Stories
Slash Boxes
Comments

SoylentNews is people

posted by cmn32480 on Wednesday May 04 2016, @06:29AM   Printer-friendly
from the you-don't-say dept.

https://www.baekdal.com/analysis/the-increasing-problem-with-the-misinformed

The 'experts' used by the media are less truthful than the politicians. And you are giving them a voice? No wonder people don't trust the news anymore.

You have to be much more than just average news. You have to be a source of amazing news and unique news

But isn't that why many lost credibility? ;-)


Original Submission

This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.
Display Options Threshold/Breakthrough Mark All as Read Mark All as Unread
The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.
  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by mhajicek on Wednesday May 04 2016, @06:32AM

    by mhajicek (51) on Wednesday May 04 2016, @06:32AM (#341302)

    That's what happens when marketing runs the show.

    --
    The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
    • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Wednesday May 04 2016, @06:45AM

      by MostCynical (2589) on Wednesday May 04 2016, @06:45AM (#341305) Journal

      http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/09/07/fairfax-journos-to-be-given-click-reports/ [crikey.com.au]

      http://mumbrella.com.au/fairfax-subs-pagemasters-jobs-346976 [mumbrella.com.au]

      These are just Australian examples.
      Most media companies are focusing on online content, with print coming a distant last in priorities.
      Often, subscribers feel short-changed, and cancel print subscriptions.

      And so the race to the bottom (online only news media company) begins.

      --
      "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday May 04 2016, @07:34AM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 04 2016, @07:34AM (#341327) Journal

        To be fair, Fairfax is in its deaththroes anyhow, no matter what they'll do.

        A bad augur seems to show on crikey page, though: "Crikey is in public beta." and an (for the moment, empty) "Advertisement" on top of the pages.

        --
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
        • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Wednesday May 04 2016, @08:34AM

          by MostCynical (2589) on Wednesday May 04 2016, @08:34AM (#341348) Journal

          Was wondering how the new editor would justify themselves..
          If it is locally-hosted content, with no scripting, I'll probably keep up my subscription.

          --
          "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04 2016, @07:13AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04 2016, @07:13AM (#341321)

      Exactly. Once the "News Division" - a traditional loss leader - became part of the "Entrertainment Division" the end was in sight.

    • (Score: 2) by davester666 on Wednesday May 04 2016, @08:04AM

      by davester666 (155) on Wednesday May 04 2016, @08:04AM (#341339)

      It's not news. It's "Infotainment".

    • (Score: 2) by TheRaven on Wednesday May 04 2016, @10:26AM

      by TheRaven (270) on Wednesday May 04 2016, @10:26AM (#341383) Journal
      It's not just that. Even when the intentions are good, the journalists are typically people with Media or English degrees. How many of them have a hard science background that allows them to really understand how to apply statistics?
      --
      sudo mod me up
      • (Score: 2) by Alfred on Wednesday May 04 2016, @01:21PM

        by Alfred (4006) on Wednesday May 04 2016, @01:21PM (#341427) Journal
        Most engineers have problems appropriately applying statistics.

        If was to guess I would say 72% of engineers with an 85% CI.
      • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday May 05 2016, @04:05AM

        by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday May 05 2016, @04:05AM (#341904)

        I'm not even sure how they got their Media or English degree.
        Last night I heard a TV news person pronounce Greenwich (gren-ich) as Green-Wich. What an idiot.
        On the same report one of the Sports reporters mispronounced the name of the Manchester United manager.
        I had assumed that someone posing as a sports reporter would have some specialist knowledge, but apparently not.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by c0lo on Wednesday May 04 2016, @06:48AM

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 04 2016, @06:48AM (#341307) Journal

    You have to be a source of amazing news and unique news

    I prefer to have my news real and relevant, thanks. Why do you think I'm on S/N?

    --
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
    • (Score: 5, Funny) by Gravis on Wednesday May 04 2016, @07:00AM

      by Gravis (4596) on Wednesday May 04 2016, @07:00AM (#341313)

      Why do you think I'm on S/N?

      for the unicode commenting? o(〃^▽^〃)o

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by MostCynical on Wednesday May 04 2016, @07:20AM

      by MostCynical (2589) on Wednesday May 04 2016, @07:20AM (#341325) Journal

      Masochism?

      --
      "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
    • (Score: 2) by JNCF on Wednesday May 04 2016, @04:42PM

      by JNCF (4317) on Wednesday May 04 2016, @04:42PM (#341523) Journal

      An unhealthy mix of ethanol fueled race baiting, Millenials calling for censorship of the comments, and anonymous cowards complaining that their incoherent click-baity submissions don't get accepted?

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday May 04 2016, @09:03PM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 04 2016, @09:03PM (#341718) Journal

        The noise/signal ratio is still less than on other news sites.

        --
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
  • (Score: 2) by b0ru on Wednesday May 04 2016, @07:43AM

    by b0ru (6054) on Wednesday May 04 2016, @07:43AM (#341330)

    An article written about 'news' items on twitter. How on Earth does any of this count as journalism these days?

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Vanderhoth on Wednesday May 04 2016, @10:23AM

      by Vanderhoth (61) on Wednesday May 04 2016, @10:23AM (#341380)

      Yeah, that really gets under my skin. It's all clickbait trash now. Some articles on CBC.ca are nothing except the journalist stating something irrelevant as fact, then going on to twitter to find tweets that get taken completely out of context to support whatever bullshit they're making up. Half the time if I follow up with the tweets they claim support their statements the conversation isn't even related or is some troll that's just looking to get riled up.

      You want to know why trolls thrive on the internet? It's because people keep giving them attention, and the Main Stream Media has become one of the worst offenders of that. Whole stories are written with single sources that come from a person making some joke tweet that happened to scroll past a journalist while they were looking for their next BS clickbait topic to write about.

      What's worse is one will write a stupid story based on hearsay, then others will use that crap article as the basis to write other crap articles and no one bothers going to even check on the source or their story, then when it gets proven to be false they either ignore it altogether and pretend it never happened or they double down and find some other source that will say what they want.

      If anyone is truly wondering why people don't trust the news, they need their brains squeezed back in through their ears because there's just so many reasons you'd need an encyclopedia to list all the shit they're doing or gotten wrong.

      --
      "Now we know", "And knowing is half the battle". -G.I. Joooooe
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04 2016, @10:32AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04 2016, @10:32AM (#341384)

      An article written about 'news' items on twitter. How on Earth does any of this count as journalism these days?

      You read it here first! Twitter's newsworthiness questioned by Internet experts!

      That's how it gets labeled as journalism.

  • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Wednesday May 04 2016, @01:32PM

    by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Wednesday May 04 2016, @01:32PM (#341436) Homepage Journal

    It will be in Random Scribblings, the book I'm releasing June 19:

    Mainstream reporters are fraggin' ignorant
    U.S. educators aren't much smarter
            Ignorant or just evilly apathetic to the damage they cause? Both?
            As I write this, yesterday was Chernobyl (AKA CIH) day. As I was uploading the Fragfest yesterday, my wife had the local news on in the kitchen. “You have to run your antivirus software today,” she said.
            “I ran it yesterday, we're clean.”
            “No, the lady on TV said you have to run it today.”
            I explained how you had to have downloaded and run an executable to catch CIH, and it was too late if you had the virus anyway; the PC wouldn't have worked.
            “No, they said you get it in your email! You got lots of email today!”
            The TV lady was obviously confusing CIH with Mellissa, which I can't catch since I use neither Outlook Express nor Word. I tried to explain this to Becky. “No, she said anybody can catch it.”
            In exasperation, I replied “What the [expletative] does some damned TV news anchor know, anyway?”
            “No, she's not the news guy, she's a computer expert.”
            Yeah, and I'm the fraggin' king of France. An “expert” whose credentials were never given is spreading misinformation about computer viruses! Of course, even though I've read a shelf of books about computer viruses, taken loads of college level computer courses, built PCs from scratch using spare parts, programmed in hand coded assembly, successfully supported users via email about hardware and drivers I haven't seen, and my paycheck comes from my EDP skills, I'm not an expert. You see, I'm not on TV. What's makes me less of an expert is she not only knows me, she's married to me.
            Later in the evening I stopped the remote at CNN while channel surfing. There were the tearful funerals, followed by nameless men and women in business suits at desks in front of bookshelves. Wow, suits, desks, and books, these people must really know what they're talking about. All were decrying the violence in videogames. Long, bloody shots of Doom, Duke Nuken, Quake, and Quake 2 were shown. Snuck in while the games were being splashed (literally) on the screen was a one sentence voice over, very easy to miss, that stated that scientifically controlled studies had shown that violent games had no effect on anybody, adolescent or adult. The announcer then came on with more interviews of nameless, non-credentialed suits saying how the games' ratings need to be better and how parents should be careful what games they let their kids play.
            Meanwhile, the idiots who teach our kids are mandating counseling for any high school student who has ever played Quake or Doom, outlawing black or long coats, and suspending kids for having a nail file while doing nothing whatsoever about the kids who are giving kids with PCs, brains, or unconventional views hell. In fact, according to some kids who wrote to slashdot, they are encouraging the shallow preppie conformists to give them (you?) hell.
            They have instituted a strict dress code at my daughter's school; half of her clothes are now either too loose or too tight. She says they've even banned a lot of speech at her school. So much for teaching kids the constitution!
            What a bunch of dangerous morons. No wonder the world is going to “hell in a handbasket”, as my Grandpa used to say before he was killed in an industrial accident. Speaking of industrial accidents, they kill about five times as many men in the U.S. as intentional violence. Car crashes kill about triple as many as intentional violence. More minors die here from playing with matches than guns, about 3 times as many.
            Yeah, lets outlaw guns, then there won't be any, just like there isn't any cocaine. Yeah, that's the ticket. Doesn't matter that legal firearms are almost never used in crime, like the Crips and Bloods get their Ouzis from the local gun shop, like Gangstas hold FOI cards. (As a slight disclaimer, I have to add that I don't own a firearm, although I did quite a bit of hunting with my dad when I was a kid.)
            Which brings us to that other bugaboo, drugs. Thank God none were found in or on those kids, or there would be the Reagonish war on drugs (which begat crack cocaine) heating up again with its concurrent rise in violent crime.
            Of course, the one kid should have had drugs in his bloodstream – he was being treated and medicated by a psychiatrist for mental disorders. Why the hell isn't that damned quack losing his shrink license?
            Come to think of it, our politicos aren't any smarter than the dolts anchoring the TV news or the morons teaching our kids. God help us all!
            PS: ya got the 6a11z to post this at yer school? NOT a good idea...

    • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Wednesday May 04 2016, @05:48PM

      by maxwell demon (1608) on Wednesday May 04 2016, @05:48PM (#341568) Journal

      Of course, the one kid should have had drugs in his bloodstream – he was being treated and medicated by a psychiatrist for mental disorders. Why the hell isn't that damned quack losing his shrink license?

      So you are a psychiatry expert who can not only diagnose from seeing a short clip on TV that the kid did not have any mental disorder, but you additionally have the ability to identify as quack a psychiatrist you know nothing about than that they have treated that one kid for mental disorder.

      It's quite interesting that you do exactly the same thing here that you previously accused the media for.

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  • (Score: 2) by bitstream on Wednesday May 04 2016, @10:07PM

    by bitstream (6144) on Wednesday May 04 2016, @10:07PM (#341780) Journal

    Where distribution and reach has essential no barrier to entry. Being the better choice will be about competence. Of course there will always be a big crowd that have no better ability in making sound choices than ending up with McDonalds.