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posted by martyb on Wednesday June 08 2016, @05:39AM   Printer-friendly
from the delegate-responsibility dept.

According to Consumerist:

"The Copyright Office is untertaking a review of the DMCA to figure out what is and isn't working. One big aspect of that is the "notice and takedown" aspect of the law: when a site receives notice from a copyright holder that they're hosting infringing content, they're legally immune from being an infringing party if they pull it down. We see examples of this gone amok fairly regularly, but it's the way the internet world works right now.

But notice and takedown is prone to abuse. On the one hand, it doesn't stop media pirates from willfully uploading content they don't own again, or to other platforms. And on the other hand, it's an incredibly powerful tool that lets basically anyone request to have basically any content removed wholesale from the internet at any time, potentially without appeal."

"However, the proposal now before the Copyright Office is something even more stringent. It's called "Notice and Staydown," and would have the effect that it sounds like: not only would the site receiving the notice have to take the content down, but they would have to assure that the work never appears on the platform ever again — from any user, in any form."

"The DMCA has its problems, but Notice and Staydown would be an absolute disaster," the Archive post concludes. "Unfortunately, members of the general public were not invited to the Copyright Office proceedings last week. The many thousands of comments submitted by Internet users on this subject were not considered valuable input; rather, one panelist characterized them as a 'DDoS attack' on the Copyright Office website, showing how little the people who are seeking to regulate the web actually understand it."

Here is the referenced Internet archive story: Copyright Office's Proposed Notice and Staydown System Would Force the Internet Archive and Other Platforms to Censor the Web via Torrent Freak)


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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @06:03AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @06:03AM (#356731)

    The way I remember it, college fascists tried to enforce notice-and-staydown policy in excess of the law, students educated themselves as to what the DMCA actually says, students thumbed noses at college fascists.

    Sounds like the college fascists are trying to write law again, for real this time.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by davester666 on Wednesday June 08 2016, @08:12AM

      by davester666 (155) on Wednesday June 08 2016, @08:12AM (#356756)

      No, this would be the MPAA & RIAA. The executives are annoyed that their coke and prostitution habits are growing faster than their bonus pool.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @08:58AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @08:58AM (#356762)

        Coke and hookers you say. Maybe the "college fascists" changed jobs and work for the MAAFIA now after vain attempts to police renegade students weren't rewarding enough.

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by curunir_wolf on Wednesday June 08 2016, @01:13PM

        by curunir_wolf (4772) on Wednesday June 08 2016, @01:13PM (#356845)
        It's "hookers and blow". If you're going to use it, say it right FFS.
        --
        I am a crackpot
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 09 2016, @12:05AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 09 2016, @12:05AM (#357079)

          Kokain und Huren

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @07:30AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @07:30AM (#356744)

    This almost sounds like a good change, Post a copy of some official asset, get it taken down, and now the official one automatically gets removed too.

    Depending on how its worded it could even encourage copying. "These aren't personal copies. We have to keep them all so we know what to disallow in the future. We're not allowed to delete this pirated data."

    Before you get your rage on, I said almost sounds good. I know in practice it'll be a disaster, especially the "in any form". But it'll probably get pushed through since this is sort of how child porn stays off the public net and that has been successful. The government sends out hashes and everyone blocks anything that matches those hashes.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @07:42AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @07:42AM (#356749)

      Bring on the netwide YouTube Content ID and pirated content will go darkweb instead.

    • (Score: 1) by anubi on Wednesday June 08 2016, @07:43AM

      by anubi (2828) on Wednesday June 08 2016, @07:43AM (#356750) Journal

      Guess its high time to code some little proggie to open up a video file, sound file, or image file, and change one least-significant-bit.

      It won't hash the same.

      --
      "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @07:49AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @07:49AM (#356752)

        We still don't want to see naked pics of your 12-year-old sister.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by anubi on Wednesday June 08 2016, @08:05AM

          by anubi (2828) on Wednesday June 08 2016, @08:05AM (#356755) Journal

          Nor do I have any, nor would I have any.

          All I am trying to point out is the futility of trying to censor something like the web.

          --
          "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
      • (Score: 2, Informative) by lgw on Thursday June 09 2016, @12:41AM

        by lgw (2836) on Thursday June 09 2016, @12:41AM (#357093)

        No sane person says "proggie" - it's as bad as "puter".

        Also, content ID doesn't use hashing. It uses a very robust system where you have to distort a video severely to not be a match - simple changes to brightness, aspect ratio, or color balance mean nothing, nor does a little bit of static here and there. Basically, it will reliably match a video if you record it on VHS and then play it back.

        • (Score: 1) by anubi on Thursday June 09 2016, @04:46AM

          by anubi (2828) on Thursday June 09 2016, @04:46AM (#357183) Journal

          I sure thought it would be a hash.

          Its gonna be interesting to see how this is going to play out.

          --
          "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
    • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday June 08 2016, @10:01PM

      by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Wednesday June 08 2016, @10:01PM (#357027) Homepage Journal
  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @09:28AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @09:28AM (#356770)

    *cough*

    09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

    Not even it's ultimate form!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @10:06AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @10:06AM (#356787)

      Heh. You know, if there weren't any precompiled torrent clients available anywhere, and everyone needed to compile their own, I expect piracy would suddenly plummet to negligible levels.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @11:08AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @11:08AM (#356807)

        Gentoo would suddenly become more popular!

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @12:37PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @12:37PM (#356831)

    ... we just ignore any notice coming from the U.S. of A. ?

    Let them sulk on their little island.

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @04:53PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @04:53PM (#356920)

      That little island has proven many times that it's able to make other governments change laws.

      Do you remember TTPI, FTAA and ACTA?

      So, let's keep an eye watching, next they go for us

      • (Score: 2) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Friday June 10 2016, @02:50AM

        by Scruffy Beard 2 (6030) on Friday June 10 2016, @02:50AM (#357616)

        And the Megaupload case proves that even if you are based outside the US, and follow the DMCA (treating such requests as, well requests), they will still shut you down.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @08:09PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @08:09PM (#356974)

    “Unfortunately, members of the general public were not invited to the Copyright Office proceedings last week. The many thousands of comments submitted by Internet users on this subject were not considered valuable input; rather, one panelist characterized them as a ‘DDoS attack’ on the Copyright Office website, showing how little the people who are seeking to regulate the web actually understand it.”

    It actually shows how little they care about public input. They see democracy more as a nuisance than anything.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @08:12PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 08 2016, @08:12PM (#356975)

      We are trying to democratically deny them the service of completely controlling the government with no public input. So it is an attempted denial of service attack. After all these corporations paid good money for this service.