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posted by martyb on Sunday April 23 2017, @01:48AM   Printer-friendly
from the but-will-it-run-FillInTheBlank? dept.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-ultralight-pcs-based-on-arm-smartphone-chips-set-for-q4-says-qualcomm/

The ARM partnership between Microsoft and Qualcomm is notable as it expands Windows 10's existing support of x86 chips from Intel and AMD. It also looks set to overcome the constraints of Microsoft's previous ARM effort with Windows RT.

The Snapdragon 835 PCs will run full Windows 10 desktop, which has been compiled natively for Qualcomm's SoCs. They'll also run Win32 apps via an emulator, as well as universal Windows apps. Microsoft billed the forthcoming devices as a "truly mobile, power-efficient, always-connected cellular PC".


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Microsoft Windows is back on ARM:

Just shy of a year after announcing that Windows was once again going to be available on ARM systems, the first two systems were announced today: the Asus NovaGo 2-in-1 laptop, and the HP Envy x2 tablet.

[...] The Asus laptop boasts 22 hours of battery life or 30 days of standby, along with LTE that can run at gigabit speeds. HP's tablet offers a 12.3 inch, 1920×1280 screen, 20 hours battery life or 29 days of standby, and a removable keyboard-cover and stylus. Both systems use the Snapdragon 835 processor and X16 LTE modem, with HP offering up to 8GB RAM and 256GB storage to go with it.

Lenovo is expected to announce a similar system in the coming weeks.

Also at The Verge, Engadget, and TechCrunch.

Previously: Big Changes Planned by Microsoft - Windows 10 on ARM, Laptops to Behave More Like Phones
Windows 10 PCs Running on Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 to Arrive this Year
New Windows 10 S Only Runs Software From Windows Store
Microsoft Knows Windows is Obsolete. Here's a Sneak Peek at Its Replacement.
New App Allows Win32 Software to Run on Windows 10 S
Intel Hints at Patent Fight With Microsoft and Qualcomm Over x86 Emulation


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  • (Score: 2) by Snotnose on Sunday April 23 2017, @01:56AM

    by Snotnose (1623) on Sunday April 23 2017, @01:56AM (#498138)

    Qualcomm makes some kick ass chips. Microsoft more and more make "Um, WTF" software. So you can buy a tablet that let's Microsoft suck all your personal information into it's black hole.

    Not seeing a market segment winner here. IMHO, Qualcomm fucked up with this deal.

  • (Score: 2) by KilroySmith on Sunday April 23 2017, @02:02AM (6 children)

    by KilroySmith (2113) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 23 2017, @02:02AM (#498139)

    It'll be interesting to benchmark the "best of ARM" against the "Best of Intel". Just how close is a quad-core 2 GHz ARM compared with a Skylake Pentium? With native Windows 10, it'll make it a lot easier to compare.

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday April 23 2017, @02:19AM (5 children)

      by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Sunday April 23 2017, @02:19AM (#498144) Journal

      And Intel will start with the advantage due to the emulator overhead.

      Quad core ARM? How about 8 cores (Snapdragon 835)?

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      • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Sunday April 23 2017, @06:41AM (4 children)

        by kaszz (4211) on Sunday April 23 2017, @06:41AM (#498198) Journal

        They'll also run Win32 apps via an emulator, as well as universal Windows apps.

        Ie, for native software there's no emulation gain to be had.

        Anyone has a suggestion for software that is useful to make a comparison with? MS-Word with some CPU sucking macro seems not very representative of real tasks.

        Btw translation for the forthcoming devices: "truly stalking, power-efficient, always-spying with nearby phone-home"

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by migz on Sunday April 23 2017, @09:09AM (1 child)

          by migz (1807) on Sunday April 23 2017, @09:09AM (#498240)

          > MS-Word with some CPU sucking macro seems not very representative of real tasks.
          Pft...Kid you ain't never been anywhere near corporate.

          • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Sunday April 23 2017, @09:17AM

            by kaszz (4211) on Sunday April 23 2017, @09:17AM (#498242) Journal

            Yes Word is used. But it may not be the best software to compare processor performance other than for word processing specific use.

        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday April 23 2017, @12:44PM (1 child)

          by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Sunday April 23 2017, @12:44PM (#498301) Journal

          Anyone has a suggestion for software that is useful to make a comparison with? MS-Word with some CPU sucking macro seems not very representative of real tasks.

          Starting on http://www.anandtech.com/show/11244/the-amd-ryzen-5-1600x-vs-core-i5-review-twelve-threads-vs-four/5 [anandtech.com]

          Adobe Reader DC
          FCAT Processing
          3D Particle Movement v2.1
          DigiCortex 1.20
          Agisoft Photoscan 1.0
          Corona 1.3
          Blender 2.78
          POV-Ray 3.7.1
          Cinebench R15
          SunSpider 1.0.2
          Mozilla Kraken 1.1
          Google Octane 2.0
          WebXPRT 2013 and 2015
          7-Zip
          WinRAR 5.40
          TrueCrypt (will this be dropped by them for VeraCrypt?)
          HandBrake
          PCMark8
          Chromium Compile
          SYSmark 2014 SE

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          • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Sunday April 23 2017, @07:34PM

            by kaszz (4211) on Sunday April 23 2017, @07:34PM (#498475) Journal

            These will run on both Snapdragon 835 PC and x86?

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Sunday April 23 2017, @02:03AM (2 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 23 2017, @02:03AM (#498140)

    On top of AMD competition, Intel will be sooo happy with this.
    I can feel its former tick-tock (now in 3 steps incarnation) will register some remarkable tachycardia which, if not properly controlled, may degenerate into fibrillation.

    • (Score: 2) by butthurt on Sunday April 23 2017, @02:28AM (1 child)

      by butthurt (6141) on Sunday April 23 2017, @02:28AM (#498148) Journal

      Intel will be tasked with producing ARM's 64-bit cores and other hardware that companies like Apple, Qualcomm, Nvidia, and others base their chip designs off of. [...]

      -- https://www.theverge.com/2016/8/16/12507568/intel-arm-mobile-chips-licensing-deal-idf-2016 [theverge.com]

      • (Score: 2) by TheRaven on Sunday April 23 2017, @12:20PM

        by TheRaven (270) on Sunday April 23 2017, @12:20PM (#498291) Journal
        I didn't see that, but it makes sense. Intel has always been a fab company first and a CPU vendor a distant second (actually, most of the chips they sell aren't x86 CPUs, so perhaps a distant fourth or fifth), it's just that their CPU business is very high profile. The fact that AMD has been able to remain competitive while a generation or two behind in process technology and a much smaller budget shows exactly how bad Intel is at designing CPUs.
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 23 2017, @03:01AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 23 2017, @03:01AM (#498154)

    ALL NEW MALARIA!!! Now it infects even the left-handed homo sapiens!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 23 2017, @04:18AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 23 2017, @04:18AM (#498165)

      No, it is more like "pull the other one!" Or as the late President George W. Busch said, you cain't get fooled agin!

  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 23 2017, @04:55PM

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday April 23 2017, @04:55PM (#498391)

    Holy Kaopectate, I *don't* think so. When are they going to give up on this idea of just copying Android and iOS? What happened to innovation?

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Geezer on Sunday April 23 2017, @05:45PM

    by Geezer (511) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 23 2017, @05:45PM (#498416)

    It's not a PC. It's a datamining/ad delivery appliance that can run a few useful programs.

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