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posted by n1 on Wednesday November 23 2016, @12:31PM   Printer-friendly
from the hat-tip dept.

The Fedora Project is pleased to announce the immediate availability of Fedora 25, the next big step [on] our journey into the containerized, modular future!

Fedora is a global community that works together to lead the advancement of free and open source software. As part of the community's mission the project delivers three editions, each one a free, Linux-based operating system tailored to meet specific use cases: Fedora 25 Atomic Host, Fedora 25 Server, and Fedora 25 Workstation.

Each edition is built from a common set of base packages, which form the foundation of the Fedora operating system. As with all new versions of Fedora, Fedora 25 provides many bug fixes and tweaks to these underlying components, as well as new and enhanced packages, including:

  • Docker 1.12 for building and running containerized applications
  • Node.js 6.9.1, the latest version of the popular server-side JavaScript engine
  • Support for Rust, a faster and more stable system programming language
  • Multiple Python versions — 2.6, 2.7, 3.3, 3.4 and 3.5 — to help run test suites across several Python configurations, as well as PyPy, PyPy3, and Jython

You can get Fedora 25 from getfedora.org. It is shipping with the Linux 4.8 kernel. The default environment is Gnome 3.22 with the Wayland display server. I did a DNF upgrade from release 24 and tested it with my Intel and Radeon setup and everything has just worked out of the box. If you aren't a fan of Gnome, there are other Desktop Environments available, called Spins. Enjoy!


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by r1348 on Wednesday November 23 2016, @01:17PM

    by r1348 (5988) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @01:17PM (#431802)

    You did not mention the biggest change of Fedora 25: Wayland by default in the Workstation spin.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by KritonK on Wednesday November 23 2016, @01:35PM

      by KritonK (465) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @01:35PM (#431806)

      Sort of.

      I already updated to Fedora 25 at home and on a virtualbox VM.

      On the home machine, with a GeForce 9600 graphics card and the nouveau driver (the legacy nVidia driver, which worked fine under Fedora 24, does not work under Fedora 25) I tried the "plasma (wayland)" entry in the login screen, but it led me back to the login screen. The plain "plasma" entry works. Wayland may or may not work with gnome, but I am not going to switch to gnome to find out.

      On the virtualbox machine, there isn't even a "plasma (wayland)" entry. I don't know if this is related to te fact that the X11 guest extensions to not install, because Fedora 25 uses a pre-release version of X11.

      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Celestial on Wednesday November 23 2016, @03:12PM

        by Celestial (4891) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @03:12PM (#431852) Journal

        IIRC, I believe Wayland is disabled in Fedora 25 if you're using a Nvidia GPU and the binary blob Nvidia video card driver. Ahh, yep.

        We will change GDM to use wayland by default for GNOME. The code will automatically fall back to Xorg in cases where wayland is unavailable (like nvidia).

        Considering how many computers use Nvidia video cards, I'd really question if Wayland is the actual default.

        • (Score: 2) by KritonK on Wednesday November 23 2016, @06:59PM

          by KritonK (465) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @06:59PM (#432011)

          Like I said, one system used the nouveau driver and one the virtualbox driver.

          Considering that the majority of users have an nVidia, AMD, Intel, or VirtualBox display, that the nVidia driver usually does not work out of the box with new releases of Fedora, and that the virtualbox X11 extensions often don't work out of the box with new releases of Fedora, because Red Hat thinks it is fine to release an operating system with a pre-release version of X11, I would question whether having a working system is the default, never mind Wayland!

          Looking for patches to the nVidia driver and/or switching to nouveau, until a new version of the nVidia driver is released, seems to be the first thing I always do when I upgrade Fedora, as I am impatient to upgrade. I was, however, surprised, that I couldn't run Wayland with nouveau, which is supposed to be the driver recommended by Red Hat.

    • (Score: 2) by tynin on Wednesday November 23 2016, @04:10PM

      by tynin (2013) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @04:10PM (#431880) Journal

      The default environment is Gnome 3.22 with the Wayland display server.

    • (Score: 2) by Desler on Wednesday November 23 2016, @05:53PM

      by Desler (880) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @05:53PM (#431972)

      Yes, it did.

      The default environment is Gnome 3.22 with the Wayland display server.

      Maybe you should have read the entire submission?

  • (Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @02:15PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @02:15PM (#431818)

    I would have been dollars-to-donuts that the first comment, were it not a troll comment, would mention systemd. But there are two, and they don't!!

    • (Score: 2) by DECbot on Wednesday November 23 2016, @03:29PM

      by DECbot (832) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @03:29PM (#431862) Journal

      Modular? So you mean I can just swap the systemd module out on Fedora 25?

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    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday November 23 2016, @05:02PM

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @05:02PM (#431921) Journal

      Okay, I'll bite: for server scenarios systemd sucks. It's really not bad for home use though. I run Arch (because seriously as much as I love Gentoo, SCREW compiling on mobile Core 2 Duo...) and it's never given me trouble. Servers I run tend to be sysvinit-based or *BSD these days though.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @05:23PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @05:23PM (#431942)

        There's nothing to bite on here. It's just that EVERY story about linux or BSD distribution almost always has a systemd comment right off the bat. It is just reassuring to see it not happen so quickly. Must be because people went out of town early this week.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @05:21PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23 2016, @05:21PM (#431940)

    After years of happily using RH/FC/Fedora, I'm grudgingly moving to Ubuntu. Fedora 24 introduced something in 4.7/4.8 kernels that makes my desktop (not laptop) colors all washed out on intel graphics. I had to stop updating kernels because there's no apparent fix, and bug reports are basically ignored. Sayo-fucking-nara.

    • (Score: 2) by Subsentient on Thursday November 24 2016, @02:59AM

      by Subsentient (1111) on Thursday November 24 2016, @02:59AM (#432245) Homepage Journal

      Why not just compile a vanilla kernel? It's not that hard.

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      "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -Jiddu Krishnamurti
    • (Score: 2) by r1348 on Thursday November 24 2016, @02:39PM

      by r1348 (5988) on Thursday November 24 2016, @02:39PM (#432394)

      If it's a kernel bug, you'll re-encounter it the moment Ubuntu moves to a newer kernel.

  • (Score: 2) by PizzaRollPlinkett on Wednesday November 23 2016, @08:50PM

    by PizzaRollPlinkett (4512) on Wednesday November 23 2016, @08:50PM (#432093)

    Why does Fedora have these upgrade ordeals? I have to download a million packages, and shut down my machine, and let it grind through them for hours. Twice a year. Why can't we just have "Fedora" that pulls the latest packages? Just a continuous, rolling upgrade. They drop support for old versions, anyway.

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    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 24 2016, @03:50AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 24 2016, @03:50AM (#432263)

      It's called Tumbleweed. I moved from Fedora and like it much better.

      • (Score: 2) by KritonK on Thursday November 24 2016, @05:42AM

        by KritonK (465) on Thursday November 24 2016, @05:42AM (#432297)

        Tumbleweed is OpenSuse. The closest Fedora has to that is rawhide [fedoraproject.org], which is a rolling release with the latest usable version of everything. This is more bleeding edge than Fedora, and stuff is not guaranteed to work or to keep working.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 24 2016, @05:34AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 24 2016, @05:34AM (#432293)

      I grabbed the ISO and popped it into a VirtualBox. Another solid Linux, apparently the distro choice of Linus himself. Then it wanted upgrades - and did a very Microsoft thing - something now foreign to my working environment since 2008 - Click to "Restart and Install Updates". What-the-???? !!
      Sticking with Linux Mint (mainstream) or maybe Solus (very impressed so far).

      • (Score: 2) by KritonK on Thursday November 24 2016, @05:52AM

        by KritonK (465) on Thursday November 24 2016, @05:52AM (#432299)

        What program did you use to update, so that I know not to use it in the future?

        I use dnf from the command line for updates. I just installed the first batch of updates for Fedora 25, and no reboot was required. In fact, having read somewhere that in newer versions of (Fedora? Linux? Systemd?) certain updates would require a reboot, I must say that I've never actually seen such a thing happening.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 24 2016, @04:37PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 24 2016, @04:37PM (#432450)

          I think what the poster was referring to was the old in-place update process. It relied on a tool called FedUp. Basically what it did was wrap around yum. It would update all your packages to the latest version, rewrite your grub to boot into a special upgrade mode, reboot, change the yum sources, update all the files to the upgrade version, rewrite grub back to where it was, reboot, update packages to the latest version, sometimes ask for kernel reboots, and you were ready. Of course, getting too far from the baseline through customization and you could run into all sorts of problems. Thankfully, DNF is not as fragile on upgrades, but still borks highly customized systems.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 24 2016, @07:00PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 24 2016, @07:00PM (#432513)

          not the op. gnome-software does this windows shit. tried it for about 2 minutes, got nice and pissed, installed packagekit for systems where a gui was desired. gnome is windowsing up lots of things, unfortunately. now after file transfers the stupid notification windows won't go away on it's own. you have to click somewhere. that's fucking stupid. you can't even see the files in your file browser b/c some windows refugee is sabotaging gnome.

  • (Score: 2) by Subsentient on Thursday November 24 2016, @03:02AM

    by Subsentient (1111) on Thursday November 24 2016, @03:02AM (#432246) Homepage Journal

    ... which is good. That's part of what I like about Fedora. Mostly, it stays the same, save for the occasional system component change like *shudder* systemd and pulse. Say what you want about Red Hat, but I *do* like their distros better than debian etc.

    It's stable, writing from Fedora 25 now. I use the dnf upgrade method so I don't need to reboot or anything until the install's completed. It's like a regular 'dnf update' as far as I'm concerned, just takes a bit longer.

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    "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -Jiddu Krishnamurti