Submitted via IRC for TheMightyBuzzard
Libreboot has now officially applied to rejoin GNU, which it left in September. According to Leah Rowe, the "initial responses from GNU's leadership seems positive."
Last week we reported that after reorganization, Libreboot was considering rejoining GNU and was seeking input from its community to determine the amount of support it had for such a move. From reading the comments posted both on our article on FOSS Force and on Libreboot's website, it comes as no surprise that the project's core members feel they have the necessary consesus to proceed.
Last night, FOSS Force received an email — sent jointly to us and Phoronix — letting us know of the decision.
Source: http://fossforce.com/2017/04/libreboot-applies-rejoin-gnu/
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Libreboot Applies to Rejoin GNU
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:22AM (10 children)
They need to fork it and get rid of all the drama queens.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:44AM (9 children)
The drama queen in question wasn't even the person who 1) started or 2) contributed most to the project, they somehow ended up in the position of project manager because people trusted him and he provided hosting and what not. Judging by his results so far, he should be kicked out of the project and hopefully ignored by any other self-preserving project; the original devs shouldn't effectively be forced out.
Likely this move is him trying to save face after realizing nobody trusts him any more, not any ideological shift or new light shed on the (entirely deranged) accusations that started this.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by pTamok on Saturday April 29 2017, @09:22AM (8 children)
In my opinion the No Code of Conduct (NCoC) code of conduct has a lot going for it.
https://github.com/domgetter/NCoC [github.com] or https://nocodeofconduct.com/ [nocodeofconduct.com]
What is No Code of Conduct?
No Code Of Conduct is a groundbreaking new idea. Designed to help you find communities and projects that will not get stuck endlessly debating how members should behave in their communities, only to be found to never be fully resolved to anyone's liking.
What if... we all agreed?
Found via the Devuan forums: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=17 [dev1galaxy.org]
(Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:28AM (7 children)
4. No whiny bitches. If you try to get anyone else in trouble with the project, you're out the fucking door with my bootprint on your ass.
Add that to the list and you more or less have the unofficial SN code of conduct. The Brits on staff and I have had some epic arguments about politics in IRC and two minutes later been talking in a perfectly friendly manner about a site issue. None of us take our political disagreements personally because they have nothing whatsoever to do with anything site-related. Anyone who did manage to get butthurt over someone disagreeing with them would be given the bootprint remedy.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Lagg on Saturday April 29 2017, @12:46PM
Issue is that banning people now tends to be narrated-as or taken-as some kind of assault because people get their feelings hurt and people react when they're hurt. Which is honestly probably more healthy than not.
Part of the problem is the sheer availability of open platforms to kneer-jerk react on that are completely detached from you hundreds of times over. I knee-jerk reply here constantly and probably look like 3 different aggressively insane people because I post most when I've been working through the night. This whole uh... Misunderstanding? seems like a decent example. The greater example of the century is probably twitter.
Not sure if it's new or not because I guess I haven't done open forum moderating in long enough spans. But my god someone tried multiple times multiple years to petition me being booted off the staff of a wiki. I honestly don't quite understand it. Maybe I should butthurt moar instead of just generally ramble. You know. For perspective.
Also yeah brits seem to make decent political conversation sometimes. Not sure why. One in particular has gotten me frustrated enough to just call his views on voting and stuff stupid. Tolerates it better than americans I've had similar debates with.
Maybe it's because they don't have the bit level optimization we do when it comes to political interpretation.
or cause monarchy
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @02:46PM (2 children)
4. No whiny bitches. If you try to get anyone else in trouble with the project, you're out the fucking door with my bootprint on your ass.
You sound like a whiny bitch. My asskicking limb is itching.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:41PM (1 child)
You post AC and expect anyone to believe you are even capable of ass-kicking on above a sixth-grade level?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:37PM
This comment is so sixth grade. Sad! #failsoylentnews
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:35PM (1 child)
Irony from buzzard? Say it ain't so. So as long as they don't violate your rules and call you mean names everything is fine? If we're all adults you should be able to handle some criticism. Oh right, back to my first point.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:43PM
Ya, you must be one of Them if you can't tell the difference between calling someone a name and trying to get them given the boot. Ethics. Get some.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Wootery on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:14PM
If you try to get anyone else in trouble with the project, you're out the fucking door with my bootprint on your ass.
Well, sometimes people deserve to be in trouble. You just admitted as much.
The Brits on staff and I have had some epic arguments about politics in IRC and two minutes later been talking in a perfectly friendly manner about a site issue. None of us take our political disagreements personally because they have nothing whatsoever to do with anything site-related.
Glad to hear it. Whenever someone takes personally a disagreement about something distant or abstract (politics, philosophy, religion), I feel a certain intellectual disappointment.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:35AM
Free your feet from shoes today. Live the glam Dick Bathroom Stall-Man life. Eat your own toe jam.
(Score: 2) by andersjm on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:07AM (9 children)
GNU is a trademark of sorts, the label that the FSF uses for projects they govern. There is no "GNU" organisation to join.
What is happening is that Libreboot is handing governance of their project over to the FSF. Maybe that's a good thing, I couldn't say, but the manipulative language irks me a little.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Lagg on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:47AM (8 children)
GNU is a project umbrella like Apache. It's a userspace. FSF is an organization. They want FSF to re-add the project to the umbrella. Though regardless of their motivations I personally think it was a drop dead stupid idea to let the person that decided to have a freakout for what appears to be no reason be the one to post the notice. When you allow people with little shits given to technical eloquence to act in that role, stuff like this happens:
The project is now run collectively with democratic decision making; in most cases amongst maintainers, in others (such as this) where appropriate, with community input.
All decisions in Libreboot now are taken democratically, and several people have root on the website and the git repositories
There are several things wrong there. Starting with the forced politicization that Leah doesn't seem to want to learn from last time it happened. Ending with the massive security hole they're passing as a feature.
It's also overall quite telling that their big open letter has its own share of politicization and everything-but-my-fault [libreboot.org]. Granted. Leah herself was reasonable in that letter. It's the author of the first part that felt the need to drag such things into the light (which is uncool by the way, let people with medicated symptoms do this on their own). Which to me indicates that whatever they did to libreboot to make it even worse of an ideological cat fight than regular GNU they had better fix at its core instead of just saying it's okay because Leah isn't there anymore.
Also, I cant' be bothered to care about free software these days (specifically free software, I still love open source). It was stupid to me when people would act socialist and then say projects aren't a democracy. It's stupid to me when people would act democratic and then bitchslap people for a dissenting opinion. It was especially stupid to me how both of these things can get in the way of phat code.
Overall, not trying to participate in these projects is less of a pressure headache. Leah didn't do damage to the community. The community did rly. I'll just be over here making webterface PRs to those ISC'd and BSD'd and sometimes even unlicensed (GASP) projects that same community so strongly dislikes. Then watch my code get pushed upstream. And be a lil' happy camper. Meanwhile, GNU people can continue bickering over license headers bigger than 8 countries in square mileage and how politically appropriate a project is for a timeframe and maybe get that 3 line patch in eventually.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @11:21AM (4 children)
Would you care to elaborate?
(Score: 2) by Lagg on Saturday April 29 2017, @11:50AM (3 children)
I'm a state actor hired to sew discontent in the fabric of the community and out-stallman stallman in bein' a big ol' dick
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(Score: 2) by Lagg on Saturday April 29 2017, @11:53AM
I apologize but do not regret because I accidentally typo'd that and couldn't find a good place to use it otherwise. My serious response is that you don't give multiple people root as a matter of procedure? You can have multiple users without doing stuff like that? ~/.ssh/authorized_keys and all that? Or am I missing something in the spirit of the post?
http://lagg.me [lagg.me] 🗿
(Score: 2) by fnj on Saturday April 29 2017, @02:17PM (1 child)
... and illiteracy.
(Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Saturday April 29 2017, @05:00PM
Oh, there are plenty of examples of sewing discontent. See, for example, the classic example of Joseph and his coat of many colors [wikipedia.org]. Jacob would definitely sew discontent in his family with that thing... heck, that darn coat was responsible for my own discontent watching that awful Charleton Heston film growing up, which would have never happened if Joseph hadn't been kidnapped to Egypt in the first place, all because his brothers sold him into slavery because someone had sewn discontent.
Awful thing, that coat.
Anyhow, sweatshops also tend to sew a lot of discontent. I could go on.... :)
(Score: 1) by purple_cobra on Saturday April 29 2017, @12:12PM
I'd also suggest that the ability to just brain dump into a text editor then make that available to anyone with internet access and the patience to read it is not particularly helpful to those who might have problems with impulse control. If you know you're prone to that sort of thing, perhaps a self-imposed delay in posting - 12 hours later the browser asks "are you sure you want to post this?", for example - would be beneficial. I've also taken prescription medication in the past that left me in a less than normal state of mind; I'm just glad that internet access via ever-present smartphones wasn't available then!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @09:00PM
Also, I cant' be bothered to care about free software these days
And I can't be bothered with "open source" because many "open source" advocates don't make freedom their number one priority and it is therefore an unwise label for a free software advocate to take up.
The problems you describe are hardly limited to free software projects, and "open source" has countless problems of its own.
(Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Sunday April 30 2017, @01:57AM
ok you're on.
A while back I was completely convinced that I was a clandestine field agent for the United States Marine Corps Forces Cyber Command.
Perphenazine took care of that little problem.
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