FossaMail ( https://www.fossamail.org/ ) announced that they will be shutting down next month, and I must search for a replacement email program again. So far, my research for replacements found Claws Mail, and Slypheed, but are there any other stand alone email programs that are being updated? One other requirement is PGP support for encrypted messages.
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(Score: 2, Informative) by Demose on Sunday April 23 2017, @07:56AM (18 children)
Thunderbird with classic theme restorer?
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Sunday April 23 2017, @09:44AM (15 children)
Indeed, unlike Firefox, Thunderbird is also pretty usable even without Classic Theme Restorer (but I'm using Linux; maybe it's different under Windows).
While Thunderbird doesn't support PGP/GPG out of the box, the Enigmail extension adds that capability.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 1) by Deeo Kain on Sunday April 23 2017, @10:41AM (14 children)
What I hate of Thunderbird is that it won't allow you to configure an email account if it cannot verify the supplied credentials actually work *and* it won't allow you to use a custom From: header. This is idiotic, as there are hundred instances when this is useful or even needed.
(Score: 4, Informative) by maxwell demon on Sunday April 23 2017, @11:21AM (10 children)
I'm not sure what exactly you need that custom From header for, but you can configure several identities for a single email account. I definitely have posted through the same email provider, using the same email account, with different From headers. It certainly is sufficient for my purposes; YMMV.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 1) by Deeo Kain on Sunday April 23 2017, @05:33PM (9 children)
The fact that you cannot understand of what use are RFC-compliant custom headers is like programmers that close bugs with "Works for me". Hell, your PC, OS and settings are not the same as every other one's on Earth!
Some domains of mine have email catch-all accounts. A few times I want to answer email sent to a non-existent, disabled or black-holed account to make sure the sender did not just mistype the recipient address for a legitimate email without giving out an actual account I use. I do *not* want to have hundreds of valid accounts on my email-servers to do this just because blockhead Thunderbird thinks it's smarter than I or because it wants to play SJW or it thinks it has a duty in policing the Internet and it's users. What I want to do is both legal and RFC-compliant, so pleeease, PC-ness drenched Thunderbird developers, stay out of the way, concentrate on the protocols and in a no-nonsense and congruous UI, deliver a stable and solid MUA and
*STOP* pissing people with your policing their user experience!
(Score: 1) by Deeo Kain on Sunday April 23 2017, @05:49PM (6 children)
I forgot to mention, there's nothing wrong with configuring an email account while off-line.
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Sunday April 23 2017, @07:33PM (5 children)
There was no need to mention that, as I nowhere claimed there were something wrong with it.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 1) by Deeo Kain on Sunday April 23 2017, @08:23PM (4 children)
If only could you get that thick Mozilla crapola out of your skull you'd understand configuring an email account is impossible with plain-vanilla Thunderbird. You need third-party addons, for Jeezus f**king sake!
As something technical is been discussed about Thunderbird's UI, let your useless and distracting "I'm not sure what exactly you need that custom From header for," innuendo out of the way as it has no role in determining what TB developers had in their minds other than beans when they decided you can only configure existent email addresses and that you must be online to add accounts.
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Sunday April 23 2017, @08:31PM
Do you suffer from Tourette syndome?
Where did I say anything that contradicts this? I wasn't talking about that question AT ALL!
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 24 2017, @05:14AM
Take a chill pill. Step away from the keyboard and go for walk, and read this thread again in an 2-3 hours. Bust that stress.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday April 24 2017, @10:27PM (1 child)
If only could you get that thick Mozilla crapola out of your skull you'd understand configuring an email account is impossible with plain-vanilla Thunderbird. You need third-party addons, for Jeezus f**king sake!
As something technical is been discussed about Thunderbird's UI, let your useless and distracting "I'm not sure what exactly you need that custom From header for," innuendo out of the way as it has no role in determining what TB developers had in their minds other than beans when they decided you can only configure existent email addresses and that you must be online to add accounts.
Your tone is combative. You ignorance is obvious. You're the poster boy for "'tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."
I own a variety of domains which have wildcard email associated with them. For any email addresses that I know I'll need to send email from, I create an additional "identity" within my primary email account. This is what Maxwell Daemon [soylentnews.org] was talking about.
What's more, vanilla Thunderbird absolutely allows you to set a custom "From:" header:
1. Begin composing new email
2. Click on From: field
3. Select "Customize From: Address" at bottom of drop-down
4. Read (or don't) dialog about potential ISP restrictions on custom email addreses and click "Ok"
5. Enter custom email address.
6. ...
7. Profit!
TL;DR: You're talking out of your ass and it smells that way too.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 25 2017, @01:41PM
Also, about the "configure account while offline" part:
- Open the "Add new email account" dialog
- Fill in the data and click "Next"
- Stop the server guessing. The dialog appends new boxes to fill in the values for ingoing and outgoing servers, protocols and usernames. Fill them in as needed.
- Once everything is filled in, click "Advanced configuration" instead of "Done".
- Profit!
Not the most intuitive way to do it, but can be done.
(Score: 3, Informative) by maxwell demon on Sunday April 23 2017, @07:24PM
Maybe you should try to read and understand posts before you reply to them. I did not write I cannot understand the value of custom headers, I wrote that I do not know your use case and therefore cannot tell how well Thunderbirds ability to specify different ones for the same email account (which it does have, and which, as I wrote, I do use myself) does or does not fit your use case. From what I knew at that point, there was a chance it would have fit and that it was only your lack of knowledge about it (and the rest of your reply indeed proves that you do lack knowledge about it, so at least that assumption was not wrong).
From your apparent lack of reading comprehension, I think you are the one of us who would be more likely to inappropriately close a bug report, for the reason that you simply didn't understand it correctly.
Nor did I claim so. You may have noticed the use of "YMMV" in my post (if you didn't notice it, then see my suggestion above: read the posts before you reply to them). In case you didn't know what those letters mean, I urgently advise you to learn that meaning. Hint: It means that your sentence I just quoted (and the implicit insult it carries) was completely uncalled for.
Yes, that's certainly a legitimate use case, and I can see that the interface Thunderbird offers is awkward for that use case. However I'm sure that I'm not alone with my use case, and there's a certain chance that my post describing is has helped at least one other reader here.
Nor do you need them. As I wrote in my previous post I myself use different From headers (BTW with completely different mail addresses, which do not even have the same domain name) with the very same account. Now in my case it's a fixed number of mail addresses, therefore the interface Thunderbird offers is perfectly useful for my use case. I see that it is less useful for your use case, although certainly not impossible to use.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 2) by urza9814 on Monday April 24 2017, @03:04PM
Huh? This sounds like exactly what I do with Thunderbird every day. I've got a number of wildcard addresses, a couple specific noreply addresses, a few addresses that route only to special systems. I can send an email from any of those addresses through Thunderbird even through a totally different account just by typing the address in the from field, you don't even need to create an account identity anymore, and you certainly don't need to verify ownership or anything. What exactly do you think is missing?
(Score: 3, Informative) by mmh on Sunday April 23 2017, @02:40PM (2 children)
I was in the same boat as you, I need the ability to use custom from headers.
For those of you questioning why anyone would ever possibly want control over their email. My reason: I have multiple domains hosted from one email server and hundreds of "from" addresesses. Everyone that wants an email address gets companyname-mmh@mydomain.com, then when f^* hole sells my information, it's super easy to blacklist that email, and know which f$% hole to never give money to again.
Anywho... back on point, there's a plugin for Thunderbird called "Virtual Identity" which allows you to customize the from header, and ever better, it "remembers" which from address to use for which to address the email is being sent to.
https://www.absorb.it/virtual-id [absorb.it]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 23 2017, @05:13PM (1 child)
People who want control over their mail use Alpine or Realpine or Mutt.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 24 2017, @03:07PM
you missed gnus...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 23 2017, @10:43PM (1 child)
Didn't Mozilla say they were no longer working on Thunderbird, or did I miss something?
(Score: 2) by dry on Monday April 24 2017, @03:00AM
Didn't Mozilla say they were no longer working on Thunderbird, or did I miss something?
Yes, Mozilla stopped working on Thunderbird and even told their developers to not spend any time on it. Thunderbird is now more like SeaMonkey, volunteer driven I believe. Mozilla is still hosting the infrastructure.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 23 2017, @07:59AM (18 children)
I realize that this will not be a popular opinion around these here parts, but it's true. E-mail clients are dead. The government and enterprise sectors already have and use Microsoft Outlook. Just about everyone else uses webmail. There is just no point in maintaining or creating an e-mail client these days.
(Score: 5, Informative) by aristarchus on Sunday April 23 2017, @08:24AM (7 children)
Here is my lawn, stay the hell on it! E-mail is text only, ascii, no html, no javascript. Thus, no need for any kind of "webmail" interface. Give me a client, one I can configure and control as I see fit. Anyone using "ConstantContact" or "MailChimp" are enemies of humanity, and are to be shot on sight. Just because you call it "marketing", that does not mean you are not a spammer. Bastards. And you think I may want to view your message in a browser? Why the fuck would I want to to that, unless I was willing to have you execute all kinds of code on my system, without my explicit permission, and at my expense? What the fuck do you think I am, a Windows Ten user?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 23 2017, @08:51AM (1 child)
Here is my lawn, stay the hell on it!
Occupy My Lawn is a thing now? OK dude. Lemme park my trailer home. Wanna see the sword that killed Lincoln?
(Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Sunday April 23 2017, @09:05AM
Perhaps I was not clear: get your html e-mail off my lawn!!!
Wanna see the sword that killed Lincoln?
Obvious fake! Everyone knows, from Bill O'Really's book, that the Vampire Slayer got killed with his own magical rail-splitting axe!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday April 23 2017, @01:20PM (1 child)
I used an email client for years that was HTML. I'm having a brain fart at the moment, and can't name the damned thing right now. Oh - Pegasus Mail. I think it was Windows only, but I could be wrong. I was still on dial up, with more or less intermittent access to the internet. I could save all my mail, from all of my accounts, on my machine, read it, compose email to send later if/when I had internet, whatever.
If you are making the point that email SHOULD only be text, I sorta agree, but not 100%. I've gotten used to viewing images, without opening a separate application to do so. And, PDF's. Attachments can be dangerous, but since I don't have any adobe or microsoft software on my machine, the danger is rather minimal. I'll open attachments that I'm expecting, as well as attachments from trusted sources. Of course, NEVER OPEN ATTACHMENTS FROM UNTRUSTED AND/OR UNKNOWN SOURCES!! But, I think everyone here already knows that, right?
Agree 100% about javascript though. That, and cross site scripting, should both die.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by noneof_theabove on Sunday April 23 2017, @05:54PM
Pegasus Email is still around at pmail.com
Along with its counter part Mercury Mail Server.
Yes, Windows ONLY but I have never tried it in WINE on Linux.
Much more configurable than web-mail.
If I remember Yahoo! the overload of spam only allows 25 in the blacklist with is not comprehensive.
Running Mercury in front of any email client lets you aggregate many mail pulls from IMAP and POP, then do a much better customizing of deliver.
Use it from 1999 until I retired in July 2014 and the pmail.com has updates from April 2017.
Just my $0.01.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by butthurt on Sunday April 23 2017, @03:23PM
> E-mail is text only, ascii, no html [...]
No Greek alphabet, then?
(Score: 2, Interesting) by MikeVDS on Sunday April 23 2017, @05:12PM (1 child)
Serious Question:
My company uses MailChimp, and I hate it. What is a very user friendly way to replace it?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday April 23 2017, @06:28PM
Tell them you want mailchimp out, but not around blacks, because "chimpout" will be all that they hear.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by maxwell demon on Sunday April 23 2017, @09:41AM (1 child)
In the age of HTML mails, anyone who has half a brain and is the slightest bit security conscious will use a standalone mail program. The typical webmail interface will not work well without JavaScript enabled, and since from the browser's point of view the email comes from the same source as the interface, it will happily execute also any script found in the email interface.
And that is before considering the privacy implications that come from the mail provider knowing exactly what mail you are watching when, instead of just noticing the regular bulk downloads from your mail client.
And certainly the mail client won't shove advertisements (other than spam mails evading the filter) in my face (technically one could of course write one that does, but that would for me be the reason to switch clients ASAP).
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 23 2017, @09:28PM
...and as was mentioned way up in the (meta)thread (though it wasn't explained all that well), you NEVER want something to go straight into your main inbox.
ALWAYS give out your email address as
OldFriend.MyInbox@MyDomain.com
Long-TimeBusinessAssociate.MyInbox@MyDomain.com
UnknownEntity.MyInbox@MyDomain.com
UntrustworthyDouchebag.MyInbox@MyDomain.com
etc.
When some entity proves to be a dick, nuke that inbox.
GMail, as an example, ignores the dot in an email address, so this is unworkable with their webmail service.
You absolutely must have your own domain to manage your email effectively.
...and, of course, an email client.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Sunday April 23 2017, @12:00PM
I realize that this will not be a popular opinion around these here parts....
Not so much unpopular as puzzling because you forgot to put in the [sarcasm] tags.
It's NOT a conspiracy... it's a plot.
(Score: 2) by TheRaven on Sunday April 23 2017, @12:11PM (2 children)
sudo mod me up
(Score: 2) by urza9814 on Monday April 24 2017, @03:17PM (1 child)
I think you've got Linux/Android confused here. My Linux distro came with a reasonable mail client; my Android device came with one that does nothing but feed data to Google -- which I had to replace with K-9 Mail.
(Score: 2) by TheRaven on Monday April 24 2017, @03:46PM
sudo mod me up
(Score: 1) by Deeo Kain on Sunday April 23 2017, @05:39PM
I think it's not M$ Out-of-luck that killed the classic email clients, it has been around for decades.
I think it's smartphone IM apps that did.
(Score: 1) by pTamok on Monday April 24 2017, @07:10AM (1 child)
I have noticed that many people use instant messaging (which may incorporate images or video) instead of email, and it seems to be a cultural shift, aided by the fact that many of the messaging media are proprietary and have, to a greater or lesser extent, features that lock people in to a particular platform.
In my case, I noticed this shift when my employer made use of instant messaging mandatory, and your messaging client had to show your status, which coincided with many people thinking that they had a right to interrupt what I was doing and that I had a responsibility to respond to instant messages immediately. I thought it was getting silly when I was on an audioconference, and had three simultaneous instant messaging conversations going on. There is academic work to show that multitasking might make you feel as though you are being effective, but in reality, it is not an efficient way of working.
I like email, but I also like Usenet (there are still one or two civilised corners), and IRC. That marks me out as a dinosaur. It may well be I like them because I am introverted, and like to consider what I say or write, whereas my experience of a visible proportion of others is that many like to fill silence with vapid remarks. I try (but do not succeed) to live in accordance with the saying: it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open my mouth and remove all doubt. Many people cannot conceive of the possibility of their own foolishness.
I think many people used email when there was, in their view, no good other choice; and now that 'rich' instant messaging clients are available, they feel instant messaging is more in keeping with their preferred style of communication: so the people left using email are those who choose to use it, which is a much smaller user-base. Consequently, there are fewer resources devoted to its development.
I hope email never goes away, but just as fewer and fewer people retain fixed/land-line telephones, I'm sure some people eschew email. Companies tend to use Facebook, Twitter and web-forms as means of contact with their customers and email is de-emphasised. I can see email going the way of Usenet: used by some, abused by many, and no-longer relevant to most people. Which is a shame.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 24 2017, @03:22PM
I'd agree. I think email gets used less because there'll be another option that better fits the communication need. But I don't think email will die any more than radio died when television started or than the phone died when skype started. It depends on the communication need/desire: phone, email, text, plethora of IM, skype, twitter, etc.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 25 2017, @03:05AM
"The government and enterprise sectors already have and use Microsoft Outlook. Just about everyone else uses webmail."
and 97% of the population is damn near retarded. that leaves about 3% of people who use linux and an email client. no shit, dumb ass.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 23 2017, @09:15AM (1 child)
One word: mutt. The trusty, lovable and homely mutt has fleas, but less than other dogs.
This, or the emacs email client.
(Score: 1) by daver!west!fmc on Monday April 24 2017, @12:34AM
I'm thinking of three off the top of my head, Rmail, VM, and Gnus; how many others are there?
(Score: 3, Informative) by NotSanguine on Sunday April 23 2017, @09:17AM
This article [wikipedia.org] should give you a bunch to choose from.
I use Thunderbird with Enigmail [enigmail.net] myself and it works pretty well. Enigmail runs as an add-on to Thunderbird and SeaMonkey.
I hope you find something which meets your needs.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Aiwendil on Sunday April 23 2017, @09:25AM (3 children)
Alpine (or Re-Alpine if you need an unvetted feature), you can hook up gpg to its preparsers.
Quite frankly - unless you want stuff that don't belong in email (ie - scripts and embedded stuff) any 32bit email client with ssl and ability to call external prograns will work.
(Score: 1) by Deeo Kain on Sunday April 23 2017, @10:46AM (2 children)
Why do you think a 64-bit email client won't do?
Do you think mutt cannot be run on a 64-bit only machine?
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday April 23 2017, @11:33AM
Mutt will run on a 64-bit machine. That's where I run it. I ssh -X to my 64-bit email server, and read on my 32-bit laptop in plain text mode. If I ever want to look at an html version of a message, that's what the -X is for. But for html-only messages I get to decide whether to look at them,
Putting mutt inside a virtual machine might be a good idea if reading html gets to be worrisomely common.
-- hendrik
(Score: 2) by Aiwendil on Sunday April 23 2017, @12:37PM
Bad phrasing on my part - I should have written "any client that can deal with files at least two gigabyte files and deal with at least 32bit adressing libraries" (ie, meant to exclude sub-32bit)
But to answer, no idea - last time I tried mutt I was still on a P3.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 23 2017, @10:38AM (8 children)
I'm currently digging on claws-mail and can't find any significant faults with it for what I desire out of an email program. But then I only bother with pop3 and smtp and don't ask my email program to be an integrated part of an office suite. How you use and what you expect from email will cause what you need to vary quite a lot.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by Deeo Kain on Sunday April 23 2017, @10:49AM (6 children)
But then I only bother with pop3
You *dinosaur*!
(Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 23 2017, @11:41AM (5 children)
S'what they tell me but I just don't want the mail server thinking it's anything but a dumb relay. Processing should happen in clients.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by Deeo Kain on Sunday April 23 2017, @05:42PM (4 children)
What makes IMAP an email-processing agent?
(Score: 4, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 23 2017, @07:08PM (3 children)
IMAP talks back to the server telling it whether you've read an email and even how you've sorted it and the server then reflects this to any other mail client you attempt to pull mail with. POP just gives you your mail. I've no interest in letting my mail host have a bunch of meta-data on me beyond what it needs to deliver my email.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by NCommander on Monday April 24 2017, @08:32AM (1 child)
We could always install a POP2 server so you can really get your retro on, or maybe the original post office porotocol 1 if we can find a reference implementation of it :)
Still always moving
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 24 2017, @04:16PM
Could just type them to me in privmsg over irc.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by urza9814 on Monday April 24 2017, @03:24PM
This is why I use POP to pull it to my local mail server but then IMAP to sync that with my devices. I like the 'unread mail' indicator to actually mean something... :)
(Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday April 23 2017, @01:01PM
I'm using claws-mail exclusively to read my RSS feeds. So far, mostly good.
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(Score: 2) by Nerdfest on Sunday April 23 2017, @03:40PM
I'm primarily a KDE user and switched to KMail after hitting a problem with Thunderbird that I couldn't work around (stopped retrieving mail without being restarted after several days running). I've been quite happy with it. It does multiple accounts, multiple identities, handles encryption quite well, and has every other feature I use. it integrates quite nicely with KDE as well of course.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 01 2017, @12:42PM
I recommend good old Evolution from Gnome 2. Now it's part of Mate or Gnome 3, but maybe you can use it with other environments. It is simple, robust, has good filtering, and scales well for big DPIs (4k screens).