New Zealand will attempt to eradicate rats and other unwanted predators by 2050:
An isolated archipelago, New Zealand once hosted almost 200 bird species, many of them, like the iconic kiwi, having become flightless over generations because of a lack of natural predators. But several recently introduced species, such as rats, possums, and weasellike carnivores called stoats, now kill about 25 million of these native birds every year. Yesterday, the country's prime minister, John Key, announced a $20 million commitment of seed money to set up Predator Free New Zealand Ltd., a company that would lead the charge in ridding the nation of the three mammals and five other foreign predators by 2050. Until now, similar eradication efforts by the country have focused on small islands; those efforts boast a 90% success rate in eliminating rodents, says James Russell, a conservation biologist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand. The new goal, Russell says, is "the modern equivalent to landing someone on Mars" and will ultimately require new technologies and billions of dollars to succeed. But he is optimistic because local communities and organizations, which could foot a large portion of the total bill, are on board.
[...] Also, once eliminated, rats will likely keep coming back in, Merrill notes. "They can do it if they can prevent the rats from jumping off the boats," he predicts. Russell says that's doable. "We are currently close to a 100% success rate in intercepting new mammal arrivals on the islands." New Zealand's track record on its smaller islands bodes well, Martin says. "This challenge is of mind-blowing proportions, but if anyone can do it, the New Zealanders can."
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @07:11AM
I don't see any rats mentioned in the Treaty of Waitangi. Get the hell out, illegal immigrants!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @08:55PM
Sorry for modding this down. I'm a white person and I misunderstood at first.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday August 01 2016, @09:38PM
I'm sure I can find someone to claim It's not harder to build a wall between NZ and New Caledonia than it is to build one inside the Rio Grande.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @07:12AM
And Obama, don't forget Obama, he can too (in his plural of majesty).
(Score: 3, Informative) by butthurt on Monday August 01 2016, @07:16AM
The article doesn't mention cats. I've heard that cats sometimes kill both birds and rats. If rats are disappeared but cats and birds remain, it seems likely that the cats would hunt birds more assiduously.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @07:29AM
It should have mentioned cats as in "the cats out of the bag" and there is no getting it back in. I can't think of a single place where an invasive species been defeated.
(Score: 5, Funny) by c0lo on Monday August 01 2016, @07:40AM
Bikini atoll springs to mind.
Safer from orbit for the size of NZ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 1) by Derf the on Monday August 01 2016, @11:57AM
Well, here's the latest place...
http://milliondollarmouse.org.nz/ [milliondollarmouse.org.nz]
There are literally 100's of places around here; islands for example...
http://www.doc.govt.nz/nature/habitats/offshore-islands/ecological-restoration-of-offshore-islands/ [doc.govt.nz]
But for the really big story let us unleash this tech...
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/201804139/rob-knight-engineering-pests [radionz.co.nz]
[this summary has the link to a very good interview, well worth the following]
I'm for it but I do think we will need some off switch of some kind to contain any damage emenating from the over zealous who may shift some individuals into ecosystems we DON'T want them removed from.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday August 01 2016, @01:08PM
http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/01/06/036103 (though it's been known to be false for a while, it was being called a "fake fact" back in 2014. And since when were counts the appropriate way of measuring whether we're "more" of one thing than the other? That's as meaningful as "there are more insects than bricks in your house" - how is mass not the more sensible measure?)
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2, Touché) by Derf the on Monday August 01 2016, @09:48PM
Thus you think the concept proposed is technically unachievable?
That because you do not trust his judgement you think we should not use CRISPR to ensure Y chromosome dominance in a population of an invasive vertebrata (vertebrata which is presently responsible for the imminent world-wide extinction of several species) and thus the local extinction of the species without the otherwise resulting mass poisonings, collateral poisonings, immune resistance, behaviour modification(eg bait shyness), mind boggling expenditure and likely programme failure?
I can think of some reasons for being extremely careful of selfish-gene Y chromosome dominance releases, as I previously mentioned, but a scientists interview skills|techniques is not one of them.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday August 01 2016, @10:25PM
No, I simply think he's unreliable. Somebody reliable, someone who cared about correctness, would not a fake fact that that simply slip past. Which is why I worded my complaint about him the way that I did - I can't trust him. That's what science is about, it's about not trusting people. If he's open enough about what he wants to test, then independent replication studies can be performed simultaniously. Eventually.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 1) by Derf the on Tuesday August 02 2016, @01:24PM
It's just that a many 1000 fold decrease in cost and freedom from future funding risks, as the costs, such as they are, are almost entirely up front seemed to me to be among several of the ideas brought forward that are significantly more important than her throw away line, and thus warranting some comment... unless your distrust was such that you then didn't believe in any of the modelling or basic science done and presented, hence the "thus ".
(Score: 2) by WalksOnDirt on Monday August 01 2016, @04:31PM
The largest island freed of rats that I know of is South Georgia island. They did this by spreading poison around. This may not be desirable in New Zealand.
(Score: 3, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday August 02 2016, @01:02AM
They did this by spreading poison around. This may not be desirable in New Zealand.
We do it all the time. NZ is the world's largest user of 1080 poison which we air-drop into forests to kill off predators.
Here's a press release that explains it quite well. [doc.govt.nz]
Let's be quite clear though, the New Zealand government has no intention of trying to eradicate rats and other pests, they are attempting to win the next election.
They announced an extra $28 million of new spending on this, but I can't find any confirmation that it actually is new money. Usually when they say "new money" it's really just taken from somewhere else. Also $28 million is not even a tiny start on the problem.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday August 01 2016, @07:30AM
I was about to suggest foxes, but then I recalled the atto-foxes [wikipedia.org] - dem foxes are pretty resilient.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @07:36AM
you want to kill kittens? seriously? you expect a politician to go on TV and say "I want to kill kittens".
on second thought, I think Trump could do that.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @07:39AM
Release the sexual predators. Fuck the pussies to death.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday August 01 2016, @07:45AM
Not a problem in OzLand [theaustralian.com.au] - you can even get re-elected and receive a ministry.
I suspect neither the kiwi cousins would see anything wrong with that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Monday August 01 2016, @08:03AM
No need to do it yourself. You know, every time you masturbate, god kills a kitten. So all you need is a national masturbation campaign. ;-)
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 3, Informative) by butthurt on Monday August 01 2016, @09:02AM
I should have realised that efforts to kill (euphemistically, "cull") or sterilise cats were already underway. For example, such an effort was successful on New Zealand's Little Barrier Island. [researchgate.net]
It could be that Predator Free New Zealand wishes to avoid duplication of effort.
Surprisingly, killing cats was found, in one study, to increase the local feline population. This however happened on a large landmass where new cats could move into the area as mature, dominant cats were killed.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/273508911_Effects_of_low-level_culling_of_feral_cats_in_open_populations_A_case_study_from_the_forests_of_southern_Tasmania [researchgate.net]
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday August 01 2016, @07:18AM
Yersinia pestis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @12:34PM
Or even better, tainted pizza because rats like pizza [youtube.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @07:35AM
It's the only way to be sure.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @07:50AM
No need for it, even TFS suggests the solution. Here it is:
Just make sure the kiwis are spread evenly over the islands and make them think of the challenge - combined with a thick skull, mind-blowing is bound to make some damage.
(Score: 2) by wonkey_monkey on Monday August 01 2016, @08:08AM
Hah. I thought it said hats.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @01:05PM
https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=16/07/28/0232201 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @08:29AM
Think about how expensive it will be just to have effective measures to stop rats from getting out of foreign ships, planes etc and into NZ. And how expensive it would be to hunt down every last rat in the whole country (that includes in the forests, cliffs etc).
BTW I bet a cat kills more birds than a rat. There are probably more rats than cats now but still, rats don't really kill birds for fun whereas cats do.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday August 01 2016, @10:05AM
There's no mistake; the amount of money they are initially funding this project is middling. The article says that they expect to increase funding to the magnitude of billions over time... and make the locals pay for it.
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(Score: 2) by Reziac on Tuesday August 02 2016, @03:20AM
The big difference is that while cats kill some birds, rats climb into nests and eat eggs and hatchlings -- which can eliminate a species in just a couple generations.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday August 02 2016, @04:25AM
This is true.
The North Island Brown Kiwi is big enough to fight off a rat when it is mature, but chicks can't, so eggs are removed from nests and hatched. Then when the chicks are old enough, they are released.
This seems to be working, to some degree, and numbers are increasing in places.
Also, there's some video (which I can't search for at the moment) of a Kiwi kicking the living shit out of a possum who was attempting to raid his nest. Awesome.
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Monday August 01 2016, @08:34AM
next: politicians.
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @09:53AM
No, they are first.
Read the title again
(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @09:36AM
Bart accidentally released Bolivian tree lizards.
Principle Skinner: Well, I was wrong; the lizards are a godsend.
Lisa: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?
Skinner: No problem. We simply release wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.
Lisa: But aren't the snakes even worse?
Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.
Lisa: But then we're stuck with gorillas!
Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.
(Score: 3, Touché) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Monday August 01 2016, @09:49AM
the modern equivalent to landing someone on Mars
Because landing on Mars is just so old-fashioned.
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Monday August 01 2016, @03:02PM
No, it means it won't happen for a long time, if ever. ;-)
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday August 01 2016, @10:32AM
Every rat is dead and decomposing. They are gone. Not one rat left. So, then, do we close all the seaports and airports? Sooner or later, a ship is going to tie up at a dock, and it's population of rats will send forth some explorers. That is the nature of "invasive" species, after all.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday August 01 2016, @12:08PM
I put the last paragraph in the summary for a reason:
Do we believe this? Maybe. I think the rate could rise from say, 98% to 99.9% by implementing advanced scanning technologies. I'm not talking about what exists now, but what is available around 2050. It would probably be a better reason to spend the money than cargo ship anti-terrorism (explosives detection, etc). There may even be some overlap.
Some rats and other critters inevitably make it through the port. That's where the (rat?) surveillance program comes in:
Stop snitching! Err... I mean, sure, this program might work better in Canada than New Zealand because of the climate, but at least it is another layer of defense. Again, it is likely to be improved by the low-cost sensors available by 2050.
A program that can help safeguard both tourism and agriculture is probably a good idea.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @11:24AM
Alberta, Canada has a very successful rat program. I've never seen a rat in Edmonton nor anywhere else in Alberta in the 30+ years I've lived here.
I once heard about some coming in on a truck once... it made the news and the rat patrol took care of them asap.
Alberta is mentioned in the Ratatouie blue-ray featurette... "My Friend the Rat". 4:50 mark.
https://youtu.be/72KsjWUCUJQ?t=4m52s [youtu.be]
Once eradicated it should be easier for NZ to keep them out... ?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @12:45PM
This anti-New Yorker shit has got to stop. New Yorkers are people, too. Right?
(Score: 4, Informative) by Capt. Obvious on Monday August 01 2016, @05:58PM
No, a lot of them are bankers.