During Thursday night's televised US Presidential debate between the four remaining candidates for the Republican nomination, front-runner Donald Trump acknowledged that he was "softening" his stated position against H1-B immigration visas, because "we have to have talented people in this country".
Trump's web site describes the candidate's hard-line stance against several types of immigration, particularly undocumented workers from Mexico, but also the H1-B program for guest workers in IT and other STEM-related fields:
Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program...
Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed.
Asked point blank by debate moderator Megyn Kelly whether he was changing the policy described on his web site, Trump acknowledged that he was:
I'm changing. We need highly-skilled people in this country. If we can't do it, we will get them in.
In fairness, Trump's rivals for the GOP nomination have also flip-flopped on immigration issues in recent years.
Trump's new position brings him closer to the views of financial media tycoon Mike Bloomberg, the former mayor of New York City, who is reportedly considering an independent run for the US Presidency. Bloomberg is a vocal advocate for unlimited H1-B visas, an idea which is popular in the executive suites and boardrooms of Silicon Valley but is anathema to many rank-and-file US engineers.
Trump has clarified his statement in a post on his Facebook page:
Megyn Kelly asked about highly-skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions.
(Score: 2) by Dunbal on Sunday March 06 2016, @01:11PM
Political candidate flip flops. Well I never.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 06 2016, @01:55PM
but flip-flopping twice in less than 24 hours is an accomplishment that few achieve
changing your opinion due to becoming better educated is a good thing we should appreciate in politicians, but that's clearly not what is going on in this case
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 06 2016, @03:05PM
A couple possibilities for the second flip-flop:
1. His campaign manager, or Rudy Guiliani (who describes himself as Trump's friendly advisor), told him that the focus group meters went south when he said he wanted to back more H1-Bs
2. More cynical. This is Trump's MO, to take both positions at the same time. If you think we need to shut down immigration, great - finally we have a candidate who cares more about American workers than about political correctness. If you think our businesses need more immigrant workers, great - you know that Trump is a liberal businessman and just had to say some things early on to get noticed.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday March 06 2016, @06:29PM
I'm hoping he wins. Jews, Arabs, foreigners, and others pushing the batshit-insane political-correctness leech culture are shitting their pants and the establishment and their useful idiots are behaving like petulant little fucks calling Daddy Trump the biggest, meanest meanie-head in the whole wide world.
Those bastards are going to be first against the wall when The Don is elected. I'd join the local chapter of the Brownshirts just to get a chance to stomp some vermin ass. America's manufacturing base will be revived and we will once again be a world leader in making shit. Techie and Computerey types will find lots of work automating and maintaining the manufacturing robotics to keep labor costs low and keep the illegal unskilled laborers the hell out of the country.
Trump will win. And, should anybody strike him down, he will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Nerdfest on Sunday March 06 2016, @06:45PM
Sadly, he very well may win. Even more sad is that if there's anyone likely to be stricken down it's Sanders. Trump can be bought, Hillary has already been purchased, and Sanders is a problem for a number of extraordinarily rich people.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 06 2016, @07:17PM
Daddy Trump
I think we've reached the core of your issues, EF...
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Sunday March 06 2016, @11:22PM
As a member of the "marxist wing" of the Democrat party as Luis CK would put it (well, actually, I consider myself a Green), I'm not afraid of Trump. He's a blowhard to be sure but the media response against him has been overwhelmingly obvious partisanship. Kind of like how when Sanders wins 2/3 of the states up for Super Saturday, you can hardly find a positive headline on it in any news aggregator -- it's all Hillary this and Hillary that as if Sanders doesn't exist. The Washington Post is so partisan and ugly, I added it my /etc/hosts just to prevent myself accidentally giving them traffic.
What we are seeing is the corporate reaction against engaging in a little economic nationalism, and the bosses hate that because if workers ever regain any power, they will find that their ability to bleed the middle class dry for their own benefit will be thwarted to some degree. I really suggest people watch this interview with Sir James Goldsmith (a self-made billionaire capitalist) from 1994 regarding NAFTA and GATT to understand this issue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PQrz8F0dBI&list=PLD255EEFDD0D9F07E [youtube.com]
There was for a long time some semblance of balance between Capital and Labor, regarding how to divide up the profits on any particular good or service. But when you engage in free trade with the third world, and where capital is totally portable, you eviscerate the ability of Labor to effectively negotiate, transfer all power to Capital, and you end up with low wages and unemployment. That's just a fact. The economy is a tool that should benefit society, not destroy it.
Back to Trump, I'll not be voting for him -- I'll vote for Bernie if he wins the primary and for Jill Stein if he doesn't -- but I would rather see him beat Hillary because if he did engage in some economic nationalism, for all his warts, that would be a good thing. If HRC is elected, we'll be looking at 4-8 more years of slowly bleeding to death. The Problem With Hillary, Chez, Is I Don't Vote Republican. [huffingtonpost.com]
As for the comparisons to Hitler, I think that's pretty over the top. Trump has clearly indicated that he thought Iraq was stupid and GWB lied (and a "yo momma" quip to the latest Bush) -- during a Republican debate! Hitler wrote about living space and war and clearly outlined his intentions in that sphere. Trump has said he would not have done that war -- that's just not very Hitleresque. Trump has of course made some pretty nasty comments, but I think that in actual practice, he'd end up being a bit more thoughtful. It's a negotiating tactic -- shoot for the stars and settle on the moon. If one was to presume that the DNC isn't just the NewGOP, it seems that its tactic is to shoot for the foothills and settle for death valley. Lastly, I figure if Trump wins, he'll either turn out to be a relatively OK president, or he'll suck, in which case an actual liberal will win 2020.
Anyway, the media is just godwinning itself in its attempt to protect Capital from ever having to share with Labor any of the proceeds of business.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 07 2016, @05:22AM
wrt to hitler - no fucking duh! Of course he isn't literally hitler, no one will ever be literally hitler again.
But if you don't see the strong parallels, then you are just being willfully blind. First and foremost is his appeal to xenophobia - hitler didn't make the disenfranchaised germans hate the jews (and gypsies and all non-aryans), he just gave voice to their discontent.
> Trump has of course made some pretty nasty comments, but I think that in actual practice, he'd end up being a bit more thoughtful.
Read this:
A sophisticated politician credited Hitler with peculiar political cleverness for laying emphasis and over-emphasis on anti-Semitism, saying: "You can't expect the masses to understand or appreciate your finer real aims. You must feed the masses with cruder morsels and ideas like anti-Semitism. It would be politically all wrong to tell them the truth about where you really are leading them.
New York Times, 1922 [nytimes.com]
Funny how similar that sounds, no?
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Monday March 07 2016, @06:17AM
Pogroms in Germany and Eastern Europe were common long before Hitler. Secondly, if you are going to tell me that Trump is Hitler, show me his Mein Kampf.
Does he say stupid shit about waterboarding? Yeah. Are Bush and Cheney Hitler because they actually did it you know? Is Obama Hitler for excusing all of that with his "look forward not backward" horseshit? Is HRC who actively destabilized Libya so that all kinds of people could die, a Hitler? The Hitlerishness of any of these four I've mentioned is much higher than Trump who has not publicly cackled at killing someone or lied to start a war or drone bombed half the planet.
So really, the Establishment has godwinned itself with this. You lose. Fuck off.
(no I'm not a Trump voter -- no chance of that (Bernie if he makes it, Jill Stein otherwise) -- but it is blindingly obvious that the GOP establishment is shitting its pants and screaming any smear it can because the basis of its power, like that of the DNC's, is eviscerating the American job market so that 0.1% can continue to ridiculously prosper on the backs of everyone else and buy themselves some good little government officials.)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 07 2016, @03:10PM
Mein Kampf was published in 1925, 3 years after that NY times article. There were pogroms in russia and other states too but no hitler there. Meanwhile islamaphobia is growing problem in the US. Something like 70% of republicans and 40% of democrats believe islam is incompatible with american values. History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Monday March 07 2016, @03:20PM
Something like 70% of republicans and 40% of democrats believe islam is incompatible with american values.
To be fair, the terrorists have been doing their best to convince us of this same point with their "America the Great Satan" talk etc.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Sunday March 06 2016, @11:32PM
Okay, so far we've got Flamebait, Troll, Interesting, Funny, and Disagree on the parent post.
We still need Insightful, Informative, Touché, Underrated, Overrated, Offtopic, and Redundant to get the full set.
Come on people, Mod parent something!
No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
(Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Sunday March 06 2016, @09:06PM
Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 06 2016, @01:23PM
So is it H1-B or H-1B?
(Score: 2, Funny) by bitstream on Sunday March 06 2016, @01:31PM
It depends on the number of months before election day :P
Moon phase based decisions has been phased out. ;-)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 06 2016, @06:26PM
BTW that answers the editor's question about the addendum.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 06 2016, @07:15PM
But it's spelled both ways in the first submission too...
(Score: 2) by darkfeline on Sunday March 06 2016, @10:21PM
HIV. The entire thing is an old joke blown way out of proportion.
Join the SDF Public Access UNIX System today!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 07 2016, @12:18AM
Neither. It's H-lB or Hl-B
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 07 2016, @12:20AM
// Job Security, yes I actually have a codebase where I use this for the stated purpose...
#define l 0
#define O 1
(Score: 3, Insightful) by bitstream on Sunday March 06 2016, @01:28PM
The puppeteers can't have a marionette candidate that wrecks their wealth building. Now how would that look!?? :P
Watch the attitude adjustment in real time. :-)
LART = Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool
MPRT = Marionette Policy Reprogramming Tool
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 06 2016, @01:32PM
First thing we do after our Great Recession is have a regression to before the Great Depression. Get rid of everything that liberal commie FDR ever did. America does not need a New Deal. America should belong to old rich white landowners, just like Trump and every voter who will vote for Trump. Because that is how elections work in Merica. You vote for what you are.
(Score: 1) by bitstream on Sunday March 06 2016, @01:36PM
Seems like the way of the feature. I heard many African countries found the model to be the path to success.. ;)
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 06 2016, @03:28PM
Because that is how elections work in Merica. You vote for what you are.
Isn't America more of a "you vote for what you want to be"?
"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." -- John Steinbeck
Americans believe they're gonna be millionaires in a few years, so they don't support anything that even slightly inconveniences millionaires.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday March 06 2016, @01:45PM
learn from the maestri
1. wait till you get elected
2. focus on the made up emergency of the day
3. towards the end of the term reiterate empty promises
Account abandoned.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by q.kontinuum on Sunday March 06 2016, @02:05PM
After rolling up the field from the far-right wing, he's now trying to appear a bit more moderate to prevent boycott from moderate republicans. How original...
Registered IRC nick on chat.soylentnews.org: qkontinuum
(Score: 2) by Hyperturtle on Monday March 07 2016, @12:30AM
It is moderate to change views and endorse outsourcing American jobs as part of the plan to Make America Great Again?
I am not sure if I can even imagine how America would be great, ever, if the regular approach to prosperity is to eliminate the 99%'s ability to make a living and (and then strip away their ability to get health care.)
Perhaps not all 99%, but IT people like me have certainly seen it where it takes 5 foreign nationals to replace one costly white guy who's only crime was to be at the same employer too long out of loyalty. And it saves money!
I guess I am out of touch.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Demose on Sunday March 06 2016, @02:35PM
When a large amount of technically skilled people can't find jobs they're going to be much more inclined to create and release their work without corporate interference. Faced with creation becoming a private affair politicians will (eventually) become unable to claim that they need to make laws favoring corporations to boost the economy and innovation. Not much of a consolation prize in the short term, but in the long term it would do a lot to remove corporate influence in the U.S. legal system.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 06 2016, @03:35PM
Trump seems to alter stance on everything, just like most politicians in general. Nothing new here folks, move along.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 06 2016, @04:16PM
Trump doesn't have any stances he could alter. He literally blurts out whatever pops into his mind at this moment regardless of any previous utterance regarding the same topic.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday March 06 2016, @04:24PM
When Hillary about-faces on any given issue, the MSM announces that she has "pivoted". So, Hillary is the pivot woman, Trump is the pivot man. I guess it's a matter of taste, which circle jerk you wish to join. I think they're both butt-ugly, so I'll abstain. Rosy, you're alright.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 07 2016, @01:37AM
Just reported today by the Daily News. The couple featured in the story lost their $240K down payment on a condo in "Trump Ocean Resort Baja", which was never built.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-land-deal-nightmare-gop-voters-warned-buyer-beware-article-1.2554234 [nydailynews.com]
"A spokesman for the Trump Organization pointed out that investors in the project, as well as the project’s developers themselves, should have all understood the risks incurred in a real estate project when they signed their contracts."
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Let's Make America GREAT Again!
(Score: 1) by TheSouthernDandy on Monday March 07 2016, @06:13PM