamergate is conservative culture warring. I searched for this "aggressive navels" and the sites that come up are KotakuInAction, on reddit and voat.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 01 2015, @12:14AM
See, you're blinded by how far left you are. If you could take a step back for a moment, you'd see it's not just the right you're fighting in your PC cultural invasion. You're fighting right, center, and even part of the left. Which is why you will lose.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by spamdog on Tuesday September 01 2015, @12:17AM
I come here to read tech articles, not for a victory over those darned SJW's.
Like I said, bullshitty triumphalism for people with nothing else in their lives.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 01 2015, @12:30AM
And that's what you got. Gaming is part of tech. PAX is a gaming con. For that matter, #GamerGate is an online movement by gamers and very much tech-related. Live with the facts or deny them, won't change a thing.
You really should read more of my comments. I care more about fishing than I ever will what the SJWs are doing. I know it probably butthurts them to no end but they're really not that important. Gamers simply refuse to lose a game they're playing. It's kind of built in. It doesn't mean we're going to lose any metaphorical sleep over the game.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by spamdog on Tuesday September 01 2015, @12:40AM
You are not nearly as objective and detached as you claim. Otherwise why would you need to pimp these kinds of stories?
I have read up about your recent triumph against @srhbutts, and as suspected, it's a sordid story of doxxing and 8chan cretinism.
Your "mocking" of navels comes across like Rush Limbaugh trying to be funny. It's less about the humor and more about the ideology. The "jokes" are always accompanied by Very Serious Internet Furrowed Brow.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 01 2015, @01:17AM
Outing a pedophile by their own public statements is doxxing now? Who knew? I thought it was what journalistic types call doing your research.
As for objectivity, I never claimed it. I believe what I believe and make no secret of it. This, however, was nothing but a joke and had no politics in it whatsoever. If you don't get or don't like the joke, groan and move on. Bringing your baggage over the mere mention of the word GamerGate isn't making you look all that well balanced, I gotta say.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by aristarchus on Tuesday September 01 2015, @07:18AM
I think we have identified the problem:
And that's what you got. Gaming is part of tech. PAX is a gaming con. For that matter, #GamerGate is an online movement by gamers and very much tech-related.
Gaming is not part of tech. It may be an application of tech, but does not have to be. (Cards, anyone?) Gaming is part of childhood. There's the problem. Gamergaters are children, they do not understand women, they do not understand adult behavior, they do not understand sexuality except in the most " aggressive navel" and "aggressive cleavage" ways, which makes them suckers for marketers with the most bodacious booth babes. And furries. Though I never could get what the attraction is.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2015, @07:49AM
Gaming is part of tech.
Sure, if you're into minecraft or dwarf fortress and craft a difference machine out of the blocks/tiles, or create your own games using mad gwbasic skills or even write mods for an existing game. The other 99.99% is better described as consumerism.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2015, @01:18AM
GG is definitely libertarian though. Not conservative.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2015, @01:44AM
What is wrong with liking young girls (didn't watch video)?
(Score: 2) by gman003 on Tuesday September 01 2015, @12:11AM
Libertarians are a diverse lot, and are identified on both sides of the left/right spectrum. Wikipedia helpfully labels them as Left-Libertarians [wikipedia.org] and Right-Libertarians [wikipedia.org], if you wish to do some reading. In any case, your views on market economics were not evident from your summary or comments, and in light of your noted affiliation with a reactionary right-wing group, labeling you as right-wing was a reasonable assumption.
The whole left/right spectrum is a bit foolish anyways. It has nothing for Socialist Libertarians like myself. The two-axis model is marginally better but still rather limited.
(Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 01 2015, @12:36AM
I'm a flat liberty libertarian. I don't approve of government intervention in either cultural or fiscal matters.
I'm also an egalitarian, which is why I absolutely cannot stand the racist and sexist positions of the "social justice" crowd. Social justice is a phrase made up so as to incorporate the legitimacy of the word justice while being directly opposed by actual justice. Treating people equally is the only way you will ever have equality and equality is the only way you will ever have actual justice; this means never giving anyone preferential treatment because of their race/gender, even if that race/gender was legitimately oppressed in the past among other things.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2015, @01:21AM
What proof do you have that GG is a "reactionary right-wing group", out of morbid curiosity?
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Tuesday September 01 2015, @01:11AM
What a load of angst.
You all could look at some of the cool pictures -- one of my favs is the chubby storm trooper. That's just kind of awesome:
http://www.gamespot.com/gallery/best-cosplay-at-pax-prime-2015-updated/2900-306/13/ [gamespot.com]
Or if you want to see cleavage, theres a few of those:
http://www.gamespot.com/gallery/best-cosplay-at-pax-prime-2015-updated/2900-306/18/ [gamespot.com]
some pretty crazy knitting:
http://www.gamespot.com/gallery/best-cosplay-at-pax-prime-2015-updated/2900-306/49/ [gamespot.com]
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday September 01 2015, @03:33AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Tuesday September 01 2015, @10:26AM
"Partial nudity, the aggressive display of cleavage and the navel"
The word "aggressive" is linked to "display of cleavage and the navel", not JUST "the navel"
Any person with cleavage *to the navel* (especially a well-endowed female) is being aggressively sexual, (and sexually aggressive, for that matter)
Alas, little boys* see the characters in games (and the people going to the VMAs http://time.com/4016453/vmas-2015-mtv-red-carpet-photos/ [time.com] ) and seem to think that is how women (and girls) should dress, and anyone getting in the way of seeing these semi-naked girls is a baddy.
As far as I can tell, PAX is a commercial, ticketed (therefore private) event. Dress rules are up to the organisers tomapply and enforce. If you don't like it, go somewhere else, or set up your own event.
* yes, even those who have reached majority
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex