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The Turkish government continues to take action against soldiers and institutions after this month's failed coup attempt.
Amid a state of emergency, 45 newspapers, 16 television stations and three news agencies have been closed, state-run news agency Anadolu said Wednesday.
Anadolu said nearly 1,700 soldiers -- including 87 generals -- have been fired.
President Recep Tayyip Erdogan last week said actions were being taken to remove the "threat" raised during the attempt. Officials have fired or suspended tens of thousands as the government intensifies its vast purge.
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/27/world/turkey-failed-coup-media-soldiers/index.html
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(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @01:34AM
But with the media shutdown how will the trolls reach the comments sections?
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @01:35AM
Religion of peace?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @01:39AM
Seriously though, we've got Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler standins for Axis Powers 2017+ :) I'll let you figure out which best fits each character :)
(Score: 3, Informative) by JNCF on Friday July 29 2016, @02:00AM
we've got Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler standins for Axis Powers 2017+ :)
Yeah, because Russia was totally in the Axis. Here's that famous picture of Stalin with meeting his wartime allies Hitler and Mussolini. [ww2today.com]
(Score: 4, Informative) by butthurt on Friday July 29 2016, @02:32AM
You're exaggerating slightly, but there was a non-aggression pact between Germany and the USSR, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. I wouldn't say they were quite allies, but they did divide up much of Europe between them.
http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/german-soviet-nonaggression-pact [history.com]
picture of Stalin shaking hands with Ribbentrop:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H27337%2C_Moskau%2C_Stalin_und_Ribbentrop_im_Kreml.jpg [wikimedia.org]
cartoon of Ribbentrop kissing Stalin's hand, while Molotov looks on and claps:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mucha_8_Wrzesien_1939_Warszawa.jpg [wikimedia.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @03:40AM
(Score: 1) by butthurt on Friday July 29 2016, @04:33AM
That did put rather a damper on the pact, didn't it? Then the USSR joined the Allies and that brings us to today.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Unixnut on Friday July 29 2016, @09:42AM
And Italy switched sides when it became obvious the Nazis were losing the war.
Although from what I read of History. Stalin knew when they made the pact that Germany would invade eventually.
What it did do though, was give some time and breathing room for the USSR to rebuild its army after Stalin purged most of the military brass (actually very similar to what Erdogan is currently doing). It was a calculated sacrifice in order to get ready for the actual war. Had the USSR not signed the pact, the Nazis would have declared war much sooner, before the USSR was capable of defending itself. Germany would probably have had much more success on the eastern front, which could have given them far more resources to prosecute the war on other fronts, and maybe turn the tide of WWII in their favour.
Can't say it was nice, especially to the small countries in the middle, but realpolitik rarely is.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @11:49AM
Maybe, but I do not think USSR was capable of losing a conventional war at that time. The country is more epic than Afghanistan in its capacity to swallow invaders. Maybe extra 10 million Ruskies would have perished, but I doubt Stalin cared.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @09:50PM
Stalin supposedly said that each dead Russian is one less German bullet.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday July 29 2016, @02:00PM
Gotta throw my two cents in here. Without her number one ally, Russia probably would have lost to Germans. And, no, I'm not talking about the US, UK, or any other nation. Russia's primary ally was Old Man Winter. The damned fool Germans didn't understand what they were getting into, touring Russia in the winter. Russia put up a hell of a fight, but without winter to aid them, I don't think it would have been enough.
Otherwise, I agree with you.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Friday July 29 2016, @04:53PM
And Italy wasn't much of a factor in the war, anyways... Hitler used to basically cry over how bad Italy's armed forces were. They were cannon fodder, baby-sitting holes in between his defences, leaving his army to do the hard work.
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(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Friday July 29 2016, @04:56PM
Yeah, Putin and several others over there are probably eyeing Turkey for dinner.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @06:35AM
Yea, and you got 2 of those 3 stand-ins in the U.S. alone.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday July 29 2016, @01:42AM
Is Erdogan setting up his next coup?
He's going crazy with digging out any opposition, and punishing everyone. It seems a pretty sure thing that he's punished a lot of people who had nothing to do with the coup. The media, judges, teachers, soldiers - where does he draw any lines? Everyone is guilty, unless they can prove their innocence?
At some point, he is going to instigate the next coup.
That seems even more certain, if he forces through the death penalty. Erdogan is nuts, I can see him executing 100 people per day for a couple months.
If there is a successful coup, then what? What is the likelihood that ISIS/ISIL/DAESH won't try to capitalize on an unstable government in Ankara? For that matter, what about the Kurds?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @02:48AM
Search on "turkey coup false flag". Not saying it was, just a possibility that fits some of the facts.
(Score: 4, Touché) by Whoever on Friday July 29 2016, @03:26AM
Why should he worry about the next coup? His current coup is proceeding according to plan.
(Score: 2) by driverless on Friday July 29 2016, @09:20AM
What's the Turkish for "gleichshaltung"?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday July 29 2016, @01:49PM
Dunno. What's the English for "gleichshaltung"?
Ahhhh - got it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute [wikipedia.org] English translation: That queer thing nazis did with their arms instead of saluting.
(Score: 2) by driverless on Friday July 29 2016, @01:54PM
No, it's not the salute, it's the process whereby all dissent was suppressed and everyone in any kind of official position was made to conform to the party line.
How did you Google "gleichschaltung" (which leads to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleichschaltung) and end up with "Nazi salute"?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday July 29 2016, @02:14PM
Hmmmm - good question. I speak no German, of course. I clicked a page with gleichschaltung in the title, and wikipedia as part of the address. Looked legit to me. As the page loaded, I got a flash of the word Gleichschaltung as it appears on the page you link to. Just a momentary flash, and the page I linked to loaded instead. That makes me scratch my head - why did I get redirected in the middle of the page loading?
I probably should have realized that it was a redirect, since I did see the word I was searching for flash on and off the screen.
(Score: 2) by driverless on Saturday July 30 2016, @04:19AM
I speak no German, of course.
"I speak French to order expensive wine in restaurants, Spanish to communicate with the help, and German... you know, just in case". Although today that quote would say Chinese for the last one, unless Trump wins, in which case Russian.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @05:28PM
No, it's not the salute, it's the process whereby all dissent was suppressed and everyone in any kind of official position was made to conform to the party line.
Oh, so it's what both Trump and Clinton are doing within their own parties, then.
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Friday July 29 2016, @06:21PM
Cut him some slack. He's old.
(Score: 2) by arulatas on Friday July 29 2016, @01:43PM
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
----- 10 turns around
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Friday July 29 2016, @01:50AM
History teachers will soon nominate Erdogan for an award based on his contribution to lessons on "transition from secular democracy to authoritarian religious system while leveraging the realpolitik consequences of a strategic location".
I am amused at the jab from Obama's spokesperson, when asked about the coup, pointing out how the US is supportive of Turkish democracy (failing to name the parties involved).
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Gravis on Friday July 29 2016, @02:33AM
Turkey is on it's way toward a dictatorship, so it shouldn't be much of a surprise if Erdogan makes himself "president" for life or jails the opposition before the next election.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @11:29AM
Relax, he's just preparing his democratic nation to join the EU.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @11:46AM
To be fair, not a lot of Europeans want Turkey in. It's just the ruling class who want to use them as brown fodder.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @12:45PM
Two quotes from the man.
"Democracy is like a train: when you reach your destination, you get off."
"You cannot be both secular and a Muslim! You will either be a Muslim, or secular! When both are together, they create reverse magnetism [i.e.they repel one another]. For them to exist together is not a possibility! Therefore, it is not possible for a person who says "I am a Muslim" to go on and say "I am secular, too." And why is that? Because Allah, the creator of the Muslim, has absolute power and rule!"
(google Erdogan democracy is a train)
His agenda seems evil to my eyes, but I can see that it may be the opposite to others.
If the citizens of Turkey elected him after he said this, then is that not their right?
On the other hand, if they chose this path, then if the path causes mayhem outside the country, then those same citizens should be held accountable.
(Which is a bit awkward as long as Turkey remains a member of NATO.)
The question is, did the citizens actually choose this path, or did he steal the election and fake the coup?
An actual, clear evidence trail would be really useful here.
So, where are the TLA's when they might be useful?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday July 29 2016, @02:09PM
I believe Erdogan got right around 70% of the vote. Typical fraudulent elections claim anywhwere from 91 to 99%. (They rarely claim 100% for some reason.)
I think the Turks have asked for what they've got right now. Witness the fact that civilians stood up to prevent military members in on the coup from moving ahead. Good or bad, Turks seem to like Erdogan - now at least.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday July 29 2016, @02:35PM
Voting to abandon democracy seems like one of those things where you should require at least a 2/3 majority :P
Otherwise congratulations, you're probably in the 49% who get fucked over.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"