A lorry has ploughed into a busy Christmas market in the heart of Berlin, killing nine people and injuring many more, police say. Police say they suspect it was a deliberate attack. Video shows stalls knocked over and people lying injured. A suspicious person has been arrested nearby, while a passenger was found dead, police say. The market is at Breitscheidplatz, close to the Kurfuerstendamm, the main shopping street in the city's west. Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman, Steffen Seibert, tweeted to say: "We are in mourning for the dead and hope that the many injured can get help."
There are now reports from local police that 12 people have been confirmed killed in the attack.
https://twitter.com/polizeiberlin/status/810940347006197760
A man stormed into a Zurich mosque on Monday evening and opened fire on people praying, injuring three, Swiss police said.
They said they had collected evidence inside the building and would make more details available on Tuesday. They declined to comment on the potential motive.
Two of the three men -- aged 30, 35 and 56 -- were seriously injured in the attack shortly after 5:30 p.m. local time (1630 GMT) near the main train station in Switzerland's financial capital, Zurich police said.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:38AM
There are two groups of people in opposition here.
Those who want a modern race war and those who think the first group are assholes.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:50AM
There's a third group: those who think you're all assholes. Why won't all of JUST FUCKING DIE.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:03AM
Why won't all of JUST FUCKING DIE do what, and what does that acronym stand for?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @05:26AM
That's it, you're on the list! You were already on the list, the list of everyone! The plan is to Kill everyone!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @05:29AM
The word you're looking for is humanicide.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @07:16AM
Fuck the humans, destroy anything which has a genome.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @08:22AM
So biocide?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:07PM
Ex-ter-mi-nate.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @07:29PM
Only KDE shall remain?
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:25AM
Moslem is not a race, you cunt.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:33PM
Cunt is not a race you moslem.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:05AM
Why would they shoot up a mosque? Are they non-Muslims taking revenge, or is it a Muslim factional dispute?
Sigh. The best thing I can think of for the rest of the world to do about Islam is to stop using petroleum entirely. It removes the only reason for the rest of the world to meddle in their affairs, and deprives Islamic terror of the funds they use to visit their dysfunction on others.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:15AM
They blow eachother up on a daily basis. It's just not important enough to make the evening news. It's like black on black violence. This mosque was probably moderate or progressive. Isis can't have that going on when they're trying to take over the world with their child raping fairytales.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:38AM
You can't say that! Muhammad married a 8 year old girl and took children as slaves. This makes all of what islamists do today perfectly legal and acceptable. Disagree and they may kill you. Unless you are female in which case you deserve to be a.slave by marriage or as property. The koran says so.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:47AM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @03:02AM
Sane ≠ Intelligent.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @03:20AM
But, but, but but! The Quran is software for people. If you are a muslim you must literally follow every verse just like a computer follows every instruction without question. You really don't understand how religion works.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @05:13AM
Might as well drop the entire religion, then. I don't see what's so appealing about cherrypicking and rationalizing everything.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:16AM
If you can't live your life like a computer following instructions by rote then what is the point of life?!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:10PM
Modern computers trap on illegal instructions.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @03:25AM
Except MikeeUSA, that is! But I bet he wears fabric woven of two kinds of thread! Heretic!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @05:22AM
Say it to my face.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @12:50PM
I would love to.
Where do you live Mikee?
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:23AM
Where is this majority, and why are they not saying that what is written in Koran should not be taken literally? Oh that's fucking right, those that would say that are murdered almost instantly. But I guess there could be a silent "complicit" majority...
(Score: 2) by q.kontinuum on Tuesday December 20 2016, @09:41AM
not to believe [...] is not acceptable today.
I think what you wrote is not what you wanted to write...
Registered IRC nick on chat.soylentnews.org: qkontinuum
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21 2016, @05:55AM
Negation is a harsh mistress.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @12:47PM
Actually, this is the heart of the problem. A large number of them sincerely believe that this is the case. They are mentally stuck in the medieval age. You can see them walking around the streets with their hair covered proudly broadcasting to the world their perceptive of how things should be.
It may be time to declare the lot of them mentally incompetent.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:18AM
Too late. It isn't about meddling for oil anymore - meddling set up the conditions, now they are somewhat self-sustaining. Its about the fact that west is the 800lb gorilla. A gorilla that can be lured and is used to sitting wherever it wants without caring who it crushes.
The asshole wing of the religion sees the west as a big stick they can use to hit conventional muslims with. Like a lever and a fulcrum - kill enough westerners (the fulcrum) and the lever will swing and do 1000x the damage to regular muslims. ISIS is just itching to bait Trump [businessinsider.com] into doing something that will indiscriminately harm muslims. They think it will drive the more secular into the arms of the fundie assholes and those who don't join the fundies, well no loss they aren't "real" muslims anyway.
(Score: 2) by archfeld on Tuesday December 20 2016, @03:19AM
Without the need for oil, the 'west' could and would generally just abandon and ignore the middle east. Cease western supported air traffic and the financial influx generated by oil. That would dry up most of the funds used to arm and supply the terrorists. Without the outside focus on a 'common' enemy the various faction would fall into a vicious circle of hatred and the moderates would finally get tired of it and have them all put down.
For the NSA : Explosives, guns, assassination, conspiracy, primers, detonators, initiators, main charge, nuclear charge
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @03:37AM
its like you didn't read anything in the post you responded to and instead just posted a canned response of talking points
who is paying you, or do you just do it as a hobby?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:30AM
It's like you're illiterate, and didn't understand anything GP posted.
We're gonna be able to vacation in Gaza, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and maybe Minnesota soon. Incredible times.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Francis on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:10AM
We could, and ultimately, we do need to stop meddling in their affairs as the terrorism that we've been fighting is largely coming from the Middle East. There's also the domestic terrorists, but it seems a tad easier to deal with terrorists if you're not purposefully inflaming tensions to have cause to fund defense contractors.
At this point, it should be clear to anybody with two brain cells to rub together that continuing to interfere isn't working. At this point there have been so many mistakes made in the region by various administrations that even if we do adopt the right strategy, they'll write it off as being a strategy rather than a heartfelt effort to help.
Best thing would really be to just stop supplying weapons to the region, stop permitting companies to do business with the region and let nature take its course. Unfortunately, that would probably not work as we already allowed the Israelis to gain nuclear weapons and I don't doubt that they're crazy enough to use them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2016, @04:58PM
The solution is well-known but unpalatable to modern liberals: change the culture by force and/or just exterminate people
For example, they could be forced to be outwardly Christian. All expressions of non-conformance get death by torture. After a few generations, it starts to actually stick, and you can let up on the brutality.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 23 2016, @05:45AM
Use the favoured muslim tactic against them? Good idea.
We can start by forcing them to obey our laws.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by TheGratefulNet on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:50AM
sorry, but even if we stopped buying their stuff, 100% stopped - they have a religious 'drive' to conquer the whole world.
most americans fail to see this and they deny deny deny it. they think that 'our meddling' is the cause of it.
100% false.
their religious book tells them that they are allowed temporary peace-times in order to regroup and regain strength. but the fight to convert the world to islam CAN NOT STOP until they reach their goal.
the sooner we realize this, the sooner we can try to fix it. I have no idea HOW to fix it, but at least admitting what the real problem is would go a long way.
thinking that its because of this or that or israel - all just distractions. their holy books command them to own the whole world. that's it. full stop.
in other words, their religion is incompatible with world peace until/unless we all get murdered or converted.
you want that?
no, no one here does.
but we keep lying to ourselves what the real cause is.
"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:32AM
some fucking liberal actually moderated you a troll for speaking truth
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @09:42AM
Must be a muslim with mod points on today.
Same thing happens when they move to western countries to breed. Eventually they vote a muslim to power and then it goes to hell.
Happening in Sydney right now.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @12:53PM
Fine. Two muslims with mod points.
Does not stop the fact that western Sydney is turning into a shithole due to the increasing muslim population
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:26PM
[citation needed]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21 2016, @10:48AM
Your GoogleFu has failed you.
https://duckduckgo.com/html/?q=sydney%20muslim%20problems [duckduckgo.com]
Let's start with: http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/10/08/22/10/western-sydney-has-got-a-muslim-problem-mark-latham-on-the-verdict [9news.com.au]
Here's another: https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2016/03/04/australias-child-bride-problem/ [wordpress.com]
There is a slew of news articles on the Western Sydney problem directly related to the number of muslims in the area.
I went there recently to look for myself. Never have I seen so many police officers walking around in pairs in the shop areas. Tussles in the street. Angry looks from veiled women. Not the worst part though. Much of the area has been taken over by Vietnamese and Chinese immigrants who have built a new life in Australia. There is a vast rich society woven through the area with several cultures working and living together. Except the muslims. The locals now feel threatened by the muslims who are claiming Western Sydney for themselves. This results in conflict on the streets with bloodshed.
Citation needed? Google it. Or visit there and see for your self.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21 2016, @11:01AM
http://awesternheart.blogspot.com/2009/09/sydneys-lebanese-muslim-problem.html [blogspot.com]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Australia#Sectarian_tensions [wikipedia.org]
"The Sydney gang rapes formed a much reported set of incidents in 2000; a group of Lebanese men sexually assaulted non-Muslim women. In 2005, tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims in the Cronulla area of Sydney led to violent rioting; the incident resulted in mass arrests and criminal prosecution. In 2012, Muslims protesting in central Sydney against Innocence of Muslims, an anti-Islam film trailer, resulted in rioting."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Australia#Lebanese_Muslims [wikipedia.org]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeFe8kj70ac [youtube.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2016, @10:54AM
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/security-guard-cannot-account-for-missing-11-minutes-with-girl-at-dfo-homebush-court-20161222-gtgpiq.html [smh.com.au]
Mohammad Hassan Al-Bayati appeared in Campbelltown Local Court on Thursday charged with committing an act of indecency towards the girl at the DFO Homebush shopping centre on Sunday.
Cameras from inside DFO Homebush allegedly show Mr Al-Bayati then walked down one of the centre's corridors and into a locked fire exit stairwell.
There were no cameras inside the stairwell, where Mr Al-Bayati and the girl remained for 11 minutes.
It is here police allege Mr Al-Bayati exposed himself to the girl and performed an indecent act in what prosecutors described as an "opportunistic attack"
"The child made disclosures about an act of indecency and stated that she was 'taken by a policeman' who was going to take her to her mum," police documents before the court state.
Mr Al-Bayati was arrested and charged on Wednesday where he gave an interview with police where he admitted that he did breach the centre protocol by finding a lost child and taking her down the secluded corridor.
But he denied allegations that he had performed an indecent act or exposed himself to the girl.
"The accused could not provide investigators with any explanations for the unaccounted 11 minutes inside the stairwell with the child," police documents stated.
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Wednesday December 21 2016, @08:36PM
Yeah, London's gone to hell with a Muslim for mayor.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @08:02AM
Yes, those are generally known as extremists. They exist in all cultures. I will grant you that islam currently holds a pretty low ranking in "humanity" on a statistical basis, but every culture has its share of nutjobs. With Muslims being a rather significant percentage of humanity I think it is important to keep the distinction between violent and non-violent.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @08:21AM
The holy books of all religions say many things, but few even religious people take everything they say at face value. Most of the people who take what their religious books say completely literally, be they the Bible or the Quran, should be considered insane. Just as there are many denominations of Christians, there are many denominations of Muslims, and the Wahhabi sect of Islam whose doctrines you have described is like their equivalent of the Westboro Baptist Church or the various protestant denominations subscribing to extreme forms of dominion theology. The majority of other Muslims have denounced it as ‘vile sect’ and a ‘Satanic faith’. The only problem is Wahhabism has gained plenty of power and influence thanks to it being the favoured sect of the House of Saud and thus it received state sponsorship in Saudi Arabia, and the Saudis have used profits from petroleum exports to try to increase its influence worldwide. No, if we stopped buying their stuff, that would put a big dent in their ability to do that. If the West stopped meddling in their affairs that would make the fundamentalist doctrines of Wahhabi Islam less appealing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @08:33AM
Most religious books have that stuff in them (for instance, the bible is full of it).
If people act on it depends on circumstances.
You can deny oil use and western policies have anything to do with it, but that would not solve the problems we have with islam atm.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @09:12AM
Ideas?
1. Kill them all
2. Move them all to a single country to be contained forever (WIRM)
3. Kill most of them
4. Stop halal certification scams
5. Stop recognising islam as a religion
6. Classify islam as a terrorist organisation with clear intent, funds, man power and will to do so. Respond accordingly.
7. Ask islamists nicely to stop killing everyone else in the name of their god
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:57PM
> they have a religious 'drive' to conquer the whole world.
>
> most americans fail to see this and they deny deny deny it. they think that 'our meddling' is the cause of it.
Exactly! As the Quran says:
“And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.'” - Mark 16:15-16
“And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.” - Matthew 24:14 NKJV
And what about those that are sinners?
Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves - Numbers 31:17-18
And let us not forget how the Quran deals with unruly children:
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Duteronemy 21:18-21
And what if someone mentions other faiths?
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again. - Duteronemy 13
At least I swear that was the Quran, I always get my fairy tales mixed up.
(Score: 2) by Username on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:13AM
We cannot never stop using petroleum, but we can start supporting domestic or allied sources instead of islamic sources.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @12:56PM
It won't matter. Either way you pay the halal tax which feeds the mosques which generates the muslim jihadies
Try again?
(Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Tuesday December 20 2016, @11:46AM
Why? To radicalise the moderates, of course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAqIFtlH_hA [youtube.com]
Clip is from Four Lions, a (very) dark comedy about a bunch of inept wannabe jihadi terrorists. A brilliant film for so many reasons. If nothing else, it helps deflate the image of these twats as unstoppable supervillains, and shows them up for the fallible, farcical human beings they really are.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:25PM
Run a search on any random video hosting site for "jihadi fail" or the like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kQ8E9BB97Q [youtube.com]
(No login required yet, so enjoy some stupid music and jihadist idiots ungraphically disappearing in explosions they caused.)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @12:56PM
The best thing I can think of for the rest of the world to do about Islam is to stop using petroleum entirely. It removes the only reason for the rest of the world to meddle in their affairs,
Seems to work out for Pakistan just fine? Or Afghanistan? Right... UK and France wanted to draw borders in the sand, and now there are problems.
It's not about meddling in local affairs anymore. And it's not even about Islam anymore (and their need for Reformation). What we see today is crazy people that want to have their 5 minutes of fame, and it's sadly working. The 24h news cycle, and now the 10-second twitter/facebook message cycle is what is fueling quite a sizable proportion of this crap.
So what do you do about it? Censor ourselves? Seems like a good way of moving forward. The world doesn't stop, and is definitely not affected by relatively minor, local events like these. What is affected is our perception of the world and only we can fix that.
Extremists are always a problem and always will be. The problem is with extremists that have influence and that get societies to follow them. And that problem is sadly not that remote anymore mostly because of "newsworthy"
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:07AM
I'm so glad that in 2016 people crash trucks into other people out enjoying themselves over the writings of an ancient, insane, child raping camel jockey.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by q.kontinuum on Tuesday December 20 2016, @07:06AM
US and Nato, attacking Iraq in the name of God, destabilising Syria - the gift that keeps giving...
Capitalism, allowing huge fishing fleets from Europe to empty African fishing grounds - the gift that keeps giving (to us, not to the Africans, obviously)
Developed nations - the gift that keeps giving CO2, keeping us all snug and warm in the long run
I think we have worse problems in our world than an asshole every couple of months killing some people and claiming it was supposed to promote a "religion" of "devotion and love". I'm not defending any lunatic terrorists, but once again the main-suspect was a known petty-criminal, not a devoted deciple. Let's stop dignifying such disgusting acts as some kind of religious culture-clash or overture of some doomsday dark age.
Btw: I'm working in Berlin, right now passing by the area where it happened. If I considered Berlin a terror-war-zone I'd have the same reason to be scared as anyone else here. I don't and I'm not. I hope the rest of my fellow citizens stay level-headed as well!
Registered IRC nick on chat.soylentnews.org: qkontinuum
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @07:33AM
"the main-suspect was a known petty-criminal"
The word you are looking for is "refugee", I believe.
We're gonna be able to vacation in Gaza, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and maybe Minnesota soon. Incredible times.
(Score: 2) by q.kontinuum on Tuesday December 20 2016, @08:16AM
To my line of argument it does not matter if he was a refugee or not. For a credible religious lunatic, I expect he follows the rules of his religion, which means: No alcohol, no theft, no other drugs etc. Only the no-killing part is omitted because of this "war"-thing in "holy war". I can't find the link anymore, but yesterday evening I read that this guy was a police-known petty-criminal.
We (as in USA, EU and associates) are destabilizing the middle-east for decades. We (as in especially Germany) deliver weapons to autocratic regimes and cause a lot of mayhem in many little and bigger ways. It is no surprise to me that people growing up in those regions tend to be a bit biases against "our" culture, and maybe a bit frustrated. Probably the more they learn about politics, the more frustrated they get, and at some point the frustration will in some cases exceed the gratitude of some refugees to be allowed into our land after we orchestrated the destruction of theirs. I just think that religion is the crystallization-point for all the anger, not the cause.
I'm not justifying the attacks; I didn't harm anyone in those regions, neither did my son or my wife, and people living here should try to make their living here. I'm also not convinced it would be justified to just pull out of that region immediately. I'm just saying if we stop messing up their countries, maybe we wouldn't have so many refugees coming here, and maybe those who do come here would be less inclined to do any attacks.
Of course, there is a distinct possibility that if those countries aligned in peace and collaborated among each other, oil prices would be uncomfortably higher for us...
Registered IRC nick on chat.soylentnews.org: qkontinuum
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @08:31AM
I tossed the refugee in there, because one of the articles I read stated that he was a known petty criminal, AND a refugee.
I don't know if this will help your thinking - but Islam separates the world into two distinct and separate parts. Dar al Islam is the House of Submission. Dar al Haarb is the House of War. If you don't live in, if you aren't part of Islam, then you are of the House of War.
https://sites.google.com/site/muslimdeception/dar-al-harb [google.com]
Each and every person has their own story to tell about their involvement in this huge war. All those stories are very human. But, bottom line, Islam stands against all the rest of the world. Islam isn't so very different from old England, or any of the rest of the old European aristocracy - except that Islam's priests rule Islam instead of an aristocracy. Or, maybe the priests are the aristocracy?
Anyway - back to the refugees. The refugees are predominantly military aged males, who have left their families back at home, to deal with the war. They aren't really refugees, at all. They are on a mission to subvert Europe, and to subvert Western culture. The term "refugee" can only be used sarcastically, in most cases.
We're gonna be able to vacation in Gaza, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and maybe Minnesota soon. Incredible times.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by q.kontinuum on Tuesday December 20 2016, @09:25AM
You do realize that the transit to Europe is quite dangerous and can only be achieved illegally, while once you are here and are accepted as a refugee you are permitted to get your family here as well? Like, if you can't pay the human traffickers they will sell your body parts to reimburse their expenses? Hungary partially coming down violently on potential refugees? You realize, maybe, that many of the Syrian refugees are actually Christians? Well, probably you didn't. Otherwise it would be obvious, why they do not send children and young women here.
Once they are here, they to apply for them to be allowed here as well, but probably this is also prove again that they want to overrun our country by deviously coming in smaller numbers and increasing the number later by abusing their right for family reunion :-)
There are a lot of problems, among the refugees as well as between the refugees and locals. There is harassment from Islam refugees against Christian ones (especially targeted at converts). There are cultural differences, and especially women are probably not permitted by their family to make the necessary effort to integrate (learn German, study, etc.). There are probably many men having difficulties adjusting to a society where women can be in a position of power, and where they have to obey women in some cases. There are lots of frustrated young men who probably used to be king of the hill back home and are now not even able to communicate enough to buy a packet of cigarettes. I would be happy if Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. could be considered safe and there wouldn't be any reason for anyone to seek for asylum here. But it's not the case, and our politics is one of the root-causes.
Registered IRC nick on chat.soylentnews.org: qkontinuum
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:49PM
It still looks like a flood of muslims is invading Europe
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @09:57PM
What does this have to do with the question whether he was a refugee?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @10:24PM
There are none so blind as those who will not see. The man was a refugee. He was brought into the country as a refugee, with all his paperwork in order to establish that status. The article stated as much . A refugee - who turned on his benefactors. The dog that bites the hand that feeds him. Are you getting it now?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/745447/Asylum-seeker-migrant-arrested-Berlin-lorry-terror-attack [express.co.uk]
Alright - updated article here, seems to suggest they got the wrong attacker. But it explains quite well that the refugee status of the attacker is important.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/who-naved-b-pakistani-refugee-9488870 [mirror.co.uk]
We're gonna be able to vacation in Gaza, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and maybe Minnesota soon. Incredible times.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @12:58PM
That is complete BS.
Muslims drink.
Muslims smoke.
What utter crap.
(Score: 2) by q.kontinuum on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:08PM
That is complete BS.
Some Muslims drink (and are punished by other Muslims).
Some Muslims smoke (and are punished by other Muslims).
What utter crap.
The only common denominator all Muslims share is that they are Muslims. They are not all violent, nor all strong believers. We had a Muslim Au-Pair in our house that loved eating our Pizza (in spite of the bacon and the pork salami), and virtually never covered her hair.
If we had millions of determined religious fanatic warriors in Germany, I think we would notice.
Registered IRC nick on chat.soylentnews.org: qkontinuum
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2016, @02:02AM
You don't notice the people driving trucks through crowded areas? Molesting children at public swimming pools? Assaults with weapons on public transport? Sexual assault by large groups of men in public places?
You must be blind.
Or muslim.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:43PM
You certainly believe wrongly. The two words have very different meaning. In particular, there are many petty-criminals who are not refugees, and there are many refugees who are not petty-criminals.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @05:58PM
Go back, and try READING the conversation to which you are attempting to respond. You can't just reach into /dev/random and pull something out, hoping it fits into the coversation. And, no, /dev/urandom doesn't work any better.
We're gonna be able to vacation in Gaza, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and maybe Minnesota soon. Incredible times.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:33PM
Did you just call Hillary Clinton [telegraph.co.uk] a god?
(Score: 2) by q.kontinuum on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:59PM
No, I was talking about Bushs [theguardian.com] holy war...
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:07AM
The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a truck, is a good guy with a truck!
(Score: 5, Troll) by n1 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:17AM
Pedestrian only areas and footpaths are very dangerous and anti-freedom, the liberal elite only created them to make it easier for the terrorists to kill hard working westerners.
The strangest thing though is the Christmas market... I thought Christmas had been outlawed in Europe to placate the same liberals...
(Score: 5, Informative) by takyon on Tuesday December 20 2016, @05:28AM
To get the elusive (Score:5, Troll), you needed to get upmodded twice, but not the same upmod (Insightful and Touché), downmodded with Troll, which becomes the label on the post, and then to +5 with +2 Underrated, which does not affect the label.
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(Score: 1) by chucky on Tuesday December 20 2016, @05:29AM
I don't really think this should be modded 'troll'. In my part of the world you'd perhaps call it highly sarcastic, but it's not necessarily trolling, especially the last part:
I thought Christmas had been outlawed in Europe to placate the same liberals.
Things happened in Europe in the past. In 1950s, communists in Central European countries tried to get rid of Christmas and replace them with New Year, like in Russia. Then in present times, hearing and reading about towns where they wouldn't have Christmas trees, just so that they don't hurt feelings of non-Christians, is quite disturbing. Would a conservative come up with such an idea? Hardly.
So no, even though you may not like what was written, modding this troll shows me lack of sense of dark humor rather than anything else.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @08:29AM
Then in present times, hearing and reading about towns where they wouldn't have Christmas trees, just so that they don't hurt feelings of non-ChristiansThen in present times, hearing and reading about towns where they wouldn't have Christmas trees, just so that they don't hurt feelings of non-Christians
That doesn't even make sense, the "Christmas" tree is not related to Christianity, but stolen from older winter solstice traditions. If it had anything to do with Christ, it would have been a palm tree.
Up here we celebrate Yule (Danish: Jul), and our Yule-tree looks just about the same as your Christmas tree, though we have birds (glass or plastic, not living birds) among the things decorating the tree. Both the birds and the tree represent the celebration of the calendar starting to go towards longer days and spring. Oh, and guess why Yule falls just a few days after the shortest day of the year...
The Christmas tree has as much to do with Christmas as Santa Claus, representing consumerism dressed in the corporate colors of the Coca Cola Company.
(Score: 2) by chromas on Saturday December 24 2016, @04:09AM
To be fair, there's probably not much about Christianity that isn't stolen; floods, prophets, magicians, saints. Import the best traditions from all the other guys and Make Religion Great Again. It's gonna be yuuule!
(Score: 4, Insightful) by mojo chan on Tuesday December 20 2016, @08:35AM
This is a myth. For example, it was reported that Birmingham tried to replace Christmas with "Winterval", but it's not true. It was some little scheme the council came up with to try to involve the non-Christian shops in Christmas, but the actual Christmas stuff carried on unabated with lights and tress and all that shit.
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(Score: 2, Funny) by kurenai.tsubasa on Tuesday December 20 2016, @12:18PM
Holy shit, I didn't even realize the true mastermind behind the elimination of Christmas. Here I thought it was gay faggots. It was the baby New Year [wikipedia.org] all along! Slaughter it! It's a demon from the burning hells that's taken the form of a cherub! Shout “Merry Christmas!” at it until it melts!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @12:24PM
As mojo chan points out, it's a good troll precisely because so many people seem to believe this "ZOMG muslims and librulz poltical correctness police are killing christmas and/or any other thing!" The USA's own post-truth pioneer was pulled up on his comments about london a year back, yet an awful lot of people still seem be parroting the lines about no-go Muslim-only areas or that places like Birmingham regularly chop the hands off white people or some other bullshit.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/trumpfacts-twitter-ridicules-donald-trump-s-radicalised-london-claims-a6766176.html [independent.co.uk]
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-uk-should-thank-him-london-radicalised-police-scared-no-go-a6767606.html [independent.co.uk]
I used to live next door to a small mosque in an area of london that was heavily* pakistani and the most discomfort it caused me was when, during the big religious festivals like ramadan, there were too many people praying so they'd spill out on to the street and you'd open the front door to a couple of dozen people kneeling on prayer mats on the pavement. Oh, the horror.
n1, have a +1 from me. Nicely done :)
* Heavily by London standards anyway, I think it was about 10-15% of the area were of pakistani extraction and judging by the accents about half of them were british-born. As any fule no, eating turkey at christmas is like nailing an egg to the cross, so wishing everybody a merry one :)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:53PM
The problem comes when you get caned for not joining them on the ground to pray
If you you don't see this then you deserve what is coming
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:17PM
I'm not sure, but I think GP would have noticed if s/he were caned or beheaded for not joining them in prayer.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:22PM
Not joining them on the ground to pray gets you drunk? [cambridge.org] ;-)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2016, @02:06AM
No, caned.
https://www.pri.org/stories/2011-05-23/indonesias-aceh-defends-public-caning [pri.org]
They claim that their sharia law only applies to muslims. Problem is, once the muslim population is dominant then sharia applies to everyone.
http://mashable.com/2016/04/14/aceh-public-caning/#xRUPLBFR9uqw [mashable.com]
There are many examples of what happens when muslim populations exceed 50% of a population. Goodbye country, time to move somewhere else that doesn't have muslims.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Thexalon on Tuesday December 20 2016, @12:18PM
Actually, the last people to try to ban Christmas in western nations were the Puritans, in the 1600's, because they felt that it was pagan idolatry and encouraged idle drunkenness. This is one of the many instances where Puritans demonstrated that their real core belief was a lingering fear that somewhere, somebody was having a good time.
"Think of how stupid the average person is. Then realize half of 'em are stupider than that." - George Carlin
(Score: 2, Interesting) by aristarchus on Tuesday December 20 2016, @05:31AM
If I may ask, why were these two news items combined? Both involving violence in Europe? Hardly significant enough to justify conjoining. Or are we playing into the "War On Terra"? We even have the accusation of the attack on a mosque being done by muslims? Pretty obvious to me that it is alt-right types, in the European sense of alt (old)-right. But more likely to have been Menucians. Let us not use the deaths of innocents for political ends, it is unseemly.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday December 20 2016, @05:40AM
There really is no reason not to combine the stories, and it has nothing to do with the alt-right:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/international/2016/12/day_of_deadly_violence_casts_dark_cloud_on_holiday_week [bostonherald.com]
I submitted just the truck part and when I saw a similar article in Google News I suggested to my fellow editors to throw the Zurich attack in.
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by aristarchus on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:29AM
That kind of my point: not similar? What is next, Robot Santa from Futurama? Less editorial presumption, please.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @07:35AM
That post, from a presumptuous bitch?
(Score: 2, Interesting) by jIyajbe on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:02AM
Give me access to all of the major newspapers on the planet on any given day, allow me to pick and choose which stories of murders to report, and which stories to ignore, and I will advance any political narrative you wish advanced.
"Don't blame the log for the fire." --Andrew Ratshin
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:56PM
Let's see you explain away yet another muslim driving a van through a crowd of people
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:36AM
is the insignificant portion of this discussion
We're gonna be able to vacation in Gaza, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and maybe Minnesota soon. Incredible times.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by aristarchus on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:39AM
Fuck you, Runaway! I recently found out that you are a perpetrator of stolen valor! You never served in the United States Military, least of all in the Navy! You are a racist Trump supporter, and I do not like you! Also, you are not too smart. Do you think that the terrorists are coming after you? Well, do ya?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @07:06AM
This right here is why I make a point of fucking your mother regularly. Up the pooper.
Also, I put a bag on her head because she's just as ugly as you. Seriously, do everybody a favor and wear a mask over that ugly mug.
(Score: 3, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @07:13AM
My question is, have you ever spoken the truth in your life? You know shit about me, or what I have done, or not done. Of all the stolen valor cases I have ever seen, the wannabe fuckwads claim to be Navy Seals, or Recon Rangers, or Airborne. Stolen valor cases never claim to be fucking DESTROYER MEN!! We, the unsung heros, who place our own bodies in the line of fire, to ensure that the glamor boys aboard the carriers aren't hurt. No one wants to be like us. Find us just one stolen valor case, in which the false serviceman claims to be a nobody from a destroyer. "I was a supply clerk on a little dinky destroyer!" Or, "I was a gunner's mate aboard a destroyer with a little 3 inch gun." Or, "I kept the fires lit in a destroyer's boilers!" Stolen valor. Get a fucking clue you idiot. I am a destroyer man, and no one in the world gives a fuck about destroyermen.
As for liking me? I'm certainly glad that you don't like me. If you did like me, I would start doubting my own judgement.
Terrorists coming for me? You mean again? Been there, done that. Not all of us are pampered, sheltered, spoiled children, ya weenie.
Back to your first question - what is the relationship between these two stories? ISLAM!! It has been a day of terror in Europe. Did you notice the OTHER terrorist shot the Russian envoy to Turkey today? ISLAM!! Deist motherfuckers who won't tolerate you not worshipping their vision of God. THAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP!!
It isn't clear yet whether a Muzzie shot up the mosque in Switzerland. But, that mosque has been in the news, and it has been criticized by public officials for permitting Muslim kids to be "radicalized". The thing is, a moderate Muslim is a radical mofo anywhere outside of Islam.
Wake up and smell the coffee - Islam is an existential threat to all ways of life that are not MUSLIM!
We're gonna be able to vacation in Gaza, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and maybe Minnesota soon. Incredible times.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Tuesday December 20 2016, @08:29AM
So, you're scared? And yeah, Navy, huh. What destroyer? What time frame? Why are you so afraid?
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @08:43AM
Fear? You have never feared anything? You have no fear in your life? Then you must be a gullible fool. There is plenty to fear in this world. I went out and met some of the bad guys that you should fear.
1977 to 1979
http://www.destroyerhistory.org/assets/coldwar/ddg023richardebyrd_01.jpg [destroyerhistory.org]
1980 to 1983
http://www.navsource.org/archives/06/images/06021049/0602104926.jpg [navsource.org]
We're gonna be able to vacation in Gaza, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and maybe Minnesota soon. Incredible times.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @09:44AM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @11:55AM
He's just mad because he's had many guys on the docks destroying his backside.
Aristarchus is pretty much the epitome of syphilitic crackwhore.
(Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Tuesday December 20 2016, @12:12PM
Anyone else notice that Aristarchus' comments in this thread seem a little out of character? His posts are normally a lot more verbose, with better language skills and of course that whole "I'm posting from a Mediterranean island a few thousand years ago" schtick.
Runaway, you should consider the possibility that your chain is being yanked here by an imposter. Maybe someone stole A's password?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:59PM
Show some respect for someone who put their life and limb on the line for their country.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:41PM
Show some respect for someone who put their life and limb on the line for their country.
Citation needed. When's the last time our military was actually used for the good of our country and not as some rich men's toy soldiers?
(Score: 1, Troll) by aristarchus on Tuesday December 20 2016, @06:26PM
Do you have any reason to believe that such a racist blowhard have ever served at all? Certainly never took advantage of any veteran's educational benefits.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @11:41AM
Islam is an existential threat to all ways of life that are not MUSLIM!
Have you considered the possibility that the jews might be causing this war? They have everything to gain from another war. West and the Middle East has nothing to gain from it. WW2, and they got their own country after murdering the locals there. WW3, and they plan to occupy the entire M.E. You are being played. The enemy of humanity and peace is the jew.
jews bring horror.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @01:48PM
So, let me get this straight. Muslims kill Muslims because - Jews. Yeah, it makes sense. If I get falling down drunk on wood alcohol and antifreeze cocktails, it makes sense.
We're gonna be able to vacation in Gaza, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and maybe Minnesota soon. Incredible times.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:28PM
The jews have this planned for a long time. Check out David Icke's channel on Youtube to open your eyes. The jews are playing this game using bloodline families. It is truly eye-opening.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 20 2016, @04:57PM
Among the list of incredible sources listed on this site, David Icke ranks highly. I gotta look him up againt, to be sure which conspiracy theorist you are talking about -
Okay, I didn't have him pegged precisely. This is the guy who believes in the lizard people, literally. We've gone over the lizard people a time or two. Rational people take that concept figuratively, icke takes it literally. I prefer my conspiracy theory nuts to be fundamentalist Christians, if we're going this far out in whack-field. At least they have cool demons and stuff, rather than an alien race of lizards.
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Holy fek. Published in Russia, in Russian. No evidence exists that the work existed before about 1900, in any language. Since when did the purported Elders adopt the Russian language as their own?
David Icke. Pronounce his last name as icky, and the name accurately protrays his mind. He obviously took to many hits to the head while playing football.
We're gonna be able to vacation in Gaza, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and maybe Minnesota soon. Incredible times.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2016, @02:18AM
Jews? Who gives a damn? Except for muslims who want to wipe them out.
There are what, a few million jews? Who cares?
What happens if a community has a high percentage of jews? Not much. You would be hard pressed to notice. Perhaps you might see some more bar or bat mitzvah ceremonies going on. Whoop de do.
What happens if there is a high percentage of muslims in a community? Property destruction. Riots. Fighting in the streets. People dying. Laws being changed to 'protect' the 'minorities'. Forced taxing of non-muslims starting with halal certification.
See the difference?
You can see this happening in Europe today. Just read the newspapers. Watch the videos on youtube.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21 2016, @06:42AM
> Wake up and smell the coffee - Islam is an existential threat to all ways of life that are not MUSLIM!
Nah, islam is just an existential threat to cowards who constantly cry wolf.
If islam were really such a threat you'd already be dead. What with there being 1.8 billion of them and they've been around for centuries.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 21 2016, @10:00AM
Islam and Christianity had similar goals when they were established. The difference is - Christians saw the need to spread the word. For only part of their history did they see a need to spread the word at the point of a sword. Islam was all about the sword from it's inception, and nothing has changed since then. More, Islam demands that infidels be killed, or enslaved. Only the "children of the book" are permitted to live, and then only if they pay the proper tributes/taxes.
Islam controlled half of Europe in the past (partly due to the Catholic Church permitting them to do so). They'll do it again if you're not smart enough to learn from history.
Everything that western society believes in, is anathema to Islam. Gay rights, women's rights, democracy, voting, capitalism, everything.
Cry wolf? The god damned wolf is at the door, scratching and pawing at the rotten lumber of which the door is made.
We're gonna be able to vacation in Gaza, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and maybe Minnesota soon. Incredible times.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2016, @12:36AM
My God! Mein Gott! Allah forgive you! You really understand very little.
More, Islam demands that infidels be killed, or enslaved.
Do you have any idea what an "infidel" is? It is not a "non-believer".
Islam controlled half of Europe in the past (partly due to the Catholic Church permitting them to do so).
Half? Seriously? Question: How exactly do you define Europe? Because part of Iberia and most of the Balkans does not even come close. Oh, you are American, and so "geographically challenged", not to mention "historically impaired"! Runaway, you should just convert right now and save yourself all the fear and paranoia. It's easy, you only have to say "There is but one God, and Mohammed is his prophet." With feeling.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Thursday December 22 2016, @01:13AM
I have little idea what your first language is, so I'll help you out a little:
in·fi·del
ˈinfədl,ˈinfəˌdel/
nounarchaic
noun: infidel; plural noun: infidels; plural noun: the infidel
1.
a person who does not believe in religion or who adheres to a religion other than one's own.
"they wanted to secure the Holy Places from the infidel"
synonyms: unbeliever, disbeliever, nonbeliever, agnostic, atheist; More
heathen, pagan, idolater, heretic, freethinker, dissenter, nonconformist;
archaicpaynim;
rarenullifidian
"a holy war against the infidels"
adjective
adjective: infidel
1.
adhering to a religion other than one's own.
"the infidel foe"
Origin
late 15th century: from French infidèle or Latin infidelis, from in- ‘not’ + fidelis ‘faithful’ (from fides ‘faith,’ related to fidere ‘to trust’). The word originally denoted a person of a religion other than one's own, specifically a Muslim (to a Christian), a Christian (to a Muslim), or a Gentile (to a Jew).
Translate infidel to
Use over time for: infidel
So - the Battle of Tours was somewhere in Iberia, or in the Balkans? Somehow, I was convinced that Tours is pretty far north, in western Europe. Let me take a look at a map again . . .
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Tours,+France/@40.0543013,-19.3398753,4.75z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x47fcd5b34a979a55:0x40dc8d705388430!8m2!3d47.394144!4d0.68484 [google.com]
I'm geographically challenged, being an American, but Tours appears to me, to be just north-west of modern day central France. And, Tours wasn't the absolute extent of Muslim rule, either. Tours is the place where the deciding battle was fought, from which European Christians drove the Moslems out of Europe.
So - come back at me - which of us is challenged? Did you miss your history courses? I'm not going to quibble over the percentage of Europe that Islam controlled. The map makes it obvious that they were much further north and west than just Iberia and the Balkans. I guesstimate that they controlled half of Europe. If you wish to make a more accurate calculation, go right ahead.
I did mention the Catholic Church. I know that Islam was given the go-ahead by the Church to invade parts of Europe. That was because the Church would rather see people under Islamic control, than free to practice Protestant faiths. That is, Europe was betrayed by the Catholic Church, and masses of people were sacrificed to the Islamic sword.
Hit your history books. I remind you that history repeats itself, very often. You are being invaded today, and you're to blind to see that.
We're gonna be able to vacation in Gaza, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and maybe Minnesota soon. Incredible times.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2016, @02:13AM
Allah is a petty sun god promoted to prominence when the rest of the idols of the gods were thrown out of the temple. He is but a minor deity in a constellation of gods worshiped at the time. A small god.
By historical records and by facts still quoted today Mohammed was a pedophile, rapist, murderer, slaver, and thief who existed only to fornicate as much as possible. By saying that this is the most prominent and respected person in islam you are saying very much about what islam is and what its believes actually believe in.
(Score: 2) by q.kontinuum on Tuesday December 20 2016, @12:57PM
Looks like the police got the wrong guy [theguardian.com].
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @02:02PM
It's still going on.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-20/horror-of-berlin-attack-to-have-ramifications-for-angela-merkel/8134344 [abc.net.au]
Just like Charlie Hebdo. We'll have to wait until they sort out what actually happened, who did what, and what they will do about it.
Besides potentially killing every muslim in Germany or kicking them out of the country, of course.
They now think it is terrorism. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-20/truck-deliberately-driven-into-berlin-christmas-market-crowds/8136706 [abc.net.au]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @10:14PM
Also the Zurich shooting was committed by a Swiss national who was apparently leaning towards occultism (and his victims were Somali rather than stereotypical Arab muslims).
And regarding the Berlin atrocity, IMHO it is much more likely to be a false flag attack of some home-grown right wing group - surely a professional terrorist organisation would have bothered to send someone would actually knows how to handle such a truck to maximum effect. Hopefully the bullets used to kill the Polish trucker (another amateurish move in my eyes, unless the perpetrator had a grudge against Eastern Europeans undercutting local wages ?) will lead somewhere quickly.
(Score: 2) by q.kontinuum on Tuesday December 20 2016, @10:47PM
The thought occurred to me as well, since afaik most muslim terrorist attacks are done either with planted bombs or as suicide-attacks. The casualty-rate could have been higher, and had the driver stepped out of the truck guns blazing after he crashed it, he would have had a much stronger effect. But I don't want to fall into the trap of wishful thinking or similar just because I disapprove of racicsts and right-wing fear-mongers. Both sides are morally capable of and motivated for such attacks.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2016, @02:20AM
Well, that has changed. Muslim attacks in Europe now involve driving large vehicles into crowds. Guns give away that an attack is going to happen. Vehicles are easy to obtain. Anyone can learn to drive.
Muslims can win this war by killing 50 to 100 people at a time. It is cheap and effective. All it costs is a vehicle and a single person. They have lots of people to sacrifice for their cause.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2016, @07:36PM
911 covering up missing pentagon billions, yesterday acts overshadowing the IMF lady troubles for a mere 400 millions.