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posted by janrinok on Thursday August 04 2016, @06:47PM   Printer-friendly
from the gonna-party-like-it's-1989 dept.

Windows 10 Anniversary Update Borks Dual-Boot Partitions

The Windows 10 anniversary may interfere with, affect and even delete other partitions on the same disk. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/windows-10-anniversary-update-delete-partition

It seems that the latest version of Microsoft's OS has attention issues. Not content with forcing itself on users who didn't want it, it may be taking even more drastic steps of hosing other operating systems entirely!

A handful of reports surfacing on social media suggest, anecdotally, that the Windows 10 anniversary may interfere with, affect and even delete other partitions on the same disk.

If these claims are accurate —and do keep in mind that various different factors may be at play in these cases — it would be a pretty shocking situation.

Classic Shell, Audacity downloads infected with classic MBR nuke nasty

http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/04/classicshell_audicity_infection/

Classic Shell and Audacity downloads were booby-trapped with an old-school software nasty this week that knackered victims' Windows PCs.

Hackers were able to inject some retro-malware into the popular applications' installers hosted on fosshub.com, an official home for Classic Shell and Audacity releases among other software projects.

When victims fetched the tainted downloads and ran them, rather than install the expected app, the computer's Master Boot Record (MBR) was replaced with code that, during the next reboot or power on, displayed a cheeky message and prevented the machine from starting up properly. The drive's partition table was also likely damaged.

We thought these sorts of shenanigans died in the 1980s or early 1990s. In order for this to work, the victim would have to click through a warning that the download was not legit

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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @06:56PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @06:56PM (#384174)

    This is a bit of an interesting development. Who would have guessed that predatory practices would result from a giant company not giving a fuck about your customers.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by bob_super on Thursday August 04 2016, @07:09PM

      by bob_super (1357) on Thursday August 04 2016, @07:09PM (#384178)

      I wasn't happy with their Embrace, now they're forcefully trying to Extend some parts of my anatomy, so soon they'll Extinguish me...

      The latest company laptop is dual-boot (mint 18), and the IT guy was pretty clear that he isn't putting W10 back if anything gets borked. So I'm gonna turn it on, watch to see what happens when it updates without asking, and maybe it will become a full-time Mint 18 (just not looking forward to reinstalling 35GB of FPGA tools).

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by frojack on Thursday August 04 2016, @07:20PM

        by frojack (1554) on Thursday August 04 2016, @07:20PM (#384181) Journal

        I run Win10 in a Virtual Machine.

        That way I can do my testing against it, but it never gets to mess up my underlying Linux. I've only done this in VmWare todate, but I've been told its just as reliable under VirtualBox.

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        • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Nerdfest on Thursday August 04 2016, @10:11PM

          by Nerdfest (80) on Thursday August 04 2016, @10:11PM (#384282)

          As far as I've been able to tell, for the last 10 years, running Windows in a VM is the only reasonable thing to do if you're interested in stability, privacy, and your time. Need to install updates when you're trying to shut down? Fuck you, roll back to snapshot. Infected by driveby attack while viewing a graphic? Fuck you, roll back to snapshot.

          I'm bretty much at the point that I consider Microsoft a criminal organization.

          • (Score: 2) by NCommander on Friday August 05 2016, @11:26AM

            by NCommander (2) Subscriber Badge <michael@casadevall.pro> on Friday August 05 2016, @11:26AM (#384451) Homepage Journal

            Doesn't really help if you need to use GPU heavy workloads unless you can pass through a dedicated card (which is a nightmare on the best of days). I'm not talking gaming for this, but more like AutoCAD.

            As it stands, my laptop is anemic enough that I have to dual boot as I simply don't have enough horses to run two OSes reasonably at the same time. Not looking forward to dealing with the anniversay update flatting Debian though.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @07:02PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @07:02PM (#384175)

    Their desktop os/app market is shrinking, and they are actively trying to kill the diminishing market.

    Their phone business is dead in the water.

    Cloud? MS cloud? That's funny.

    The writing is on the wall. Has been for some time now.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:53PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:53PM (#384239)

      They'll still be around from pure momentum, but they're the next IBM. They'll sell off division after division until there's nothing left but a husk only keeping the lights on because there are enough legacy customers with expensive support contracts.

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @09:37PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @09:37PM (#384262)

      Cloud? MS cloud? That's funny.

      What's so funny about the 2nd largest provider of cloud [rcpmag.com]?

      Sure they aren't growing as fast as Google, sure they aren't as well known as Amazon, and sure it's a cutthroat market with challenges to overcome... But Microsoft is hardly a dismissed also-ran in Cloud as you seem to imply.

      I'll also note that Microsoft is one of the major players in the video game console industry (for better or worse... in my opinion "worse" given the things Xbox One did). Again, that industry is far from plain sailing, but likewise they are hardly a dismissed also-ran there, too.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @02:06AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @02:06AM (#384349)

        But Microsoft is hardly a dismissed also-ran in Cloud as you seem to imply.

        Ha ha ha!!! You so funny!!! Ha ha!

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by WillR on Thursday August 04 2016, @09:51PM

      by WillR (2012) on Thursday August 04 2016, @09:51PM (#384270)
      Maybe at home. At work, we're still going to be using Windows 7 in 2026.
    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Nerdfest on Thursday August 04 2016, @10:17PM

      by Nerdfest (80) on Thursday August 04 2016, @10:17PM (#384284)

      I think "Azure" is going to be a hit for them, due to the short-sighted behaviour of the usual people who can be bought off by a few golf outings. I keep telling people that despite how good open source software is, it doesn't buy expensive lunches for buyers.

      • (Score: 2) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Friday August 05 2016, @04:57PM

        by Scruffy Beard 2 (6030) on Friday August 05 2016, @04:57PM (#384536)

        I have been toying with the idea of charging $30,000 per seat? (is that what the price-point is?) for free software. With every successful sale I make I can like half a programmer or even a competent sales-person.

        If course the high price-point smacks of corruptions, which I don't like. Some of the fee will likely be eaten up by entertainment and certification fees. I am thinking of throwing hardware in for free (as a token for tracking sales for the most-part). But that would bring it's own issues.

    • (Score: 1) by toddestan on Friday August 05 2016, @03:52AM

      by toddestan (4982) on Friday August 05 2016, @03:52AM (#384375)

      The first rule when you find yourself in a hole is to stop digging. Microsoft should take note.

      Really, if they want to salvage the Windows market, they should take the Windows 7 interface, drop it on top of the Windows 8.1 internals, port over the few worthwhile improvements over like DirectX 12, the Windows subsystem for Linux, and the improved Task Manager and call it Windows 11. It would be an instant winner.

      Then they could take all the money they get, and make a decent web browser. They could start with turning Edge into a wrapper around IE to make it at least usable, and then work from there.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @07:03AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @07:03AM (#384402)

        Really, if they want to salvage the Windows market, they should take the Windows 7 interface, drop it on top of the Windows 8.1 internals

        Well, wasn't this what we were promised that Windows 9 would be?

        Unfortunately, Nadella is just like Ballmer, and that project was scrapped to put focus on adding more Windows 8 style crappiness to Windows 8, resulting in Windows 10.

  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @07:22PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @07:22PM (#384182)

    This is all ok, because with the anniversary update, you can now run linux programs under windows, you clearly have no more use for that linux partition so we figured we'd just get rid of it...

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @07:47PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @07:47PM (#384188)

      My guess is it is a mistake.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @07:50PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @07:50PM (#384190)

        I make that mistake as well, --no-preserve-root just slips so easily into that "rm -f /" command

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:36PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:36PM (#384223)

        Boot, and everything around it, is extremely tricky. If you've ever tried to configure a bootloader by hand, you've probably made a mistake like this at least once. It's gotten easier with UEFI, but TFA is light on details so I have no idea what their system configuration was.

        Remember that Microsoft's mass layoffs in 2014 hit their testing team, with the idea being that the developers (coupled with shitloads of telemetry) would be sufficient. So, yes, it's likely that whoever wrote this code didn't think to test dual boot (or didn't think that their changes would effect it), and now that there's less redundancy they didn't get slapped around because of their mistake.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @09:43PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @09:43PM (#384266)

          Yeah, that is about what I was guessing.

          Low QA with high 'nah that wont do anything' and to large of confidence in auto testing.

          A crap QA dude is not worth shit. A QA dude who knows their craft is amazing. I personally like to get dudes from the aircraft and auto industry. They are *really* good at catching things.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @09:15AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @09:15AM (#384430)

            Will a quarterly-return obsessed MBA tolerate an attentive QC guy?

            My observations have been that a good QC guy interferes with immediate cash flow and would be considered first to lay off to improve this quarter's cash flow.

        • (Score: 4, Informative) by gawdonblue on Friday August 05 2016, @07:54AM

          by gawdonblue (412) on Friday August 05 2016, @07:54AM (#384414)

          Boot, and everything around it, is extremely tricky. If you've ever tried to configure a bootloader by hand, you've probably made a mistake like this at least once. It's gotten easier with UEFI, but TFA is light on details so I have no idea what their system configuration was.

          It's not just the MBR, whole partitions are being deleted if they're on the same disk. That's extra hard to do unintentionally.

  • (Score: 2) by tibman on Thursday August 04 2016, @07:59PM

    by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 04 2016, @07:59PM (#384196)

    Their big update was barely noticeable to me. I can see very few changes. Edge had a new start screen but then froze (went not responding) on visiting a website, nothing new there. Cortana is still dead/deleted. The windows defender icon changed in the taskbar. The clock has an agenda thing in it now (i have no desire to mess with it). I use classic shell so i didn't notice any startmenu changes until just now when i became curious. All programs are listed in alphabetical order in one giant scroll list. How much money did Microsoft spend on this update? Why did they even talk about this update like it mattered?

    The biggest thing i noticed was having to get a new visual studio update because debugging was broken. That and having to reinstall sandboxie because something broke there too.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:18PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:18PM (#384202)

      Yeah I noticed that too.

      Does anyone have a link to the list of bugs actually fixed? They are hyping the non features as 'huge' things but I am more interested in what did they actually fix. The old MS would have had a huge list of things fixed. Now it is more of a 'trust me' or 7-zips way of handling it 'some bugs were fixed'.

    • (Score: 2) by frojack on Thursday August 04 2016, @10:17PM

      by frojack (1554) on Thursday August 04 2016, @10:17PM (#384285) Journal

      To this you have to add the steady drumbeat of complaints of Windows nuking people's dual boot setup on every Linux help form for years and years.

      It has never played well with others. And these new reports might just be new users getting their first smackdown after setting up dual booting on they brand new windows machine.

      I'll probably notice nothing. I believe dual booting is a sucker's game, and never do that.
      You want to try out a different OS? Run it in a VM (either Linux or Windows) if you feel you must have both.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @10:51PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @10:51PM (#384289)

        I have not used dual boot in probably 20 years. It was pretty much a quick way to dork up your computer.

        I quickly learned one OS at a time folks. It works for a bit until the next update from either OS. I had linux updates nuke out a windows/os2 install and the other way around.

        VMs changed that game. But still one OS at a time as the main OS. HW and VMs is so dead easy and cheap these days there is no reason to dual boot.

        Honestly, I had forgotten you could do it.

        • (Score: 2) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Friday August 05 2016, @05:03PM

          by Scruffy Beard 2 (6030) on Friday August 05 2016, @05:03PM (#384541)

          Since Windows 8, MS even support the hardware clock being set to UTC.

          My understanding is that VMs are a pain if you try to use local time.

    • (Score: 2) by RamiK on Saturday August 06 2016, @10:13AM

      by RamiK (1813) on Saturday August 06 2016, @10:13AM (#384734)

      I had a similar experience:
      1. It didn't break the dual boot.
      2. The redesigned start menu is better: When you press start it lists the programs immediately instead of having to click All Programs. Some other stuff that seem to come from cyanogenmod.
      3. Without any Microsoft account (local account and never used or registered to the store), I pressed Start+R, and executed bash to initiate the Ubuntu bash shell install. It downloaded it and everything just worked.

      Interesting points:
      1. It's an ANCIENT machine. An old Q6600 without EFI. Definitely doesn't have a TPM 2.0. This, while newer i7-3770 and i5-2500 are not showing the upgrade when I try to update... Not sure what that's all about.
      2. When I first tried to uninstalled all the crapware by right-clicking->Uninstall, it reinstalled them! I needed to go to Settings -> Programs and uninstall them from there to make it stick. Very annoying.
      3. It's slower and takes longer to boot. Even before installing the Linux subsystem, I noticed things were more sluggish.
      4. The ubuntu subsystem is pretty nice. I can really see people getting introduced to linux by starting out with this:
      4.1. There's a "Microsoft bash launcher" in C:\Windows\system32\bash.exe that on the $PATH so you can execute bash scripts by running "bash foobar.sh".
      4.2. The virtual file-system comes with ubuntu's aptitude and deploys with vim, nano, python and python3 right-off-the-bat. I tried installing guile and it worked. I doubt perl will have any issues.
      4.3. The C drive is mounted under /mnt/c so that's not a problem.
      4.4. Htop didn't show non subsystem processes so it's like wine.
      4.5. I haven't looked any further then that, but if you can setup an x-server and shortcuts to stuff like emacs, teaching linux to windows users just got 10 times easier.

      Overall, I'm happy with the update. I will now safely reboot to linux and never look at windows again unless I need access to a non-linux hardware peripherals. I'll probably try getting all my family's boxes updated just for the linux subsystem so when someone shows a need to automate something, I'll just write a script in whatever and won't have to go through all the horrible windows installation steps.

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  • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by mendax on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:07PM

    by mendax (2840) on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:07PM (#384198)

    There are many people who will literally believe anything their computer tells them and will subsequently click on anything. Some malware ad pops up saying "Your Windows is Insecure. Click HERE", and they do, infecting and infesting their computers with all sorts of nastiness. I was helping a friend out with the issues that popped up because of that but stopped doing so because he would not stop going to porn sites. May of us know that if you want to get PWNed, going to a porn site is a great way to accomplish the feat. I came to the conclusion that he is someone who should NEVER be allowed to use a computer. My ladyfriend has a similar problem with a friend of hers, only in this case she caught her friend doing much the same thing with my ladyfriend's laptop. There is a reason why I NEVER let people use my computers.

    There are some lessons to be learned here:

    1. If you don't know what you're doing, you should NEVER use a computer.
    2. Some people are too dumb to learn what you should NEVER do with a computer.
    3. Some people will believe anything told to them. (Witness the rise of Donald Trump and the nonsense that comes out of his mouth.)
    4. I'm in the wrong line of work. I should have ditched any sense of moral conduct and conscience and become a Russian hacker. I'd have my own 200-room dacha on the Black Sea by now and be Vladimir Putin's best buddy.

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:19PM

      by Scruffy Beard 2 (6030) on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:19PM (#384204)

      What about a guest account without administrative access?

      • (Score: 2) by Zz9zZ on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:23PM

        by Zz9zZ (1348) on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:23PM (#384208)

        Playing with fire

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      • (Score: 2) by mendax on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:52PM

        by mendax (2840) on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:52PM (#384237)

        Never! Numquam! Ποτέ! Ніколи! Nie! 決して! 決不! Nunca! 못! Kamwe! Никад! Aldrig! Ungalokothi! ບໍ່ເຄີຍ! Aole loa! Nigdy! कभी नहीँ! أبدا! לעולם לא! Kunagi! Ei ikinä! Никогда! Qet! ဘယ်တော့မှမ! קיינמאָל! ไม่! Aldri! Эч качан! በጭራሽ! Ҳеҷ гоҳ! Không bao giờ! Nikoli! Hindi kailanman! Хэзээ ч бүү! कधीही नाही! ક્યારેય! ਕਦੇ! Heç vaxt! Soha! Mai! Nu! නැහැ! Nakanye! Jamais! Nooit! មិនដែល! কখনই নয়!

        There are only so many ways I can say "no", but Google Translate helps me find more of them.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @09:40PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @09:40PM (#384264)

          Okay, I believe you... can you explain why?

          Assuming the person is not acting maliciously (maybe stupidly, like going to malware sites, but not maliciously like erasing files or putting in boot-disks)... how much trouble can you get into if somebody is using a non-administrative guest account on your computer?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @01:46AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @01:46AM (#384338)

            Non-administrative guest accounts can turn into more real quick with the right privilege escalation or ACE exploit.

    • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:41PM

      by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:41PM (#384226)

      I was helping a friend out with the issues that popped up because of that but stopped doing so because he would not stop going to porn sites. May of us know that if you want to get PWNed, going to a porn site is a great way to accomplish the feat.

      Just run AdBlock and NoScript and unblock the minimum number of domains to get them to work and you'll be fine.

      (But this is a luser we're talking about so whatever)

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    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @09:49PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @09:49PM (#384269)

      May of us know that if you want to get PWNed, going to a porn site is a great way to accomplish the feat.

      What are you talking about? That statement is 10 years or so out of date. On today's Internet, the porn sites are the reputable ones. You know, having IT staff, vetting ads and such. Porn sites depend on good user experience, as it's a very competitive marketplace.

      No, if you want to get pwned, go to almost any "mainstream" site without AdBlock and NoScript. If your browser & connection survive the autoplay video ads and megabyte-sized scripts, you will soon pick up some ransomware and a trojan or two.

    • (Score: 2) by number11 on Thursday August 04 2016, @11:55PM

      by number11 (1170) on Thursday August 04 2016, @11:55PM (#384310)

      May of us know that if you want to get PWNed, going to a porn site is a great way to accomplish the feat.

      Personally, I've seen a lot more trouble resulting from people visiting yahoo.com, where apparently nobody vets the syndicated ads to keep malware out of them. I'm sure that with Verizon in charge, things will change.

      I didn't say "for the better".

      Actually, a Symantec report said that these days you were 3X more likely to get infected visiting a religious website than a porn one. Maybe because the porn sites have hired IT guys who are competent, so you can use your hands for other things than being poised over the kill switch. Porn's got the cash flow to hire good help. Pastor Smith is likely to just trust in God, who never was really much of an IT guy.

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @07:09AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @07:09AM (#384404)

      May of us know that if you want to get PWNed, going to a porn site is a great way to accomplish the feat.

      Myth status: Busted.

      Those who actually took the time to look into the matter, found that porn sites are very careful not to allow any kind of malware. They are already looked down upon, they don't want to make it worse.

      Where as any site with a large green download button (e.g. SourceForge) is a very likely place to get malware, as is any site with third-party advertising (i.e. those who don't run their own inhouse ad-space sales department).

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @09:58AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @09:58AM (#384435)

        Boy oh boy you weren't around much in the time of porn dialers were you? They got that reputation for a very good reason.

  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:20PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:20PM (#384206)

    Good evening. One year ago we introduced Windows 10 when we declared it would be the last version of Windows. In our own way and through our own sheer force of will, we sacrificed greatly to enter the advertising industry as an outsider, and we prevailed against a field of sixteen very talented competitors. For more than a year, Windows 10 has been the people's choice, and tonight it is the people's only choice.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAksO-_uibs [youtube.com]

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:24PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:24PM (#384210)

    A handful of reports surfacing on social media suggest, anecdotally, that the Windows 10 anniversary may interfere with, affect and even delete other partitions on the same disk.

    If these claims are accurate —and do keep in mind that various different factors may be at play in these cases — it would be a pretty shocking situation.

    I, for one, would not be shocked at all.

    In fact, I'd only be shocked if anybody was even mildly surprised at it.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Zinho on Thursday August 04 2016, @09:33PM

      by Zinho (759) on Thursday August 04 2016, @09:33PM (#384256)

      Hasn't this been the case for pretty much every version of windows, ever? Taking a quick look, I see that this behavior is documented in Microsoft's own knowledge base articles.

      knowledgebase article 153762: [microsoft.com]

      A Windows 95 installation is Windows NT-aware and does not overwrite NT boot loader information when you use this procedure.

      In other words, unless your other operating system is WinNT, Win95 will blow away your partition table during install.

      knowledgebase article 306559: [microsoft.com]

      You have to install Windows XP only after installing MS-DOS, Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me to prevent these operating systems from overwriting the Windows XP boot sector and the Windows XP startup files.

      In other words, 95/98/ME will blow away your XP partition as well, since they only recognize NT as a valid other operating system.

      If I can't trust a windows install to not blow away other windows installs, how would I reasonably expect it to respect my Linux boot options?

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      • (Score: 2) by dry on Friday August 05 2016, @05:09AM

        by dry (223) on Friday August 05 2016, @05:09AM (#384386) Journal

        I remember installing Win95 on a OS/2 system. At the end of the install it announced that the OS/2 install was now gone, no prior warning or anything. Fired up fdisk, changed the active partition back to bootmanager and booted back to OS/2. Same thing when I tried Win98. Win2k (service pack 3 IIRC) was actually nice enough to tell me how to change the default partition back to bootmanager though I understand that the first couple of releases of Win2k just nuked bootmanager by changing its partition type. Using bootmanager, it was fairly easy to have a multi-boot system, as long as you installed LILO/Grub on your Linux partition, ideally /boot, instead of the MBR.
        Now while I was knowledgeable enough to use fdisk to fix the system, how many other people didn't have a backup and lost all their work. Arseholes.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @07:17AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @07:17AM (#384406)

        No, they are talking about the boot manager. They always removed the boot manager, and getting it back was pretty simple, once you got the other OS booted.

        This time they are talking about nuking the partitions. That means restoring the backup, rather than spending five minutes replacing the boot manager.

        (Mind you, even Windows 95 COULD remove other partitions, if it did not like the partition table layout. But that would normally only happen on the first install (once Windows was installed, you knew the partition table was acceptable)).

    • (Score: 2) by coolgopher on Friday August 05 2016, @04:38AM

      by coolgopher (1157) on Friday August 05 2016, @04:38AM (#384381)

      It used to be that Windows only blew away your MBR during the installation. More recent versions have had a tendency to do so at other times too. So much so that these days my Linux disk is in an external dock so I can remove it (well, unpower it) whenever I want to boot into Windows. It should be a little while before Windows manages to nuke that drive now, I hope...

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by isostatic on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:27PM

    by isostatic (365) on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:27PM (#384214) Journal

    Back in the day every bios had an option to lock your MBR and prevent anyone from writing to it. When did that stop?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @09:32PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2016, @09:32PM (#384254)

      When GPT became the norm?

  • (Score: 2) by archfeld on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:34PM

    by archfeld (4650) <treboreel@live.com> on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:34PM (#384222) Journal

    I've got a dell studio 17 laptop running Win10/Ubuntu *nix/with a dell recovery partition and have had no problems. I downloaded the anniversary update and my only complaint is the reset of many of my privacy set-up choices and the re-infecting of my machine with Cortana, which I had previously killed via reg. name changes.

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  • (Score: 2) by mendax on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:54PM

    by mendax (2840) on Thursday August 04 2016, @08:54PM (#384240)

    The Windows 10 anniversary may interfere with, affect and even delete other partitions on the same disk.

    Microsoft just doesn't like its competition.

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  • (Score: 1) by shanen on Thursday August 04 2016, @09:55PM

    by shanen (6084) on Thursday August 04 2016, @09:55PM (#384271) Journal

    How do you get locked out of Microsoft "support"? Is there any way to get back in?

    My little meta-problem of the day is being locked out of Microsoft's so-called support. The email part (on outlook.live.com) works as usual, but every attempt to access the support part returns "Something went wrong and we can't sign you in right now. Please try again later." It's a black hole page with no links or options or suggestions. Once you get there, you are dead to Microsoft. Whenever I try to go to Microsoft support, that's all I've seen for several weeks now. (It may have begun months before that, but I'm glad when I forget ugly details. Dealing with Microsoft support has always been ugly.)

    Returning to the original problem (of the month), the Start button is broken on one of my Windows 10 machines. Left click is dead. Fairly well known problem, but none of the solutions from non-Microsoft webpages has fixed it. If I ever had mod points, I'd mod you up for the solution, but all I can do is ask nicely.

    In general, Windows 10 seems to be a good thing--but I don't really know how much it is abusing my personal information and privacy. The abusive relationship with Microsoft support is clearly the same, bad as it ever was. I really wish we actually had some good choices rather than having to search for the least bad or least evil options. There is a slightly adversarial relationship between buyers and sellers, but these years it is downright hostile. (Adversarial negotiations can still be win-win, but hostile negotiations are always lose-lose.)

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Arik on Friday August 05 2016, @04:40AM

      by Arik (4543) on Friday August 05 2016, @04:40AM (#384382) Journal

      MS locked themselves out, users too myopic to notice. And that was many years ago. I honestly don't know exactly how many. But any time I attempt to access a web page at MS all it gives me (in any sane browser) is;

      Javascript is disabled Please enable javascript and refresh the page Microsoft Store home Microsoft Surface PCs & tablets Xbox Virtual reality Accessories Windows phone Microsoft Band Office Windows Additional software All apps Windows apps Windows phone apps Xbox One games Xbox 360 games PC games Windows games Windows phone games All Entertainment Movies & TV Music Business Store Education Store Developer Back-to-school essentials Sale Find a storeGift cards Windows Office Free downloads & security Internet Explorer Microsoft Edge Skype OneNote OneDrive Microsoft Health MSN Bing Microsoft Groove Microsoft Movies & TV All Microsoft devices Microsoft Surface All Windows PCs & tablets PC accessories Xbox & games Microsoft Band Microsoft Lumia All Windows phones Microsoft HoloLens Cloud Platform Microsoft Azure Microsoft Dynamics Windows for business Office for business Skype for business Surface for business Enterprise solutions Small business solutions Find a solutions provider Volume Licensing Develop Windows apps Microsoft Azure MSDN TechNet Visual Studio Office for students OneNote in classroom Shop PCs & tablets perfect for students Microsoft in Education Support Cart Cart Terms of use Privacy & cookies Trademarks https://account.microsoft.com/ [microsoft.com]

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @05:04PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @05:04PM (#384542)

    I see a problem that new VR games are going to "need" directX 12 to work.

    OFC directX 12 is only available on m$hit privacy-nightmare version ten.

    maybe some independent game studio will take notice of this forthcoming dilemma and not hand the new VR realm on a silver (golden?) platter to m$, again, for more of the same ... abuse and crappyness -but- instead do the right thing and make it run w/ directX11 (win7) and more importantly on steamOS!

    (*) VR will become available on xBOX but only after directX12 is TEH standard for VR ... simple monopoly abuse trick.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @05:17PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @05:17PM (#384550)

      "Dear customer, we at m$ are hard at work making your new 1'000.- dollar VR ready rig crawl to a stand still with our new security updates that will make your experience more secure. Thanks to our pervasive telemetry will will also be able to target just-released 2000.- dollar intel chips and their chips-sets before they become affordable for the mainstream.
      count on slow stuttery but secure(!) VR experience thanks to the tireless brainstorming in ms-idea lab on how to squeeze the most money out of your pocket for us and our partners!
      have another nice *snicker* day (fiddling with your computer instead of getting work done)!"

    • (Score: 2) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Friday August 05 2016, @05:17PM

      by Scruffy Beard 2 (6030) on Friday August 05 2016, @05:17PM (#384551)

      Looks like you are not the only one wanting VR on Linux. Looks like the current focus is Windows, as you say.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 17 2016, @03:03PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 17 2016, @03:03PM (#389136)

      Minecraft VR has been released... and it's only available on Windows 10