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posted by martyb on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:57AM   Printer-friendly
from the all-your-right-are-belong-to-scotUS dept.

WIS TV in Columbia, SC reports

The Supreme Court on Monday [June 27] upheld the broad reach of a federal law that bars people with misdemeanor domestic violence convictions from owning guns.

The justices rejected arguments that the law covers only intentional or knowing acts of abuse and not those committed recklessly--where a person is aware of the risk that an act will cause injury, but not certain it will. As examples, the court mentioned throwing a plate in the heat of an argument, or slamming a door.

The case involved two Maine men who said their guilty pleas for hitting their partners should not disqualify them from gun ownership.

[...] The case is notable [...] because when it was argued on Feb. 29 Justice Clarence Thomas asked a series of questions from the bench, the first time in 10 years that he'd asked a question.

[...] Thomas expressed concern at the argument that a misdemeanor conviction could deprive someone of their constitutional gun rights, pressing a government attorney for any other examples when that could happen. He returned to that issue in [his] dissenting opinion.

"Under the majority's reading, a single conviction under a state assault statute for recklessly causing an injury to a family member--such as by texting while driving--can now trigger a lifetime ban on gun ownership", he wrote, adding: "We treat no other constitutional right so cavalierly."

Justice Sonia Sotomayor joined Thomas' dissent in part, agreeing that if Congress wanted to cover all reckless conduct it could have written the law differently.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @08:05AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @08:05AM (#366928)

    - Guns are an exquisite tool to make people dead or cause great suffering
    - Someone who has been *convicted* of domestic violence has indicated that they can't really deal with their partner telling them things they don't like without resorting to violence when violence is not called for
    - I see no problem taking away the tool mentioned above that can be discharged incredibly easily by someone who can't control their urges in causing physical (and emotional - albeit less related in tis case) harm - frontal lobe development and all that

    Don't give me the crap of "you get convicted for domestic violence for just looking at your partner the wrong way and being male" without backing that up with things other than samples of one.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @08:27AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @08:27AM (#366937)

      In fact the majority of mass shootings are committed by family members and the most common indicator is a prior history of domestic violence.
      The cases where someone runs amok and starts shooting people in public are far more rare despite getting far more tv coverage.
      California even has a "no guns" restraining order that will prevent the person from being able to legally purchase a firearm.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:17AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:17AM (#366956)

        his quote about "We treat no other constitutional right so cavalierly." Has he been paying any attention to the 4th, 5th, and I think somebody mentioned the 14th recently?

        They are shitting all over the constitution because it is good business for them. We've already got an example of every grievance the revolutionary war was fought over done domestically since 9/11 (I imagine most had been done BEFORE, by many years no doubt, but due to communication of the era it wasn't as common a grievance as they are today, or were back in colonial times.

        Anybody who thinks justice is still served in the America of today should really take a hard look at where we were, where we are, and where we are heading. Then figure out how to put fear of that heading into the politicos enacting it. Until that happens rights in this country are no better than rights in the 3rd world. Unless you know the right people you won't be getting out with your possessions and if you're really unlucky you won't be getting out alive.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:32AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:32AM (#366964)

          Unless you know the right people you won't be getting out with your possessions and if you're really unlucky you won't be getting out alive.

          Surely you've heard of the US revoking citizenship of alleged terrorists. Good luck getting past a border crossing with no citizenship and no passport. If you don't know the right people who can smuggle you out, you won't be getting out AT ALL. You don't have to worry about getting out alive, you'll stay until you rot.

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:34AM

        I'm thinking you forgot to delete the word "mass" before you hit submit.

        --
        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:57AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:57AM (#366973)

          I'm thinking family members go on a rampage during Sunday mass. If God doesn't strike them dead for killing in His house then their cause must be just. Submit.

          • (Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Tuesday June 28 2016, @10:48AM

            by GreatAuntAnesthesia (3275) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @10:48AM (#366987) Journal

            Trouble is, God was denied His right to legally own and bear divine thunderbolts thanks to Obama. If only every deity had access to divine thunderbolts as per the constitution, we'd see a lot less shootings in temples. Also less blasphemy, fornication, eating of pork products, wearing mixed fabrics, winnowing with a fork, opening bananas at the wrong end etc etc etc.

            • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Tuesday June 28 2016, @01:34PM

              by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @01:34PM (#367046) Journal

              Wait, since when does Zeus care about fornication? If you mean Yahweh, his style is more things like locusts, frogs, death 5, and cometeor.

              But what kind of banana do you mean? Cavendish or plantain?

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @01:40PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @01:40PM (#367051)
                • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Tuesday June 28 2016, @03:28PM

                  by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @03:28PM (#367117) Journal

                  Crap, I wooshed!

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @03:49PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @03:49PM (#367121)

                  In case anyone doesn't recognize the domain name, any link to oglaf is likely to be unsafe to open in the workplace.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @12:37PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @12:37PM (#367011)

          Well, you know how it is with statistics on "mass shootings" -- it all depends on how you define it. If you use some of the more inclusive definitions (e.g. shooting with 2 or more victims), it may still be true, because the majority of these "mass shootings" are simply ordinary murders with multiple victims (maybe spouse/spouse's paramour, maybe spouse and children), not the Columbine/Sandy Hook/Orlando type rampages that get all the press.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @04:52PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @04:52PM (#367147)

          > I'm thinking you forgot to delete the word "mass" before you hit submit.

          How does that work?

          Do you think that most shootings in general are domestic shootings?
          Or do you think that most shootings with 4+ deaths [everytownresearch.org] are not domestic shootings?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @04:42PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @04:42PM (#367139)

        California has more than that. They actually have teams to go out and collect the guns.

        California’s Armed & Prohibited Persons System (APPS) database.
        https://www.rt.com/usa/california-gun-program-model-157/ [rt.com]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @12:18PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @12:18PM (#367004)

      They should only be banned from owning handguns. They cause most of the problems. Long arms require more effort to hurt someone. I think that if they were willing to use a rifle to shoot someone, they'd have been nearly as willing to bash them with a baseball bat.

      • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday June 28 2016, @03:14PM

        by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 28 2016, @03:14PM (#367107) Journal

        I think that if they were willing to use a rifle to shoot someone, they'd have been nearly as willing to bash them with a baseball bat.

        Does that make it OK then? I'm not sure I follow your argument ...

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @04:41PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @04:41PM (#367138)

          Sorry I didn't say it well perhaps; was trying not to be overly wordy.

          I think if someone is going to shoot you with a rifle or a shotgun or something, they'd be equally willing to do some other horrible thing. It's not impulsive, spur-of-the-moment type of violence. You can't walk around with one of those in your pocket. It's no secret if you have one, your intent to shoot something or someone is pretty clear. Someone carrying that and willing to shoot you with it had that in mind all along.

          Handguns, though... people carry them for "self defense" all time. They are principally for shooting people; there's only a handful of hunting situations or the like you can justify them for. They can be stuffed in a purse or pants or whatever, so you won't necessarily know someone has one. Because they're small, they're also easier to steal. They're easy to have on hand. They're relatively easy to use and fire, and very fast. All of this makes them prone to being used abruptly, out of nowhere, which I think makes them a lot more dangerous. I don't like the idea that someone provably prone to rash decisions that have had seriously poor consequences could have easy access to these.

          Wish they'd more laws on handguns and dial back all the overblown focus on "assault weapons". I think the kinds of "mass shooters" we get, if we were actually somehow able to ban "Assault weapons", would just switch to bombs. You might as well ban oxygen before you try to ban bombs.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by kurenai.tsubasa on Tuesday June 28 2016, @01:06PM

      by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @01:06PM (#367029) Journal

      Have some [ncadv.org] facts [domesticviolencestatistics.org].

      Those men who do report physical violence are more likely to be ridiculed–both by law enforcement and by the public–than women are. More money is spent on women’s programs, and more crusades are launched on behalf of women who are victims of domestic violence despite the fact that men are almost equally or in some cases more likely to be victims of both physical and psychological abuse….

      Men who suffer domestic violence can only receive help if they break the silence. Not reporting domestic violence because of the stigma attached is the main reason that men currently receive few services, and one of the reasons that studies on the issue are so few.

      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday June 28 2016, @04:34PM

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @04:34PM (#367135) Journal

        This is so. I know two men who were abused by their (female) partners, and have been making heads explode by being a lesbian feminist who campaigns for mens' shelters, domestic-violence programs and other services of the sort.

        The way one of them put it was "Well, who are the cops gonna believe, a 190-pound man or a 140-pound woman?" I don't remember all the details, but he said she tried to knock him down a flight of stairs, and when he called the cops, HE ended up getting banned from the premises for 24 hours and had to sleep on the street. You can't tell me that's right...

        --
        I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:04PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:04PM (#367182)

          I was once choked by a girlfriend. At first I was just surprised and didn't really know what to do, then I started to get light headed and scared, and then she stopped on her own accord. Never reported it. She also punched me in the face and I literally saw stars -- it's not just a cartoon thing, exploding bright white lights.

          Never reported any of it. Not even willing to use my "real" pseudoname here and instead post AC.

          There are some definite privileges to being female when it comes to committing violence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M0MW6ON484 [youtube.com]

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:12PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:12PM (#367229)

            This occurs because men are not the masters of women in any white cunttry.

            Women know they are the master of the man and any behavior by the man can be met with prison time.

            In a nation where the man is master such a woman would be beaten or killed.

            Female children are brides of men.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @04:47PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @04:47PM (#367145)

      You don't know what you're talking about, and should research the corruption of the domestic violence industry and its abuse against men, especially in minority communities. It's a racket.

      There are countless examples of men calling the cops on women because she's throwing things or hitting him with things or just punching (men aren't supposed to hit women, so most will just take it up to a point). Now here's the heinous problem: Domestic Violence laws state that if the cops show up, somebody has to go to jail -- They must remove someone from the situation even if everyone there says things are fine. The Primary Aggressor clause states that the cops must arrest the individual that appears to be "most dangerous", this is interpreted to mean "bigger and stronger". That means it's almost always the man who is taken to jail, regardless of who is being violent. That's right: Abused men are taken to jail for domestic violence. [nationalparentsorganization.org]

      So, when a man is bloodied by his spouse and calls the cops on his abusive wife he will frequently find himself in jail after being beaten. Abused men learn quickly not to call the cops on their abusers, contributing to underreporting of abuse against men. Once in jail the prosecutors get involved, and they use every tool in the book to get a conviction. All it takes at that point is a statement from the female abuser. The bruises on the man will be enough proof of a struggle.

      In many cases the woman will try to give a signed and witnessed affidavit stating that she does not wish to press charges, that she was not actually abused. Sometimes neighbors called the cops because of an argument, or perhaps the woman called the cops just being vindictive or maybe she was legitimately scared. What happens when she submits the affidavit claiming the man's innocence to the court is that the man is then changed with threatening her life, sometimes zealous prosecutors even push for this to be considered a Terroristic Threat. Their logic is that he must have threatened her life in some way to get her to drop the case, and in no circumstance to they consider she's not been threatened, just in case she has (even though she swore under oath she wasn't). The case is then enhanced and becomes a Felony, it's elevated to the Federal Court with even higher stakes and larger fines (more money for the government).

      The man is held in jail sometimes for months with no bail allowed because of the "threat" he poses to the safety of his spouse. Facing losing his job and failure to pay bills, repossession of vehicles, house, etc. The family itself is now being punished by the state. Under this pressure the woman may try to file even more affidavits and testify in court that no abuse took place -- All of this is detrimental to the case the man's defense in court. So, what does he do? He pleads guilty.

      I went to jail for failure to pay a ticket. In one local jail cell-block over half of the men being held (pretrial detainees) were charged with "domestic violence". Six of the men were being charged with "Family Violence" even though they had never met the accuser before they day they had an argument in public. On a bus, in a store. One woman pickpocket tried to steal a guy's phone, he chased her down and ripped it out of her hand. The security camera footage from the store conveniently only covered his grabbing her shoulder and roughly taking back his own phone. This is "Family Violence" says the cops, why else would she have his phone? Criminals know how they can abuse the system by lying about domestic abuse, and the cops coach women in such scuffles to make a statement of domestic abuse.

      Go do some damn research. You're being ignorant, and it could be bad for your health. Here are 286 studies which show that Women are as Violent or More Violent than Men with regard to domestic violence. [csulb.edu] Domestic violence is not a gendered problem in the first place, so why do we have feminist organizations like National Organization for Women having the Violence Against Woman Act passed when domestic abuse affects both men and women victims about equally? If they're pushing for "equality" then why do they only want to increase the punishment for domestic violence against woman and not people in general? Watch this video featuring the founder of the world's first woman's shelter to find out why men are so heavily targeted by domestic violence industry. [youtube.com] It's a racket.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:17PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:17PM (#367232)

        Don't like it? Start killing law enforcers and getting rid of your country.

        There is nothing for a man in america.

        It is a woman's country.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:49PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:49PM (#367285)

          Nah. Just Ride the Tiger until the muslims subjugate those of European descent again.

          Then when they finally realize their suicidal ways, fight back and free the bleeding heart dummies.

          Death and rebirth is necessary to all lifeforms. I just wish nations weren't lifeforms. C'est la vie.

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @08:28AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @08:28AM (#366938)

    So I smack that bitch of a wife around now and again. Who doesn't?

    Especially when she can't be arsed to do as she's told. How does that old saw go again?

    What do you tell a woman with two black eyes? Nothin;. you already told her twice!

    So now I can't own guns because I treat my property the way I want? Fuck that noise. If that bitch does anything that might cause that, I'll kill her!

    I might just do that anyway, since I'm getting a little tired of her and the flowers in the backyard need more fertilizer. They haven't had any since I "dumped" my girlfriend last year.

    As long as it has holes and knows its place, it can stay. It's the second part that's the killer, if you take my meaning. ;)

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @08:39AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @08:39AM (#366940)

      Oh honey you're fabulous! Do you date gay bottoms? I've been looking for a manly man who knows his way around a garden.

      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:36PM

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:36PM (#367246) Journal

        This guy sounds more like he needs a dominatrix :)

        --
        I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
    • (Score: 1) by Pax on Tuesday June 28 2016, @01:32PM

      by Pax (5056) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @01:32PM (#367044)

      Especially when she can't be arsed to do as she's told.

      not just any troll but a British troll! our Yank cousins don't use that turn of phrase me laddo :P

  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @08:41AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @08:41AM (#366941)

    Stop pussy-footing around and chipping away at the right to bear arms, and just kill the fucking thing already!

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by jmorris on Tuesday June 28 2016, @08:44AM

    by jmorris (4844) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @08:44AM (#366943)

    So we now have a misdemeanor that gets a life sentence? And even worse, you know a lot of people plead guilty on plea deals because they couldn't afford the expense of a trial. And now presto, ex post facto, lifetime ban. And you can bet your ass that now that the precedent has been set the list of minor infractions leading to a lifetime bad will quickly grow.

    Sorry, if you think somebody is a menace to society, jail them. At least remove their voting rights, since that WILL trigger the full weight of the civil rights machinery. Instead the civil rights industry will be applauding this travesty.

    This is just Democrats being Democrats. It really is about time for the Revolutionary solution we were entrusted with those guns by the Founders to enable. Kill em all, if the FSM exists it can reap their pathetic souls.

    • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Tuesday June 28 2016, @08:50AM

      by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @08:50AM (#366944) Journal

      Sorry, if you think somebody is a menace to society, jail them.

      "Officer, this is jmorris, and I believe he does intend bodily or mental harm upon someone. I would appreciate it if you would arrest him, or hang him by the neck until he were dead. Thank you, officer"

      See? Easy Peasy! No need to thank me, jmorris, you domestic abuser, you!

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @08:59AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @08:59AM (#366949)

      The Founders policy on the matter is quite clear. Only the Jem'Hadar may carry guns. Revolutionaries will be exterminated.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:03AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:03AM (#366952)

      It really is about time for the Revolutionary solution we were entrusted with those guns by the Founders to enable. Kill em all, if the FSM exists it can reap their pathetic souls.

      Much talking, no acting.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:10AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:10AM (#366954)

        It's called Voice Acting.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Spamalope on Tuesday June 28 2016, @12:46PM

      by Spamalope (5233) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @12:46PM (#367017) Homepage

      a lot of people plead guilty on plea deals because they couldn't afford the expense of a trials

      You're likely to be over charged in a situation where "J'accuse" is sufficient for conviction. You have to choose between the risk of going going to prison for a decade if you lose in a court case where you've only got a public defender whose spent a few minutes on your case vs taking a misdemeanor plea even though you're innocent.
       
      False accusations carry no penalty so they're used as a weapon in civil disputes, and that practice has the horrible effect of throwing a cloud over reports of genuine abuse. The way it's run now almost seems designed to turn poeple against each other by giving everyone a legitimate wrong to right, while misdirecting the blame for the current situation away from those responsible.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by anubi on Tuesday June 28 2016, @08:55AM

    by anubi (2828) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @08:55AM (#366947) Journal

    One can kill someone while horsing around on his cellphone while driving...

    So, can we get a rider attached to this bill which states that along with depriving one from having a gun if they have ever did domestic violence, that we can also ban cellphone ownership from one ever doing phoneplay while driving?

    ( Yes, that one will get so much uproar that it will never pass... my guess is that people will value their right to have a cellphone far more than their right to bear arms. )

    I will tell you right now my biggest fear is not that my neighbor has a gun, its that the guy two cities over - that is going to have a gun, legal or not, is going to visit me - and he would much prefer knowing that lawful people can't defend themselves. My own feeling is that knowing you are apt to get shot dissuades many people from going into other people's houses uninvited.

    --
    "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:06AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:06AM (#366953)

      Arab Spring proved that Facebook is an inalienable human right.

    • (Score: 2) by jimshatt on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:50AM

      by jimshatt (978) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:50AM (#366972) Journal

      My own feeling is that knowing you are apt to get shot dissuades many people from going into other people's houses uninvited.

      No. Well, yes, *some* people will only be dissuaded by the fear of getting shot, but probably most people that are prone to breaking and entering won't even give a shit. They'll just break in when you're not at home and steal your guns. Now you have a burglar with a gun. Congrats.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by AssCork on Tuesday June 28 2016, @01:58PM

        by AssCork (6255) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @01:58PM (#367062) Journal

        No. Well, yes, *some* people will only be dissuaded by the fear of getting shot, but probably most people that are prone to breaking and entering won't even give a shit.

        Sounds like mental-illness. Better make sure I have decent locks on the doors/windows and an alarm system.
         

        They'll just break in when you're not at home and steal your guns.

        Gun Safe. Pretty sure those are a thing. The bigger & badder ones will delay even the most determined thief by 20 minutes or so. (As long as no one has an auto-body saw in their garage)
         

        Now you have a burglar with a gun. Congrats.

        So someone should willingly refuse to own something because a burglar may obtain it?

        • Flatscreen TV?
        • Stereo?
        • Jewlery?
        • Cordon-Bleu cutlery knives?
        • expensive tools? (including firearms)
        --
        Just popped-out of a tight spot. Came out mostly clean, too.
        • (Score: 2) by jimshatt on Wednesday June 29 2016, @08:52AM

          by jimshatt (978) on Wednesday June 29 2016, @08:52AM (#367472) Journal
          Mental illnesses are not uncommon, so decent locks and an alarm system are indeed advisable. Gun safes are fine and dandy of course. How fast can you get from your bed to the gun safe and take the gun out, when a burglar is in your home? I honestly don't know, but I haven't seen any proof that guns are effective burglary deterrents either. I've seen studies with evidence for both sides: http://www.nber.org/papers/w8926 [nber.org] and http://www.davekopel.com/2A/ch/Comment-on-The-Effects-of-Gun-Prevalence-on-Burglary.htm [davekopel.com]

          (The conclusion seems to be that burglars that fear guns break in when you're not at home, that's hardly prevention if you ask me)
          • (Score: 1) by AssCork on Friday July 01 2016, @07:16PM

            by AssCork (6255) on Friday July 01 2016, @07:16PM (#368570) Journal

            How fast can you get from your bed to the gun safe and take the gun out, when a burglar is in your home?

            (Emphasis added is mine)

            Apologies for making assumptions, but I'm assuming that this statement is directed at me, rather than a hypothetical question directed at any reader in general.

            I'm not sure how fast I could get to (and open) a safe. Never timed it, personally.
            However, it does take me about one second to reach the nightstand, where the Glock goes after it comes off my hip at the end of the day.

            --
            Just popped-out of a tight spot. Came out mostly clean, too.
    • (Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Tuesday June 28 2016, @01:12PM

      by LoRdTAW (3755) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @01:12PM (#367034) Journal

      So, can we get a rider attached to this bill which states that along with depriving one from having a gun if they have ever did domestic violence, that we can also ban cellphone ownership from one ever doing phoneplay while driving?

      This is somewhat the case in NY: http://www.dmv.org/ny-new-york/point-system.php [dmv.org]

      "If you receive a certain number of points within a given time period, your driver's license may be suspended. In New York, a suspension may occur if you receive 11 points within 18 months."

      "5-Point Violations
      Texting while driving: 5 points.
      "

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:45PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:45PM (#367210) Journal
        It's worth noting the suspension isn't permanent since your points clear every 18 months.
  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Bot on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:11AM

    by Bot (3902) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:11AM (#366955) Journal

    Get rid of kitchen knives.

    I bet my kitchen knife on the following progression for firearms ownership ban:
    - domestic abusers
    - people with suicidal tendencies
    - antidepressant users
    - depressed individuals
    - individuals with no respect for authority
    - individuals critical of the government in charge
    - civilians
    - military (soldier, leave it to the AI, the AI is more faithful than the Waffen-SS, the problem is to whom)

    --
    Account abandoned.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:22AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:22AM (#366958)

      You forgot some, you forgetful fucker!

      - people in anger management
      - unemployable shut-ins
      - genocidal maniacs

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:39AM

        Not forgotten. They're unnecessary to reach utter disarmament of the population while ensuring the government still has the means to oppress them and that's all gun control was ever about.

        --
        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Hairyfeet on Tuesday June 28 2016, @12:14PM

          by Hairyfeet (75) <bassbeast1968NO@SPAMgmail.com> on Tuesday June 28 2016, @12:14PM (#367001) Journal

          Actually it was to make sure "them darkies" wouldn't be able to fight back when cops or the klan came a' knocking originally.

          Look up "fear of an armed negro" and prepare to be gobsmacked at how blatant those that pushed the original gun control laws were with their racism, but I guess in the 60s and 70s they could be as blatant as they wanted to without fear of political fallout. Hell you could make a drinking game out of how many times words like "their kind" is used in that documentary and get alcohol poisoning, they really have zero fucks to give when it came to hiding their intent.

          But this is why you first saw demonizing of guns like"Saturday Night Specials" because the original SNS? Was a GREAT gun for self defense and was cheap enough black people could afford one. A snub nose 38 revolver is frankly exactly what you want when it comes to protecting your home, its simple, small, and short range. It was only after they started demonizing the SNS that you saw all the decent gun manufacturers drop out to be replaced by shitty 25 autos and other cheap junk, before that a SNS was a really quality little gun and if you come across a late 50s/early 60s example they are still great guns to own.

          Of course the rotting elephant in the room is something the gun banners refuse to accept...criminals do not follow laws, hence why they are called criminals. You don't know how many times I've asked this simple query to gun banners and had them do everything from call me names to jump through flaming logic hoops trying to change the subject, feel free to use this next time you come across a gun banner...."If you have so little control over the border that Amnesty International says there is millions of SLAVES, honest to God slaves, in the USA right now....how do you expect you will be able to keep criminals from bringing guns across the border, which is so much easier to conceal and transport?"....this is the fatal flaw in their logic and why cities like Chicago with the toughest gun laws in the USA also have one of the highest levels of gun violence....criminals do not obey laws, only law abiding citizens do, so all your laws do is make sure law abiding citizens cannot defend themselves against criminals.

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          • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:38PM

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:38PM (#367247) Journal

            I bet that one sent him into an infinite loop, LOL. On the one hand, "der terkin' er GERRRRNS!" On the other hand "der terkin' de niggers gernrrrns!" So he won't know whether to love it or hate it!

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            • (Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Wednesday June 29 2016, @07:16AM

              by Hairyfeet (75) <bassbeast1968NO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday June 29 2016, @07:16AM (#367439) Journal

              That is what I soooo love about it, it completely fries the teeny tiny brains of any SJW. On one hand you have their love of screaming "dat's raciss!" being activated by the most obvious and blatant racism of those that wrote the original gun control laws, and on the other they have their love of Big Mommy and hatred of guns. Needless to say you get lots of cursing and screaming and gnashing of teeth because it doesn't fit their 4 year old brains black and white world which just roasts what few brain cells they have.

              Its the same thing with the border, they have their love of open borders being bitchslapped by the reality that a completely open border means you cannot control gun imports by criminals which is proven by the fact that AI says we have more slaves now than we did in 1825....I just love using logic and reality to fuck with regressives, don't you? ;-)

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              • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:40PM

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:40PM (#367535) Journal

                ....oh lawdy lawdy, did you just refer to The Shitey Buzzard as an Ess Jay Double-Ewe? :D

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                • (Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Wednesday June 29 2016, @09:24PM

                  by Hairyfeet (75) <bassbeast1968NO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday June 29 2016, @09:24PM (#367736) Journal

                  Does his posts fit the description contained here? [youtube.com] I haven't read enough of his posts to make a definitive judgement but if they walk like a duck and quack like a duck? Odds are they may be a duck.

                  I HAVE noticed you have some hardcore SJWs here, that anticrustus or whatever his fucking name is has made posts saying that all white people (including his white beta male cuckold ass) need to be executed, so yes Virginia there is a LOT of SJWs here. If I had to guess why its because the green site has had a huge backlash against the SJWs so they are trying to find a new site to infect.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @10:10AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @10:10AM (#366977)
        Genocidal maniacs? They don't need guns. They need to hold public office so they can order the armed forces to commit genocide. Or they need bigger weapons than that. A 5 megaton nuclear warhead detonated over a major city makes a nice pretext.
    • (Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Tuesday June 28 2016, @01:16PM

      by LoRdTAW (3755) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @01:16PM (#367035) Journal

      Better to address the root problem and get out of an abusive relationship. But when you grow up abused, getting your face punched in for not having diner ready is normal.

    • (Score: 2) by Gravis on Wednesday June 29 2016, @03:55PM

      by Gravis (4596) on Wednesday June 29 2016, @03:55PM (#367618)
  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by RedBear on Tuesday June 28 2016, @10:45AM

    by RedBear (1734) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @10:45AM (#366984)

    This, unfortunately, is the exact kind of overly broad, slippery slope ruling that gun rights advocates have always been afraid of. When I first heard of this ruling I didn't think much of it, seemed like a good idea at first blush. But now that I realize just how ridiculously broad this is and that this negates (for life!) a constitutional right based on nothing but a misdemeanor conviction, I am severely disturbed by this. The quote from Justice Thomas is exactly correct. There is no other constitutional right that can be permanently swept away by something as simple as a misdemeanor. I'm not even on board with states that revoke for life a citizens' right to vote or bear arms based on felony convictions, due largely to the number of innocuous non-violent crimes such as marijuana possession that we've turned into felonies. So i definitely can't go along with letting a misdemeanor conviction, which could very easily result from a plea deal regarding a non-intentional or even non-violent event that would have resulted in no conviction if it actually went to trial, result in a lifetime revocation of any person's 2nd Amendment rights. I just can't do it.

    I think it really says something that this case was what finally got Thomas to open his yap in court for the first time in a decade. Imagine revoking someone's 1st Amendment rights because they shouted too loud or said the wrong thing, or, heaven forbid, worshipped the "wrong" deity.

    For the gun control fans who think this ruling makes perfect sense ("don't give guns to violent people, duh!") and that I am on the side of the wife beaters, I will now state as explicitly as I can that domestic violence is a terrible problem and I'm definitely not in favor of people with actual histories of violence having easy access to firearms. But the way this law is written is just way too broad and it needs to be rewritten to be focused on people who really engage in acts of intentional violence and not something as innocuous as a mutual shouting match or a car accident. And I'd like to point out that every time you make the gun rights advocates' worst nightmares come true, all you do is make their case stronger and bring more Americans over to the viewpoint that "The Libtards er comin' fer our guns!". This ruling will strengthen the Republican party and the NRA. Is that really what you want?

    And now come the comments ridiculing me as a conservative gun nut moron, even though on all other known issues that have ever been discussed here I am one of the most liberal types there is. Which is why I always hesitate to participate in any conversation that is remotely firearms related. No matter how rational I try to be in my comments all I seem to ever get in response is narrow minded nastiness. I'm not holding my breath, but it would be refreshing if that didn't happen this time.

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    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @12:30PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @12:30PM (#367008)

      A lifetime ban for a one time offence is completely wrong. Require a gun safe, anger management/therapy/counseling, and ban possession until they fulfill the requirements.

      A felony conviction should also not prevent someone from owning a gun. I have no idea how a felon could be denied the opportunity to be represented in government.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @12:53PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @12:53PM (#367020)

      The ban isn't just on violent people owning a guns, but their entire families. Can't keep any firearm in the house, even if it is in a locked safe and only you have the key. Weapons charges are no laughing matter. I've seen someone brought up on charges because a relative who live a few blocks a away had one, and the suspect visited a lot (they were providing home care)

      And it puts people who have to be able to carry a firearm as a condition of employment in a tricky situation. Do you really want to risk your entire career on a misdemeanor charge? Do you have any idea how common domestic spats are with the military or police?

      Even felons can have their voting rights reinstated (it's covered under state law), but a federal ban on a constitutional right is asinine.

      And in the wake of the Orlando shooting, several gays are understanding the point of self-protection. They also have some of the highest rates of domestic disturbances. You've either locked them from being able to defend themselves from the most egregious forms of homophobia, or devalued domestic abuse as when the reverberations of this hit, there will a less of a tendency to prosecute.

      Way to go.

      • (Score: 2) by jdavidb on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:16PM

        by jdavidb (5690) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:16PM (#367191) Homepage Journal

        And in the wake of the Orlando shooting, several gays are understanding the point of self-protection.

        I saw a very interesting article on that today that also talks about the history of the civil rights movement for blacks and how blacks being able to protect themselves was an important factor [fee.org].

        I'm in favor of any oppressed minority being permitted to defend themselves. In fact it's a principle that goes all the way back to Esther 8:11 in the Bible, whenever that was written. But it works well for those who don't believe in the Bible, too.

        I don't own a gun myself, for what that's worth. But I don't oppose anyone's right to own one.

        That said, I don't want the federal government overriding the wishes of the states on this at all. If one state wants to ban or restrict guns, the constitution doesn't stop them, and the federal government shouldn't, either.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:21PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:21PM (#367236)

          The difficulty is the 14th, which restricts what state governments can or can not do with regards to the Bill of Rights. I anticipate some localities to have different rules regarding open carry and the like, but otherwise the language is quite clear- no one can be denied ownership.

          And because of the 14th, you can't tease out that some rights apply while others do not. It's good with the bad, with at least some minimal baseline that even states can not cross.

          Some state restrictions come dangerously closely to then not only violating the 2nd but the 14th as well. When San Francisco passed ordinances that effectively closed down there last remaining gun shop, that was regrettable but legal as it was not an outright ban.

          This however sets the stage for all rights to be dependent on governmental approval.

          • (Score: 2) by jdavidb on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:35PM

            by jdavidb (5690) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:35PM (#367244) Homepage Journal

            When San Francisco passed ordinances that effectively closed down there last remaining gun shop, that was regrettable but legal as it was not an outright ban.

            Interesting how that doesn't work when Texas passes ordinances that effectively close down abortion providers.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @04:22AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @04:22AM (#367394)

              Interesting how that doesn't work when Texas passes ordinances that effectively close down abortion providers.

              The difference is that the Texas ordinances were state-wide, while San Francisco's ordinances were merely for that one, single city.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 02 2016, @03:23PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 02 2016, @03:23PM (#368903)

                Not the OP, but you have me intrigued. How is that argument viable? Both would seem to be applying law within their respective jurisdictions, so why would city versus state matter?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:57PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:57PM (#367217)

        And it puts people who have to be able to carry a firearm as a condition of employment in a tricky situation. Do you really want to risk your entire career on a misdemeanor charge? Do you have any idea how common domestic spats are with the military or police?

        Many years ago, I went out with some friends in Virginia Beach; one woman brought along her husband, a Navy Seal, who told us about one of the officers under whom he worked. The officer, described as "a mean baby-killing sonofabitch," had been caught up in the Iran-Contra affair and could not longer legally have a gun in the United States. That mattered not a whit either to him or the other Seals.

        I imagine that the less "mean baby-killing sonofabitch" parts of the military probably would have greater difficulties with being restricted from carrying weapons.

      • (Score: 2) by tathra on Wednesday June 29 2016, @04:31AM

        by tathra (3367) on Wednesday June 29 2016, @04:31AM (#367396)

        Do you have any idea how common domestic spats are with the military or police?

        soldiers guilty under the Lautenberg Amendment can still man crew-served weapons, [armystudyguide.com] such as tanks, .50cals, MK19s, etc, they just can't use individual weapons like rifles and pistols or deal with ammunition. a Lautenberg violation is not necessarily the end of a soldier's career.

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @10:52AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @10:52AM (#367501)

          No man should serve in a military that puts cunts first.

          They should seek to overthrow such a military.

          Cunts in power should be killed.

          Man is to be master (ba'al), as written in the book of Deuteronomy (the book of the law)

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by jdavidb on Tuesday June 28 2016, @12:56PM

    by jdavidb (5690) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @12:56PM (#367023) Homepage Journal

    I would agree with this, but not necessarily for the reasons the court stated. I'm sure what I believe has been demolished by previous court opinion, but I believe the federal government shouldn't be allowed to interfere with individual state gun laws. When the Bill of Rights was written it was not seen as a guarantee that the federal government would guarantee these rights to individual citizens against their states - it was simply a limitation that Congress couldn't restrict these issues, that this power lied with the states and not the federal government. A very well-known example of this is the established religion clause: several states at the time had their own established churches and they were not expected to eliminate these when the bill of rights was ratified. It just meant that for the purpose of unity the states were going to compromise by letting each state make their own decision on this matter and keep the federal government out of it so states didn't have a means by which they could control one another.

    I think most everybody would be happier in the end if we would just let states make these decisions. California and New York could pass all the anti-gun legislation they wanted without the federal government getting involved, Texas could go nuts with permissive gun laws, and while I hate to tell people "If you don't like it, leave," it is a lot easier to move from state to state, and this would give people a lot more options and a lot more choice. We would all be more likely to get what we want and wouldn't have to freak out so much about what people are doing across the country. But mostly now people like freaking out and handing the federal government more power, which is a very dangerous trend if you ask me.

    I'm not saying I think states should pass gun control laws; I'm just saying that I am more concerned about the federal government having a say in the matter. I read the 2nd amendment as saying the federal government will stay out of it, granting the states to do whatever they like on this matter.

    On a similar note, I'm also in the unique position of thinking that Texas should not have passed their anti-abortion law, but that the federal government should not have overridden it.

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by jdavidb on Tuesday June 28 2016, @01:04PM

      by jdavidb (5690) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @01:04PM (#367028) Homepage Journal

      On another note, some of the volunteer work my wife and I have done has involved helping domestically abused women and helping people get anger management who need it. (In fact I took anger management myself by the way.) While I am a big believer in gun rights it is hard not to have all the sympathy in the world for women and children in a domestic abuse situation. Again, I say let the states decide without interference from the federal government.

      I'm taking note of Justice Thomas's comments that indicate additional reckless conduct could be unintentionally covered under the law, but it still doesn't sway me from my fundamental opinion that the federal government was not originally given the power to make gun law for the whole country, and has usurped it.

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      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @05:32PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @05:32PM (#367168)

        Have you ever considered volunteering to help male victims of domestic violence? Women abuse men as much or more than men abuse women. [csulb.edu] Yet, there no men's shelters because there is only overwhelming sympathy for "women and children". IMO, it's a quite state of affairs sexist.

        Here: [nationalparentsorganization.org]

        More importantly, when an abused man called the police, the police were more likely to arrest him than to arrest his abusive female partner.

        Not only are men abused as often as women, they're more likely to go to jail than their abuser if they call the cops.

        There are many women's shelters, but none for battered men and boys. Boys as old as 13 are prohibited from being with their mothers in a woman's shelter. This is another reason why 80% of the homelessness and over 70% of suicide victims are male. Teen suicides spiked 600% since the 1970's among boys. Where is the sympathy for men and boys?

        • (Score: 2) by jdavidb on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:08PM

          by jdavidb (5690) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:08PM (#367186) Homepage Journal

          Have you ever considered volunteering to help male victims of domestic violence?

          We help all sexes equally in our work.

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        • (Score: 2) by jdavidb on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:11PM

          by jdavidb (5690) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:11PM (#367188) Homepage Journal

          There are many women's shelters, but none for battered men and boys.

          I have no objection to anybody funding a shelter for men and/or boys or whatever criteria they want, and I do object to people being forced to fund anything against their will, so I would support your right to keep some or all of the portion of your tax money that goes to support women's shelters and redirect it to men's shelters or wherever else you think it should go.

          Unfortunately most people think that if my ideas on that were implemented it would help the rich get richer, make the poor poorer, etc., so most people would never support such an arrangement. You get majority rule whether you feel it's sexist or not. We all get it, no matter what we believe or how we vote.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday June 28 2016, @01:44PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 28 2016, @01:44PM (#367054) Journal

    It's a steady march. Gotta disarm the peasants.

    A long time ago, I agreed that convicts should not be permitted to own weapons. It seemed to make sense - convicts are dangerous, dangerous people shouldn't be allowed to own dangerous weapons.

    But, how many people are locked away in prison, who never hurt anyone? Smoke a dooby, go to jail. Smoke three doobies, and you're out - lifetime in prison. That's something we have to thank the Clintons for, now isn't it? Not just the Clintons, but Clinton had a hand in that crap.

    Now, it's down to misdemeanors? Not even a very high burden of proof misdemeanor, either. You argue with the wife, she SAYS you hit her, and you're locked up. Be honest - you've seen it. Unless you're some kind of sexist who puts women up on a pedastal, you have to admit that women are just as good, and just as bad, as men are. We've SEEN women make shit up, for sympathy and for vengeance.

    So, the wife SAYS that I hit her. And, the cops can take all my weapons?

    Like hell - I'll shoot the first sumbitch that comes in the door. Yeah, they'll get me, but they'll pay dearly. I'll have at least one slave in Valhalla.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @02:18PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @02:18PM (#367069)

      I hope the cuntry is destroyed.

      Make shure to shoot the wife first.
      She is not supposed to be your master.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday June 28 2016, @02:47PM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 28 2016, @02:47PM (#367085) Journal

        You're just being silly - I'm not shooting the old lady. If she started being abusive toward me, I'd just head on down the road. She can't spite me very much when I'm gone, now can she?

        It's the law, the lawmakers, and the idiots who interpret the law that piss me off. They are always digging for new ways to control people.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday June 28 2016, @04:56PM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @04:56PM (#367148) Journal

          That's Kvaratskhelia again, Runaway. You know, Mr. "Deuteronomy says rape little girls to own them?" Yeah. Him. He makes you look sane and reasonable.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:18PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:18PM (#367196)

          Life becomes complicated and intertwined. And maybe you try to leave, then she calls a family meeting and tries to kill everyone: http://www.khou.com/news/crime/fbcso-mom-called-family-meeting-then-shot-her-2-daughters/257414793 [khou.com]

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday June 29 2016, @02:21AM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 29 2016, @02:21AM (#367366) Journal

            I saw that this morning. That's one crazy bitch. Most women would shoot the husband, this one shot the kids to hurt the husband.

            I notice that Dad ran out, and left the girls to fend for themselves. Apparently, the girls had TWO bad parents . . . .

    • (Score: 1) by AssCork on Tuesday June 28 2016, @02:50PM

      by AssCork (6255) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @02:50PM (#367087) Journal

      I'll have at least one slave in Valhalla.

      Wait, Vikings get slaves in Valhalla? Source?
      (Genuinely interested, wikipedia doesn't mention struck-down "enemy combatants" becoming slaves in the after-life...)

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @04:03PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @04:03PM (#367124)

      Please use a kitchen knife or a sledge hammer to not cause more bullshit towards gun owners.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday June 28 2016, @04:18PM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 28 2016, @04:18PM (#367128) Journal

        Molon labe, man.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @02:06AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @02:06AM (#367362)

          Μορον Λαβία, Τεξάς!

  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @02:15PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @02:15PM (#367064)

    When men ruled, men took female children as brides.
    See: Deuteronomy (hebrew), or pre-cuntified USA:
    >In the United States, as late as the 1880s most States set the minimum age at 10-12, (in Delaware it was 7 in 1895).[8] Inspired by the "Maiden Tribute" female reformers in the US initiated their own campaign[9] which petitioned legislators to raise the legal minimum age to at least 16, with the ultimate goal to raise the age to 18. The campaign was successful, with almost all states raising the minimum age to 16-18 years by 1920.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @02:51PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @02:51PM (#367088)

      Admit it. You just want to fuck little girls.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @05:27PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @05:27PM (#367165)

        Admit it. You just want to fuck little girls.

        Of course. Who doesn't?

        With their tight little pussies, that you can rip right open with your manly penis!

        There's nothing better than making a little girl scream while you pleasure yourself inside her!

        And you can teach them exactly what they're good for and how to please you, so that they have their priorities straight.

        All this bullshit about women having any other role than as holes for a man's pleasure and incubators for the next generation to be either holes or owners just goes completely against the natural order of things.

        My daughters know what their place is and what they're for. They'll keep me and my sons happy, because that's all that they, their mom and the other holes I keep in the basement are good for.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @05:35PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @05:35PM (#367169)

          Found the Muslim.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:34AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:34AM (#367344)

            Muslims have the right idea.

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @05:42PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @05:42PM (#367172)

          You men think that just because you don't agree with this asshole that you're some kind of saints.

          Well, I'm here to tell you that PIV [wordpress.com] is rape [wordpress.com].

          You can try to dress it up in some kind of pretty (for you, at least) packaging, but PIV is rape. Always. If you engage in PIV against (and it is, by definition, against) women, you are a rapist.

          • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Tuesday June 28 2016, @08:58PM

            by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @08:58PM (#367272) Journal

            Out of mod points for a few more hours.

            This is fascinating. First MikeeUSA and now a radfem. And probably the same person judging by the spammy, repetitive style, so this probably disproves my theory that MikeeUSA is a radfem. Also observe that posts like parent can't be effectively used to push codes of conduct, only replies to posts like parent can. Parent's angle may be a slightly more effective way to troll this site than the MikeeUSA persona.

            Question: what about when a well hung man penetrates my woman suit? I want a creative answer to that, too!

            (Gotta be exact in working up a characterization of this new persona.)

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:29AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:29AM (#367343)

              " And probably the same person "

              Nope. Shows what you know.
              I wish people like yourself could just be killed. You think you know things which you are completely wrong about.
              But still you sit there in smugness, as if you are correct.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by janrinok on Tuesday June 28 2016, @03:24PM

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 28 2016, @03:24PM (#367112) Journal

      Well, what a surprise! Mikeee has turned up ....

      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday June 28 2016, @05:01PM

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @05:01PM (#367151) Journal

        This guy's insane. Do a google search for him and read about the shit he's said. This is not just a case of being a loathsome individual; there is something broken in the way this man's mind works. I don't know if he's schizophrenic or "possessed" ("obsessed" or "overshadowed" is a better word...) or what, but...yeah. Nuttier than chipmunk testicles.

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        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @05:47PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @05:47PM (#367173)

          This guy's insane. Do a google search for him and read about the shit he's said. This is not just a case of being a loathsome individual; there is something broken in the way this man's mind works. I don't know if he's schizophrenic or "possessed" ("obsessed" or "overshadowed" is a better word...) or what, but...yeah. Nuttier than chipmunk testicles.

          Insane is right! Anyone who encourages or engages in rape [wordpress.com] should be castrated and locked up forever.

          And before you start thinking that you're better than this guy, I'm here to tell you that PIV [wordpress.com] is rape [wordpress.com].

          You can try to dress it up in some kind of pretty (for you, at least) packaging, but PIV is rape. Always. If you engage in PIV against (and it is, by definition, against) women, you are a rapist.

        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday June 28 2016, @05:52PM

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 28 2016, @05:52PM (#367179) Journal

          Thank you - but I know him well. His first posts were within a few months of us starting out and, unfortunately, he is still here. You will note that I wasn't talking _to_ him, merely letting others know who it was.

          • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:18PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:18PM (#367197)

            Thank you - but I know him well. His first posts were within a few months of us starting out and, unfortunately, he is still here. You will note that I wasn't talking _to_ him, merely letting others know who it was.

            You think you're better than him, don't you? But I'll bet you're a rapist [wordpress.com] too!

            I bet you tell people, "I love and respect women." But if you engage in PIV [wordpress.com] you're exactly the same as MikeeUSA.

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:51PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:51PM (#367213)

          I do a google search and find three dimensional opensource videogames.

          It's insane to assist in the development of those?

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:34PM

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:34PM (#367243) Journal

            Try https://encyclopediadramatica.se/MikeeUSA [encyclopediadramatica.se]

            And https://kiwifar.ms/threads/mikeeusa-michael-mcallister-mikhail-kvaratskhelia.19315/ [kiwifar.ms]

            And for extra--hilarious lulz, here is an entire site of fedora'd MRA anti-feminists who think Mikee's so nuts that he must be an angry butch lesbian TERF radfem who's trying to make men look bad! That's a little like NAMBLA accusing someone of making gay paedophiles look bad by being too extreme! http://www.antifeministtech.info/2010/03/haters-mikeeusa/ [antifeministtech.info]

            So yeah, I'd say not only is he insane, he's nuttier than squirrel shit.

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            I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
            • (Score: 2) by Zinho on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:13PM

              by Zinho (759) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @09:13PM (#367277)

              Someone please mod parent up; I meant to score it as "informative" and messed up.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:26AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:26AM (#367342)

              You do know that https://encyclopediadramatica.se/MikeeUSA [encyclopediadramatica.se] was written by Mr. USA himself, right?

              Some treasure trove you've "uncovered" there. Such a great investigator.

              The only thing "he" says is to repeat one verse of the old testament, over and over. But even doing so little, sends you off the deep end. Perhaps it is you who are the insane? Once upon a time it was those who hated the words written there that were locked up or killed.

              • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 29 2016, @06:27AM

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday June 29 2016, @06:27AM (#367417) Journal

                Yes, I know he wrote his own article, and it's crazier than a soap herring. Which is the ENTIRE REASON I LINKED IT; to show people that the guy's so far beyond sanity he thinks that half a dozen pages of barely-coherent amygdala-spew and pathetic "artwork" are something to be PROUD of. I have a way with words, but whenever possible I prefer to let my opponents' actions do the talking; nothing I could ever say or do would be as damning as his very own history. Unlike, say, JMorris, Mikee here is so completely unhinged that no one rational would be taken in by anything he says; he's loud, but ultimately harmless.

                PS: I suspect you are either a sock puppet pretending to marginally better grammar and spelling, or else a copycat or admirer. Both of these are rather queasy.

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                I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @10:43AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @10:43AM (#367497)

                  shure you knew, shure.

                  "Hey look guise this guy is no good, here are other people who agree!"

                  "Oh... he wrote one him self..."
                  "..."
                  "I MENT TO DO THAT!"

                  Smart one, you are.

                  You know, rather than huffing and puffing here, darling, you could be doing something similar to the person you are attacking does, say, oh, I, don't, know... programming and contributing to opensouce and libre software rather than just using men and their creations and patting yourself on the back for existing.

                  Na, wouldn't be your way tho.
                  What was I thinking?

                  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:41PM

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:41PM (#367538) Journal

                    You're terrible at this...not even trying to disguise your army of AC sockpuppets. If I keep poking you will you have a stroke and die?

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                    I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @10:49AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @10:49AM (#367500)

                  "Unlike, say, JMorris, Mikee here"
                  Whomever that is. Rivals you in notoriety I suppose.
                  (Some woman the great: supreme contributor at installing linux systems from DVD!)

                  "PS: I suspect you are either a sock puppet pretending to marginally better grammar and spelling, or else a copycat or admirer. Both of these are rather queasy."

                  Isn't it simple to find out. You stated earlier the ease at which location, occupation, etc could be discovered. So which is it? Sock puppet, admirer, copycat? Surely you know. I mean it's so easy. Proxies can't help!

                  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:57PM

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:57PM (#367548) Journal

                    Obviously sock puppet, and I didn't even need to get technical to figure that out. You, as the kiddies say, "have no chill." Your writing style is extremely distinctive and entirely too self-referential to hide behind; I don't think you could disguise yourself online if your life depended on it.

                    And your attempts to parry and redirect the buckets and buckets of scorn coming your way are pathetic. Learn something, Mikee: I don't do anything by halves. There is no fumbling-and-recovery sequence with me: even your reactions to my replies to your previous reactions are doing my work for me. The more you talk, the more completely ratshit nuts everyone seeing this knows you are. And you're so totally insane in the membrane that you just...keep...going...when you really ought to shut up and leave before someone with actual ill intent decides to get on your case.

                    This is common to whatever mental illness you've got, I find; I've dealt with people like you before. All I need to do is keep responding to you, and you'll do the work for me.

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                    I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:04PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:04PM (#367224)

          > by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 28, @01:01PM (#367151)

          >This guy's insane. Do a google search for him and read about the shit he's said. This is not just a case of being a loathsome individual; there is something broken in the way this man's mind works. I don't know if he's schizophrenic or "possessed" ("obsessed" or "overshadowed" is a better word...) or what, but...yeah. Nuttier than chipmunk testicles.

          Also the fact that my opensource software project has reached release 90 and has over 100 weapons suggests against your notion that I am a "dumbass" or "insane".
          What have you done for software-libre lately, cunt?

          Thread:
          https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=14115&cid=362873#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]

          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:27PM

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday June 28 2016, @07:27PM (#367239) Journal

            Saved a bunch of people serious heartache and wallet-ache, that's what. No one gives a shit about your stupid fucking game, man-child.

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            I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:21AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:21AM (#367340)

              I reiterate, you fucking cunt, :

              Also the fact that my opensource software project has reached release 90 and has over 100 weapons suggests against your notion that I am a "dumbass" or "insane".

              Answer the question cunt-who-should-be-executed.

              What have you done for software-libre lately, cunt?

              Answer the question cunt-who-should-be-executed.

              PS: I care about my "stupid fucking game".
              Only "stupid" and "fucking" because you, a cunt, haven't managed anything enjoyable.

              However, If you (a cunt) drew with a crayon on a napkin "OMG GREATEST OPENSOURCE FEMALE GAME DEVELOPER EVER, WMYN POWR! FUK MEN. BOMB AFGHANS (GRRLS NOT BRIDES!!!)". Or you could just zip up some packages and get a similar response.

              • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 29 2016, @06:35AM

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday June 29 2016, @06:35AM (#367420) Journal

                Fucking LOL, look at you! Looks like I hit a sore spot, making fun of your silly little FPS mods. I'm amazed THAT gets you all buttmad, but pointing out how completely crackers you are or how you most likely have a micropenis doesn't. That's some amazing priorities there, Mikee :)

                Hah, of COURSE making fun of your virtual guns annoys you; they're phallic substitutes. And Cthulhu knows you're too insane to hold down any sort of job that requires human interaction; what do you do for a living, anyway, work at a dock somewhere? Nightshift security guard? I'm actually morbidly curious.

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                I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @10:37AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @10:37AM (#367495)

                  du qcsrc/
                  du -h qcsrc/
                  ChaosEsque: 13752 qcsrc/
                                              14M qcsrc/
                  XonoticOfficial: 7176 qcsrc/
                  (ComparableRelease) 7.1M qcsrc/

                  ChaosEsque less items which are in attic
                  vs XonoticOfficial (recent)
                  (Items in attic which are unused)
                  13752 - 240
                  13512

                  As you can see, the mod, alone, has been extensive.

                  I have also contributed to 2d RPG (increasing it's world size by a 1/3rd with all my maps, and it's variety with my pixel art building sets), written text console game, and system admin tools and utilities.
                  I have contributed about 70 pieces of music, a similar number of 3d models, three texture packs, not to mention the game code, maps, and buildings.

                  All under free, libre, opensource licenses.

                  Yes, I have contributed.

                  And yes, 11k people "care" about my fork of xonotic.
                  But most importantly is I: I care and I enjoy what I make.

                  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:44PM

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:44PM (#367540) Journal

                    Okay, and? It's still less useful than being a clueful end-user who can do data recovery with the existing tools. You're basically sitting there jacking off and pushing out crappy Doom clones.

                    I think I found your sore point, Mikee :) This is the culmination of your being, isn't it? The closest thing you will ever have to a magnum opus. Your life's work. It's all downhill from here, huh? Pathetic. You're such a complete dysfunctional shut-in you can't handle interacting with people, can you?

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                    I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @08:53PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @08:53PM (#367724)

                      Criticize by releasing your own, better, "doom clone".

                      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 29 2016, @10:09PM

                        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday June 29 2016, @10:09PM (#367759) Journal

                        It's a criticism of you as a person, Mikee, not your work :) I'm sure it takes massive skill to do that; the issue is what you did with that skill.

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                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 03 2016, @08:23PM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 03 2016, @08:23PM (#369319)

                          Doom clones are a better use of time then Init clones or most other systems software. Also they are fun.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @10:46AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @10:46AM (#367499)

                  You stated earlier the ease at which a hacker cunt, such as yourself, could find out this information.

                  So get to it cunt.

                  It's surely as easy as installing a linux distribution and declaring you have contributed to libre-software (while mmmamaaallllleeessss who actually program, create media, music, etc etc, na they aren't doing shit. Typical cunt mentality, your kind are like animals. You should be killed).

                  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:41PM

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:41PM (#367536) Journal

                    Who said it was me? :) Other people with, shall we say, escalated access to the way SN works would do more with the information anyway. You seem kind of scared of the idea.

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                    I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:36AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:36AM (#367346)

              >Saved a bunch of people serious heartache and wallet-ache, that's what. No one gives a shit about your stupid fucking game, man-child.

              Read "I packaged and deployed some other maaalesss opensource projects, didn't write a page of code myself" proud Azuma Hazuki, doing what cunts do.

              • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 29 2016, @06:23AM

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday June 29 2016, @06:23AM (#367412) Journal

                Actually I use the stuff mostly for data recovery and, in some cases, setting up older folks with familiar-looking interfaces; getting Linux to look like Windows or Mac systems for people is a specialty of mine. With MS's shysty behavior concerning Windows 10, this is good timing; Plasma can look more like Windows than Windows itself has in half a decade, and it's possible to do a very convincing Mac-alike with Compiz, Plank, and the TopMenu plugins.

                This has certainly been more useful to the world at large than your--ahem--contribution to the world of F/OSS, Mr. FPS Mapmaker. Cry some more.

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                I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @10:30AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @10:30AM (#367494)

                  You install linux systems which other mmaalleess have packaged and other mmaalleess have __programmed__.

                  That is you.

                  I: record songs, make 3d models, pixel art, textures, 3d maps, and I __program__.

                  This is me.

                  You're just a cunt. You __use__ libre/opensource software. You do NOT contribute to it in any way.

                  However, being a cunt, just like all cunts, you see the fact that you "grace" our software with your cunt presence as "contribution enough".

                  I love it when you pieces of shit are killed, and it does happen.

                  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:48PM

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday June 29 2016, @12:48PM (#367543) Journal

                    Hey, I never made any claim to contribution to the code base. So what? It's not like it's some kind of law that Thou Shalt Write Open Source, That Thy Uptime In The Land May Be Long, And Thy IP Be Not Cut Off From Among Thy People. You may as well say doctors are useless because they only treat patients, not create new drugs.

                    This may surprise you, but some of us are actually able to function in the physical presence of other human beings, and provide services as well as or in addition to goods. We don't all have a Yuck Field with a 20m radius like you. Most of us, in fact, do not scare small animals and sensitives by simply existing and getting within range of them. Man, how solipsistic can you get? Sad little troll...

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                    I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @08:50PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 29 2016, @08:50PM (#367723)

                      You do not contribute to free software. That is all there is to it.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @02:26PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @02:26PM (#367070)

    "Justice Sonia Sotomayor joined Thomas' dissent in part"

    OMG. She's not quite pure evil.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:48PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @06:48PM (#367211)

      Sonia Sotomayor is a Latina. She want's men to be strong, not faggots.

      Unlike white womyn.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @05:29PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 28 2016, @05:29PM (#367166)

    i'm not going to read anything extra about any of this BS b/c i think war is a foregone conclusion but it seems they had to rule the way they did b/c the challenge to the law was wrongheaded. some stupid technicality about the intentions of the abusive act. who gives a shit about that! the problem is denying someone's constitutional right over a single crime. the bill of rights clearly said that repeat offenders/career degenerates and the known(read proven by acts) mentally unsound could be denied guns. this is why hillary wants to get your kids into the mental health system from an early age b/c she knows it causes Crazy and they will pass "common sense" laws denying gun rights based on some quack POS's diagnosis. make whatever laws you traitors want. the penalty for treason is death.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 03 2016, @06:31AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 03 2016, @06:31AM (#369093)

    ... and things can snowball as a result of provocation(s).

    Beware the Social Justice Warrior agendas - basically, to disarm (other) men.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20080307190458/http://www.fdv-93-005153.org/ [archive.org]

    ~childo

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 03 2016, @08:26PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 03 2016, @08:26PM (#369321)

      Americunt wishes to disarm white mmmaaalallleeeesss around the globe.

      To rule over them forever.