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posted by cmn32480 on Monday March 21 2016, @07:37AM   Printer-friendly
from the contain-your-surprise dept.

Tom Warren at The Verge reports that Microsoft has once again broken its promise to upgrade Windows Phones. From the article:

Microsoft has screwed up its Windows Phone upgrades once again. While the software maker promised that all Lumia Windows Phone 8 devices would be upgraded to Windows 10, it's breaking that promise. Microsoft started rolling out Windows 10 Mobile to existing Lumia devices this week, and revealed that handsets like the Lumia 920 and Lumia 1020 will be stuck on Windows Phone 8.

[...] Windows Phone fans aren't necessarily angry at the lack of upgrade for their chosen devices, it's more the broken promises. Windows Phone 7 handsets were never upgraded to Windows Phone 8, and Microsoft set the expectation this time that history wouldn't repeat itself. Another broken promise is bad news for a mobile operating system that is practically dead, and once again Microsoft has angered its small but loyal base of Windows Phone users.


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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by davester666 on Monday March 21 2016, @08:04AM

    by davester666 (155) on Monday March 21 2016, @08:04AM (#321021)

    registered their strong disappointment at this turn of events at a recent shareholders meeting. one threw a chair and the other made a threat "just wait till you all come up for reelection to the board of Microsoft"

  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 21 2016, @08:06AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 21 2016, @08:06AM (#321022)

    TFT should read
    Microsoft Breaks <fullstop>.

    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday March 21 2016, @05:22PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday March 21 2016, @05:22PM (#321157) Journal

      That implies that it worked at some point in the past...

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 21 2016, @05:35PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 21 2016, @05:35PM (#321161)

        Windows 2000/XP/2003 i.e. NT 5.x era?

      • (Score: 2) by Marand on Monday March 21 2016, @06:14PM

        by Marand (1081) on Monday March 21 2016, @06:14PM (#321173) Journal

        It did until 2007 [wikipedia.org]

  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 21 2016, @08:12AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 21 2016, @08:12AM (#321024)

    n/t

    • (Score: 2) by bitstream on Monday March 21 2016, @02:00PM

      by bitstream (6144) on Monday March 21 2016, @02:00PM (#321086) Journal

      My thought too. Would any (sane) windows mobile phone user actually want W10 on their phone? ;-)

      • (Score: 2) by tibman on Monday March 21 2016, @02:34PM

        by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 21 2016, @02:34PM (#321100)

        Only if you care about getting updates (security fixes hopefully). I don't think their phones have had a major update in a year and a half? I had their WP 6 and 7. Both abandoned by Microsoft before i could even get comfortable with the phone. Buying a windows phone is only good for people who get a new phone every year. Lumia hardware looked great too (1020, looking at you). Balmer somehow convinced Elop(Nokia CEO and seemingly MS plant?) to choose windows as their phone OS. About the time i heard Nokia were finally putting android on it Microsoft bought Nokia and killed it.

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        • (Score: 2, Interesting) by bitstream on Monday March 21 2016, @03:20PM

          by bitstream (6144) on Monday March 21 2016, @03:20PM (#321115) Journal

          Is the Windows Phone hardware capable of any free operating system like CyanogenMod or Replicant?

          Does Nokia have any capability to grow and make phones or software anymore?
          I found them incredibly reliable. Nokia hardware with above OSs would be a killer.

          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 22 2016, @12:07AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 22 2016, @12:07AM (#321339)

            > Is the Windows Phone hardware capable of any free operating system like CyanogenMod or Replicant?

            Reportedly, someone managed to run Android on a Lumia 830. Microsoft has issued an update to prevent that.

            http://www.techtimes.com/articles/88942/20150928/latest-microsoft-security-patch-covers-loophole-that-allows-android-to-run-on-windows-10.htm [techtimes.com]

            > Does Nokia have any capability to grow and make phones or software anymore?

            They were prohibited from using the Nokia name on such phones until 31 December 2015.

            https://www.theverge.com/2013/9/3/4688888/there-will-never-be-another-nokia-smartphone [theverge.com]

            • (Score: 2) by bitstream on Tuesday March 22 2016, @05:16AM

              by bitstream (6144) on Tuesday March 22 2016, @05:16AM (#321426) Journal

              Perhaps Microsoft could be charged with market corruption locally? Thus allowing people to legally bypass that shit and sue Microsoft on top for invasion of property rights. Anyway it should mean that Lumia phones could be sold with Android and other operating systems unmodified.

              2015-12-31 Has passed so that hindrance is gone. The clincher is patents and being able to use specific techniques, developing, manufacture, marketing and sales. I would specifically look at patents and competent personnel as the key to reboot the phone business.

  • (Score: 4, Funny) by Gravis on Monday March 21 2016, @08:16AM

    by Gravis (4596) on Monday March 21 2016, @08:16AM (#321025)

    i wonder what the other customer thinks of the upgrade. ;)

    • (Score: 2) by Webweasel on Monday March 21 2016, @11:54AM

      by Webweasel (567) on Monday March 21 2016, @11:54AM (#321051) Homepage Journal

      I don't give a shit about windows 10.

      What I'd like is an app store thats not full of scamware.

      C'mon MS. You want this "Universal platform" and the revenue from your walled garden store, but its more dangerous in the garden then outside of it!

      Perhaps that's the joke. Garden is an anagram of danger....

      Yes, so my win 8 phone is a POS, I regret buying it.

      (Still love my Zune though, at least that plays of the HD instead of trying to stream Xbox music despite the track being on the SD card in the phone)

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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by Arik on Monday March 21 2016, @08:35AM

    by Arik (4543) on Monday March 21 2016, @08:35AM (#321029) Journal
    "Another broken promise is bad news for a mobile operating system that is practically dead, and once again Microsoft has angered its small but loyal base of Windows Phone users."

    I really doubt that. Any 'loyal base of Windows Phone users' that might exist must logically consist of masochists, who enjoy this treatment, and count on it. So I really doubt this made anyone angry.
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    • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Monday March 21 2016, @11:48PM

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Monday March 21 2016, @11:48PM (#321333)

      I doubted the "Loyal base of Windows phone users" bit too, but my experience of Windows phone users is very limited, (surprise).

      My sister owned a Windows phone, she bought it because the sales guy told her it was "the latest model", when it was an 18 month old Lumia.
      She thought it was great, and to be fair it did work pretty well, but then I showed her the Vodafone app I use to top up and manage my plan, and the banking app I use, neither of which are ever going to happen on Win Phone.

      She's got a pretty nice Android phone now.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by ThePhilips on Monday March 21 2016, @09:36AM

    by ThePhilips (5677) on Monday March 21 2016, @09:36AM (#321035)

    They have declared the promise more as a marketing ploy to display advantage over Android.

    First time they have failed to uphold the promise was literally months after they have made the declaration.

    Now, "the most important Windows" update is not available too.

    Considering how they are failing, IMO, they should just stop promising.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 21 2016, @11:01AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 21 2016, @11:01AM (#321048)

      They should, but have politicians stopped making promises? No and never will. Same with corporations.

      • (Score: 2) by ThePhilips on Monday March 21 2016, @11:14AM

        by ThePhilips (5677) on Monday March 21 2016, @11:14AM (#321050)

        To give some credit to the politicians, their promises usually hold until they win elections.

        MS' promise hasn't lived even till an uptick in the market, least till a major market share.

    • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Monday March 21 2016, @03:19PM

      by Whoever (4524) on Monday March 21 2016, @03:19PM (#321114) Journal

      They have declared the promise more as a marketing ploy to display advantage over Android.

      This is SOP for Microsoft. It's part of their competition toolkit. How many times has Microsoft promised capabilities to challenge Linux (as a server) yet never delivered (or delivered late and only partially working)?

    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 22 2016, @01:06AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 22 2016, @01:06AM (#321357)
      The world's most promising company: Microsoft.
  • (Score: 5, Touché) by patrick on Monday March 21 2016, @09:42AM

    by patrick (3990) on Monday March 21 2016, @09:42AM (#321036)

    Microsoft has angered its small but loyal base of Windows Phone users.

    He'll get over it.

    • (Score: 4, Funny) by julian on Monday March 21 2016, @03:30PM

      by julian (6003) on Monday March 21 2016, @03:30PM (#321124)

      Indeed, Paul Thurrott's Stockholm Syndrome for MS is limitless.

      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 21 2016, @04:11PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 21 2016, @04:11PM (#321139)

        What about Ballmer and Nutella? Or did even both of them switch away from Windows phones as well?

      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 21 2016, @06:19PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 21 2016, @06:19PM (#321176)

        No, even Paul Thurrott has thrown in the towel on Windows Phone [thurrott.com]:

        I’ve been preaching common sense and honesty in all things tech for years, but when something you love comes under fire, you tend to take things a bit more personally. Buck up, Windows phone fans. For now at least, you can of course continue using your favorite smart phone, while Microsoft figures out what to do next in mobile. Or you can simply move on.

        To be clear, Windows phone is dead. Or, more aptly, Windows phone is a zombie, the walking dead: As I’ve been noting since last July when Microsoft capitulated the smart phone market to Android and iPhone, the money-losing and unpopular Windows phone is being is being kept in the market only artificially, and with vastly reduced resources, so that Microsoft can figure out what to do next. (And this is not semantics. If Microsoft didn’t have near limitless financial resources and many successful products, Windows phone would have been put out to pasture long ago.)

        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 21 2016, @07:47PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 21 2016, @07:47PM (#321220)

          Now it's just Chair chucker and Nutella?

  • (Score: 2) by coolgopher on Monday March 21 2016, @12:05PM

    by coolgopher (1157) on Monday March 21 2016, @12:05PM (#321053)

    Last I checked, this "upgrade" really seemed to be a downgrade in many areas in particular related to Cortana. Inability for Cortana to call up phone-local items (e.g. settings) as well as breaking the Hey Cortana feature makes me *not* want this upgrade. Cortana was a big selling point for me when I got my Lumia (well, that and the fact I don't like the iCripple and can't stand the (mal|ad)ware commonly referred to as Android). I was even keen enough to get in on the WP10 beta to see if I could get Cortana even more functional. Back then I accepted that hey, it's a beta, things won't be all ready yet. Seeing that state carry over into the actual release is disappointing to say the least. I still reckon Cortana holds a lot of promise, I just wish she'd get some more love from the integration team.

    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 21 2016, @12:17PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 21 2016, @12:17PM (#321057)
      How cute that you think that WP10 is not (mal|ad)ware every bit as much as Android is when Windows 10 Desktop appears to be even worse in this respect. And now whereas Android did lade you with a heavy yoke, I, Windows 10, will add to your yoke: Android hath chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions!
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 21 2016, @01:32PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 21 2016, @01:32PM (#321069)

      You actually used a MS beta product? That is a brave soul you are. They usually break more than they fix.

      MS can make good software. However, their beta software is just that, beta. It is not ready for anything.

      I may try their stuff out or work out a couple of issues on their beta software. But never use it for real. It is a lesson I learned during windows 95. I ended up with software that did not work properly. I had to removed several features (rather minor cosmetic ones) due to the fact entire APIs just 'went away'. Cost me a about 1-2 weeks of work and 2-3 days of removal time.

      For me the 'big feature' they borked up was media player. I actually liked it. It was one of the few players out there that did very good with cataloging and editing meta data at the same time with a nice interface. Then windows 7 came out... The still have not fixed it corrupting mp3s in a particular way. Despite the detailed bug report and video to reproduce the issue.

  • (Score: 2) by iamjacksusername on Monday March 21 2016, @07:06PM

    by iamjacksusername (1479) on Monday March 21 2016, @07:06PM (#321200)

    If you have one of these models from a carrier that you purchased under contract, I would absolutely return it and ask for an exchange for an equivalent device. It should not change your contract length as Microsoft "broke" the device - e.g., the device was advertised with certain capabilities and now those have been removed. You would have an excellent case to be able to exchange it for a similar device without affecting your cellular contract.

    You need to vote with your wallet.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 21 2016, @09:40PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 21 2016, @09:40PM (#321272)

      Hahaha +5 funny.