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from the we're-not-really-watching-you... dept.
Microsoft is now selling third-parties access to its Windows 10 telemetry data via subscription.
Microsoft struck a deal with security company FireEye recently according to a report on Australian news magazin[e] Arn [sic] which gives FireEye access to all Windows 10 Telemetry data.
The report states that FireEye in return will provide Microsoft with the company's iSIGHT Intelligence software for Windows Defender Advanced Threat Protection on Windows 10 devices.
[...] Windows Defender is built-in to Windows 10 and enabled by default unless other security software is recognized by the operating system.
[...] The news article suggests that the partnership benefits Microsoft, and specifically the reputation and credibility of the commercial version of Windows Defender.
A press release by FireEye on November 3, 2016 provides additional details on the deal. The company's iSIGHT Intelligence software is available through Windows Defender Advanced Threat Protection (WDATP) but not the free version of Windows Defender.
WDATP customers gain access to several technical indicators that are provided by the software. These include the main motivation of the attacker, related tools, information about target sectors and geographies, and a description of the actor and operation.
According to the report on ARN, security teams may also get their hands on Windows 10 Telemetry data via subscription billing models.
Third-parties will get access to telemetry data of all Windows 10 devices. An overview of what that may include is provided on this Technet page.
Neither FireEye, Microsoft or ARN reveal details on the range of Telemetry data that FireEye gains access to.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Gaaark on Friday November 25 2016, @04:03PM
Neither FireEye, Microsoft or ARN reveal details on the range of Telemetry data that FireEye gains access to.
But you trust Microsoft. Don't you?
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by driverless on Saturday November 26 2016, @03:33AM
Microsoft struck a deal with security company FireEye recently which gives FireEye access to all Windows 10 Telemetry data.
This extends existing deals with the NSA, ABIN, CSE, MSS, ASIO, SUPO, _____, NSI, BND, DIH, _____, NIS, AIVD, NICA, ______, FSB, FRA, MGK, _____, GCHQ, CISEN, _____, TC2, and _____, all of of whom have enjoyed special-status access to telemetry data since it was introduced.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @04:23PM
Jail and shame. Shame and jail.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday November 25 2016, @04:33PM
But back on-topic, I have to at least congratulate Microsoft's Bing search engine for not torpedoing its search quality or otherwise resorting to unusual fuckery to benefit Hillary -- unlike the Jew-run preschool-themed search engine did.
The leftist mayhem is a Jewish diversion (Jews run the media, after all. Don't believe me? Even Google will point out Jewish over-representation in American mass-media) to re-direct leftist anger away from the Jews, who were responsible for the Democrats losing the election by anointing Hillary as their Chief Good Goy.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @04:40PM
That still isn't back on-topic just because it has the word Microsoft in it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @04:49PM
at least congratulate Microsoft's Bing search engine for not torpedoing its search quality or otherwise resorting to unusual fuckery to benefit Hillary -- unlike [I assume this is a reference to Google] did.
Ha. I'm surprised you can tell a difference between the two, since it was proved some time ago that Bing search rips off Google's results: http://www.dailytech.com/Google+Catches+Microsoft+Ripping+Off+Its+Search+Engine+Results/article20804.htm [dailytech.com]
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @04:38PM
Even though you're off topic... Why do you think she's been so silent since losing? If there was no hacking to her benefit you could bet she'd be making a stink about losing.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @06:12PM
No, she's being quiet because she doesn't want to come off as the sore loser. Gore did the same thing in 2000. She probably doesn't need to be vocal if she has others leading the charge for her, like Nixon did in 1960. That way she can keep the high road and say she wants to do the honorable thing, but still have challenges waged by others, again, like Nixon did in 1960.
(Score: 3, Funny) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Friday November 25 2016, @04:53PM
Don't be ridiculous, I don't know where you get these outrageous ideas about Hilary Clinton. She doesn't deserve to be locked up. Where would you get such a notion? We owe her a major debt of gratitude for her service to our country. I mean that very sincerely.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 25 2016, @05:34PM
Yeah - she did help the overpopulation problem in Benghazi.
There is a supply side shortage of pronouns. You will take whatever you are offered.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 26 2016, @09:24PM
esperatley need a "whoosh" mod.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @05:38PM
What is it that's said about old age and treachery...
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @04:32PM
Give? Hardly. Sell, yes. Who didn't see this coming?
(Score: 5, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 25 2016, @06:00PM
Who, you ask? A few ignorant old bastards from my generation. And, zillions of clueless fools from the later generations. Seriously - those of us who actually SAW this coming are outnumbered thousands to one by those who don't know, don't care, and can't be bothered.
There is a supply side shortage of pronouns. You will take whatever you are offered.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Hairyfeet on Saturday November 26 2016, @06:23AM
The sad part? The majority don't give a fuck because they are massive narcissists who think the world needs to know their every inane thought and that the entire universe cannot live without their input. You see this all the time now on social media, people posting things that in prior generations would be considered so scandalous they would be ostracized from their community, but now? They post about their abortions and STDs, their drug use and bad behaviors, hell you have criminals posting their crimes and scumbags streaming their last minutes of life live as they threaten cops!
MSFT could frankly make the Windows 10 desktop the Eye Of Sauron and state they are gathering every second of your life and most would not care, they are already posting that data to their social media platforms!
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by ilsa on Friday November 25 2016, @04:42PM
First Microsoft pushes Windows 10 so hard they even resort to using techniques typically used by malware authors. Then they forces telemetry to be recorded by these same installations, and even backport the forced telemetry collection to Windows 8 and 7, while actively preventing the user from disabling it.
Now they're selling the data they collect.
How is this a surprise to anyone that's been paying even the slightest bit of attention?
(Score: 3, Funny) by chewbacon on Friday November 25 2016, @04:47PM
Microsoft said: And what are YOU gonna do about it? Switch to Mac? Linux? Hahahahahahaha!
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @04:53PM
Yes
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @05:45PM
Did this years ago, except the gaming rig. The only telemetry Microshit gets from me is from Steam Big Picture mode. Linux PCs for everything else, and even all the tracker and file history crap is disabled on those.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday November 25 2016, @05:16PM
And Hazuki said to MS: "Yeah, I am. Welcome to 2004. That penguin isn't waving; it's flipping you the bird. So to speak."
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Francis on Friday November 25 2016, @05:29PM
And thanks to MS' own shenanigans with their software store, they managed to scare Steam into porting over to Linux and creating their own Linux Distro.
It's not going to be much longer that there's going to be any real advantage in running Windows over other options as games and a few niche hardware devices were the main things that keep people from making the switch. And hardware gets old and has to be replaced, same goes for most software.
(Score: 2) by Webweasel on Friday November 25 2016, @10:33PM
I hope this is true, the ONLY reason I stay on windows in my home is that I'm a gamer.
I touch linux on and off over the years, as well as BSD and other os's (AIX at work) but linux always hits a "something don't work like it should" barrier for me. Work is a mostly windows environment.
But the PHB told me I gotta learn puppet n chef n shit like that, so all aboard woo woo.... eh......
Priyom.org Number stations, Russian Military radio. "You are a bad, bad man. Do you have any other virtues?"-Runaway1956
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday November 25 2016, @06:12PM
Mac sucks ass.
Linux now sucks ass too. In the early Ubuntu era Linux was great, it was a viable alternative for all daily-use applications and struck a good Windows-like balance between ease-of-use and usefulness. Now, it sucks shit. The window-managers are all dumbed-down worthless shit, except for KDE, which is just an autistic mess. It's a regression back to the days where if you wanted to do anything useful, then you had to use the terminal for everything and/or spend inordinate amounts of time gutting and rearranging your system just to get it workable.
I am guessing this is due to two major problems - The first is embracing the mobile paradigm on the desktop, which is a fucking pants-on-head retarded idea. The second is work for work's own sake, aka Firefox syndrome, aka "For this next release, I'll move this button from the bottom to the top, and the other one from the right to the left, because I am busy after all!" This does nothing but piss off its dedicated users. I'm running Debian Jessie and am horrified by how dumbed-down it is. There are no minimize or maximize buttons on the windows, there's no easy way to simply drag icons to the desktop. Gnome developers went full-retard, full-circle back into complete autism. Don't even get me started on KDE - so much potential convoluted in all the wrong ways, as if it were written singlehandedly by an autistic Chinaman.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @06:16PM
LOL. Wasn't expecting that. That gave me a chuckle.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @06:50PM
I think you mean Unity sucks... And I agree 100%. Which is why I start with Ubuntu Gnome, then install gnome-flashback which gives me the good old Ubuntu 10.04 desktop look and feel. They (Unity) tried to make Ubuntu look like Windows Metro and pissed off many users, which went elsewhere or learned to like it.
(Score: 2) by inertnet on Friday November 25 2016, @06:58PM
There are no minimize or maximize buttons on the windows
Your window manager must be broken. Happens to me too sometimes (Debian Jessie), windows lose their minimize and maximize buttons sometimes after a bunch of updates. Being a recent Windows 10 refugee since early 2016, it takes me a lot of swearing and surfing to get things working again. Last week I just abandoned the broken Cinnamon desktop for Mate desktop and all is fine again. Until that brakes down, which I'm sure it will someday.
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday November 25 2016, @07:14PM
Just found this gem: [soylentnews.org]
Jesus Christ. For some values of some. Actually, besides the window controls bug, my Jessie UI had a major bugout (I'm guessing with the window zooming) That made my whole desktop look like a close-up of a subsection of a Picasso painting with only the elements surrounding the mouse cursor properly rendered. And my hardware is far from exotic, P4 arch with Intel integrated graphics.
I'm really starting to wonder if there are Microsoft plants within all distros deliberately shitting them up with infuriating design and functionality changes. Probably because more and more of them are wasting time bitching about gender issues and safe spaces [imgur.com] rather than producing workable code. Is 2016 the year of the AIS desktop?
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday November 25 2016, @07:16PM
Er, sorry, this [debian.org] is the first link above, and is the first Google hit when Googling "Jessie Stable."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @08:29PM
Don't like your options? You are free the write your own. You may not be as talented as an autistic Chinaman but that hasn't stopped you before, has it?
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday November 25 2016, @09:30PM
Meh. Probably just resign myself to gutting and rearranging an existing distro, then imaging. Why code or roll from scratch when I could use relics from back when Linux devs got things right?
(Score: 2) by gottabeme on Sunday November 27 2016, @11:27PM
No need for relics, KDE 3.5 lives on in the form of TDE. Latest release came out a couple weeks ago. Try it, it's great. Using it on Jessie. It's like the good old days, except today! I can dig up my old desktop screenshots from 10 years ago and make my current desktop look just like it! I even donated some money to the project, because I'm so thankful that someone is keeping the original KDE vision alive, i.e. making software that is useful, and keeping it working rather than turning it into a toy project and ripping out working code. :)
(Score: 3, Interesting) by dyingtolive on Saturday November 26 2016, @06:02AM
That pic is delightful. I wrote a script once back when I was a BOFH that took all the bash history of the testing and root user accounts on our (non-prod, stop freaking) boxes and glommed it together into one giant text file that rolled the last 24 hours. Whenever I was frustrated or bummed, I'd just look at that shit and see the most hilarious things like that. No one knew it was there because I made it a dot-file. Sadly that was all it took.
It actually came into use when one time one of our programs we used stopped working. I found it was replaced by a blank file. Confused, I check that and find someone tried to cat a empty file and redirected output to that program. I sent out an email saying "don't do this" that received a surprised "you're reading what we type?!", to which I responded "Yes, normally it makes me laugh, but now I'm going to propose using it for new hire screening questions."
I drink a lot less than I used to then, which kinda sucks, but on the bright side, I don't NEED to drink nearly as often.
Don't blame me, I voted for moose wang!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 26 2016, @05:36AM
hehe Happens to me too sometimes
You just summed up *everything* I do with linux. Not sure how but I always end up in the edge cases.
(Score: 2) by RamiK on Saturday November 26 2016, @01:10AM
Use the right tool for the job:
If you actually need a productive desktop with desktop icons and a menu, use xfce.
If you don't like desktop icons, use fluxbox\openbox.
If you like tiling, use i3 + dmenu\j4-dmenu.
If you're feeling adventurous, use Enlightenment.
Gnome and KDE are "designed" for emacs programmers \ browser consumers that don't actually use them, as much as work around them.
As a rule of thumb, if it takes a build farm to build and develop productively, avoid if at all possible.
compiling...
(Score: 1) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Saturday November 26 2016, @02:17AM
Shouldn't autistic people generally have attention to detail?
I suspect Firefox was hosed because google asked them to make it harder to stop scripts (their source of revenue). That meant removing the prominent stop button, and hiding the option for disabling scripting.
I have been testing Linux Mint for about a year, and it is just unstable (with bleeding edge drivers though). It is getting to the point that whenever Debian starts acting weird, it has to do with Lennart Poettering's software.
Sound choppy? uninstall pulseaudio; modern hardware supports mixing anyway.
Network flaky? Remove Network manager.
System does not boot reproducibly? remove systemd.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday November 26 2016, @06:20AM
You're forgetting Xfce. I use it daily, and can make it look like anything from Win2K to Gnome 2.x (y'know, before it went full on can't even count to potato), and it actually does an amazing Mac imitation with Docky, Compiz/Emerald, and the TopMenu plugin.
Xfce is the best DE there is right now.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by RS3 on Saturday November 26 2016, @06:06PM
I agree 100%. Full disclosure- after finding xfce a few years ago, I've stopped trying other window managers, so I can't speak to them, except when/where they're the default such as with CentOS (which I rarely run in GUI mode). 10 or so years ago I got into and loved kde, and I still like it, but it got too big, loaded too many processes that I didn't want or need, I wasted too much time finding and disabling all that unwanted stuff, etc. Somehow I stumbled into xfce, found it runs all my beloved kde apps, very easy to customize, stable, simple, consistent across updates, etc.
(Score: 2) by gottabeme on Sunday November 27 2016, @11:30PM
KDE 3.5 lives on as TDE! Works great on current distros! Give it a try! :)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 26 2016, @02:27PM
No issues with Xubuntu for the last 5 years here. Give it a shot.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @10:10PM
Because there are people not yet jaded enough to disbelieve everything that comes from Microsoft, even a lot of techie nerds bought into the idea that telemetry was about finding bugs and making software better. It has a valid use, but the process is inherently invasive. When put forth by Microsoft a lot of people buy into the marketing PR of how they'll never use it for evil.
So, ya. People self-reinforce certain worldviews, or ascribe the violations to "a few bad apples". At some point you realize it is systemically broken.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @10:36PM
When there are "a few bad apples" being noticed every day, and the so-called good apples are covering up for the bad ones, maybe the whole bunch is rotten.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by captain_nifty on Friday November 25 2016, @05:17PM
In the world we currently live in, data is an asset, and corporations exist to make money from assets, virtually guaranteeing that any data a corporation has access to WILL be monetized in some manner.
This used to be done internally, but ever since Facebook, Google, and the other ad networks of the internet age pioneered this method of revenue generation via sharing user info databases, it will not stop.
If a company has some data on you it will be sold (or shared with trusted third parties i.e. legal speak for sold).
The lesson should be clear. Limit what information you share with corporations, avoid them if possible, or poison the well with as much false information as you can. At some point people should learn that corporations are often no longer a net benefit to them or society and should die. If corporations are people, my vote is for the death penalty.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 25 2016, @05:40PM
"or poison the well with as much false information as you can. "
http://www.onlyrealguys.com/90.jpg [onlyrealguys.com]
Pissing in the well (reservoir) since about 2000! ;^)
There is a supply side shortage of pronouns. You will take whatever you are offered.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @06:03PM
NSFW
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @08:32PM
NSFW
The link or "Microsoft Windows, now with Telemtry Sharing"?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 26 2016, @02:09AM
The former, as the latter is NSFL.
(Score: 1) by metarox on Friday November 25 2016, @06:16PM
What is needed is a bot/app I can install on my machine that will browse a whitelisted list of websites of all types and randomly click on shit/links/products so that in the end it looks like I like everything in the world and poisons that data well. Make that working randomly at different times daily without going nuts on bandwidth and we'll have a winner. Might be more difficult to pull on a phone, but why not restrict it to wifi only for data caps.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by el_oscuro on Saturday November 26 2016, @12:50AM
#!/bin/bash
cat urls.txt | sed -e "s/!PRODUCT_ID!/$RANDOM/" | while read url
do
wget $url
done
SoylentNews is Bacon! [nueskes.com]
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @05:26PM
We all knew this was the next step. This sort of data is the cash cow for the foreseeable future. Its worked out pretty well for google, and everyone else wants a part of that pie too.
(Score: 2) by Nerdfest on Friday November 25 2016, @05:57PM
Goggle doesn't sell their data. It's their most valuable asset.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Friday November 25 2016, @07:22PM
That's my understanding too. Google uses their data as a choke-hold on advertisers wanting to reach you, the potential buyer. Then they sell access to you (via them as an intermediate).
OTOH, I'm not well informed of the actions within Google, so I could be wrong. I believe I'm better informed than at least most of those who spout "Google is selling our data", but there might be some who are informed. And they could be strong-armed by a government. So I still don't like it, but I *do* like their search engine (I don't use any of their other services).
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Nerdfest on Friday November 25 2016, @08:50PM
Any US company can be strong-armed by their government. The only thing they can do to protect you is let you protect your data with your own key (this obviously won't work for Google), or not store any data at all. I think this is okay as long as the users know it going in, as it's a trade. The companies you need to watch out for are those that hand over data to the government WITHOUT A FUCKING WARRANT. This should be extremely illegal.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @09:30PM
i.e. AT&T. Good luck making that illegal (it's already unconstitutional and the third party doctrine is unworkable bullshit in the 21st century) when the same government that would have to make the practice illegal also wants the data.
(Score: 5, Informative) by digitalaudiorock on Friday November 25 2016, @06:07PM
I use almost exclusively Linux, though I have a windows laptop for my work. Even on that I primarily do development within a CentOS VM in VM Workstation Player.
That aside, when I updated from Windows 8 to 10 I knew it was doing insane shit around all this "telemetry" just based on that enless hard drive activity. I was doing nothing and my hard drive was all but being maxed out. Here's what I ended up doing:
1. Disable "microsoft compatibility telemetry" processes:
Based on this:
http://winaero.com/blog/how-to-disable-telemetry-and-data-collection-in-windows-10 [winaero.com]
In regedit, you have to navigate to:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\DataCollection
...and add a new 32-bit word named AllowTelemetry set to 0.
2. Apparently ALL the hard drive activity was related to the wsappx process from the Windows Store Service (WSService) and related
services. MS does NOT seem to want this to be disabled but you can.
Just for laughs, here's an MS employee feeding angry users a load of BS on this issue:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_perf/wsappx-process-takes-more-cpu-usage/73393475-312c-4044-8c9e-a5f78f4d7c4c [microsoft.com]
However towards the end of this page there's a real fix, which disables the services in the registry:
http://www.ghacks.net/2015/05/11/what-is-wsappx-and-why-is-causing-high-cpu-load/ [ghacks.net]
In the following registry keys:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\AppXSVC
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\ClipSVC
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\WSService
Change the "Start" REG_DWORD value from:
0x00000003 (3)
to
0x00000004 (4)
After doing that my system is dead quiet unless I'm doing something. How on earth does anyone tolerate this Godless OS anyway??
(Score: 1) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Friday November 25 2016, @07:01PM
The solution has been scrubbed from that page.
Instead, you are supposed to dick around with msconfig.
(Score: 1) by J_Darnley on Saturday November 26 2016, @10:49AM
You can see at least one scrubbed comment in the Wayback Machine here http://wayback.archive.org/web/20160321001335/http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_perf/wsappx-process-takes-more-cpu-usage/73393475-312c-4044-8c9e-a5f78f4d7c4c [archive.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 26 2016, @11:40AM
This is why solutions need to be copied.
Answer your own question in stackexchange.
(Score: 3, Informative) by digitalaudiorock on Saturday November 26 2016, @02:16PM
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but both registry changes I referred to are still in those page. If you're referring to the Microsoft page, that never had a solution, just an someone at MS feeding everyone a bunch of crap that doesn't stop those store services from reading the crap out of your hard drive.
(Score: 1) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Saturday November 26 2016, @06:12PM
Sorry about that, I missed the non-Microsoft links for some reason.
(Score: 2) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Friday November 25 2016, @09:47PM
I use almost exclusively Linux, though I have a windows laptop for my work....when I updated from Windows 8 to 10 I knew it was doing insane shit around all this "telemetry" just based on that enless hard drive activity...
How on earth does anyone tolerate this Godless OS anyway??
I generally don't, except for two bits of (non computer) hardware that need windows. I boot into vista on an old laptop about twice a year. When that laptop stops working the (still working) hardware will be joining it at the local e-recycler.
It's NOT a conspiracy... it's a plot.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Friday November 25 2016, @06:47PM
So now, when somebody from "Microsoft" says that you computer has been sending the errors caused by viruses, there is a small chance they are telling the truth?
I guess to be precise, the one saying they are from Microsoft would be lying. If they say the have purchased a list of errors from Microsoft, they may have some credibility.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 25 2016, @08:27PM
https://i.imgur.com/3wssnRc.jpg [imgur.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 26 2016, @12:04PM
Weren't they some leet haxxors, that sold out to McAffe? Just like L0pht sold out to Symantec? After the snafu with their (fireeye's) boxes being remotely exploitable; amongst other things, i do not have any particular trust into their abilities. Yes, they listen with they honeypots. So does everybody else, big whoop. Never going to be fast enough to react in time. A bunch of gray-faced clowns in suits, that's what they are. But hey, people pay them. Must be doing something right, lol.