More people in Europe are dying than are being born, according to a new report co-authored by a Texas A&M University demographer. In contrast, births exceed deaths, by significant margins, in Texas and elsewhere in the U.S., with few exceptions.
Texas A&M Professor of Sociology Dudley Poston, along with Professor Kenneth Johnson, University of New Hampshire, and Professor Layton Field, Mount St. Mary's University, published their findings in Population and Development Review this month.
The researchers find that 17 European nations have more people dying in them than are being born (natural decrease), including three of Europe's more populous nations: Russia, Germany and Italy. In contrast, in the U.S. and in the state of Texas, births exceed deaths by a substantial margin.
http://phys.org/news/2016-01-people-europe-dying-born.html
[Abstract]: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1728-4457.2015.00089.x/abstract (DOI: 10.1111/j.1728-4457.2015.00089.x)
[Source]: Is Europe Dying
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2016, @05:22AM
That's why the Allah created Arabs.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2016, @05:27AM
Pretty much this. Someone will fill the void when Europe becomes a ghost continent.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2016, @05:27AM
And Mexicans, apparently.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday January 16 2016, @06:33AM
/RedFoxx) I'm coming to join you, Edith! It's the big one! Oh, Lordy! //Reddfox
So you see, after the cardiac even, Sanford's son would do what ever the wanted. So this death rate thing, it could be vastly over-estimated. I mean, it is like something HUGE, like Trump not getting the nomination. or Oral Roberts not getting oral, or roberts, or donations, so that really, the decline in the birth rate is a Yuge Ponzi scheme, the worst deal I have ever seen. And I have seen some bad deals! I contracted for Trump! Bastard didn't die.
(Full disclosure: I am going to post as AC, because I love ACs and I think they need to die, and more that I am not sure what Redd Foxx' s deceased spouse's name was on "Sanford and Son". Sorry, Soylentils.)
(Score: 3, Funny) by frojack on Saturday January 16 2016, @06:39AM
Full disclosure: I am going to post as AC,
Starting when?
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Saturday January 16 2016, @06:49AM
/RedFoxx) I'm coming to join you, Edith! It's the big one! Oh, Lordy! //Reddfox
Actually it was Elizabeth [wikipedia.org] not Edith. Edith [wikipedia.org] (Dingbat) was Archie's [wikipedia.org] wife.
It's not surprising that you should confuse the two as the two shows aired in competition with each other.
What's actually more of on-topic interest here is that both the Sanfords and Bunkers each only had one child -- hence contributing, at least fictionally, to "sub-replacement fertility" rates.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by Adamsjas on Saturday January 16 2016, @06:58AM
My five siblings and I liked to watch both those shows.
The fiction of sub-replacement fertility never crossed our minds.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Saturday January 16 2016, @07:09AM
My five siblings and I liked to watch both those shows.
The fiction of sub-replacement fertility never crossed our minds.
I and my eight (well, six now:( ) siblings may or may not have all watched both shows. Although I did.
However, Sub-replacement Fertility Rates [wikipedia.org] are not fiction, at least not for almost half the world's population, including the United States.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 4, Informative) by Whoever on Saturday January 16 2016, @06:12AM
This isn't a new phenomenon. Italy has had a declining population for a while. The UK population is only sustained by immigrants (and their children) having a higher birth rate than non-immigrants. The north of Italy, especially, has many couples with no children or perhaps one child. 20 years ago, when I spent some time there, the idea of having 3 children was looked upon almost with horror.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by frojack on Saturday January 16 2016, @06:48AM
But its not like the country (any of them) is really at a shortage for labor yet.
The problem in most those countries is one of propping up their welfare/socialized state payments system.
Its strictly a monetary issue at this time. Their farms are productive, and their industry is modern. the number of workers of the type they need won't be found in Syria, or North Africa. Right now they just need wage earners to tax.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2016, @08:00AM
In the UK the tobacco taxes bring in many times more money than the smokers cost the NHS.
If people want to die for their country why not let them?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by MostCynical on Saturday January 16 2016, @09:28AM
AC is correct:
https://fullfact.org/factchecks/does_smoking_cost_as_much_as_it_makes_for_the_treasury-29288 [fullfact.org]
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 3, Insightful) by mtrycz on Saturday January 16 2016, @12:32PM
That's the most cynical thing I've heard this year.
In capitalist America, ads view YOU!
(Score: 1) by Francis on Saturday January 16 2016, @02:32PM
Because we don't cut people off from health care because they fuck up their bodies with poisons. Also, most of the things that cut down life expectancies for the individual cause social problems for other people. Smoking has 2nd hand smoke; drinking has violence, drunk driving and all sorts of other consequences.
Even things like lack of exercise and poor nutrition have social costs for people that are choosing to live a healthier life.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2016, @11:53AM
The problem in most those countries is one of propping up their welfare/socialized state payments system.
Not even that, because dead people don't require doctors and hospitals and new roads and pensions etc. The REAL problem is that banks find it hard to expand credit when no new babies are being born and there's no demand for new construction when buildings stand empty. Property prices tend to fall when that happens, and this is bad (for the banks, since their books and business model are based on ever rising property prices).
(Score: 1) by Francis on Saturday January 16 2016, @02:29PM
Japan is closest to the point of not having enough laborers to handle the needs of the economy. Most countries don't have that problem because they import labor to handle the problem. Unless you're in a war torn 3rd world nation, there's a good chance that there's somebody out there that would love to come work so they could improve their life.
As I recall, the only reason the US' population remains growing is because of immigration. Which is a large part of why the population is on track to no longer be majority white.
(Score: 2) by frojack on Saturday January 16 2016, @06:25AM
This isn't news to the Leaders of the EU, especially in Germany. It was in the press [washingtonpost.com] that Mekle considered this fact when she offered the refuges/migrants the ability to enter and stay. Falling birth rates [ibtimes.com] have been a big issue for Germany more than other countries.
There is no way that the current birth rate can support the cradle to grave nanny state benefits that Germany provides to its citizens. An'd there's no way the EU needed those good old boys from Texas to tell them that.
Europe’s aging population needs a younger population to look after its elderly, work in healthcare and move to more rural areas that are being emptied out by population decline and economic flight. Europe’s countries are “no longer self-sustaining,” according to the Guardian, citing government spending on pensions among other indicators.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by zugedneb on Saturday January 16 2016, @10:10AM
It seems like treason from the aging and frightened population...
They are so afraid of dying lonely, that they fill the country with muslims...
I have not imagined something like this, but now I am not surprised...
My own way of the ninja is to live as long as I can wipe my own ass...
old saying: "a troll is a window into the soul of humanity" + also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax
(Score: 3, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Saturday January 16 2016, @07:02AM
This may well be true. However, almost half the world's population live in areas with sub-replacement fertility rates, including the U.S. [wikipedia.org] Which should give the anti-immigrant morons some pause.
From the link:
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 3, Insightful) by frojack on Saturday January 16 2016, @07:21AM
Weren't you one of the guys posting around here about needing half the population to just go away in order to save the planet?
The way toward falling birth rates is raising the living standard. Where ever the standard of living and quality of life rises, people start naturally reducing the number of children they care to rear.
Moving masses of people really isn't a solution to an over population problem.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Saturday January 16 2016, @07:37AM
Weren't you one of the guys posting around here about needing half the population to just go away in order to save the planet?
Nope. That wasn't me. Nor do think that's the case.
The way toward falling birth rates is raising the living standard. Where ever the standard of living and quality of life rises, people start naturally reducing the number of children they care to rear.
You're absolutely correct. And if you look at the map on the wikipedia page I linked, it's pretty obvious that the large majority of the countries with "sub-replacement" fertility rates are the developed/rich countries.
Moving masses of people really isn't a solution to an over population problem.
I never said that it was. However, over the long term, those same countries will either need immigration or their populations will dwindle. Evening out the distribution of population a bit isn't a bad idea, IMHO.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by bootsy on Monday January 18 2016, @11:42AM
According to the UN the only correlation they could find with decreasing birth rates is higher levels of female literacy.
Girls who can read are far less likley to put up with producing unwanted children and more likely to plan for children they might actually want.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2016, @07:52AM
The elderly Japanese will be cared for mostly by robots that speak Japanese.
The elderly Germans will be, uh, "taken care of" by people who call them "kafir" in a non-German language.
I have to say the Japanese are being the smarter ones. That said, fixing the economic disincentives for large families would be an even smarter move.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2016, @09:19AM
...and rape their daughters..
...and force their daughters to cover themselves so as not to incite being raped..
...and change the laws to enshrine Islam..
...and make other religions illegal then tax other religions..
...and so on
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2016, @07:42PM
Indeed! Just as when the Muslims conquered Spain.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/spain_1.shtml [bbc.co.uk]
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/24/spain-sephardic-jews-islam-muslim [theguardian.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 19 2016, @01:38AM
I'm not entirely sure what point you were trying to make with you links, but there are some bits I'll highlight.
From your first link:
A Golden Age of religious tolerance?
Islamic Spain is sometimes described as a 'golden age' of religious and ethnic tolerance and interfaith harmony between Muslims, Christians and Jews.
Some historians believe this idea of a golden age is false and might lead modern readers to believe, wrongly, that Muslim Spain was tolerant by the standards of 21st century Britain.
The true position is more complicated. The distinguished historian Bernard Lewis wrote that the status of non-Muslims in Islamic Spain was a sort of second-class citizenship but he went on to say:
Second-class citizenship, though second class, is a kind of citizenship. It involves some rights, though not all, and is surely better than no rights at all...
...A recognized status, albeit one of inferiority to the dominant group, which is established by law, recognized by tradition, and confirmed by popular assent, is not to be despised.
Bernard Lewis, The Jews of Islam, 1984
Oh, and don't forget this bit either:
In Islamic Spain, Jews and Christians were tolerated if they:
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2016, @09:22AM
Japan took 11 illegal border violating immigrants last year. Even if every single one has a wife and 7 child who they demand to be reconcilled with then this policy of disincentive for large families is working.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2016, @10:10AM
> The elderly Japanese will be cared for mostly by robots that speak Japanese.
(1) It isn't just about "care" of the elderly - the economy is a 1000x larger than caregivers in the home
(2) How many decades of failed promises about robots, AI and future tech in general does it take to convince you not to count your chickens until they are hatched?
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2016, @10:16AM
We need fewer people, so this is actually a good thing. We don't need to "fix" any economic disincentives for large families; certainly not right now.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2016, @08:18AM
Australia is full.
Take your religion with you.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by zugedneb on Saturday January 16 2016, @09:58AM
There is nothing that says we must have 6 billion people...
It is tragic, but yes, some of the elderly will die without care, and not so many people will be born.
But the ones that remain will be embedded in a world of tech and Virtual Reality, so they will not suffer so much...
Secondly, this is also about the freedom of women.
Not long ago, it was the way of life, to marry early, and have family.
Nowdays, women want to do shit...
Thirdly, speaking as a guy, it is very hard to find a woman.
Not to fuck a woman, but to actually find a woman to live with.
The woman seems to change character in strange manner, and also swing in and out of character.
When a woman becomes a "woman" + a mother, it is an entirely different thing. I have seen it mostly on my friends wife's, but still...
You might find someone, after some longer friendship you move together, and then it all becomes strange.
As a guy approaching 40, there is no fucking way I give up my freedom, and experiment further on living with women. No way...
ps: if u feel for snide remarks, remember that a troll is a character, not a real life personality
old saying: "a troll is a window into the soul of humanity" + also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2016, @10:13AM
> Thirdly, speaking as a guy, it is very hard to find a woman.
Well, the majority of guys don't seem to have that problem. In your case there is one common denominator though.
> ps: if u feel for snide remarks, remember that a troll is a character, not a real life personality
If you are lying in your posts, what's the point? Nah. I don't think you are lying about who you are at all.
I think you are just thin-skinned and can't take criticism. In which case you shouldn't post in the first place.
(Score: 1) by zugedneb on Saturday January 16 2016, @10:46AM
It is not that simple...
Up to "recently", mammals had mostly 2 ways of dealing with the family:
1: solitary, leaving the young at a small age
2: live in a flock
The human being used to be in the second option, until recently.
There was the village, clan, the family - and not just the core family.
Neither the man nor the woman had to shoulder so much as they do today.
There was always a safety net, there were always people to ask, there was always people around.
Culture and common sense gave reasons for people to get along with others.
Now, many people do not have an optimal relation to family and live more or less solitary life.
For many, it is the core family, the man, woman, and children.
From what I have seen, this is a burden for all.
The woman has nowhere to turn with baby/child issues, except to the medical centers, equally young friends or nowdays the internet. There is not the safety that she used to have in the presence of the older woman and the community.
The man, no matter how charismatic and good man he is, can not compensate for the doubt and hardship. He can not be that "strong" as it is expected of him. Also for him, the older and wiser men are not around anymore
We have become advanced, but lonely... We do not live in a way we were "meant to".
Ps: that I am a failed human being and a nazi does not make me an idiot.
If you look at my posts, you may feel offended, but I do not lie, and do not make hardcore claims about my abilities.
old saying: "a troll is a window into the soul of humanity" + also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2016, @12:00PM
that I am a failed human being and a nazi
The words 'failed' and 'Nazi' do not belong in the same sentence.
National Socialists do not fail as human beings. In fact, they live rich lives where they not only increase their own self-worth but also make solid contributions to society.
While the rest of "humanity" is watching television programming generated by "friends of humanity", National Socialists produce something of lasting value. It is of utmost importance to National Socialists that they live successful, fulfilling lives as well as help their own kind do the same. By being successful, they produce value instead of taking it. By showing others how to succeed, they create believers.
Having a healthy relationship with a woman is natural. But women are too vain these days, watching television and believing it and not knowing that the ones running television are their enemies, not their friends. It is not surprising that it is getting more difficult to find a good woman these days. But a man has to do the best he can. Things were never easy and a National Socialist likes to be challenged. And he succeeds because he believes.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by NoMaster on Saturday January 16 2016, @01:37PM
Kids, this is what happens when you think you've taught yourself ecology: sure, you can make a good-sounding argument, but you don't know enough to understand that your basic premise is bullshit...
Live free or fuck off and take your naïve Libertarian fantasies with you...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2016, @01:40PM
anytime now, you will explain how OP was wrong in the outlines of the argument
(Score: 3, Informative) by Justin Case on Saturday January 16 2016, @10:17AM
If you really believe the anthropogenic global warming line (or anthropogenic any environmental problem) this has to be wonderful news for you. People are the cause of environmental destruction. Fewer people, less destruction. Yaay!
Birth rate reduction is the most humane way to reduce the population. Even the most rabid environmentalists don't talk much about the other "solutions", or at least I don't hear them admitting it in public.
(Score: 2) by requerdanos on Saturday January 16 2016, @01:23PM
It's strange.
Overpopulation is an alarming problem, has been for quite some time...
Now underpopulation is a problem???
You can't have it both ways, folks....
(Score: 1, Troll) by Justin Case on Saturday January 16 2016, @02:21PM
Any big-government bootlicker can easily explain this.
Everything must be, and remain, exactly the same everywhere.
No state can be at the top or bottom of the worst schools list, or any other sorted list. They must all be the same.
No one can have more or less opportunity -- or outcome. In school, everybody gets an A. Everybody goes to college and graduates.
The climate cannot get warmer, or colder, or change at all. It must always remain as it is now. Or was in the good old days. Or whatever. Change is bad.
Prices cannot rise, or fall. Both are bad. Except my salary. That must rise regularly and significantly.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 16 2016, @07:55PM
Environmentalists consider overpopulation a problem because, everything else being equal, more people leave a heavier "footprint" upon the Earth.
Economists consider underpopulation a problem because, everything else being equal, more people engage in more economic activity.
In 2014, there was economic growth without increased emissions of carbon dioxide.
https://www.iea.org/newsroomandevents/news/2015/march/global-energy-related-emissions-of-carbon-dioxide-stalled-in-2014.html [iea.org]
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Sunday January 17 2016, @01:45AM
Europe is dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmm....(puff)(puff)(puff)...mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeed!
There, I said it.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 17 2016, @02:15AM
Every population of every creature fluctuates.
Somehow when humans do so its all "doom and gloom" (read: propaganda to accept policies that no one wants and will destroy the nation).
Only insane stock market gambling addicts think the population should increase infinitely.
Funny thing about European peoples: When they get overcrowded, their birth rates fall off to adjust to resource availability. Compare to Native Africans, however, who continue to breed regardless of resource availability and end up starving to death.
Europeans evolved in a harsher environment. If you didn't manage resources well before and during winter then everyone would starve to death by spring. The population problem is not caused by europeans... and yet the AGW nutters also want to increase populations of 3rd worlders and replace the eco-friendly-breeding Europeans with migrants who have no innate breeding strategy.