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posted by martyb on Monday February 22 2016, @01:43PM   Printer-friendly
from the we-only-want-'good'-news dept.

As reported by The Guardian:

Many British politicians would doubtless rejoice at the news that Andrew Marr, Emily Maitlis, and Andrew Neil were to leave their jobs almost simultaneously.

That is the fate that has befallen what could loosely be described as their counterparts in Japan – Ichiro Furutachi, Hiroko Kuniya and Shigetada Kishii – three respected broadcasters with a reputation for asking tough questions.

Their imminent departure from evening news programmes is not just a loss to their profession; critics say they were forced out as part of a crackdown on media dissent by an increasingly intolerant prime minister, Shinzo Abe, and his supporters.

Only last week, the internal affairs minister, Sanae Takaichi, sent a clear message to media organisations. Broadcasters that repeatedly failed to show "fairness" in their political coverage, despite official warnings, could be taken off the air, she told MPs.

Under broadcast laws, the internal affairs minister has the power to suspend broadcasting that does not maintain political neutrality.

Additional coverage at LibertyBlitzkrieg.com.


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  • (Score: 2) by martyb on Monday February 22 2016, @03:36AM

    by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 22 2016, @03:36AM (#307988) Journal

    Though this story references Japan and the UK, it leads me to wonder how things are in the rest of the world. The USA has the First Amendment [wikipedia.org] which guarantees freedom of the press. It is easy to take this for granted, but stories like this one cause me stop for a moment and reflect on just how important a protection it is. SoylentNews was founded and incorporated in pursuit of providing a forum for open discussion. We have had over 300,000 comments posted to this site over the past two years. I find it sad that these journalists, in service to their community, have lost their jobs in their pursuit of the truth.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 22 2016, @02:03PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 22 2016, @02:03PM (#308141)

      One the one hand you are right. On the other hand it is just as likely to happen here, even if the means are different. Consolidation of media and turning news into a sideshow with two asshats arguing back and forth the same talking points while the "journalist" serves as a referee is no better.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Monday February 22 2016, @02:27PM

        by GreatAuntAnesthesia (3275) on Monday February 22 2016, @02:27PM (#308153) Journal

        Correct. Your constitution "guarantees" a lot of stuff but how much of that has been completely ignored or overridden by recent governments, with the public too apathetic and/or powerless to enforce it?
        Sometimes it seems like all constitutional debate in the US is diverted into gun control, allowing all sorts of constitutional violations to slip past unchallenged. If I was the conspiracy theory type, I might comment on just how convenient that would be for the Powers That Be.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Thexalon on Monday February 22 2016, @02:30PM

      by Thexalon (636) on Monday February 22 2016, @02:30PM (#308156)

      That sort of thing does indeed happen in the United States. A couple of cases:

      • Jane Akre and Steve Wilson [goldmanprize.org] were fired because they refused to lie about the effects of bovine growth hormone in milk, because Monsanto didn't like what they had to say. In the ensuing lawsuit for wrongful termination, a jury awarded them $475,000, but they lost on appeal because it turned out that baldface lying on the air isn't illegal, so Akre and Wilson weren't legally whistleblowers, so they could be fired for refusing to do so.
      • Cenk Uyger also talked about how he ended up losing his job at MSNBC because "people in Washington" didn't like what he was saying. And it wasn't people who worked for MSNBC they were talking about: by all appearances it was the Obama administration.

      There's another problem that's also pretty obvious: Most political reporters depend on inside anonymous sources. Those same sources effectively control that reporters' career, because they can either feed those reporters accurate information to build their careers, inaccurate information to diminish their careers, or cut off access to end their careers. And you can be damn sure that reporters factor that in to what they write or say.

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      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 22 2016, @03:42PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 22 2016, @03:42PM (#308214)

        To me MSNBC is a lot like Fox. So not surprising he was let go if Obama didn't like him. For America I think they have gotten around the 1st amendment by making all news opinion pieces. Freedom to say anything that means nothing.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Non Sequor on Tuesday February 23 2016, @01:36AM

        by Non Sequor (1005) on Tuesday February 23 2016, @01:36AM (#308452) Journal

        The Jane Akre and Steve Wilson story is a bit more complicated than that. There's no smoking gun for adverse human health effects from rBGH and the bans in Canada and the EU are on the basis of documented adverse effects on cow health. The FDA approved rBGH on the basis that even though it causes demonstrable health problems in the animals themselves, there is a lack of demonstrable effects on the milk.

        From what I understand, they were not publishing new evidence of adverse effects of rBGH, but rather they were building a piece based on an existing body of criticism of rBGH, which as noted above lacks a human health smoking gun. Akre and Wilson's opinion was that the pro-rBGH sources are not credible and that adding them to the story would undermine a message they felt was important.

        The local news station management, after being made aware that they would be sued if the story that was being prepared at that time was aired, did not feel confident in Akre and Wilson's assessment of the credibility of the various sources that were available. They went through 8 months of trying to get the piece moderated to the point where they weren't going to be sued.

        Additionally, the appellate court's ruling noted that most of the claims by Akre and Wilson had been defeated at a lower court. The only claim which had been decided in their favor was that they had been terminated in retaliation for a threat to report the station to the FCC for news distortion. The appellate court ruling was not based on evaluating the soundness of the remaining claim but rather on whether or not informal FCC guidance on news distortion was within scope for a Florida whistle blower law. The court found that the whistle blower law was intentionally constructed to pertain to violations of formally adopted rules. I haven't read the lower court opinion, but I wouldn't take it for granted that the lower court finding in favor of the plaintiff on that claim included an evaluation of whether or not the station management distorted the story. The jury may have decided that claim on the basis of finding that the threat of reporting to the FCC was what triggered the termination. The validity or invalidity of the accusation of news distortion may not have been a consideration in that decision. That would be consistent with the rest of the claims being dismissed and only a claim with a simpler legal construction being decided for the plaintiff.

        Now, all that said, there are some sinister elements in play here, but they are much more subtle than the storyline of "evil corporation stifles do-gooder journalists". What's sinister here is that a whitewash piece that shows only the pro-rBGH side could be published much more easily and with much less threat of legal action than a piece that only shows the anti-rBGH side. One side is enabled to make bolder public claims than the other. You can't see that asymmetry in the system from any one story, but this case demonstrates that it exists on average across multiple stories.

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    • (Score: 5, Touché) by theluggage on Monday February 22 2016, @03:16PM

      by theluggage (1797) on Monday February 22 2016, @03:16PM (#308193)

      The USA has the First Amendment [wikipedia.org] which guarantees freedom of the press.

      Last time I looked, the US constitution prevents the government from passing any law that inhibits the freedom of the press. It says nothing about forbidding media barons from having vested interests and firing employees that don't toe the company line (I mean, they're not the government so whatever they do must be ok and any attempt to prevent them abusing their power is pinko commie evil, right?)

      "Who watches the watchers?" is a paradox - "we do!" is not a valid answer.

      • (Score: 2) by naubol on Monday February 22 2016, @06:43PM

        by naubol (1918) on Monday February 22 2016, @06:43PM (#308299)

        Exactly! You can go beyond this and start baiting incendiary stories in order to capture the media's attention and reduce the chances that people will think about what you don't want them to think about. Opportunistic bigotry is a huge problem. The people lighting these fires don't honestly care.

        I'm hopeful that the rise of more distributed means of communication via the internet, the new media, are able to find purchase in the larger market and supplant much of the typical opinion making over time. So, I am not sure that the 1st amendment isn't alive and well in this medium.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Monday February 22 2016, @09:29PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 22 2016, @09:29PM (#308363) Journal

        I mean, they're not the government so whatever they do must be ok and any attempt to prevent them abusing their power is pinko commie evil, right?

        I know you're trying to be sarcastic, but legally, yes that is correct. And historically, yellow journalism has been with the US for longer than there's been a US.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by legont on Monday February 22 2016, @03:42PM

      by legont (4179) on Monday February 22 2016, @03:42PM (#308213)

      Russian constitution puts it like this (and not in an amendment, mind you)

      Article 29.

              Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought and speech.
              Propaganda or campaigning inciting social, racial, national or religious hatred and strife is impermissible. The propaganda of social, racial, national, religious or language superiority is forbidden.
              No one may be coerced into expressing one's views and convictions or into renouncing them.
              Everyone shall have the right to seek, get, transfer, produce and disseminate information by any lawful means. The list of information constituting the state secret shall be established by the federal law.
              The freedom of the mass media shall be guaranteed. Censorship shall be prohibited.

      http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/russian/const/ch2.html [bucknell.edu]

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 22 2016, @04:03PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 22 2016, @04:03PM (#308223)

        Very nice and informative.
        Many times I see on this site and others that x/y/z can't happen in the US because of the constitution. I guess most constitutions look very nice with well intended content.
        But the US is the only country I know of that is actively violating the Geneva conventions on human rights, on a daily basis, with full democratic government support. That should ring a warning bell to all US citizens.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday February 22 2016, @09:40PM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 22 2016, @09:40PM (#308368) Journal

          But the US is the only country I know of that is actively violating the Geneva conventions on human rights, on a daily basis, with full democratic government support.

          Which isn't saying much since a) you don't sound like you know much, b) violation covers a wide scale - murdering millions of civilians or not meeting dress code, and c) the Geneva Conventions are brutal on parties who don't follow the Geneva Conventions (namely, there is reciprocity - you don't have to honor most of the provisions of the Conventions for a foe who isn't complying with the Conventions).

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 25 2016, @04:51AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 25 2016, @04:51AM (#309557)

            c) the Geneva Conventions are brutal on parties who don't follow the Geneva Conventions (namely, there is reciprocity - you don't have to honor most of the provisions of the Conventions for a foe who isn't complying with the Conventions).

            That's not very principled. Someone who advocates for government censorship should still have their free speech rights respected. People who advocate for mass surveillance should still have their privacy rights respected. And so on.

            Instead of lowering yourself to their level, you should take the opportunity to show that you are better than they are.

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday February 29 2016, @12:25PM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 29 2016, @12:25PM (#311531) Journal

              That's not very principled. Someone who advocates for government censorship should still have their free speech rights respected. People who advocate for mass surveillance should still have their privacy rights respected. And so on.

              And people who kill innocents either directly or by hiding among innocents should be allowed to continue to kill? The difference here is that it's not advocacy. The proper analogy would start with someone who is imposing censorship or mass surveillance so heinous that there's international law against it.

              Instead of lowering yourself to their level, you should take the opportunity to show that you are better than they are.

              Principle doesn't stop the behavior.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by tibman on Monday February 22 2016, @04:53PM

        by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 22 2016, @04:53PM (#308247)

        Where's the part that excludes lesbian/gay people? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Russia [wikipedia.org]
        Maybe Russia is fighting against the gay agenda or something?

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        • (Score: 2) by Refugee from beyond on Monday February 22 2016, @05:34PM

          by Refugee from beyond (2699) on Monday February 22 2016, @05:34PM (#308262)

          Article 19 guarantess equality. Currently, it is just a paper, though. Worse than that, if you try to raise awareness you are more than likely to be declared extremist or something.

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          • (Score: 2) by frojack on Monday February 22 2016, @11:26PM

            by frojack (1554) on Monday February 22 2016, @11:26PM (#308407) Journal

            Article 29 guarantees nothing, because the second sentence destroys the rest.
            You are free to hold your own thoughts.
            You are also required to hold your tongue.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 22 2016, @10:06PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 22 2016, @10:06PM (#308381)

          The prohibitions against "propaganda" quoted in the grandparent post are, I surmise, the basis of Russia's policy against pro-gay speech. In the English translation, they seem very broad.

      • (Score: 2) by BradTheGeek on Monday February 22 2016, @06:45PM

        by BradTheGeek (450) on Monday February 22 2016, @06:45PM (#308301)

        Tell that to Pussy Riot

      • (Score: 2) by naubol on Monday February 22 2016, @06:45PM

        by naubol (1918) on Monday February 22 2016, @06:45PM (#308302)

        Unless you want to talk publically about homosexuality and then you're a criminal. Propaganda can clearly mean whatever they want it to mean and thus provide an avenue for censoring what you like.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 22 2016, @09:55PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 22 2016, @09:55PM (#308376)

        Wow. Islam is just completely fucked then. No wonder they don't try to take over Russia

      • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Monday February 22 2016, @11:38PM

        by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Monday February 22 2016, @11:38PM (#308410)

        Propaganda or campaigning inciting social, racial, national or religious hatred and strife is impermissible. The propaganda of social, racial, national, religious or language superiority is forbidden.

        So their constitution guarantees freedom of speech, except speech that they don't like.

    • (Score: 2) by frojack on Monday February 22 2016, @10:39PM

      by frojack (1554) on Monday February 22 2016, @10:39PM (#308392) Journal

      Well, in exchange for that freedom, there are a lot of people thinking there should be some requirement for objectivity. Otherwise the press becomes LESS than useless, because it begins to damage discourse.

      The rub is trying to find some way to judge objectivity and truth, without empowering the government to do that.

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      • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Monday February 22 2016, @11:45PM

        by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Monday February 22 2016, @11:45PM (#308412)

        Well, in exchange for that freedom

        There is no "in exchange for" in the first amendment. It's not a 'We'll give you these rights if you do these things...' type of thing.

        • (Score: 2) by frojack on Tuesday February 23 2016, @01:38AM

          by frojack (1554) on Tuesday February 23 2016, @01:38AM (#308453) Journal

          I would have thought my comment made it crystal clear that a government solution wasn't wanted.

          However, you assume there is no leverage. Yet we LICENSE TV stations, and we lease public broadcast spectrum (for large sums of money) to TV stations with the expectation that they will adhere to some standards and regulations.

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          • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Tuesday February 23 2016, @03:21AM

            by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Tuesday February 23 2016, @03:21AM (#308487)

            However, you assume there is no leverage. Yet we LICENSE TV stations, and we lease public broadcast spectrum (for large sums of money) to TV stations with the expectation that they will adhere to some standards and regulations.

            I don't assume that. I'm well aware that the government violates the constitution.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by davester666 on Tuesday February 23 2016, @06:41AM

      by davester666 (155) on Tuesday February 23 2016, @06:41AM (#308556)

      Sorry, the US may have the first amendment, but politicians still manage to do a good job of controlling reporters.

      You do a hit on a politicians [Senate/Congress/President] where you ask them a pointed, embarrassing question? If you are younger than Dan Rather, you can count on not getting the chance to do that again, to that person or to any other politician again. White House press room, bad question, doh, you don't get to ask any more questions. Ever. You want a one-on-one interview with a politician. Submit all your questions 3 weeks in advance. They have spent a lot of time, money and effort to make sure reporters have a very limited ability to ask questions the politician doesn't want asked.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 22 2016, @02:08PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 22 2016, @02:08PM (#308144)

    Shinzo Abe - Aleksandar Vucic of Japan!

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by SanityCheck on Monday February 22 2016, @02:23PM

      by SanityCheck (5190) on Monday February 22 2016, @02:23PM (#308151)

      I thought he was kinda like their Regan: "pushing some sort of a made-up economic strategy that kinda-works but not really and won't be discovered to be a total failure till decades from now by which time he is immortalized in so many people's minds it won't matter to them."

      • (Score: 2) by VLM on Monday February 22 2016, @05:39PM

        by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 22 2016, @05:39PM (#308264)

        pushing some sort of a made-up economic strategy that kinda-works but not really

        Yes exactly last dying gasp of Keynesian economics. It was the nearly utterly dominant economic theory from the great depression till "now-ish". No one believes it anymore but there's too much history and political capital tied up on belief to just drop it. Kinda like the last days of communist rule in USSR.

        It had a good run for awhile, but its obsolete having failed, and there's nothing dominant to replace it right now (more of a collapse than a coup).

        Some of the replacements have their own baggage of course. Think of Mises, who is obviously more correct than Keynes, but comes with a pretty hefty pile of libertarian political baggage.

        • (Score: 5, Touché) by NotSanguine on Monday February 22 2016, @06:45PM

          by NotSanguine (285) <NotSanguineNO@SPAMSoylentNews.Org> on Monday February 22 2016, @06:45PM (#308300) Homepage Journal

          Yes exactly last dying gasp of Keynesian economics. It was the nearly utterly dominant economic theory from the great depression till "now-ish". No one believes it anymore but there's too much history and political capital tied up on belief to just drop it. Kinda like the last days of communist rule in USSR.

          Actually, he was referring to the fiasco now called "Supply-side economics" which was pushed by the likes of Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman and Robert Mundell as the "anti-Keynesian solution."

          I know you really love your narrative, and it's sad that it isn't true. I'm sorry.

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          • (Score: 2) by VLM on Monday February 22 2016, @08:54PM

            by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 22 2016, @08:54PM (#308346)

            Maybe a good way to describe Abeonomics is until (if?) it starts to work, its everything nobody likes. I'm sure if it worked it would be everything everyone likes.

            It does smell a bit of "we don't know what to do so we'll just flail around randomly"

            but there is at least a component of broken window fallacy style stimulus spending in his economic free style break dancing routine.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday February 23 2016, @06:57AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 23 2016, @06:57AM (#308566) Journal

            Actually, he was referring to the fiasco now called "Supply-side economics" which was pushed by the likes of Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman and Robert Mundell as the "anti-Keynesian solution."

            What fiasco? Substantial economic growth did follow the two US examples (tax cuts in 1981 and early 2000s). Further, Japanese policy from the end of the Second World War through the recession of 1990 was very solidly supply-side oriented. And that was enough to grow Japan's economy to the second largest at the time.

            I know you really love your narrative, and it's sad that it isn't true. I'm sorry.

            You do realize Keynesian spending was part of the Abe platform?

      • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday February 22 2016, @06:38PM

        by NotSanguine (285) <NotSanguineNO@SPAMSoylentNews.Org> on Monday February 22 2016, @06:38PM (#308296) Homepage Journal

        I thought he was kinda like their Regan: "pushing some sort of a made-up economic strategy that kinda-works but not really and won't be discovered to be a total failure till decades from now by which time he is immortalized in so many people's minds it won't matter to them."

        I assume you're talking about Ronny Raygun [wikipedia.org], rather than Donald Regan [wikipedia.org].

        Even though Donald Regan was Secretary of The Treasury and pushed "Reaganomics," supply-side economics or trickle-down economics (take your pick of the appellations, it amounted to pissing on the poor), he most certainly wasn't "immortalized" for it.

        I do take issue with your characterization, because it was obvious to me (and many others) as a teen in the early 80s that such a strategy was causing much more harm than good. In fact, I remember being really upset that I was too young to vote (by a month) in the 1984 election, because Ronny was such a piece of shit. Sadly, far too many people disagreed with me.

        The fact that these [wikipedia.org] douchebags [wikipedia.org] were allowed to double, triple and quadruple-down on stupid in the ensuing decades still amazes me.

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  • (Score: 2) by VLM on Monday February 22 2016, @03:21PM

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 22 2016, @03:21PM (#308196)

    Most of the discussion has been legacy media, but nobody watches that filler anymore. That's kind of the point of clickbait and all that.

    The interesting areas going forward are topics like twitters new political speech police, supposedly euro police are going door to door to intimidate and shake down people who write anything in social media that's negative about the migrant invasion.

    You can expect more stuff like that going forward in the USA.

    I suspect we're going to see a big "brave new world" push for soma. I suspect you'll soon see stuff being pushed very heavily that "Social media isn't for discussing politics, its only for family pictures and connections and other hugbox stuff".

    • (Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Monday February 22 2016, @03:31PM

      by GreatAuntAnesthesia (3275) on Monday February 22 2016, @03:31PM (#308209) Journal

      > supposedly euro police are going door to door to intimidate and shake down people who write anything in social media that's negative about the migrant invasion.

      Can't tell if serious. If so, you need to get out more.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 22 2016, @04:10PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 22 2016, @04:10PM (#308227)

        He probably heard it on Fox News, so it must be true.

        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by VLM on Monday February 22 2016, @05:27PM

          by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 22 2016, @05:27PM (#308259)

          LOL Deutsche Welle.

          http://www.dw.com/en/online-anti-refugee-posts-lead-to-offline-visits-by-dutch-police/a-19005888 [dw.com]

          Deutsche Welle is to Germany as VOA is to USA or BBC is to UK. Government funded propaganda mostly.

          Like most national broadcasters (or at least some of them) their international coverage is excellent, but don't trust anything they say about home politics. So in this case they are a trustworthy source for news about every place on the planet but Germany, where they are completely full of BS. Luckily for news about Germany itself there's always BBC.

          DW is my second favorite international broadcaster. I probably get most of my news in total from just looking at reuters.com. My favorite international broadcaster is RT, although they can't be taken entirely seriously they are a nice balance of real news and outright comical propaganda. They're like the Fox News of Russia, kinda.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 23 2016, @12:47AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 23 2016, @12:47AM (#308431)

    If you're a conservative, your days of being allowed on Twitter are numbered, if not already over. #FreeStacy

    • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Tuesday February 23 2016, @12:56AM

      by NotSanguine (285) <NotSanguineNO@SPAMSoylentNews.Org> on Tuesday February 23 2016, @12:56AM (#308433) Homepage Journal

      If you're a conservative, your days of being allowed on Twitter are numbered, if not already over. #FreeStacy

      If you're on Twitter, your days of being a moron have and will likely be long.

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