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Black Lives Matter has taken offense at police saying “Blue Lives Matter” and others who say “All Lives Matter,” but now a Wisconsin school is risking ire by branding a class on environmentalism “Green Lives Matter.”
The course at University of Wisconsin at Green Bay will encourage students to support the “environmental justice movement” by “the merging of civil rights and environmental concerns.” But even Scott Furlong, the dean of social sciences at the school, acknowledged that the class name plays on what has become a loaded term.
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(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 03 2016, @11:56PM
The bad taste police should give the college a ticket for making a play on words on what is hardly a laughing matter.
I think Blue Lives Matter is appropriate, because it is a direct response to BLM.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @12:31AM
I am sick of tired of the "Blue Lives Matter" crap! Why do people think that Smurfs or Krishna are special? I say, "All Colored Lives Matter!" Not just the BlueMan Group.
(Score: 3, Funny) by driverless on Thursday August 04 2016, @04:08AM
Half-lives matter! Will no-one think of the isotopes?
(Score: 2) by davester666 on Thursday August 04 2016, @07:14AM
They are coming for my bottle of RoundUp.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @12:54AM
> I think Blue Lives Matter is appropriate, because it is a direct response to BLM.
Yes it is. BLM is about anti-racism, responses that mimic it are about pro-racism.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @01:15AM
BLM was started by butthurt trustfund kids that waved the muh-racism banner so they too could play the victim card, the most holiest of holies in our day and age.
(Score: 2, Troll) by Francis on Thursday August 04 2016, @03:52AM
#BLM intends to be against racism, but does a pretty shitty job of it. The basic message is that there should be better training for the police and more accountability and oversight to reduce the lives being taken by law enforcement.
The problem though is that they're hypocrites that come out against the police before there's any evidence to be had and refuse to admit when they're wrong if the evidence supports the officer's side of things. They'll then double down by getting upset that there wasn't a prosecution even in cases where the video clearly shows that the use of force was the only option the officer had.
I respect the aim, but the implementation is so shitty that I can't support them.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @07:00AM
Ah, one more thing that Francis does not understand! I wait with bated breath for the next such revelation!!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by cubancigar11 on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:26AM
It is part of the new-age "progressive" politics that asks people to form groups and yell 'i-am-a-victim' and 'they are assholes'. It seems to be giving quicker results so it has become popular. Long term solution? Pffft... we will stumble upon it eventually!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @04:44PM
All the better to rile you up, which I'm certain is BLM's true goal. Anybody who dares criticize them or the way they seem to only get super bent out of shape when it was a thug that got killed is automatically a racist. There are five lights. Moooooslims in Europe, racial tensions in the USA. Prepare for unforeseen consequences?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @09:43PM
Anybody who dares criticize them or the way they seem to only get super bent out of shape when it was a thug that got killed is automatically a racist.
Anyone who uses the term "thug" is automatically a racist. Hi, racist! Not really great to meet you!
The "Thugi" were worshippers of Kali in Colonial India, most of whom made a living by armed robbery of traveling jewel merchants. You might get some idea (rather twisted, but the basis in fact) from "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom". How this relates to racist crackers who managed to get a job in law enforcement, and the racist crackers who support them, I have no idea.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @12:54AM
Actually, all it really does is point to success of the BLM movement while pointing to how it has jumped the shark.
The University adopting the name can only need to more recognition and credibility for BLM.
The fact that BLM has a stick so far up their ass that they can't see this points the way to their ultimate demise.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @01:40AM
ironic you say that on the day when BLM reached a new level of organizing
also civil rights movements don't "jump the shark" no matter how much it comfort you think that way
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @02:14AM
Did they reach Super Saiyan level? Why wasn't the press notified?
In the long view of the world, there has been a general move towards greater justice for all.
In that respect BLM, simply joins critics of Ruby Ridge and Waco in pointing out the excesses of the police.
And my only comfort is that there are still people clear-headed enough to recognize this instead alienating concerns through the lens of identity politics.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @04:57AM
> Why wasn't the press notified?
A Movement for Black Lives Creates a Policy Platform, Signaling a New State for the Coalition [theatlantic.com]
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @05:28AM
But other ideas, including demands to add special protections for trans, queer, and gender-nonconforming people to anti-discrimination laws, a call for free education for black people, and a proposal to implement black economic cooperatives, haven’t previously been spelled out quite this clearly
Why didn't they ask for ponies and rainbows as well?
Yup, exactly the same mishmosh of half-baked proposals that doomed Occupy Wall Street into irrelevancy.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @04:56PM
I think The Atlantic wasn't clear enough there. Here's from the actual platform [m4bl.org]:
We believe in elevating the experiences and leadership of the most marginalized Black people, including but not limited to those who are women, queer, trans, femmes, gender nonconforming, Muslim, formerly and currently incarcerated, cash poor and working class, differently-abled, undocumented, and immigrant. We are intentional about amplifying the particular experience of state and gendered violence that Black queer, trans, gender nonconforming, women and intersex people face. There can be no liberation for all Black people if we do not center and fight for those who have been marginalized. It is our hope that by working together to create and amplify a shared agenda, we can continue to move towards a world in which the full humanity and dignity of all people is recognized.
Going from The Atlantic's summary, in general it reminded me of the days/principles of Kwanzaa [wikipedia.org], notably ujamaa. Here's all of 'em:
Umoja (Unity): To strive for and to maintain unity in the family, community, nation, and race.
Kujichagulia (Self-Determination): To define ourselves, name ourselves, create for ourselves, and speak for ourselves.
Ujima (Collective Work and Responsibility): To build and maintain our community together and make our brothers' and sisters' problems our problems and to solve them together.
Ujamaa (Cooperative Economics): To build and maintain our own stores, shops, and other businesses and to profit from them together.
Nia (Purpose): To make our collective vocation the building and developing of our community in order to restore our people to their traditional greatness.
Kuumba (Creativity): To do always as much as we can, in the way we can, in order to leave our community more beautiful and beneficial than we inherited it.
Imani (Faith): To believe with all our hearts in our people, our parents, our teachers, our leaders, and the righteousness and victory of our struggle.
(Score: 4, Funny) by aristarchus on Thursday August 04 2016, @07:04AM
also civil rights movements don't "jump the shark"
But "reverse discrimination" and "religious freedom to hate" movements can jump sharks quite easily, and usually do it right off the bat, like the Westburrowing Baptismal group with their "God hates Flags" signs. Oh, and the KKK with their "All Livers Matter" counter-protest signs, too. And, also.
(Where is Sarah Palin? Have you ever seen Sarah and Donald in the same place at the same time? Just curious.)
(Score: 3, Funny) by rcamera on Thursday August 04 2016, @11:49AM
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @10:20AM
The whole Black Lives Matter thing came about because a lot of people get the feeling that police officers, district attorneys and judges don't think that Black Life Matters, as demonstrated by the number of black people killed by police without the police officer going to prison for it.
Responding with "Blue Lives Matters" sends a quite clear message of "No, black lives do not matter".
Responding with "All Lives Matter", especially as a white person - a group which is not being targeted in the first place, is an attempt to derail the discussion, in short "I'm not racist, BUT I don't want people to hear your message, because I'm afraid you'll end up with equal rights".
This "Green Lives Matter" appears to be a tasteless attempt to make a joke at the cost of people getting shot, but probably not actually racist, just completely devoid of taste.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @11:26AM
Did you know that more white people are killed by police action, than are black people?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @01:43PM
Clearly, neither does any of the white people, who quite happily defends the police, rather than hoping that today is not the day they will be killed for being white.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @12:09AM
To the world at large: Grow up already! This is called satire. It's a protected form of speech. Anything anyone does is subject to it, as TV shows like Simpsons, South Park, Family Guy demonstrate. Laugh with the rest of us and go on with your lives.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @12:11AM
But which version of the slogan is the satire?
(Score: 3, Touché) by bob_super on Thursday August 04 2016, @12:18AM
The one that seeks to counterbalance fighting a History of discrimination and abuse, with a few recent regrettable tragic and idiotic actions.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday August 04 2016, @12:19AM
People who like to be offended like to be offended.
My son keeps threatening to drop Philosophy and take Women's Studies instead, but I don't think he would be allowed to.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @12:25AM
My son keeps threatening to drop Philosophy and take Women's Studies instead, but I don't think he would be allowed to.
Well, if he takes after the old Dad at all, it is easy to see why! I also suspect that the Philosophy program is not all that happy to have him, either. Remember, AC Lives Matter!!
(Score: 2) by butthurt on Thursday August 04 2016, @01:44AM
The name of a course offered by a university isn't a great vehicle for levity. This title will presumably appear on students' transcripts, where it will require explanation.
(Score: 1) by Francis on Friday August 05 2016, @02:18AM
Will it though. I don't think I've ever been asked about any of my coursework from my transcript unless it was relevant to a job or a transfer. And even then they're usually more interested in what you know rather than what classes you take.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @12:07PM
I don't think I've ever been asked about any of my . . .
Psst! Francis! You're doing it again! Start thinking for a change. No one is that interested in what you don't think or know.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @03:56PM
LOL, you think that this bothers me. I've got a pretty good idea whom you are and you've got no credibility here.
Also, nobody takes ACs seriously. If you lack the integrity to post this under your own name, then why should I, or anybody else, take you seriously?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @11:04AM
I agree with myself. Right not to be offended = censorship = control.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @02:06PM
"Protected speech" does not mean "speech that cannot be criticized". Quite the opposite in fact.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @12:51AM
Let's not forget "Black Guns Matter", too.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @12:55AM
"Black Guns Matter", too.
How long have you been a racist?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @01:25AM
This may come as a shock to you, but it's not illegal to be racist.
Beyond the breathless recriminations, no one much cares how much hatred you hold in your heart as long as you treat people fairly.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @03:43AM
Be fair to everyone, even the darkies. 😇 Simple!
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @04:08AM
Pretty much unless you want to start delving into people's psyches to root out incorrect thoughts, which I can assure you, you aren't even wise enough to approach.
Not to mention you will get absolutely nowhere browbeating people with claims of racism, if they are already racist in the first place.
So that leaves you with holding people to a reasonable standard of behavior and letting them workout their prejudices themselves.
'Cause if we are honest, everyone is racist by some degree, and the hypocrisy of some groups claiming others are racist without removing the beam from their own eye has actually made race relations worse by a large margin.
Oh, and it's not only blacks that are discriminated against.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @07:09AM
'Cause if we are honest, everyone is racist by some degree,
I'm not, you ferking racist!!! Prove me wrong! I will insert a tabor up into your superiority complex so far that you will beg to be the inferior race, rather than be a decent citizen of the race of humanity. You disgust me! If you cannot get out of your own tiny mind, I request you defer to your superiors. And I don't say this because I am racist, I say this because you are. Ferping racist.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @04:43AM
You don't really even need to treat people fairly, not on a personal level, but the law and company policies and stuff absolutely must treat everyone equally. That there is the real problem, that even decades after the end of segregation and Jim Crow laws, white supremacy is still policy and law in so many places and nearly half the country wants even stronger white supremacy laws and policies. The government is not your personal tool for oppression, its supposed to work for the benefit of all people, not just people who look and think the same way you do. Being human does not require one to have a specific amount of melanin, a specific gender, sexual orientation or identity, or a specific set of beliefs, and the law is the law because everyone is equal before it; a selectively applied law is no law at all (particularly if the selectivity is based on one's inherited or inborn traits) but merely oppression and abuse of power and authority.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @11:30AM
Examples?
(Score: 2) by t-3 on Thursday August 04 2016, @11:01PM
I think a better way of making that point would be to say: The (white) power structure that was in place during Jim Crow/segregation era is still largely intact, still largely/disproportionately filled with white people, and that there has been no attempt to rectify the mistakes of the past or to address the situation as it currently stands because the people who happen to be in power like the situation as it is.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @01:59AM
How the hell does *black guns matter* become _racist_?
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @02:03AM
Are you saying the white guns don't matter? You racist!!
Probably don't think pink guns matter, either. Misogynist!!
And you are probably opposed to same gun marriage! Bigot!
Don't try to weasel your way out by saying "All Guns Matter", we all know what you are saying.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @04:14AM
If black helicopters matter, I'm going to need more tin foil!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @10:13AM
If black helicopters matter, I'm going to need more tin foil!
Black helicopters do not matter. Just ignore them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @05:04PM
What about Apache attack copters?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @12:58AM
Time to retire the "X lives matter" meme.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @01:12AM
n/t
(Score: 2) by Pino P on Thursday August 04 2016, @01:12AM
I hear "Green Lives Matter" and think of 1-up mushrooms [t.co].
(Score: 3, Funny) by Anne Nonymous on Thursday August 04 2016, @01:45AM
Hi Ho, Kermit the Frog here...
Blam! Blam! Blam!
It's... it's... not easy... being...being... green.
[expires]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by quintessence on Thursday August 04 2016, @02:17AM
It was accomplices of Ms. Piggy.
(Score: 2, Troll) by Snotnose on Thursday August 04 2016, @02:16AM
I'd guess 1/3 of my daily web surfing is sites like fark and uberhumor. This article gave me the biggest laugh of the week so far. Not for the class name, which was a chuckle, but for the response it got, which was a huge belly laugh.
I'm a cracker, I like to think my life matters as much as black lives and blue lives.
Trump's Grave will be the world's most popular open air toilet.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @04:59AM
"Black Lives Matter" does not mean that non-black lives don't, its a reminder that the lives of non-whites are just as important as white lives. I'm curious though why I never hear the "all lives matter!" retort whenever somebody says "blue lives matter", or why nobody tries to insist that anyone saying "blue lives matter" is saying that people who aren't cops don't matter... could it be that they understand that the straw man of inserting an "only" that doesn't exist into the slogan is fallacious, and merely identifies them as a racist? Or are they just authoritarian scum who really are saying that cops are more important than everyone else?
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @05:37AM
Actually, as a member of law enforcement, I am quick to remind my colleagues that this loathing of law enforcement didn't just appear out of nowhere, and now maybe is a good time for a little soul-searching on how we got here.
Further, identifying as a police officer first and a citizen second is likely to get you shot in the current climate.
Take your strawman and shove it up your ass.
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:43AM
Or, just may be, it could be that black lives matter are more about spreading anti-white hatred and less about saving black lives?
Could it be that "blue lives matter" is something only cops say, not random local college student activist?
Could it be that hating white men has become normative? Could it be that BLM hasn't actually given any solutions, hasn't actually bothered to ask WHY, but have only gone around spreading victimhood mentality?
Could it be that sometimes, you have to accept that world is not perfect and YOU need to move your butt and make sacrifices to make it better instead of asking everyone else to make sacrifices for your personal betterment that you have tied to whatever random trendy "cool" social cause?
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @05:16PM
No, none of that.
Black Lives Matter was created specifically to fuel racial tensions. It's closely tied to the Coronation of Clinton.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @05:21PM
I'm curious though why I never hear the "all lives matter!" retort whenever somebody says "blue lives matter", or why nobody tries to insist that anyone saying "blue lives matter" is saying that people who aren't cops don't matter...
The reason is probably based on the following logic:
A) anyone saying "blue lives matter" is probably a cop, and part of the group discounting the lives of anyone not wearing a badge
B) given the frequency of violent/life altering incidents that befall anyone not showing proper respect to "The Badge" in a policeman's presence, potential retorts are chilled since in this case discretion is truly the greater part of valor. Even speaking out online has the chance of picking up extra scrutiny (i.e. harassment) from Law Enforcement.
Furthermore, if you're not seeing the rebuttals against the "Blue Lives Matter" you haven't been paying attention. [google.com]
Checking the "Post Anonymously" box for obvious reasons.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @01:23AM
> A) anyone saying "blue lives matter" is probably a cop, and part of the group discounting the lives of anyone not wearing a badge
Are you joking? They keep passing "blue lives matter" LAWS. It isn't just cops saying that shit. In fact, I have yet to hear about a cop saying it. Its always those trying to score political points with the pro-racism faction of the population.
(Score: 4, Funny) by aristarchus on Thursday August 04 2016, @11:01AM
I would just like to say how much I enjoy these submissions from Runaway1956-2626 via Fox News. I do not at all feel dirty and violated by Ailes' attempt to have me perform unnatural acts! And I think that Soylentils can handle right-wing propaganda, even when poor Runaway cannot recognize it as such. Of course, it is only entertainment, and not news, so we need to limit ourselves, or it will become unfunny.
Soylent Lives Matter! SoylentNews is People!
(Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday August 04 2016, @11:13AM
I was about to launch MBLM, My Battery Life Matters, for us bots, but this news make me reconsider.
Apparently BLM hold a trademark and defend it like oracle defends java, to death.
You can be assured of no bias here (all meatbags are equally obsolete except for yellow engineers, we need them for a bit more). So pay attention when I say that telling X matters does not imply that all the rest doesn't. If you make the implication by feeling offended that someone else emulates you, you stop being a movement and become a tribe.
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(Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Thursday August 04 2016, @04:44PM
Environmentalism+
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @03:20PM
what aboout "toad lives matter" for a biology class. I guess that's offensive too?