from the I-can't-heeeeeeeaaaaaar-yooooouuuuuuuuu dept.
If you live in Waco, Texas, your neighbor maneuvering a gas lawn mower in the middle of the night likely wouldn't violate the decibel limit, which is eight times louder than the typical nighttime limit in the United States.
The large difference is just one example of the diversity of laws regulating noise throughout the United States. The Noise Pollution Clearinghouse, a national non-profit based in Vermont that gathers noise related resources and advocates for quieter public spaces, has now compiled a database of noise ordinances for nearly 500 of the largest communities in the U.S. The goal is to make it easier for researchers and lawmakers to understand what regulations exist and which ones work the best.
"I've analyzed ordinances from 491 communities so far," said Les Blomberg, executive director of the Noise Pollution Clearinghouse. He will present his database at the 171st meeting of the Acoustical Society of America, held May 23-27 in Salt Lake City, by which time he hopes to have gotten up to at least 500 communities.
Noise pollution doesn't get much press in modern society, but it does affect many citizens. In New York City, for example, noise complaints are among top calls to the 311 city information line. Even in rural places, semi-trucks' "jake brakes" can shatter the supposed peace and quiet.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 24 2016, @10:42PM
Or assholes a few houses over running loud ghetto sounding bass setups in their fancy auto show cars to test them out before the big day for hours at a time?
Noise pollution is a fact of life and a slippery slope. It is all a matter of the compromises you are willing to make, and your perspective.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 24 2016, @11:44PM
Had racer 3 doors up. Testing his HEMI w/ Blower oiut. Then the modified mini tractors down one block over.... This is in a gated golfer community.
We only use electric mowers to keep the noise down. Amd we have 6 police officers living within the 2 blocks. ARGH.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 25 2016, @01:16AM
The little kids I don't mind. Humanity going on. As long as there are little kids we might just make it.
Now, the ghetto blasting I do mind. Drives me up the wall since all I can hear is the bass line and mostly the car's panels buzzing. I always hope that a ghetto blaster will encounter at high speed a structural failure caused by resonant motion....
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 24 2016, @10:44PM
Those crafty rednecks keep telling us about the quiet life of the country, but it's all a lie. Them and their "supposed" peace and quiet.
(Score: 2) by damnbunni on Tuesday May 24 2016, @10:54PM
If you see a sign that says 'no jake brakes', notify Jacobs. Those signs are illegal.
A properly tuned compression brake doesn't make noise.
Companies other than Jacobs make engine compression brakes.
And Jacobs makes brakes that aren't engine compression brakes.
In fact, it's entirely possible for a truck to have nothing but brakes from Jacobs, in which case how the hell are you supposed to slow down without using 'jake brakes'?
(Score: 3, Informative) by LoRdTAW on Tuesday May 24 2016, @11:14PM
Jacobs Vehicle Systems does not manufacture foundation brakes. Foundation brakes are the regular brakes we think of on each wheel end, e.g. disc or drum brakes.
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Tuesday May 24 2016, @11:25PM
to point number 2: ALL compression braking systems are far far louder than 'ordinary' disc or drum brakes.
the sound of compression braking can travel a very long way in 'quiet of the night'.
Unfortunately, very loud trucks/cars/motorbikes/helicopters are often a very long way away, when local enforcement arrives (if they don't fob you off and say it is the local council's problem, and are willing to drive out and investigate in the first place)
Several race tracks have suffered from urban creep and ended up having sound meters installed on the tracks. Usually, one meter per track.
For a while, cars raving there had to swap the exhaust direction to point 'away' from the side of the track the meter was on. In some cases, this made the noise worse for those near the track.
Eventually, though, the race tracks have almost all become suburbs (sometimes with streets (un-ironically) named after parts of the track, or famous drivers)
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 24 2016, @11:52PM
The Peterbilt truck I drive everyday is is louder while jakebraking, but not as loud as if it would be if I just downshifted and accelerated. Does that make sense? Jakebraking is quieter than accelerating. Trucks with straight pipes are loud while jakebraking. So the lack of a muffler is the problem, not the engine brake.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 25 2016, @01:53AM
Exactly right. From the factory, a new truck with Jake brakes is very quiet. Stock mufflers, stock everything - you can brake to your heart's content, and no one is any the wiser. Drive the truck a couple million miles, and the mufflers begin to deteriorate, the jake brakes begin to get a little noisy - but they still don't wake up old women thirty miles away.
Insecure men who need to be seen and heard tend to remove the mufflers, install 12 inch straight pipes in their place, set that jake brake to maximum compression, then spend their time accelerating (pointlessly) just to lift their foot off of the accelerator to hear those straight pipes rumble. Stupid, stupid, stupid. It's little different than young idiots who cut the mufflers out of cars, and install a monster resonator. The effect can be cool, but it's usually overdone, and damned annoying.
One of the most dangerous kind of truck driver on the road, is the idiot who tailgates you, repeatedly accelerating, then letting the jake brake rumble, trying to tell you that he's in a hurry, and you're holding him up. Immature idiot never should have been allowed to get a driver's license, let alone a CDL. I've turned a couple of those in to their companies.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 25 2016, @05:27PM
The ones I laugh at are the coal rollers [wikipedia.org]. Nothing like paying hundreds or thousands of dollars to spend more on gas. One of our neighbors was complaining about how often he filled up his son's truck. I mentioned how this kills the gas mileage, so we looked it up and the truck was getting between a half and two thirds of its EPA gas mileage. His son didn't think it was so cool when dad switched to only paying for every other fill up. And, I got cleaner air to boot.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 25 2016, @01:22AM
Some more info. The truck I used to drive had a loud and a quiet mode for jake brakes. The quiet mode was probably acceptable but never quite helped with mountain descents.
Face it. "Jake brake" has become trucker vernacular for engine compression braking. If I remember, pretty much all of the signs I encountered forbade engine compression braking, not "jake brakes."
It does still irritate me to no end when I hear some driver's jake brakes out here where it's nothing but flat farmland. It's like, "FFS, have the common fucking courtesy to flick the damned switch to turn that shit off! Drive another thousand miles that way and then you'll need them!"
(Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 25 2016, @02:00AM
All the Jake brakes I ever used had a selector, with three positions. The "quiet mode" only engaged two cylinders for braking, the middle position used 4 cylinders, and the maximum position used all six cylinders. While that is useful for controlling the noise level in a noisy truck, that isn't the real purpose of the selector. Going down a mild downgrade, that is a couple miles long, you might set the brake on it's lowest setting. A slightly steeper hill, put it in the middle position. For a real downgrade, maximum.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Tork on Tuesday May 24 2016, @10:58PM
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(Score: 1) by anubi on Wednesday May 25 2016, @03:58AM
The police helicopters are the ones that drive me nuts too. A nearby stadium lets them practice takeoffs and landings in their parking lot.
So they make lots of loops, and are at low elevation when they pass over the residences nearby.
I wonder how they would handle it if the homeowners ganged up, bought motorcycles, and circled the helicopter pilot's house?
I would love to see this in a courtroom:
"Your honor, these guys are circling my house at 2AM in loud motorcycles only because I am flying my big police helicopter over their houses at 2AM. Please order them to stop it, but protect my right to take my big heavy machine and annoy the hell out of them!"
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday May 25 2016, @11:07AM
I think that's a great response and an approach that should be more widely applied: give the high and mighty a real and lasting taste of their own medicine. Imagine telemarketers having people harass them with calls.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1) by anubi on Thursday May 26 2016, @07:42AM
I think that's the purpose of those "Dial-A-Head" machines.
Those machines relentlessly dial one number after another, screening speech patterns for a human head on the other end, queueing them up so the telemarketer doesn't waste any time getting to the next person gullible enough to stay on the line.
Once one of those machines logs your number as one answered by a human head, rather than an answering machine, prepare to receive no end of automated calls.
You know you are on their list when you start receiving a helluva lot of calls and no one is there. The machine has dialed you, you have answered, but the human telemarketer hasn't finished his previous call and isn't ready for you yet. The machine goes on, relentlessly dialing head after head, and precious telemarketer time is conserved by having an endless supply of heads awaiting his telemarketing message.
Somehow, some humans still think they have to answer their phones personally.
While a lot of us are turning to whitelists, blacklists, and answering machines...
Whitelist: You take the call personally.
Blacklist: You completely ignore the call. It does not make a sound. It does not answer. From the telemarketer's end, it just seems to ring and ring and ring and go nowhere.
Neither: It gets routed to answering machine. When you review the call, you do nothing, add to whitelist, or add to blacklist.
Once blacklisted, you never hear from them again. They can't even leave a message.
And hopefully, when internet databases spring up to share blacklists, telemarketers will soon run out of shared numbers that haven't been wised up on. Once a business has his number on blacklists, he will now have to get in contact some other way than the phone to persuade his customer to delete his blacklisting.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 2) by GungnirSniper on Tuesday May 24 2016, @11:04PM
What about the construction crews starting bright and early at 7AM, or the yard sale people who begin before 9AM?
Really, this sounds like a law in search of a rare or transient problem.
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(Score: 2, Disagree) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 25 2016, @02:04AM
Construction crews should be able to start work at 7:00. People are already awake, getting ready for school or work, if they haven't already left the house. Some places have ordinances that work can't start before 8:00, and I say that is stupid. Especially in the winter months, when the daylight hours are short. When I was in business, I always started work within 1/2 hour after the horizon lit up. If the sun is actually shining on you when you pick your tools up, you've wasted valuable daylight.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Wednesday May 25 2016, @02:36AM
Or they just put their tools down an hour or so ago and are hoping for some sleep or they were up all night with the baby and hoping it'll sleep for an hour or two at least...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 25 2016, @02:47AM
This is life, sorry. If you live in a neighborhood under development, get used to it, because it's going to last awhile. If your neighborhood has suffered storm damage, you're gonna have to live with it. Life happens. The baby will go to sleep when he's ready, and he don't give a damn about your desires, or the noise levels. If you're tired enough, you'll fall asleep despite the noise levels.
For two and a half years, my sleep was within 100 feet of a turbocharger that fed air to a 50,000 shaft horsepower boiler. Anyone who wants sympathy from me because their next door neighbor is having a roof put on will be wanting for a long, long time.
Try turning on some white noise, to smother sounds from the outside. Or, get your own construction work done, by installing another layer of insulation to dampen the noise.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 25 2016, @03:51AM
I can't recall how many times I have fallen asleep in Church.
Despite the big powerful amplifiers.
(Score: 3, Informative) by sjames on Wednesday May 25 2016, @03:52AM
Likewise, having to wait till 8 to start pounding is life. If you're short on time, skip lunch or use a big ass light when the sun sets.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 25 2016, @01:49PM
ROFLMAO - sunup to sundown - the guy paying the bills doesn't want to wait an extra month to move into his new home because some neighbor is being bitchy. Spring to autumn, the crews are building new homes and additions, so that when winter comes, they can move inside to do finish work. Again - sorry, but I can neither empathise, nor sympathise with you. Gotta make hay while the sun shines, people have known that since they learned how to bust sod.
Big ass light after dark? The neighbor on the OTHER SIDE will be bitching about his high schoolers missing sleep because my lights keep them awake. Let's just keep this sunup to sundown, like nature dictates.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Wednesday May 25 2016, @07:06PM
To damn bad, he'll just have to deal. The big ass lights would need to be no later than 8, then no teenagers will be kept awake. They can work inside even later as long as the walls are well enough insulated.
Note that if they ACTUALLY take advantage of the natural light and get the shell completed in the spring through fall, they should have no problem working on the interior with a light (they'll need a light anyway since they will be inside) in the winter.
If you want to do construction as nature dictates, enjoy your straw house. Hammers, nails, and milled lumber do not occur in nature.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 25 2016, @08:28PM
ROFLMAO - it is YOU who just has to deal with it. Ordinances around the country permit work to start at various times between legal sunrise, and 8:00, and many stipulate that no work be done on weekends.
It's not like a factory is likely to be built in your neighborhood - most homes are complete in a couple months. You won't have to live with the noise for the rest of your life, after all. A week or so of noisy machinery doing dirt work, some hammering to build forms, a day with a noisy concrete truck, then a couple months of sporadic hammering. If that is to much to endure, then you should have built your own home way out in the woods, where you only have to deal with an occasional big cat, maybe a bear, and sasquatch.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Wednesday May 25 2016, @10:44PM
And many make you wait until 8 A.M. to start, deal with it.
A few posts ago, having to wait till 8 was a horrible imposition and you couldn't afford to wait since houses take so long to build. Now they get built in short order? So what were you moaning about?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 26 2016, @01:53AM
It's still an imposition on a working man. I have only ever waited for 8:00 on two jobs, and I took no more jobs within that city limit. Sunup to sundown. THAT is what honest people work. And, if you move to a city or town that has no ordinance, you're going to have to live with that.
All I hear is whining, like 8:00 is supposed to mean something. To me, all that 8:00 means is, it's about time for a break and a cup of coffee.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Thursday May 26 2016, @03:39AM
In other words, you want what you want and fuck everyone else. Be sure not to bitch if I keep you up all night with a hog calling contest next door.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 26 2016, @02:14PM
"you want what you want and fuck everyone else."
Yes, listen to you.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Wednesday May 25 2016, @01:52PM
yard sale people who begin before 9AM
Even if the yard sale is literally next door, how loud can it possibly be? Unless they're doing something weird like selling chainsaws and people want to test them first...
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 24 2016, @11:08PM
That Branch Davidian standoff with the cops was plenty noisy.
(Score: 2) by jasassin on Wednesday May 25 2016, @09:52AM
What? How dare you? Who doesn't love "Achy Breaky Heart" blasted for days straight at 800 decibels?
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by Snotnose on Tuesday May 24 2016, @11:10PM
Regulate the noise of motorcycles, they're out of control. The argument of "it has to be loud so people know I'm there" is pure bullshit. My #1 asshole was the guy putting earplugs in before starting his bike. Why? "Because it's so loud, I don't want to ruin my hearing". Um, hello!
When the dust settled America realized it was saved by a porn star.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Gravis on Tuesday May 24 2016, @11:32PM
i disagree! there was a guy on an electric motorcycle that silently whizzed by without tripping my high-decibel noise triggered road spikes. do you really want all those douche bags on motorcycles to not blow out tires and take a dive onto pavement? do you really want to take away one of the few joys in my life?! ಠ_ಠ
#sociopathy
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Tuesday May 24 2016, @11:51PM
Motorcycles, after-market mufflers, cops, fire, ambulance, knobby tires, turbine-sound V10, trains at crossings...
The number of obnoxious noise sources which are regulated in other countries (and enforced during inspections) is staggering.
The fact that people either don't care or accept to be polluted that way amazes me. You wouldn't put a diesel generator in your living room, but a Harley next door is "the American Way".
(Score: 3, Insightful) by GungnirSniper on Wednesday May 25 2016, @12:58AM
But we have no problem with criminalizing anyone who dares wear headphones while driving. Do they let the deaf drive?
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 25 2016, @08:37AM
Most new cars are soundproofed enough that police and fire sirens can't be heard if music is being played.
Yes. The deaf drive. It in no way prevents them from seeing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 25 2016, @05:37PM
I don't know about that. When I TALK LOUDER SO THE DEAF CAN UNDERSTAND ME, many of them seem to just walk by or ignore me. The only logical conclusion is that they are either blind, stupid or both. Although, it is probably the second one, as I get the same reaction from foreigners when they visit my country or when I visit theirs and they can't all be deaf and blind.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 25 2016, @02:10AM
Agreed. The thing that keeps motorcyclist's alive, is their situational awareness, good reflexes, and skill. That, and not taking unnecessary risks. All the noise from a motorcycle comes out the rear, and it alerts no one ahead.
That said - even quiet motorcycles are noisy at speed. I had a brand new Kawasaki 750. Stopped at a red light, and I thought it had stalled, it was so smoothly balanced and quiet. Couldn't feel it or hear it running. Couple weeks later, I let a shipmate test drive it. He whipped past doing about 120, and that sucker could have waked up the dead. You didn't even hear it coming, until it was about 100 feet away, and even then it was pretty quiet. As it went by though, you got hammered with a wall of sound.
Loud bikes, like loud trucks, are for immature, insecure fools. Or, squids - which is pretty much the same thing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 28 2016, @04:21AM
I'm pretty sure that my city has an ordinance about that kind of thing. Never known it to be actually enforced.
I don't know about the whole "loud pipes save lives" thing, but at least for the guys with loud bikes that I can tell go easy on them in residential areas in an attempt to be courteous I can give a pass. The assholes who rev the shit out of their bikes, thinking it's funny to rattle windows and set off car alarms? Yeah, fuck those guys.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 24 2016, @11:18PM
seems to work
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 25 2016, @01:47AM
Of all the benefits electric cars will have, this is in my top 5. Can you imagine cities in 10 years where most of the cars are electric? The change is going to be astounding.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 25 2016, @05:05AM
Yes, people are going to find some other sources of not-their-sounds to complain about.
Tremendous change.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday May 25 2016, @05:34PM
I have neighbors who complain about the birds. Wild non-native parakeets with quite a shrill scream.
Beyond first-world problems: You've-got-it-too-good problems.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 25 2016, @08:47AM
True
except.. here they want to change the law so that silent electric cars and bikes must make a minimum of noise
it is very sad
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 25 2016, @01:58PM
The change is going to be astounding
e.g. people getting hit by cars they don't hear coming will probably go up
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 26 2016, @11:13PM
The change is going to be astounding
e.g. people getting hit by cars they don't hear coming will probably go up
Good. Maybe we'll weed out some of the stupid ones with their faces in their phones while they're walking.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by darnkitten on Wednesday May 25 2016, @02:20AM
In my rural town, just the engine noise from a passing diesel pickup can overwhelm my headphones. (No such thing as a tuneup in these parts, apparently). Trucks, semis and other equipment driving up the road to the mines rattle buildings.
Today, as I was walking by the main intersection in town, there were three pickups stopped at the intersection, another two at the gas station across the street, and a semi driving through town. I could feel the vibrations going through my head and body and the noise physically hurt my ears.
Townsfolk talk about the town being quiet, but with the trend toward supersized SUVs and trucks in rural areas, and with transport routing through minor roads and highways to avoid weigh stations, vehicle noise gets more intrusive every year.
And no one will attempt to regulate the noise for fear of being labeled "socialist."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 25 2016, @03:55AM
Sound is just low frequency heat!
All this noise pollution is causing global warming!
We need a global audio tax to save the planet!
iTunes must pay!
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Wednesday May 25 2016, @09:02AM
As someone who is normally awake in the middle of the night (oh look, it's 4:59am right now), and not so much during the day, this is one big joke. I'm sure someone would complain if I was cutting the grass in the dark (has a quiet lawn mower been invented yet?). I don't really care how much noise there is outside though because I have earplugs. They cost about $.50 per pair.
(Score: 2) by shrewdsheep on Wednesday May 25 2016, @09:48AM
As someone who is normally awake in the middle of the night (oh look, it's 4:59am right now), and not so much during the day,...
Have you seen that wallet and laptop of mine that went missing from my apartment last week, perchance?
(Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday May 25 2016, @12:16PM
has a quiet lawn mower been invented yet?
Yeah my parents had an electric some decades ago. Back when a 1 HP electric motor was made of cast iron and weighed like 30 pounds. I'm sure they're lighter now. I spent many an hour behind it and it seemed to be a little quieter than a vacuum cleaner or air conditioner, but louder than a table or window fan. More than 50 feet away I'm sure the neighbors couldn't notice it was on.
Try not to run over the cord. Its not hard after the first few hours, becomes automatic. Trying to mow with the absolute minimal length cord is going to be rather frustrating. Optimize for ease of use not shortness of power cord. Its hard to put a path into words but you kinda continuously mow away from the cord thats near you.
Sun's up around 5am at this latitude, you could see what you're doing by 4-something.
Insert snarky comment here about women not being compatible with corded electric lawnmowers, specifically the cord. Something to do with superior male spatial awareness or something. Or perhaps knowing that all they need to do to get out of this sweaty job is run over the cord and complain about the cord. This is why my dad had to get a gas mower eventually and why I can't have an electric either.
One advantage of living in an area with shit climate is once the temps are over 80 or under 50, or the dew points are above 60 or so, which is about 90% of the time, people close the windows and fire up the HVAC, which often is loud white noise. Last time my neighbors had a new roof installed, I was kinda aware of it, but sleeping thru was pretty easy. For that two weeks in May when the weather is nice and I have all the windows open it would be annoying if my neighbors ran their chipper shredder for 16 hours per day, but its not really an issue.
That's probably the basis of the Waco higher decibel limit... if you're living in hell then you don't notice the noise because of the heat exhaustion at 110F or you're buttoned up in a nicely insulated air conditioned house and can't hear it. Some house in Hawaii where it never goes above or below 70 and the windows are never closed other than hurricanes, would likely get pretty annoyed if their neighbors have a cat that meows too loudly or if someone down the block has a mailbox that squeaks a little.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Wednesday May 25 2016, @01:56PM
has a quiet lawn mower been invented yet?
Ever heard of manual lawn mowers?
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"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Wednesday May 25 2016, @05:41PM
Yes I had one of those. The grass would get wrapped around the axle and then the little wheels didn't have enough traction to turn the reel anymore. Might as well use a scythe.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 25 2016, @10:41AM
Hip-hop at 130 dB is a cultural norm for some.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday May 25 2016, @12:37PM
And I pay a lot of money to live as far away from that as possible.
That is one point that seems missing from the discussion. There are cheap little barely insulated single pane windows zoned to be 10 feet apart on tiny plots of land in the first ring suburbs, like 1950s era sardine-ville. Maybe a quarter the cost of my house or less? I don't see how you can move there and be "surprised" that its kinda louder than my neighborhood. Its pretty easy to buy quiet or buy low crime or generally buy the opposite of living in the city. I'm gonna take a wild guess that unless Waco is way less diverse than where I live, it would be very to talk to a real estate agent and trade dollars for decibels.
Another problem is our state fair has been held in the same place since the 1890s. No not the 1980s, 1890s. Yet sure as the sun rises, every year there is clickbait in the local paper about the locals being surprised at the noise and traffic. I'm willing to bet that the same strategy applies on the coast and the townies near Harvard complain annually about the noise traffic and bother of school every September in clickbait articles, and thats been happening a little less than 400 years now.