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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:11AM   Printer-friendly
from the just-drive dept.

TSA agents will soon conduct a more invasive patdown at U.S. airports:

The U.S. Transportation Security Administration has declined to say exactly where—and how—employees will be touching air travelers as part of the more invasive physical pat-down procedure it recently ordered. But the agency does expect some passengers to consider the examination unusual. In fact, the TSA decided to inform local police in case anyone calls to report an "abnormal" federal frisking, according to a memo from an airport trade association obtained by Bloomberg News. The physical search, for those selected to have one, is what the agency described as a more "comprehensive" screening, replacing five separate kinds of pat-downs it previously used.

The decision to alert local and airport police raises a question of just how intimate the agency's employees may get. On its website, the TSA says employees "use the back of the hands for pat-downs over sensitive areas of the body. In limited cases, additional screening involving a sensitive area pat-down with the front of the hand may be needed to determine that a threat does not exist."

[...] The TSA's calls to police were an effort to provide local law enforcement "situational awareness" about the new pat-down method, Christopher Bidwell, ACI-NA's vice president of security, said in an interview Saturday. U.S. airports have not expressed any reservations or concerns about the pat-down change, the association said.

Also at Boing Boing, The Consumerist, NBC, and LA Times.


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  • (Score: 2) by drussell on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:13AM (11 children)

    by drussell (2678) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:13AM (#475908) Journal

    Yikes!

    • (Score: 2) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:34AM (2 children)

      by Rosco P. Coltrane (4757) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:34AM (#475914)

      A bunch of state-paid frotteurs on the loose at US ports of entry is not the most important reason why tourists would want to stay the fuck away from this country...

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:54AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:54AM (#475921)

        Because only the most important reason matter!

      • (Score: 4, Touché) by Anal Pumpernickel on Tuesday March 07 2017, @06:05AM

        by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @06:05AM (#475923)

        It should be. A country that hires thugs to violate your rights is an extremely good reason to stay away from that country.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:52AM (7 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:52AM (#475918) Journal

      Yikes!

      Go, KINK-TOURISM, that's the "land of the free"!

      (grin)

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      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @06:25AM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @06:25AM (#475926)

        I wonder what they do if you act like you like it (or actually like it)?

        • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @06:46AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @06:46AM (#475929)

          Probably handcuff you and take you where your fantasies will be realized.

        • (Score: 5, Funny) by c0lo on Tuesday March 07 2017, @07:36AM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday March 07 2017, @07:36AM (#475938) Journal

          I wonder what they do if you act like you like it (or actually like it)?

          YMMV
          1. the Penile Patriot [lesbianconservative.com] - "The erection episode proved way too much for poor Duncan Allbright, the agent who gave Warren his feel-good hand job. He announced his retirement shortly after Kelvin boarded his flight."
          2. blue pill tsa experiment [ebaumsworld.com] - nothing out of the ordinary, just silence during and following the moment.
          3. frisking the weapon of mass conception [huffingtonpost.com] - all the 9 non-erect inches of biological threat. TSA was reportedly happy [gawker.com] (and probably satisfied) after the fact, even if the tool didn't reach its full (official record) 13.5" potential
          4. traveling while trans [salon.com] may not be that pleasant and may get you arrested.
          5. Molly Shannon [wikipedia.org] feels frisking as an orgasmic experience [youtube.com] - see also ASMR [wikipedia.org]

          Addendum for kinky tourists: even if you see your super-size vibrator as a personal item, don't carry it into hand luggage - any "baton-like" or "club-like" object over 7 inches will need to be checked by TSA [lovecrave.com].

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        • (Score: 5, Funny) by Leebert on Tuesday March 07 2017, @02:10PM (1 child)

          by Leebert (3511) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @02:10PM (#476013)

          What's more fun is to have them do it when you're sick as a dog.

          I was in Portland once and so sick I was basically walking dead. I always refuse the pornoscanners and get the pat-down. I was sneezing and coughing like crazy, and it's kind of hard to cover your nose and mouth when you're standing with your arms outstretched and palms facing up. Needless to say, I got an incredibly brief screening that day.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 08 2017, @07:26AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 08 2017, @07:26AM (#476366)

            If they actually cared about security they would have put you in quarantine.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @07:39AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @07:39AM (#475939)

        Go, KINK-TOURISM

        Title should read: "New and More Intrusive TSA Patdowns Cumming"

        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @02:59PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @02:59PM (#476029)

          Grab travelers by the pussy!

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:25AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:25AM (#475911)

    We've been getting random but frequent "TSA-Precheck" appearing on boarding passes, which lets us use the faster and usually less intrusive line on one side of the screening area. This is without going through any special vetting or paying any additional fees.

    The article I read in our local newspaper yesterday on the more intrusive pat downs also suggested (but wasn't totally clear) that the free TSA-Pre program was being curtailed. However, one of us is flying tomorrow/Tuesday and when the boarding pass was printed this evening it does include the TSA-Pre check mark.

    Anyone have any additional details?

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Whoever on Tuesday March 07 2017, @06:11AM

      by Whoever (4524) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @06:11AM (#475924) Journal

      The TSA-Pre is pure, unadulterated BS.

      Some time back, my wife, daughter and I flew within the USA and back again. We were all on the same booking. In both directions, two of us (wife and me) got the TSA-Pre and my daughter did not.

      We were on the same booking, obviously flying together. My daughter could easily have asked my wife or me to carry something through security.

      And the randomness? The fact that two of us got the TSA-Pre on both flights strongly suggests that the random TSA-Pre is not in the least bit random.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @06:14AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @06:14AM (#475925)

    I like groping people, where do I apply for a position with the TSA? Are these the only jobs left for folks that have to tell you and everyone they meet that they are a registered sex offender?

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by coolgopher on Tuesday March 07 2017, @06:59AM (6 children)

    by coolgopher (1157) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @06:59AM (#475933)

    I'd like to state that I'd feel safer traveling to China, Russia and possibly even North Korea, compared to the US of A these days. Neither of those countries have a "presumption of criminal", unlike the former champion of freedom.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @01:33PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @01:33PM (#475989)

      Na, they have the presumption of criminality until a bribe is payed (even if you didn't do anything).

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @02:27PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @02:27PM (#476019)

        So you are saying that I should be proud of our TSA screeners because they don't hold out for a bribe?

        Talk about damning with faint praise!!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @06:27PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @06:27PM (#476110)

      Have you traveled through those countries? I have not, and I am actually curious whether they are as intrusive and orwellian as the US has become.

      • (Score: 2) by edIII on Tuesday March 07 2017, @08:18PM

        by edIII (791) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @08:18PM (#476162)

        I traveled through China. They were still acting like it was the 1970's as far as the "TSA" was concerned. I had an issue with some small granular rocks at one point and the agent took MY lighter and tried setting them on fire. Once they didn't light up, or act like gunpowder or something, he waived me right through.

        I say this with sincerity. Other than the small fucking planes that made me feel like a giant, the customer service atmosphere in the middle of China is far superior than what we have in "free" America.

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        Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
      • (Score: 2) by gawdonblue on Tuesday March 07 2017, @09:37PM (1 child)

        by gawdonblue (412) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @09:37PM (#476181)

        I went to both Russia and China for work a few years ago.

        In China I'd left some aerosol deodorant in my checked luggage and got a call from the airport officials. I didn't know what the call was about but presented myself to some unhappy-looking uniforms who showed me the x-ray and asked what it was. After I told them they asked me to open the bag and remove it. I apologised and did so. They sternly warned me not to do it again. I felt that it was a deserved lesson, so no problems with the Chinese airport security.

        When I was leaving Russia I, like every other passenger, was forced to take off my shoes and stand in an X-ray booth with my arms in the air. I did not enjoy this treatment. I will never fly from Russia again.

        I've never been to the USA but had thought that I probably would one day. My mind has very much changed over the last 15 years as the actions at the USA borders have got worse and worse. I'd like to cross North America off my continents visited list, but it'll be either a foodies tour of Mexico or a sightseeing tour of Canada.

        • (Score: 1) by chair on Tuesday March 07 2017, @10:41PM

          by chair (6194) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @10:41PM (#476203)

          I recommend you skip flying in Canada, as my experience with airport security there was about the same as in the USA, which was similar to your experience in Russia.

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by MostCynical on Tuesday March 07 2017, @07:15AM (1 child)

    by MostCynical (2589) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @07:15AM (#475936) Journal

    You used to have to hang put in particular bars, with coloured hankies, to get... special.. attention.
    Apparently, all you need now is a boarding pass.

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    "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
    • (Score: 4, Funny) by bob_super on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:41PM

      by bob_super (1357) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:41PM (#476083)

      Just get to the airport 8 hours before your flight, and keep going through security for a patdown (small airport, to get the same lane).
      The second time, they may notice.

      By the fifth time, they'll definitely be disturbed: are you a pervert, or an undercover guy grading their work?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @08:21AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @08:21AM (#475941)

    Just, BOHICA! Brace yourself, this time.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bradley13 on Tuesday March 07 2017, @08:52AM (10 children)

    by bradley13 (3053) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @08:52AM (#475947) Homepage Journal

    When what you're doing doesn't work, double down!!

    They were already running their fingers inside people's underwear, and pressing up into people's crotches. So what, exactly, can the general public expect now? Oh, right, they tell us [tsa.gov]:

    "A pat-down ... includes ... sensitive areas such as breasts, groin, and the buttocks. ... TSA officers use the back of the hands for pat-downs over sensitive areas of the body. In limited cases, additional screening involving a sensitive area pat-down with the front of the hand may be needed..."

    Why do you Americans put up with this?

    --
    Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @01:40PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @01:40PM (#475992)

      i don't. i quit flying when this stupid shit started. I also consider domestic travelers (especially completely voluntary travelers. vacations, etc.) who continue to fly like this is all ok to be morally compromised, to say the least.

      • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:07PM

        by mhajicek (51) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:07PM (#476068)

        Same here. I haven't flown even once since TSA began.

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        The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @01:56PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @01:56PM (#476001)

      Trump! Trump! Trump!

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by TheGratefulNet on Tuesday March 07 2017, @03:05PM (4 children)

      by TheGratefulNet (659) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @03:05PM (#476031)

      how are we supposed to have any SAY in this?

      was this ever put to a vote? were we EVER asked about this? consulted? any national dialog?

      no. forced on us. politicians forced it because none of them want to be 'blamed' if 'something happens on their watch' and they didn't do 'all they could'. yes, all that is in quotes since its pure BS but it does not change the fact that we have no say and never will.

      remember: what is the goal here? the REAL goals are:

      1) keep people afraid. its a well known control tactic and it works ;(
      2) get people used to following orders, and put the fear of more phys abuse or a no-fly-list entry in their heads
      3) being able to say 'we are doing something' when really, they aren't doing a thing (nothing needs to be done, btw; we have never needed more than locked cockpits and some other MINOR things that would have fixed the bug, so to speak)

      #1 and 2 are the biggies. its never stated since its a 'secret' to all except those who understand how governments engage in control of their people. #3 just is there as a bonus but 1 and 2 are the main reasons.

      which country HAS any say (its people) in this madness? every country is freaking out to some degree or another and all have joined in with the 'keep people scared' idea. the brits and their colonies have been the worst, though; not in airports but in everyday life.

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      • (Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Tuesday March 07 2017, @04:25PM (3 children)

        by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @04:25PM (#476058) Journal

        how are we supposed to have any SAY in this?

        was this ever put to a vote? were we EVER asked about this? consulted? any national dialog?

        I completely agree with your post. Note that a U.S. Court of Appeals DID actually finally require the TSA to ask the American public about advanced scanners anyway -- years after it was introduced -- by opening a forum for public comment, which you can still see here [regulations.gov]. They received only about 5,500 comments, the vast majority of them strongly negative.

        Realistically, our government obviously is failing here. And the only outside check on this is the media, who hasn't done their job either. If they actually cared about rights, they'd do what they do with any big news story they want to highlight: they feature a new story every day -- on the front page or in a major TV segment or whatever -- documenting yet another abuse by the TSA or at least another "uncomfortable" story to hear. I'm sure if they even started doing that on a regular basis, they could open a hotline and get multiple TSA stories to run every day.

        That would be the only way to influence public opinion enough to recognize the kind of abuses going on. You'd need the kind of critical media coverage on the level you had during the Vietnam War or something. But, just like politicians, media owners are likely skittish -- because just in case ONE terrorist event happened as a result of some criticism they had made, it would be a PR disaster.

        By the way, despite the TSA public comments, the American public WAS sort of consulted through polls about new scanners, and they approved [gallup.com], with something like 78% in favor, and then approved again [cbsnews.com] with 81% in favor, and then approved again [washingtonpost.com], with roughly 2/3 in favor.

        On the other hand, such polls generally show at least half of Americans AGAINST "enhanced pat-downs" -- apparently, we're happy to pose for the nudie scan, but balk at being groped. Generally, support or faith in the TSA has waned since all those polls about the scanners back in 2010, but without some courageous politicians or a media drumbeat against the new procedures, nothing's going to happen. Well, I suppose some sort of mass protest might help too, but that just doesn't seem to be happening.

        Another group that could help is airports, who still have the ability to opt-out of using the TSA in favor of private contractors (sort of like what it was before 9/11 and the TSA). If enough airports did this, they might be able to force policy changes too, like doing a pilot program with only metal-detector screening again (like pre-9/11)... and after no terrorists show up, they could argue for mass de-escalation of this crap. Again unlikely.

        Fact is, even with the groping and inconveniences, most Americans are simply not willing to take a stand and say, "The number of actual terrorists trying to board planes is near ZERO, and the TSA has NEVER been effective in catching even ONE!" And realistically, most people are simply not willing to "make a fuss" around law enforcement that could make their travel even more of a pain. That's the danger of such gradually encroaching policies -- everybody thinks, "Well, it could be worse -- they could take me in back room and make me miss my flight. So I'll be a good little boy and take off my shoes and belt and do the 'special pose' for the nudie scanner." And they just keep ratcheting it up over the years, but any small change is not enough to cause rebellion and enough people willing to disrupt their travel plans (or even risk arrest) to protest.

        • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:14PM (1 child)

          by mhajicek (51) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:14PM (#476069)

          Unfortunately if an airport did opt for traditional security, a three letter agency would ensure that there would be an incident.

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          The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
          • (Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:28PM

            by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:28PM (#476080) Journal

            Yeah, I was thinking that as I wrote that part, but I didn't want to come across as too pessimistic. Alas, I really wouldn't put it past our government, though.

        • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Tuesday March 07 2017, @06:01PM

          by bob_super (1357) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @06:01PM (#476088)

          > just in case ONE terrorist event happened as a result of some criticism they had made, it would be a PR disaster.

          "as a result of" pointing out excessive ineffectual behavior?
          If the same logic applied to all things, you'd be screened by TSA for bad thoughts before you can drive a truck, or car, or fly a drone, and all guns would be confiscated. Because that's what terrorists have been using IN THE LAST 15 YEARS, not planes.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @03:23PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @03:23PM (#476037)

      Must be fun during the Cross Dresser's Convention.

    • (Score: 2) by edIII on Tuesday March 07 2017, @08:48PM

      by edIII (791) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @08:48PM (#476166)

      I put up with it for a few reasons:

      1) What are you on dope? Just because America is still in our titles, and we even have United in it, we are anything but free, united, or involved in a representative democracy. Just because we indicate our displeasure, and even use logic and references the Constitution of the United States, doesn't mean that the Owning Class will listen to us. They aren't interested. We have no choice, or one choice; We rise up and start civil war.

      2) I occasionally need to get some place faster than a covered wagon in the fucking Oregon trail. Maddeningly, the costs of fuel have skyrocketed in the last decade or so making a cross country trip unaffordable. Americans have even less free time needing to attend to their slave wage jobs just to keep alive. The freedom of a living wage is denied to most everyone. Airlines are cheaper than vehicles for anything but the shortest trip. (I'm not kidding. I can get a plane flight in advance cheaper than bus fare).

      3) I don't mind staring down the TSA agent and MAKING THEM GROPE ME. They serve at my pleasure. If it weren't for me, the airlines wouldn't even be in business, and the TSA agent wouldn't even be employed. So they can enjoy groping my sweaty balls while I look down at their uncomfortable faces. Their stupid fucking decision, not mine. By theirs, I mean the lawmakers and execu-suck-heads at the TSA. Agents on the ground are just abused wage slavers like everyone else which means there is no reason to fuck with them like that. Everyone simply asking for the pat down is more than enough to start changing policies. So a good question would be, "why do Americans put up with the TSA as a job at all? Why don't they get a better job?"

      4) Better than the pornoscanner that records it for all time, and allows viewing by anybody with access to the data streams. That's by and far more invasive over time then somebody patting down the outside of your clothes and touching you with the backs of their hands.

      FOR THE RECORD - Nothing is actually changing at the TSA. I made my phone calls and nothing substantive is changing at all. That's fake news according to my sources. About the only thing going on, and why the pat downs are getting increased scrutiny, is a much higher frequency of drug trafficking. If anybody wants to be really afraid, then fear getting handed over to the local police. When they need to do body cavity searches and x-rays, that's a local matter. The TSA never does anything that invasive from what I've heard.

      Nothing to see here, move along... :)

      --
      Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @10:40AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @10:40AM (#475964)

    I presumed the Visa Waiver Program to be the start of the end for this nonsense.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @11:13AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @11:13AM (#475968)

      The surveillance state is here to stay. Forever. The new threat is homegrown anyway. Incubated online at sites like SoylentNews.

      • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @01:58PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @01:58PM (#476002)

        defendant: "your honor, i was self radicalized".
        prosecuter: "by what?"
        defendant: "the truth"
        prosecutor: "ahh, yes. The mortal enemy of the government."

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by stormreaver on Tuesday March 07 2017, @01:01PM (3 children)

    by stormreaver (5101) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @01:01PM (#475981)

    The TSA is why I haven't boarded a plane in over a decade, and why I will never fly again.

    • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday March 07 2017, @01:38PM

      by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @01:38PM (#475990) Journal

      I flew once since the TSA was created. I will only fly once more when I emigrate.

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      Washington DC delenda est.
    • (Score: 1) by DavePolaschek on Tuesday March 07 2017, @02:05PM

      by DavePolaschek (6129) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @02:05PM (#476006) Homepage Journal

      Note that people like you (and me) are why the TSA was also going after Amtrak (haven't taken a train for over five years, so I don't know the current situation) http://railroadfan.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=20775 [railroadfan.com]

      Also be careful of the 100-mile constitution-free-zone in which CBP has relatively free reign. https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone [aclu.org]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 08 2017, @01:53AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 08 2017, @01:53AM (#476261)

      Some of us aren't traumatized by being touched on any point of our bodies, except maybe the eyes, but the TSA doesn't check under your eyelids so I'm still ok. IF they're going to be doing any screening they should at least be doing it right. The pat-downs check for anything firm hidden on you and for that they need to check your belt-line and the majority of your skin's external surface area (they don't shove their hand up your ass crack despite some beliefs). People who were mentally abused by their parents and society and thus believe random sections of skin are evil or somehow different from other sections should rightfully hide away inside where no one might accidentally look at them for too long.

      No longer flying will do nothing to stop TSA from spreading. What you're actually doing is passively accepting the TSA. No one knows you're protesting unless you actually tell someone who matters. Have you hand written any letters to any agencies, politicians, or airlines? No? Then you're just whining at something you're too immature and weak to handle. Someone brushing over your dick shouldn't be any different from someone brushing by your fingers when you're handing someone something. Intent matters. Even if the TSA agent grabbed you you should still have the self fortitude to not completely breakdown anytime another person looked at you. Getting poked at any point on your body shouldn't be a life shattering, long term incident. Stop being a professional victim.

      What I've never seen anyone talk about, what are trans-people doing when flying? Certainly the trans-females should be getting awkward fondling by the female TSA who aren't expecting to find a penis and testicles on a female.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @02:06PM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @02:06PM (#476009)

    it's proven that raping or radiating flyers fails to detect a high percentage of weapons, etc so these dumb pigs decide they're just not raping hard enough. not terrorizing grandmothers or children bad enough. why is the federal government even allowed in the building? if i buy a ticket from an airline (i won't but let's just say i did) those bootlickers should be the ones providing security or the airport itself. not some seditious feds.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @02:29PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @02:29PM (#476020)

      Stop trivializing the term rape by using it for things that are not de facto rape, you're just as bad as the government using terrorism for "any behavior we don't like".

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:16PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @05:16PM (#476071)

        Full-on penetration occurs in some "more comprehensive" searches. That is the definition of rape.

        • (Score: 2) by edIII on Tuesday March 07 2017, @08:54PM

          by edIII (791) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @08:54PM (#476169)

          No, it does not. There is enough false information going around, don't need to add.

          1) I don't know about private screenings, but I know about public ones. You have the option of being patted down in front of everyone.

          2) From TSA agents directly, I've been told that cavity searches ARE NOT performed by TSA agents. That occurs by local police, so take up your issues with them. When you get processed into jails and prisons, the TSA pat downs start to look amazingly innocent in comparison.

          3) These "rapists" are anything but willing. Just another wage slaver like you and I, and they don't want to do it. Not at all. The use of "rape" is completely inaccurate, but if you wish to assign it to the correct people, then lay those accusations down at the feet of those truly in charge of TSA policies and procedures. If anything, both the traveler and TSA agents are victims.

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          Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
      • (Score: 2) by sjames on Tuesday March 07 2017, @06:36PM

        by sjames (2882) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @06:36PM (#476114) Journal

        If you walked up to a woman on the street and did those things, what do you suppose she would yell (before pepper spraying you)?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @11:23PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @11:23PM (#476219)

        Yeah... unlike with real rape, the TSA doesn't give you the option of just keeping your legs closed.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @02:32PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @02:32PM (#476021)

      Hey, this might work with the Trump admin -- private industry should be contracted for airport security instead of TSA. Save a boatload of money.

      But on second thought, this hasn't worked out so well with privatized prisons...who seem to hire thugs/guards with even less screening.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @03:14PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 07 2017, @03:14PM (#476035)

      Which quite frankly I'd have less of a problem with if letting your junk hang out in public wasn't illegal.

      If I am going to get groped, then I should at least have the option of showing them I have nothing to hide.

  • (Score: 1) by butthurt on Tuesday March 07 2017, @10:46PM

    by butthurt (6141) on Tuesday March 07 2017, @10:46PM (#476206) Journal
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 09 2017, @04:05PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 09 2017, @04:05PM (#476995)

    I think I'll go ahead and fondle your asshole right now!

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