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posted by on Thursday April 27 2017, @01:53AM   Printer-friendly
from the must-be-pricey dept.

News for System 76 fans:

We're about to build the Model S of computers. Something so brilliant and beautiful that reviewers will have to add an 11 to their scores. Being that we're System76 and we do things the System76 way, our design principles are polar opposite of the rest of the industry.

  • Represent the character of our company

Our company is open, warm, friendly, and high-quality. Our designs reflect these characteristics.

  • Represent the Open Source community

Our CAD work will be Open Source and our design will pay tribute to computer science.

  • Easy to work on and expand.

At every step along the way we ask, "How does this decision affect serviceability". Open it, change it, expand it. Our product will be flexible.

  • Efficient to manufacture

[...] We're starting with desktops. There's a lot to learn and the form factor is easiest to work with. Both design and CAD work are well along their way. We're prototyping with acrylic and moving to metal soon. Our first in-house designed and manufactured desktops will ship next year. Laptops are more complex and will follow much later.

It's going to take some years, but by the end of phase three, we'll be able to create anything. We'll apply our unique computers for creators perspective to every aspect of our products.

Also at: https://liliputing.com/2017/04/linux-pc-builder-system76-plans-design-manufacture-hardware.html


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:03AM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:03AM (#500466)

    Fuck you.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by davester666 on Thursday April 27 2017, @05:27AM (1 child)

      by davester666 (155) on Thursday April 27 2017, @05:27AM (#500529)

      Also stupid to push 3rd party sites instead of say, linking directly to the source of the information: http://blog.system76.com/ [system76.com]

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday April 27 2017, @12:01PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday April 27 2017, @12:01PM (#500613) Journal

        You mean like the link provided at the top of TFS?

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    • (Score: 2) by marcello_dl on Thursday April 27 2017, @07:24AM

      by marcello_dl (2685) on Thursday April 27 2017, @07:24AM (#500559)

      Seller of hardware converted to FOSS wants to manufacture in house: this is soylent-related news.

      Also confirms the idea that the real enemy of FOSS is the duopoly hardware/software makers.

    • (Score: 2) by Aiwendil on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:02AM

      by Aiwendil (531) on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:02AM (#500566) Journal

      C'mon, marketing speak are always good for a laugh or two.

      Froms TFS:

      Something so brilliant and beautiful that reviewers will have to add an 11 to their scores

      For instance always cracks me up, but then again I always think of "rating 0..10" as "mod 11" :)

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:07AM (9 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:07AM (#500468)

    Tell us how the company leadership consists entirely of black lesbian veterans.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:27AM (8 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:27AM (#500482)

      If you have something of value, and people want it, they'll pay for it, and never ask about the gallons of cum you have swallowed. Fact, fool.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @04:38AM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @04:38AM (#500517)

        Lesbians don't swallow cum.

        • (Score: 2, Disagree) by Phoenix666 on Thursday April 27 2017, @12:02PM (6 children)

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday April 27 2017, @12:02PM (#500614) Journal

          If you're doing it right, men aren't the only ones who produce cum. If you don't know what that means, then go get some more experience.

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          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:11PM (5 children)

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:11PM (#500863) Journal

            What we make isn't semen. My ex was (is?) a squirter...well, gusher/trickler, I don't think squirting as seen in porn is real, and I've done it a couple of times too. I heard there's a female equivalent to parts of the prostate that is drained by the Skene's glands and Bartholin's ducts; maybe that's what this is?

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @10:02PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @10:02PM (#500897)

              If there's a female equivalent to the bladder, maybe that's where it's coming from.

            • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday April 28 2017, @01:39AM (3 children)

              by Phoenix666 (552) on Friday April 28 2017, @01:39AM (#500991) Journal

              That is what I was talking about. It's not urine. It's not semen, but people call it cum, all the same.

              I have never encountered someone who squirted like porn videos, but I have been with a couple gushers. Neither of them thought they could do it when we met; and they couldn't until we had developed a level of trust such that they felt they could let go. You also have to have good communication to figure out what works for them. Every woman is different.

              At any rate they said nothing could compare to it; neither could go back to the simple clitoral orgasms that are the extent of what most women experience.

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              • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday April 28 2017, @02:25AM (1 child)

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday April 28 2017, @02:25AM (#501012) Journal

                Yeah, it's...different. Like, not that there's such a thing as a bad orgasm but it's like the difference between canned soup and the kind you make yourself with stock and your slow cooker, if that makes sense? And the trust thing is really important because, for my ex and me both, what did it was some kind of really, really deep stimulation with fingers. I swear it's some kind of second G-spot or something, way way way back almost near your cervix.

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                • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Friday April 28 2017, @01:41PM

                  by Phoenix666 (552) on Friday April 28 2017, @01:41PM (#501155) Journal

                  what did it was some kind of really, really deep stimulation with fingers. I swear it's some kind of second G-spot or something, way way way back almost near your cervix.

                  It's easiest that way because you can feel and remember where it is for your partner. You can reach those spots by other means like prostheses, but you are never sure of the precise angle or location, and the person receiving can't really tell either except to say it feels good or not. Either way there's a lot of experimentation and communication involved because beyond the immediate angle, pressure, rhythm, etc., there are many other factors that can make a critical difference to whether or not it works in a given session like where your partner is in her cycle, if she's full from having eaten a big meal recently, if the room is the wrong temperature, if she's too worried about work or something else to get in the right frame of mind, and so on.

                  There's also having a better knowledge of anatomy. It's only recently that scientists figured out that the clitoris, which everyone thought was just the nub at the top of the vagina, is actually just the tip of a much larger, ring shaped organ that encircles the vagina; it makes sense as it would explain why the G-spot and A-spot work. And those latter ones sometimes don't become sensitive enough until a woman has had a clitoral orgasm, but once they do become sensitive enough stimulating them can lead to repeated, vaginal orgasms.

                  In the end, every woman is different so there's no one formula for getting it right. Getting it right is worth doing, though, because nearly every relationship is made stronger if you have great physical relationship (because of the communication and trust it engenders).

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 28 2017, @03:05PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 28 2017, @03:05PM (#501181)

                Hate to tell you, but it was pee. You got peed on. There is only one hole it comes out of, and it's a direct plumbing to the bladder and nothing else.

  • (Score: 2) by driven on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:07AM (11 children)

    by driven (6295) on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:07AM (#500469)

    I don't need a new laptop yet, but I've had system76 at the top of my list to consider buying from. This is great news, even if it doesn't include laptops yet. We definitely need more free/open choices out there.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by vux984 on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:19AM (3 children)

      by vux984 (5045) on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:19AM (#500476)

      Meh, desktop cases are kind of a generic commodity at this stage and have been for years. I don't see a lot of value in designing and fabricating another one. Antec and others already make lots of excellently designed desktop cases, they are standards compliant and you can put any hardware you like in them. So I can't really see selecting System76 for the desktop case unless it is truly special in some way that i can't really imagine... and simultaneously not over-priced.

      An open source laptop design on the other hand tweaks my interest since there are numerous compromises that have to be made there between modularity, size, and style. And as I understand it system76 is basically selling rebadged laptops (is this correct?) so they are somewhat limited in terms of just what component combinations are inside them.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Hairyfeet on Thursday April 27 2017, @04:21AM (2 children)

        by Hairyfeet (75) <{bassbeast1968} {at} {gmail.com}> on Thursday April 27 2017, @04:21AM (#500515) Journal

        But is it really hard to find a laptop to run Linux on these days? Even someone like me who can't stand Linux (its not the OS, its the shitty attitude the devs have and the insane desire to constantly reinvent the wheel and change just enough shit to make distros incompatible with each other) will give credit where credit is due and from what I've seen on your average Intel i3 or AMD APU laptop? You just plug in the flash, install the OS and it "just works". Even the dreaded Broadcom wireless from what I've been told runs perfectly in the latest Ubuntu and as a nice bonus you have a Windows key you can use for a VM if you run into any software you need that doesn't run on Linux.

        so unless you just really hate having that windows key and are willing to pay a premium to lose it i just don't see the point, its not 2004 when finding hardware Linux would run on is a PITA anymore.

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        • (Score: 2) by stormwyrm on Thursday April 27 2017, @05:50AM

          by stormwyrm (717) on Thursday April 27 2017, @05:50AM (#500539) Journal
          Some of us don’t want to pay Microsoft one red cent for any of their misbegotten software. Sure, I could buy a laptop with Windows 10 preinstalled and pave it over with Linux Mint or whatever, but if I did that I’d still have paid Microsoft for Windows 10. I’d pay a reasonable premium for hardware that works perfectly with Linux and not have to work at getting a refund for a Windows 10 license that I don’t want and will never, ever use. I couldn’t give a damn about the “Windows key”. I’ve been planning to buy a System76 laptop for a while and will do so as soon as it’s financially viable.
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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @07:54PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @07:54PM (#500856)

          the shitty attitude [they] have and the insane desire to constantly reinvent the wheel and change just enough shit to make [things] incompatible

          Who were you talking about again?
          Oh, I see: Linux distro developers.
          Had me thinking you might be talking about Redmond.

          .
          ...and I'm happy to see that System76 (correctly written as one word) has improved its attitude.

          In 2009, Linux advocate Ken Starks contacted them and they couldn't be bothered with that "Linux community" stuff.
          Ken characterized System76 as rude. [googleusercontent.com] (orig) [blogspot.com]
          (Ken found ZaReason to be very congenial and recommended them to others.)

          -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

    • (Score: 2) by dyingtolive on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:59AM

      by dyingtolive (952) on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:59AM (#500490)

      Have you actually seen one of these in person? I've been interested since they came out, but I have a strong aversion to buying a laptop I can't physically test the keyboard/trackpad of first.

      As expected, they're not in stores anywhere I can find, but I was a little surprised to see they were not even at Microcenter.

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    • (Score: 4, Informative) by darkpixel on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:59AM (5 children)

      by darkpixel (4281) on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:59AM (#500491)

      I bought a System 76 laptop just under 5 years ago. The thing has been rock-solid. It was a bit spendy, but I went top-of-the-line at the time because I didn't want to have to replace it any time soon. Dual quad-core. 2.6 I think. 32 GB RAM and dual 128 MB SSDs. Unfortunately my SSDs are mirrored and nearly maxed out. I'm going to buy two after-market 256 GB drives next week and swap them in.

      Hopefully this will last me until their new line of laptops comes out and they are proven stable. I'll definitely buy from them again.

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by Thexalon on Thursday April 27 2017, @03:03AM (1 child)

        by Thexalon (636) on Thursday April 27 2017, @03:03AM (#500493)

        I'm typing this on a System76 laptop I picked up a few years ago. It works just fine hardware-wise. The biggest annoyance is that if you suspend-resume, it doesn't do a good job of picking up the Wifi connections, so I generally do a full shutdown instead.

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        • (Score: 1) by darkpixel on Thursday April 27 2017, @01:54PM

          by darkpixel (4281) on Thursday April 27 2017, @01:54PM (#500679)

          Hmm....I never put my laptop to sleep. I needed a powerful workstation that was semi-portable at first, but after a few months I stopped having to move it around. I'm running Mint on it, and I don't recall ever sleeping the darn thing. Mainly because I run a few VMs on it that serve stuff to the internet a few times a night. And it's hard-wired.

          I basically used the wireless for about 4 months and than almost never again.

          One weird issue I ran into in the very beginning was that I could unplug the ethernet interface and plug it back in and it would fail to detect a link. I would have to 'ip link set down dev eth0; ip link set up dev eth0'. I think it was a kernel bug as the problem hasn't recurred in years.

      • (Score: 2) by driven on Thursday April 27 2017, @01:43PM (2 children)

        by driven (6295) on Thursday April 27 2017, @01:43PM (#500672)

        Did you have any trouble with wireless waking up after sleep like someone else commented? That would be a deal-breaker for me.

        • (Score: 2, Informative) by darkpixel on Thursday April 27 2017, @01:49PM

          by darkpixel (4281) on Thursday April 27 2017, @01:49PM (#500676)

          That's one area I never deal with. I bought the laptop to take to work because work wouldn't provide a powerful enough machine to do my job. I would shut it down, pack it up, and go to work--never put it to sleep. After about 4 months of dragging it between work and home, I showed my boss what I was doing. He was impressed. And i told him I would no longer be lugging my $2,500 personal laptop to the office and he'd have to get me a decent machine. Problem solved. My laptop has been plugged in at home for the last 4.3 years. It never sleeps. ;)

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by urza9814 on Thursday April 27 2017, @05:25PM

          by urza9814 (3954) on Thursday April 27 2017, @05:25PM (#500805) Journal

          I bought the Bonobo Extreme Bonx8 model about two years back, and I've never had an issue with the wifi coming back after putting it to sleep.

          I *did* have some issues with it locking up when coming out of sleep, but that only started after a software update more than a year after I bought the thing so it's certainly not a hardware issue. Not sure what it is exactly because I haven't bothered to look into it any, but it's not the hardware (I use Arch so I figure it'll be fixed in a couple updates...at which point something *else* will break...)

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:13AM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:13AM (#500471)

    Please work on some kind of RISC-V based system; work with the people of the lowRISC [lowrisc.org] project.

    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:21AM (2 children)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:21AM (#500477)

      Nice sentiment, but I'd follow Apple's mid 2000s cue and offer an Intel based system. It may not be idealistically open, but it will be much more flexible and useful in the world we leave in.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:27AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:27AM (#500481)

        The goal should be to get away from the blackbox that is Intel.

        By all means, provide working machines that are profitable; just be sure to take a smidgen of those profits, and put them towards a profitable escape plan.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:42PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:42PM (#500873)

        If you said that as "x86-64" (actually an AMD technology which Chipzilla had to cross-license), that would be better.

        ...though I have no particular objection to GP's suggestion to get away from CISC and move to architectures that are more affordable and actually/potentially less power-hungry.
        (The only "disadvantage" that I see is that MICROS~1's crap won't run on them--which is NOT a fault of the hardware.)

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  • (Score: 2) by Appalbarry on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:24AM (1 child)

    by Appalbarry (66) on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:24AM (#500479) Journal

    My first assumption was yet another Soyvertisment, but they actually look not too bad.

    And, wonder of wonders, they actually realize that Canada is RIGHT NEXT DOOR and accommodate our situation. Nice change from all of the US retailers who just grunt and say "We don't want your money."

    Shame about the exchange rate .... though Trump's working on fixing that problem I guess.

    • (Score: 2) by Nerdfest on Thursday April 27 2017, @03:06AM

      by Nerdfest (80) on Thursday April 27 2017, @03:06AM (#500494)

      I'm on year 4 with one of their Bonobo laptops and am very happy. I'll probably buy from them eventually, but yeah, a better exchange rate would be nice.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by jmorris on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:26AM (4 children)

    by jmorris (4844) on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:26AM (#500480)

    I read this a few days ago. It is almost content free marketing speak.

    As best as I can translate from the marketing Black Speech to English is they have a laser cutter and are experimenting with case design. If it goes well at some indeterminate future date they will graduate to actually making and selling generic desktop PC computers in cool looking custom cases preinstalled with Ubuntu and loaded to the gills with closed drivers for the Nvidia video cards almost everything they sell is afflicted with. Be still my heart. Much later, perhaps, they might ramp up their internal capability to build a laptop. Been over thirty years, not like people haven't done it before... we used to even do it in the USA, we even did it Deep in the Heart of Texas without Californicated hipsters telling everyone how awesome they will be in a few years. Kek willing we will again.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Lagg on Thursday April 27 2017, @03:21AM

      by Lagg (105) on Thursday April 27 2017, @03:21AM (#500499) Homepage Journal

      When I opened that blog and saw the characteristic contentless youtube-adhd flow of the post I figured pretty much this. And you're correct. It really is just normal fab stuff being oversold to hell and back.

      Robots and automation! Manufacturing efficiency will keep prices competitive. And like software development, our manufacturing will continuously integrate product design improvements into production.

      i.e. a CNC mill and programmable arm

      Also, they aren't very unique in the "imma open sauce the CAD files!" department. It's cool that they're offering. But just moot is all. Like saying "we'll give you a free cup with that water". They don't have complex unique designs that they've achieved vendor lockin with.

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    • (Score: 2) by Arik on Thursday April 27 2017, @04:05AM

      by Arik (4543) on Thursday April 27 2017, @04:05AM (#500507) Journal
      This is really what kills it for me. In theory this sounds like just what I am looking for. Get to the details, yeah no thanks. Please insert that invidia card in your tightest orifice, then twist, thank you very much.
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    • (Score: 2) by Mykl on Thursday April 27 2017, @05:55AM (1 child)

      by Mykl (1112) on Thursday April 27 2017, @05:55AM (#500540)

      Agree 100%. I'm surprised that this was actually posted, given it is basically a Trump election stump speech. "We're going to build something, and it will be awesome! Trust me!". Absolutely no content to back up those claims. No firm dates. No feature set. No price indication. No information.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:29PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @02:29PM (#500695)

        "We will build a computer, and we will make the Mexicans pay for it!" ;-)

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @06:36PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @06:36PM (#500834)

    this is cool and everything but i think they're just talking about cases right now. i don't care about that all that much. i can make a case out of scrap around the house. what i care about is the freaking electronics inside the case. if you make open hardware with trustable firmware in the usa without the pigs fucking it up, that would be huge.

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