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posted by on Wednesday January 18 2017, @01:31PM   Printer-friendly
from the this-article-is-rated-pg-13 dept.

The fine bastards at Cambridge bring us this bit o fucking science:

As dishonesty and profanity are both considered deviant they are often viewed as evidence of low moral standards. On the other hand, profanity can be positively associated with honesty. It is often used to express unfiltered feelings and sincerity. The researchers cite the example of President-elect Donald Trump who used swear words in some of his speeches while campaigning in last year's US election and was considered, by some, to be more genuine than his rivals.

Dr David Stillwell, a lecturer in Big Data Analytics at the University of Cambridge, and a co-author on the paper, says: "The relationship between profanity and dishonesty is a tricky one. Swearing is often inappropriate but it can also be evidence that someone is telling you their honest opinion. Just as they aren't filtering their language to be more palatable, they're also not filtering their views. "

The international team of researchers set out to gauge people's views about this sort of language in a series of questionnaires which included interactions with social media users.

In the first questionnaire 276 participants were asked to list their most commonly used and favourite swear words. They were also asked to rate their reasons for using these words and then took part in a lie test to determine whether they were being truthful or simply responding in the way they thought was socially acceptable. Those who wrote down a higher number of curse words were less likely to be lying.

Guess that makes me the most honest motherfucker on the site, eh?


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  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday January 18 2017, @01:32PM

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Wednesday January 18 2017, @01:32PM (#455375) Journal

    Guess that makes me the most honest motherfucker on the site, eh?

    Fuck you!

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    • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday January 18 2017, @05:15PM

      by Gaaark (41) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @05:15PM (#455522) Journal

      and you.
      Fuck. :)

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    • (Score: 2) by el_oscuro on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:34AM

      by el_oscuro (1711) on Thursday January 19 2017, @12:34AM (#455802)

      [Selecting from a drop down menu]

      Fuck you asshole

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by q.kontinuum on Wednesday January 18 2017, @01:48PM

    by q.kontinuum (532) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @01:48PM (#455383) Journal

    ... tourette suffering con-men?

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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @01:49PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @01:49PM (#455384)

    Why they gotta say it like Short?

    More directly on topic, I'm not surprised. Politeness and honesty are diametrically opposed, that's the point. Politeness is a relic of an era of kings and lords, where life was of so little value that you presented your neck upon meeting social superiors just in case they wanted your head...

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @02:02PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @02:02PM (#455393)

      Politeness is a relic of an era of kings and lords, where life was of so little value that you presented your neck upon meeting social superiors just in case they wanted your head...

      Politeness and profanity are not antonyms. Formality is a relic, politeness costs nothing and buys us civilization. Without it we would settle every minor dispute with expletive laden diatribes and fists.

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday January 18 2017, @03:29PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 18 2017, @03:29PM (#455443) Journal

        Without [politeness] we would settle every minor dispute with expletive laden diatribes and fists.

        What are you saying? I thought we already settle every minor dispute this way.

        The behavior of some people after the recent election says a lot.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @04:06PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @04:06PM (#455471)

          What are you saying? I thought we already settle every minor dispute this way. The behavior of some people after the recent election says a lot.

          Indeed. Politeness is relative and it's acceptable to be blunt or downright rude when dealing with poor behaviour. It's never acceptable to violently assail someone or to destroy the private property of others. People who do so are not impolite, they are mentally retarded.

          • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday January 18 2017, @04:21PM

            by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 18 2017, @04:21PM (#455479) Journal

            . . . mentally retarded, and / or criminal.

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            • (Score: 2) by Magic Oddball on Wednesday January 18 2017, @07:33PM

              by Magic Oddball (3847) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @07:33PM (#455637) Journal

              Nah, people that actually are mentally retarded don't normally act that way.

              The protesters that block roads or (in the case of a tiny minority) damage property seem more to me like bratty little kids who lack the education/skills required to realize how much things have already changed & persuade others to work on the issues that remain, and who also haven't faced enough hardcore adversity to feel grateful for what they have.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @07:46AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @07:46AM (#455942)

                The protesters that block roads or (in the case of a tiny minority) damage property

                Ooohh! Damaging property! Is there not insurance? Do we not have "rich houses" for those who cannot work for a living? Why is this any concern of mine, you lumpen bourgeiosie bastard? We are coming for your property. We will make you late for work! And, when you least suspect it, we will liberate you from your miserable existence by making you part of the revolution that will change the world and everything in it. Where we are going, we don't need roads, or property!!!

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by dyingtolive on Wednesday January 18 2017, @02:20PM

      by dyingtolive (952) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @02:20PM (#455400)

      I used to almost never swear. It turned heads when I did. About ten years of working in the financial sector and having daily chats with east coasters and I have a hard time getting through a couple sentences without sounding like a fucking sailor. It took a while for people to adjust to it, but the one guy I know who came here from CT actually finds it refreshing.

      I think there's definitely a cultural element there as well. Conversely, I realized a few years ago that "nice" people get on my nerves a lot of times when they're "too nice". I'm not just talking about stand up people who are decent human beings. They're cool. I'm talking about those Leave it to Beaver plastic caricatures of 50's Americana, those "respond to a tragedy with a 'gosh darn it'" kind of people.

      All that being said, there is still a time and a place for politeness. It might never help too much, but it certainly doesn't cost you anything.

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      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday January 18 2017, @03:43PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 18 2017, @03:43PM (#455455) Journal
        I strive for both politeness and not swearing. There is nothing wrong with that and it is not a contradiction.

        Politeness costs you nothing. It should not be a fake, false politeness. I'll openly and honestly express my displeasure about certain things. Don't smile and pretend it's not a problem. Don't be silently offended. If you speak, an expletive laden angry reply does not help win the other party to your point of view. Take the higher road.

        Try to proactively resolve conflict. For instance in a dispute about a technical subject, or perhaps technical vs a non-technical person, understand what the other person is saying and be able to re-state their view even if you disagree with it. Often, two parties to such a disagreement have different goals, and the solution both sides propose only address their own interests but overlook the other stakeholder interests. Over the years I've discovered numerous times that it is frequently possible to come up with a solution that addresses the problem presented by both sides, and ends up being a better overall solution than either side was proposing. Ultimately, both of your goals should be the same: to maximize your bonuses, which ties to the company's profits.

        That approach may not be applicable to all situations of life in general. But sometimes it is.

        Finally, remember that there are some people who are just genuinely pricks. (Not that there's anything wrong with pricks, except when a person is trying to be one.) If you can't reason, just ignore. Politely express your displeasure and ignore. Your own behavior and handling of the situation speaks much louder than any words you can say.
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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:38PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:38PM (#455697)

          I strive for the same ideal.

          I tell people I will swear and I am working on not doing it as much. For me it more about proper control of what I am doing. Swearing is my inner self not thinking things through.

          But if you have blown past my politeness filter you 'dun fucked up'. My voice will be 20db louder and the swearing 20x heavier the politeness filter is now in the off position. It will take a great deal of effort on your part to put it back.

          I am working on it. But it takes effort.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by schad on Wednesday January 18 2017, @03:44PM

        by schad (2398) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @03:44PM (#455456)

        There's politeness, and then there's a shivering terror that you might accidentally hurt somebody's feelings.

        Not polite: "Steve, you're a fucking retard. Get out."

        Polite: "I don't think that's the right approach, Steve, and here's why."

        Fear of hurting feelings: "Well Steve, that's a great idea, and it's something we ought to seriously consider. One question I have, though, is whether in this specific case, with the set of unique challenges we face, there might not be more optimal solutions. I definitely think your idea is a great one, and as a rule I'd absolutely agree with you that it's the right way to go. It's just that right here I think we need to put more weight on some other factors, and it may be that if we do that, we'll find there are other ways that we might prefer to go. But tell you what, let's all look into it over the next few days, kind of mull it over, see how we all feel, and then we'll circle back up in a week and see if we've got any more clarity as to the right path forward. Does that sound good to everyone? OK, great, I'll add Steve's thought to the meeting notes here and I'll give you back 4 minutes of your day. I'll talk to you all next week if not before."

        The problem is that cultural norms (at least in some places) have shifted in such a way that the polite response is interpreted as being exactly as rude as the impolite one. So if you don't take 200 words to say "You're wrong" then you're considered an asshole. While this means you get invited to fewer meetings, it does kind of limit your opportunities for advancement.

        • (Score: 2) by dyingtolive on Wednesday January 18 2017, @04:09PM

          by dyingtolive (952) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @04:09PM (#455474)

          I guess it does depend pretty heavily on the cultural norms then. I don't think I'm too far off from your estimates though. My idea of being myself is your not polite, and my idea of most everyday corp speak is your polite option. My idea of polite is somewhere in the middle of your polite and quivering fear. I have no problem telling the guy that sits next to me he's a asshole, to which he'd shrug and nod, but I'm aware of the fact that telling one of the guys in Asia that he's a asshole is ineffective on multiple levels.

          I think something that's helped me keep my job (other than swearing being the norm) is that I seldom actually direct it at anyone else. Never really "Steve fucked this up," at least, not while he's in the room, but more, "oh man, this is seriously fucked," perhaps while Steve IS in the room. I shudder to think what will come of a brave new world of hypersensitives though, and at 32, I'm generally lumped in with them.

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      • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday January 18 2017, @05:19PM

        by Gaaark (41) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @05:19PM (#455526) Journal

        I think this kind of thing also hurt Hillary: she was trying to be so politically correct and nice that she came off as fake and sitting on the fence and hiding something.

        With Trump, he didn't come off as fake: he just came off as 'fer reals', no matter how bad that actually was.
        I think Hillary shouldn't have been such a nice card board cut out.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @03:59PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @03:59PM (#455467)

      In USA, George Carlin gave us the seven words you can't say on TV -- shit, piss, cunt, fuck, cocksucker, motherfucker, tits (hope I got that correct, it's been years since I heard him).

      In normal conversation, I rarely get past the first two, defecation/elimination takes care of most cases that need extra emphasis. The rest are more suited for personal insults, which are usually uncalled for.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @04:26PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @04:26PM (#455481)

        When I was a kid just saying "shoot" or "heck" was enough to get the belt, as those meant "shit" and "hell". I guess it depends on if your parents went to public schools or Catholic schools when they were kids. Thankfully, I was put through public schools. My siblings were sent to Catholic school and some of the stories they tell about strictness were pretty harsh.

        • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday January 18 2017, @05:26PM

          by Gaaark (41) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @05:26PM (#455532) Journal

          I once called my brother a 'door-knob'.

          You'd a thunk i called him the devil himself. Man i got a wallop.

          Door-knob was the new/old mother fucker. Huh.

          (Reminds me when i was much younger watching CityTV in Toronto: when a character in a movie said "Mother fucker", they'd bleep out 'Mother' and leave in 'fucker'.

          Hilarious.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @05:21PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @05:21PM (#455529)

        Replace "tits" with "asshole", you fuckwit ;) !

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by zugedneb on Wednesday January 18 2017, @02:05PM

    by zugedneb (4556) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @02:05PM (#455394)

    Started to play mobas recently, and came to conclusion that the "toxicity" in it stems from english not being a good language to curse on.
    Or rather, the culture and context the english gets learned with does not allow for fun cursing.

    When a russion, hungarian, or (i got this explained) chinese curse, the curses are witty and are meant to express the rage part of the negative feelings, but also to lighten up the mood.

    So, in hungarian, to call someone "u nub goatfucker" would be met with laughter.
    In english, i get reported.

    The jewish part of the story is how the term "racist" and things involving it became a curse in Sweden.
    U see, the generally well raised, and oppressed-by-women people, do not generally curse, since it is not commonly accepted. They say "fan ocksÄ", and that menas "devil". Not much more.

    But they have all seen the documentaries and Shindlers list, and realised, that calling someone a racist is saying "you, wou are the kind who puts small girls in little red dress in gas chamber", and came to the conclusion that this insult flies under the cultural radar, and is by and large one of the worst things u can say people.

    For emotionaly oppressed people, a really deep and juicy insult is a gift form teh gods.

    So u see, the reason swedes have so much anti racist propagande is not because the rampant racism, but because they like the tingling in the belly when associating some poor fellow man with gas chambers.

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    • (Score: 2) by dyingtolive on Wednesday January 18 2017, @02:12PM

      by dyingtolive (952) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @02:12PM (#455395)

      Okay, but that doesn't change the goddamned fact that you fucking get off on being a troll and we all know it.

      :)

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    • (Score: 2) by dlb on Wednesday January 18 2017, @02:24PM

      by dlb (4790) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @02:24PM (#455403)

      When a russion, hungarian, or (i got this explained) chinese curse, the curses are witty and are meant to express the rage part of the negative feelings, but also to lighten up the mood.

      Interesting point you bring up. I've noticed that profanity used by people with wit is usually not offensive, but comes across as humor with an edge that so many of us enjoy. Take Mighty Buzzard's summary. It made me laugh.

      As I'm not one of the witty few, I'll sit back and enjoy this colorful thread from afar!

      • (Score: 2) by art guerrilla on Wednesday January 18 2017, @03:26PM

        by art guerrilla (3082) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @03:26PM (#455441)

        as always and forever: context is everything...
        saying 'i love you' in one context is an invitation to sex (perhaps a lifetime commitment, etc)...
        saying 'i love you' in another context is an invitation to fight between testosterone-inflamed adversaries...
        just sayin'...
        context is everything...

        • (Score: 2) by dlb on Wednesday January 18 2017, @04:00PM

          by dlb (4790) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @04:00PM (#455468)
          Agreed. Takyon's two-word reply in "I swear I'm on-topic" would certainly have a different meaning in most other contexts.
        • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:50PM

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:50PM (#455708) Journal

          One of the best bits of profanity I've ever come across is when British call something "lovely." It's withering.

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    • (Score: 2) by Hawkwind on Wednesday January 18 2017, @05:26PM

      by Hawkwind (3531) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @05:26PM (#455533)

      the generally well raised, and oppressed-by-women people, do not generally curse, since it is not commonly accepted.

       
      They're getting pretty good about saying FUCK around the Øresund straight.

  • (Score: 1) by Lester on Wednesday January 18 2017, @02:38PM

    by Lester (6231) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @02:38PM (#455410) Journal

    If policians think that people think that swaring = honestity and it's surpasses the bad image, then, from now on, policians will sprinkle their speeches with...

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by meustrus on Wednesday January 18 2017, @03:04PM

    by meustrus (4961) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @03:04PM (#455427)

    The researchers cite the example of President-elect Donald Trump who used swear words in some of his speeches while campaigning in last year's US election and was considered, by some, to be more genuine than his rivals.

    This on its own is the cautionary tale. Trump's profane speeches, like everything that comes out of his mouth, contain very little substance, and the word "honesty" has an entirely different meaning in his world; "honest belief" stands in for facts and promises, encouraging us to step into the world of their supposedly flawed perceptions instead of inviting us to shop for the most plausible explanation. But they sound genuine, and the manner of his speech makes him seem authentic. We must be careful that we don't let stupid things like this affect our perception of public figures. Otherwise, we are simply being manipulated.

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday January 18 2017, @03:13PM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @03:13PM (#455435)

      Me thinks Trump doth protest... too much. His image is calculated, practiced, and polished to an edge.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by linkdude64 on Wednesday January 18 2017, @03:46PM

        by linkdude64 (5482) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @03:46PM (#455457)

        He fooled everyone - they all think he's an idiot, and while they were shitting out terribly un-funny memes, newspaper comics, heavily biased comedy sketches, etc. he took everything.

        And they still underestimate him.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Wednesday January 18 2017, @03:52PM

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 18 2017, @03:52PM (#455463) Journal

          You can't underestimate trump. No mater how poorly you think of him. He has nothing.

          What was the surprise was how gullible the population is. Being a con man, going further than any previous politician would ever dare go to say what the base wants to hear, with no intention or plan for following through on promises; that is not some kind of greatness that should be admired.

          I don't underestimate him because he's such a great or brilliant man. He's not. I just didn't recognize how gullible are a large fraction of the US population. Say what they want to hear, stoke their anger, and they'll follow you right off the cliff.

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          • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday January 18 2017, @04:19PM

            by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @04:19PM (#455477)

            He's a very old showman. Even his role as CEO was more acting than substance or leadership. I'm trying to think how that can make him an effective president, but I just don't want to believe that the federal level legislators, and agencies - domestic and abroad, will care much for how he presents himself, and will instead look to the substance of what he is proposing.

            Actions speak much louder than image after the election is over, and I'm afraid that the image and the promises haven't given anyone much to go on for predicting his actions.

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            • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday January 18 2017, @04:29PM

              by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 18 2017, @04:29PM (#455483) Journal

              A lot of the people Trump will work with are career politicians. People who want to continue to be elected until they die a crinkled up old prune at the age of 102 with hopelessly out of touch views of the world.

              They may want to put some restraints on Trump if they perceive that he will cause them to not continue to be perpetually re-elected.

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              • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday January 18 2017, @04:45PM

                by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @04:45PM (#455494)

                old prune at the age of 102 with hopelessly out of touch views of the world.

                That's preservation of our culture and way of life, sonny! Mind your elders, and GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

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            • (Score: 2, Informative) by linkdude64 on Wednesday January 18 2017, @04:55PM

              by linkdude64 (5482) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @04:55PM (#455503)

              "I'm afraid that the image and the promises haven't given anyone much to go on for predicting his actions."

              Your opinions do not weigh greater or even equal to the several thousand jobs and billions of dollars in industrial investment that his "showmanship" during the race has already brought to this country even before his inauguration.

              • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @05:36PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @05:36PM (#455542)

                As has been pointed out repeatedly Trump lies and takes credit for things he didn't do. Keep drinking the kool-aid my man, you can tell your grandkids how you supported and promoted Trump as you cook you ratmeat over the fire.

                • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:58PM

                  by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:58PM (#455714) Journal

                  And that's different from every other politician, how? Why do you think the politicians are so terribly upset about all the leaks and social media puncturing their carefully manufactured personae? It's because there's no there, there. If you were, say, Linus Pauling and were elected senator, you could always point to the real science you did. Heck, even Sonny Bono could point to more actual accomplishments than nearly all the rest of his colleagues. They are empty suits, and lying and taking credit for things they didn't do is pretty much the entirety of their resumes.

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                • (Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Thursday January 19 2017, @04:17PM

                  by linkdude64 (5482) on Thursday January 19 2017, @04:17PM (#456092)

                  "As has been pointed out repeatedly Trump lies and takes credit for things he didn't do."

                  The one thing he did do is take $1mil and turn it into $Xbil. If you think he "fooled/deceived/raped the money" into multiplying itself a thousand times over, you can argue with numbers until you run out of breath.

          • (Score: 2, Informative) by linkdude64 on Wednesday January 18 2017, @04:52PM

            by linkdude64 (5482) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @04:52PM (#455499)

            "You can't underestimate trump. No mater how poorly you think of him. He has nothing."

            This made me audibly laugh.

            In a thoroughly objective truth-based assessment Donald Trump holds not only billions of US dollars, but also the single most powerful position in the entire world - that is as far away from "Having nothing" as humanly possible, and it is this truly baffling demonstration of supreme cognitive dissonance that granted that to him. The cognitive dissonance not just regarding the election, but also regarding so many other issues whose side you undoubtedly take.

            Every other position you make is entirely irrelevant, and only serves to reinforce the above statement. This is why Clinton lost. People like you are objectively out of touch with reality.

            • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @05:34PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @05:34PM (#455539)

              Awe hunny bunny no no no, you have to use your brain not blindly give it over to an old turkey! Trump is going to betray you sweetie, and if you'd been paying attention you'd see he has already started. Getting conned is never fun, but I'll make you some cookies when the hurt really sinks in.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @05:49PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @05:49PM (#455553)

                Trump surely won't be as much of a con man like the last 8 years of having the wool pulled over our eyes. It's about time we had a "real" asshole in office that won't be afraid of firing anyone who doesn't pull their own weight. Ever notice how Trump and Hillary remind you of Al and Peggy Bundy? That's what you get for not putting Bernie in the final race, you gave us the choice of an Al or Peggy Bundy for POTUS.

                • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:00PM

                  by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:00PM (#455719) Journal

                  That's what you get for not putting Bernie in the final race, you gave us the choice of an Al or Peggy Bundy for POTUS.

                  Yep, and we have the DNC and its corrupt leadership to thank for that. It's why I turned in my party card.

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              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:58PM

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday January 18 2017, @09:58PM (#455716) Homepage Journal

                You really wanna know why Trump got elected? He may have said much but at least he came off *sounding* honest in what he did say. I didn't vote for the guy but at least I'm not blinded so badly by partisan bullshit that I can't see why other people did. Hillary, I wouldn't trust her to guard a bag of dog turds for five minutes. Everything about her says liar and crook.

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                • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday January 19 2017, @08:15AM

                  by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday January 19 2017, @08:15AM (#455949) Journal

                  but at least he came off *sounding* honest in what he did say.

                  A Big City New York Flim-flam Man? Buzzard, you have lost all your country cred, with one part of a sentence.

                • (Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Thursday January 19 2017, @04:12PM

                  by linkdude64 (5482) on Thursday January 19 2017, @04:12PM (#456088)

                  I agree with everything you say, however I still take issue with this:

                  "I wouldn't trust her to guard a bag of dog turds for five minutes. Everything about her says liar and crook."

                  If you or anyone is still "trusting your gut" when it comes to Clinton or Trump, you're doing it wrong.

                  As a Trump voter, I would never state that I disliked Clinton because "Everything about her says liar and crook." I would say, "I can provide written and verifiable evidence that Hillary Clinton knowingly assisted the arming of ISIL by negotiating weapon sales to Saudi Arabia through her position at the State Department under the Obama Administration in exchange for donations to the Clinton Foundation."

                  Sure sounds a hell of a lot more convincing than "Drumpf is a sexist! He said attractive women are attractive! His hair is stupid too! What a racist!" Which is really what I have a problem with.

              • (Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Thursday January 19 2017, @04:05PM

                by linkdude64 (5482) on Thursday January 19 2017, @04:05PM (#456086)

                "Awe hunny bunny no no no, you have to use your brain not blindly give it over to an old turkey! "

                This is not an argument. Nothing in your comment was verifiable by evidence or reason. You sound like the prosecutor from Not Sure's court case in Idiocracy.

            • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday January 18 2017, @07:07PM

              by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 18 2017, @07:07PM (#455616) Journal

              I'll just say it again. Being a con man, a liar who can fool a lot of people is not some mark of greatness. It is not something to be admired. And not emulated.

              He's obviously hiding something in the tax returns that are never going to be released. Maybe what he doesn't want anyone to see is how big of an illusion his supposed wealth really is, compared to debt.

              He's made no pretense of avoiding corruption or impropriety. He seems to openly embrace it. Taking his kids to meet heads of state, so their business interests can benefit? I don't need to go on about conflicts of interest.

              We'll see how great of a man he is as he uses the power of his office to enrich his personal interests. He might sell out the country to further his own business interests in foreign countries.

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              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday January 19 2017, @03:26PM

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 19 2017, @03:26PM (#456071) Journal

                "I'll just say it again. Being a con man, a liar who can fool a lot of people is not some mark of greatness."

                You're perfectly correct. That's why I never voted for any Clinton!

                • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday January 19 2017, @03:37PM

                  by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 19 2017, @03:37PM (#456074) Journal

                  I would have to agree to the extent that I don't see either one as a particularly great choice.

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                  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday January 19 2017, @03:42PM

                    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 19 2017, @03:42PM (#456079) Journal

                    We are 100% in agreement there! My first, second, third, and fourth choices all lost. I'd have voted for any number of unqualified fools, ahead of the two unqualified fools who lead the race. Ehhh . . . .

                    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday January 19 2017, @09:07PM

                      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 19 2017, @09:07PM (#456229) Journal

                      The biggest chunks rise to the top.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @03:12PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @03:12PM (#455434)

    i honestly swear and hope you don't mean that "motherfucker" part literally?

    • (Score: 4, Funny) by maxwell demon on Wednesday January 18 2017, @07:12PM

      by maxwell demon (1608) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @07:12PM (#455621) Journal

      Every man who has two children from the same woman who are not twins of each other obviously has been a motherfucker at least once.

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      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @06:45PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 18 2017, @06:45PM (#455598)

    Buzzard, you are one of the most honest sons of bitches I've ever read. As is Ethanol-Fueled.

    'Course, real wisdom comes when one can differentiate honesty from truth. Assholes.

  • (Score: 2) by Anne Nonymous on Wednesday January 18 2017, @07:25PM

    by Anne Nonymous (712) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @07:25PM (#455631)

    I daresay this article sounds like a gentlemanly recitation of a universal truth, old chum.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by mcgrew on Wednesday January 18 2017, @07:28PM

    by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Wednesday January 18 2017, @07:28PM (#455633) Homepage Journal

    It notes that the vulgar asshole who is the only person I've ever heard of that is a worse liar than my ex-wife is honest?

    That's the thing with statistics: not everyone is at median. Just because most honest people swear doesn't mean that vulgarians like our Liar Elect are honest.

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    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:01PM

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:01PM (#455720) Homepage Journal

      A lot of folks apparently disagree with you.

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      • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:29PM

        by maxwell demon (1608) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:29PM (#455739) Journal

        Once upon a time, a lot of people would have disagreed with you if you had told them there is no Zeus sitting on Mount Olympus. Just saying.

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      • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Thursday January 19 2017, @06:01PM

        by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Thursday January 19 2017, @06:01PM (#456127) Homepage Journal

        People may, but the facts don't. Trump got more Pinnochios and pants-on-fires than any other candidate in recent history. He's sworn he didn't say something that you heard him say himself on TV a week earlier.

        People didn't vote for him because they thought he was honest, they voted for him despite the fact that he's a lying piece of shit. He reminds me of the bully I beat the hell out of in 7th grade.

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  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:11PM

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday January 18 2017, @10:11PM (#455731) Journal

    Being a foul-mouthed New Yorker has not done me any favors out here in Wisconsin, doubly so because "butbutbut LADIES DON'T CUSS!!!!1111one." Triply so because the swearing is usually precipitated by several days of pointing out to a superior that s/he is doing something wrong and/or actually breaking the law.

    I've actually lost one job over it, though as I picked another one up within 3 days and hated the former it was no big loss. The Midwest isn't AS bad as the South about this, but there's a lot of bullshit indirection up here. It's not the "Minnesota Nice" thing (ye gods if I lived there I'd end up shoving someone's Jante Law so far up their pasty asses they'd puke lutefisk...) but it's similar. Lots of passive-aggressive horseshit.

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  • (Score: 2) by Bogsnoticus on Thursday January 19 2017, @05:55AM

    by Bogsnoticus (3982) on Thursday January 19 2017, @05:55AM (#455912)

    I enunciate them clearly, like a fucking gentleman should.

    Or

    It's called speaking in cursive, and it's fucking elegant.

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    Genius by birth. Evil by choice.
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @09:41AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 19 2017, @09:41AM (#455976)

    The most honest fucker on this site you niggers just happened to have chased away, faggots.

    Kibibyte forever, dickheads.