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posted by n1 on Thursday August 04 2016, @11:41PM   Printer-friendly
from the heart-of-bacon dept.

The National Institutes of Health (NIH) is planning to lift its moratorium on chimeric embryo research:

The National Institutes of Health is proposing a new policy to permit scientists to get federal money to make embryos, known as chimeras, under certain carefully monitored conditions. The NIH imposed a moratorium on funding these experiments in September because they could raise ethical concerns.

[...] [Scientists] hope to use the embryos to create animal models of human diseases, which could lead to new ways to prevent and treat illnesses. Researchers also hope to produce sheep, pigs and cows with human hearts, kidneys, livers, pancreases and possibly other organs that could be used for transplants.

To address the ethical concerns, the NIH's new policy imposes several restrictions. The policy prohibits the introduction of any human cells into embryos of nonhuman primates, such as monkeys and chimps, at their early stages of development. Previously, the NIH wouldn't allow such experiments that involved human stem cells but it didn't address the use of other types of human cells that scientists have created. In addition, the old rules didn't bar adding the cells very early in embryonic development. The extra protections are being added because these animals are so closely related to humans. But the policy would lift the moratorium on funding experiments involving other species. Because of the ethical concerns, though, at least some of the experiments would go through an extra layer of review by a new, special committee of government officials.

You can submit a response to the proposal here up until the end of the day on September 4.

Related: NIH Won't Fund Human Germline Modification
U.S. Congress Moves to Block Human Embryo Editing
China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals
Human-Animal Chimeras are Gestating on U.S. Research Farms


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NIH Won't Fund Human Germline Modification 21 comments

A week after a Chinese team reported semi-successful modification of human embryos, Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health, has said in a statement that his agency will not fund any research involving human germline modification:

The concept of altering the human germline in embryos for clinical purposes has been debated over many years from many different perspectives, and has been viewed almost universally as a line that should not be crossed. Advances in technology have given us an elegant new way of carrying out genome editing, but the strong arguments against engaging in this activity remain. These include the serious and unquantifiable safety issues, ethical issues presented by altering the germline in a way that affects the next generation without their consent, and a current lack of compelling medical applications justifying the use of CRISPR/Cas9 in embryos.

Practically, there are multiple existing legislative and regulatory prohibitions against this kind of work. The Dickey-Wicker amendment prohibits the use of appropriated funds for the creation of human embryos for research purposes or for research in which human embryos are destroyed (H.R. 2880, Sec. 128). Furthermore, the NIH Guidelines state that the Recombinant DNA Advisory Committee, "...will not at present entertain proposals for germ line alteration". It is also important to note the role of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in this arena, which applies not only to federally funded research, but to any research in the U.S. The Public Health Service Act and the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act give the FDA the authority to regulate cell and gene therapy products as biological products and/or drugs, which would include oversight of human germline modification. During development, biological products may be used in humans only if an investigational new drug application is in effect (21 CFR Part 312).

However, some scientists aren't joining the chorus of "universal" criticism:

George Church, a geneticist at Harvard Medical School in Boston, Massachusetts, disagrees that the technology is so immature. He says that the researchers did not use the most up-to-date CRISPR/Cas9 methods and that many of the researchers' problems could have been avoided or lessened if they had.

Although researchers agree that a moratorium on clinical applications is needed while the ethical and safety concerns of human-embryo editing are worked out, many see no problem with the type of research that Huang's team did, in part because the embryos could not have led to a live birth. "It's no worse than what happens in IVF all the time, which is that non-viable embryos are discarded," says John Harris, a bioethicist at the University of Manchester, UK. "I don't see any justification for a moratorium on research," he adds. Church, meanwhile, notes that many of the earliest experiments with CRISPR/Cas9 were developed in human induced pluripotent stem cells, adult cells that have been reprogrammed to have the ability to turn into any cell type, including sperm and eggs. He questions whether Huang's experiments are any more intrinsically problematic.

U.S. Congress Moves to Block Human Embryo Editing 85 comments

The US House of Representatives is wading into the debate over whether human embryos should be modified to introduce heritable changes. Its fiscal year 2016 spending bill for the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) would prohibit the agency from spending money to evaluate research or clinical applications for such products.

In an unusual twist, the bill—introduced on June 17—would also direct the FDA to create a committee that includes religious experts to review a forthcoming report from the US Institute of Medicine (IOM). The IOM's analysis, which considers the ethics of creating embryos that have three genetic parents, was commissioned by the FDA.

The House legislation comes during a time of intense debate on such matters, sparked by the announcement in April that researchers in China had edited the genomes of human embryos. The US National Institutes of Health (NIH) moved quickly to remind the public that a 1996 law prevents the federal government from funding work that destroys human embryos or creates them for research purposes.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/u-s-congress-moves-to-block-human-embryo-editing/

[Source]: http://www.nature.com/news/us-congress-moves-to-block-human-embryo-editing-1.17858

We covered a related story, Three-Person Babies Could Be Possible in Two Years just over a year ago.


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China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals 22 comments

China's western Shaanxi Province is known for rugged windswept terrain and its coal and wool, but not necessarily its science. Yet at the Shaanxi Provincial Engineering and Technology Research Center for Shaanbei Cashmere Goats, scientists have just created a new kind of goat, with bigger muscles and longer hair than normal. The goats were made not by breeding but by directly manipulating animal DNA—a sign of how rapidly China has embraced a global gene-changing revolution.

Geneticist Lei Qu wants to increase goatherd incomes by boosting how much meat and wool each animal produces. For years research projects at his lab in Yulin, a former garrison town along the Great Wall, stumbled along, Qu's colleagues say. "The results were not so obvious, although we had worked so many years," his research assistant, Haijing Zhu, wrote in an e-mail.


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Human-Animal Chimeras are Gestating on U.S. Research Farms 34 comments

(Andy's note: pretty sure it's only "radical" if you discount ideas from science fiction - Technovelgy points out it's been as an idea from at least 2002, and I'm pretty sure earlier examples could be found if one went looking.)

Braving a funding ban put in place by America's top health agency, some U.S. research centers are moving ahead with attempts to grow human tissue inside pigs and sheep with the goal of creating hearts, livers, or other organs needed for transplants.

The effort to incubate organs in farm animals is ethically charged because it involves adding human cells to animal embryos in ways that could blur the line between species.

Last September, in a reversal of earlier policy, the National Institutes of Health announced it would not support studies involving such "human-animal chimeras" until it had reviewed the scientific and social implications more closely.

The agency, in a statement, said it was worried about the chance that animals' "cognitive state" could be altered if they ended up with human brain cells.

[Wikipedia helpfully has articles on Chimera (mythology) (the source of the name) and Chimera (genetics) (the topic of this research). -Ed.]


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Francis Collins Retains Position as Director of the National Institutes of Health 6 comments

Francis Collins will remain the director of the National Institutes of Health, for now:

Ending weeks of speculation, President-elect Donald Trump has asked National Institutes of Health (NIH) Director Francis Collins to remain in his position. It is not clear for how long. "We just learned that Dr. Collins has been held over by the Trump administration," an NIH spokesperson said in a statement. "We have no additional details at this time."

Collins, a geneticist who has headed the $32 billion NIH for the past 8 years, has been campaigning to keep his job and met with Trump last week. On Wednesday, he told a reporter at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, that he still didn't know what his fate would be. But although Collins had the support of key Republicans in Congress, he has been one of several candidates for the NIH post, including Representative Andy Harris (R–MD).

Related: NIH Won't Fund Human Germline Modification
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Human-Animal Chimeras are Gestating on U.S. Research Farms
NIH Plans To Lift Ban On Research Funds For Human-Animal Chimera Embryos
Neuroscientists Stand Up for Basic Cell Biology Research
Major Biomedical Research Funding Bill Sails Through US House


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Mauritius: Safe Haven for Nonhuman Primate Experimentation? 6 comments

Mauritius, an island nation that is the world's second largest exporter of long-tailed macaques, has moved to allow scientific experimentation on the nonhuman primates locally:

The persistent fight by animal welfare activists to end nonhuman primate research has found its way to Mauritius, an island in the Indian Ocean two-thirds the size of Rhode Island. In the 1700s, Dutch and Portuguese seafarers introduced the long-tailed macaque to the island, where the animals thrived and, in recent decades, formed the basis of an export industry supplying biomedical labs in the developed world. Now, Mauritius has decided to get into the business of nonhuman primate experimentation itself even as such work is becoming increasingly constrained in North America and Europe. Last month the move touched off a heated debate in Mauritius's National Assembly about whether the government could adequately protect the macaques used in research and whether the new industry might endanger a far bigger lifeline for the island—tourism.

The debate is reverberating overseas. Activists, led by London-based Cruelty Free International, see the influence of Mauritius's five monkey breeding companies behind the government's February step allowing licenses to be issued for local research on island-bred macaques. (The new regulations also allow rabbit and rodent studies.) They contend that the companies are alarmed by a successful, high-pressure campaign to discourage commercial airlines from flying nonhuman primates from source countries such as Mauritius to research centers—and are trying to hedge their bets. The London group also argues that the new regulations, which amend the country's Animal Welfare Act, are invalid because they don't further the purpose of the original legislation.

National Institutes of Health 3-Year Ban on Viral "Gain of Function" Studies Lifted 1 comment

The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has lifted a ban on research into making certain viruses more deadly, while putting a new review process in place:

More than 3 years after imposing a moratorium on U.S. funding for certain studies with dangerous viruses, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) today lifted this so-called "pause" and announced a new plan for reviewing such research. But federal officials haven't yet decided the fate of a handful of studies on influenza and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) that were put on hold in October 2014.

[...] Concerns over so-called "gain of function" (GOF) studies that make pathogens more potent or likely to spread in people erupted in 2011, when Kawaoka's team and Ron Fouchier's lab at Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam, the Netherlands announced that they had modified the H5N1 bird flu virus to enable it to spread between ferrets. Such studies could help experts prepare for pandemics, but pose risks if the souped-up pathogen escapes the lab. After a long discussion, the National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity (NSABB) decided the two studies should be published and federal officials issued new oversight rules for certain H5N1 studies.

But U.S. officials grew uneasy after the publication of new GOF papers and several accidents in U.S. biocontainment labs. In October 2014, they announced an unprecedented "pause" on funding for 21 GOF studies of influenza, MERS and severe acute respiratory syndrome viruses. (At the time, NIH said there were 18 paused studies.) NIH eventually exempted some studies found to pose relatively little risk. But eight influenza studies and three MERS projects remained on hold.

Also at Nature, NYT, NPR, and Washington Post (archive).

Previously: The Question of Lab Safety when Creating Global Killer Viruses

Related: NIH Won't Fund Human Germline Modification
NIH Plans To Lift Ban On Research Funds For Human-Animal Chimera Embryos
U.S. Human Embryo Editing Study Published


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Scientists Grow Sheep Embryos Containing Human Cells 8 comments

Breakthrough as scientists grow sheep embryos containing human cells

Growing human organs inside other animals has taken another step away from science-fiction, with researchers announcing they have grown sheep embryos containing human cells.

Scientists say growing human organs inside animals could not only increase supply, but also offer the possibility of genetically tailoring the organs to be compatible with the immune system of the patient receiving them, by using the patient's own cells in the procedure, removing the possibility of rejection. [...] "Even today the best matched organs, except if they come from identical twins, don't last very long because with time the immune system continuously is attacking them," said Dr Pablo Ross from the University of California, Davis, who is part of the team working towards growing human organs in other species.

[...] Ross and colleagues have recently reported a major breakthrough for our own species, revealing they were able to introduce human stem cells into early pig embryos, producing embryos for which about one in every 100,000 cells were human. These chimeras – a term adopted from Greek mythology – were only allowed to develop for 28 days.

Now, at this week's meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Austin, Texas, the team have announced that they have managed a similar feat with sheep embryos, achieving an even higher ratio of human to animal cells. "About one in 10,000 cells in these sheep embryos are human," said Ross.

Japan is expected to lift a ban on growing human organs inside of animals.

Here's another article about pig-to-human organ transplants.

Also at The Telegraph.

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Human-Pig 'Chimera Embryos' Detailed
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  • (Score: 2) by Arik on Friday August 05 2016, @12:09AM

    by Arik (4543) on Friday August 05 2016, @12:09AM (#384312) Journal
    If anyone has a rational explanation for why it's morally permissible to do x to a rat but not to a lemur please do speak up.

    Otherwise I will categorize this under 'the world is now being run by morons a full grade below the morons that ran it when I was a kid.'

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by takyon on Friday August 05 2016, @12:23AM

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Friday August 05 2016, @12:23AM (#384316) Journal

      I think at the end of the day, I think they believe it would be a lot easier to (accidentally?) "uplift" a largish primate than a mouse/rat, by adding human genes that control the growth and density of neurons and brain structures.

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      • (Score: 2) by Arik on Friday August 05 2016, @01:50AM

        by Arik (4543) on Friday August 05 2016, @01:50AM (#384341) Journal
        That's just superstitious hand-waving. Have any real evidence, or even a credible scenario?

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        • (Score: 3, Funny) by kurenai.tsubasa on Friday August 05 2016, @02:02AM

          by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Friday August 05 2016, @02:02AM (#384347) Journal

          A saw a documentary [imdb.com] once!

          Granted, time travel was also involved….

        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Friday August 05 2016, @11:02AM

          by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Friday August 05 2016, @11:02AM (#384443) Journal

          It's not though.

          It would be easier to genetically modify a primate with a larger brain volume and more genetic similarities to humans in order to make it "sapient", or whatever you want to call it. There is some correlation between brain size and intelligence. It is unclear that a tiny mouse could ever be engineered to be as smart as a human, dolphin, chimp, etc.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @02:00AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @02:00AM (#384344)

        Need new moderation option; -1 gibberish.

      • (Score: 2) by butthurt on Saturday August 06 2016, @11:59PM

        by butthurt (6141) on Saturday August 06 2016, @11:59PM (#384852) Journal

        > [...] adding human genes [...]

        That's not what a chimera is. A chimera is an organism in which the cells aren't all genetically identical.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_%28genetics%29 [wikipedia.org]

        What this research is about is not introducing human genes into other species, but rather introducing human cells, tissues or organs into other species. With the kind of organisms they're contemplating, if one were to tease the organism apart, cell by cell, some cells would have an entirely human genome, whilst others would have the genome of the other species.

        The article speculates that hybrids--creatures in which two (or more?) species are mixed genetically as a result of sex--might result. I find some plausibility in that, as I'd expect that a chimeric organism would have characteristics of both (all?) the species that are combined in it. Intermediacy might lessen obstacles to interbreeding.

        It seems that ethical considerations are the raison d'être of this research. Killing a person to use the person's body as a source of organs for other people is (with the exception of Falun Gong practitioners) considered unethical. Killing a pig to use the pig's body as a source of organs for people is (mostly) accepted. Mixing human and pig cells, letting the resulting creature mature, then harvesting its organs may be accepted if it looks at all piglike and isn't overly erudite when it speaks.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday August 05 2016, @12:24AM

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Friday August 05 2016, @12:24AM (#384318) Homepage

      I believe testing on non-human animals should be outlawed and testing on human scum like Arabs and other criminally-predisposed humans should be encouraged.

      Why raise a human heart inside a pig when you could grow it on the hairy ass of an Arab? And there will no doubt be a huge uptick of Black penis transplants to lily-livered, pasty-faced White boys. O' imagine the possibilities! Prehensile spotted cocks with talking meatuses! Vaginas with the kung-fu grip! Women lactating 24/7 throughout their lifetimes, opening up the possibilities for new and delicious cheeses that are both tasty and good for you!

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @01:49AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @01:49AM (#384340)

        Why raise a human heart inside a pig when you could grow it on the hairy ass of an Arab?

        Pigs are more sanitary?

        • (Score: 0, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday August 05 2016, @01:59AM

          by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Friday August 05 2016, @01:59AM (#384343) Homepage

          Not only that, but pigs even of different species are more socially cooperative and pragmatic than even Arabs of similar tribes.

          At least with respect to their women. Arab beasts, by contrast, fly to Qatar to have sex with other men and praise Allah (PBUH) and snort the highest quality cocaine while doing so. Now, there's nothing wrong with that except that said Arab beasts have others executed for doing the same.

          Wait, why are Americans and Europeans backing those filth up again?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @02:09AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @02:09AM (#384350)
            Because Hillary has a vagina. Shut up.
          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday August 05 2016, @03:35AM

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday August 05 2016, @03:35AM (#384369) Journal

            Eth, are you okay? I'm asking this in all seriousness; your earlier material was artful and hilarious, but lately you've just been cringe-y. Is something wrong?

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            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Friday August 05 2016, @11:29AM

              by aristarchus (2645) on Friday August 05 2016, @11:29AM (#384452) Journal

              Perhaps a bit too close to home. There has always been something about Eth that is just not quite human. Chimera-ism would explain a lot.

              • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday August 05 2016, @05:00PM

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday August 05 2016, @05:00PM (#384540) Journal

                Don't give him an excuse by saying "oh the poor thing, he's probably not entirely human." Humans are capable of the basest evil, as we have seen. No, Eth is pure human, with all that this implies.

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    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Friday August 05 2016, @12:25AM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 05 2016, @12:25AM (#384319) Journal

      If anyone has a rational explanation for why it's morally permissible to do x to a rat but not to a lemur please do speak up.

      Two obvious ones are a) a rat doesn't have the capacity for suffering or intellect that a lemur does and b) we already accept orders of magnitude more deaths among rats than we do among lemurs.

      • (Score: 2) by Arik on Friday August 05 2016, @01:48AM

        by Arik (4543) on Friday August 05 2016, @01:48AM (#384339) Journal
        "b) we already accept orders of magnitude more deaths among rats than we do among lemurs."

        Absolutely irrelevant.

        "a) a rat doesn't have the capacity for suffering or intellect that a lemur does"

        And your evidence for this assertion?

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        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday August 05 2016, @04:54AM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 05 2016, @04:54AM (#384384) Journal

          "b) we already accept orders of magnitude more deaths among rats than we do among lemurs."

          Absolutely irrelevant.

          This is starting to sound like your opinion on this subject is irrelevant. Recall you were allegedly concerned about whether or not it was more moral permissible to do "X" to a rat than a lemur. Well, one obvious measure is how morally permissible do we view what happens to these animals anyway. And the obvious note is that a lot of bad things happen to either animal which doesn't rise in our view to becoming morally impermissible - but a lot more of those bad things happen to rats.

          "a) a rat doesn't have the capacity for suffering or intellect that a lemur does"

          And your evidence for this assertion?

          The known greater intellectual capacity of the lemur.

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Friday August 05 2016, @12:49AM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 05 2016, @12:49AM (#384324) Journal

      If anyone has a rational explanation for why it's morally permissible to do x to a rat but not to a lemur please do speak up.

      We also don't sell lemur poison and deathtraps in the store. The killing of rats is institutionalized in our culture because they are harmful to us and our environment, breed like rats, and so numerous that even killing billions doesn't dent the population.

      • (Score: 2) by Arik on Friday August 05 2016, @01:46AM

        by Arik (4543) on Friday August 05 2016, @01:46AM (#384337) Journal
        Lemurs used in experimentation (should there be any, I don't know of any personally) would be bred for this purpose specifically and not represent any diminishment of the natural population. Would you have any further objections?
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        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday August 05 2016, @05:19AM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 05 2016, @05:19AM (#384387) Journal

          Lemurs used in experimentation (should there be any, I don't know of any personally) would be bred for this purpose specifically and not represent any diminishment of the natural population. Would you have any further objections?

          Depends on the value of the research. I view the morality of harm to creatures as being mostly dependent on their intellect. We find for the most part cannibalism and torture of humans to be abominable while no one has similar concerns about vegetables. One can see varying degree of respect for the well being of an organism by both its intellectual capacity and how readily it tugs on our emotions (the cute trick).

          I have no qualms about sufficiently valuable animal experimentation up to and including humans. But such research should be conducted with a sufficient level of respect for the organism. Needless to say, I have more respect for the intellectual capabilities of lemurs than I do of rats and thus, would advocate for constraints on research with lemurs than rats. Further, I see the considerable possibility that such organisms are over time made more intelligent and I would grant them increased respect and privileges as a result subject to certain constraints (such as requiring conversion of short lifespan, high fertility creatures into long lifespan, low fertility creatures).

          • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Friday August 05 2016, @06:49PM

            by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 05 2016, @06:49PM (#384588) Journal

            I'm not sure you are justified in having more respect for the intellectual capabilities of lemurs. Rats are known to be quite intelligent, on some trials performing better than humans (you've got to pick the right test).

            As for brain size, some lemurs are considerably smaller than some rats, and I wouldn't be willing to just assume that the rats have smaller brains.

            The main reason that makes sense to me is that rats are traditional enemies of grain growing humans, and lemurs aren't. A secondary reason is that it a lot easier to grow a huge number of rats than a huge number of lemurs. Emotionally I am also bothered because (almost?) all lemurs are endangered species, but if this could be used to create independent colonies that emotion doesn't make logical sense.

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            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday August 05 2016, @07:41PM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 05 2016, @07:41PM (#384601) Journal

              I'm not sure you are justified in having more respect for the intellectual capabilities of lemurs. Rats are known to be quite intelligent, on some trials performing better than humans (you've got to pick the right test).

              Ok, you aren't sure. Well?

              As for brain size, some lemurs are considerably smaller than some rats, and I wouldn't be willing to just assume that the rats have smaller brains.

              Then we can consider those cases as they occur and how viable the lemur species are in question for animal research. Just because I made a generalization that isn't perfectly true doesn't mean that I can't apply the rule in question on a more refined level or as new information comes out.

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @12:23AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @12:23AM (#384317)

    When, long ago, the gods created Earth
    In Iove's fair image Man was shaped at birth.
    The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;
    Yet were they too remote from humankind.
    To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,
    Th'Olympian host conceiv'd a clever plan.
    A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
    Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday August 05 2016, @12:50AM

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Friday August 05 2016, @12:50AM (#384325) Homepage

      H.P. Lovecraft had some pretty interesting stuff to say about Jews as well...although if you look into what he said it's not entirely hateful...then you wonder whether or not he became an anti-Semite before or after he married that Jewish woman.

      • (Score: 1) by Type44Q on Friday August 05 2016, @01:56AM

        by Type44Q (4347) on Friday August 05 2016, @01:56AM (#384342)

        then you wonder whether or not he became an anti-Semite before or after he married that Jewish woman.

        Perhaps he once waited tables in Scarsdale, NY; that would certainly do it...

        • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday August 05 2016, @02:01AM

          by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Friday August 05 2016, @02:01AM (#384346) Homepage

          That doesn't make sense - Why would a Jewish woman couple with a man who waited tables?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @02:16AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @02:16AM (#384352)

            millions more were waiting from all the dirt he overheard if only he'd had the lack of scruples to use it.

  • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Friday August 05 2016, @01:34AM

    by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Friday August 05 2016, @01:34AM (#384335) Journal

    What could possibly go wrong? [wikia.com]

    A more positive representation would be the Ousters [wikia.com] from The Hyperion Cantos.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @04:10PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2016, @04:10PM (#384512)

      What could possibly go wrong?

      Because science fiction and fantasy is definitely how it would happen in real life. That's why I never use fire or tools. [dresdencodak.com]