An ICE hotline set up to allow reports of crimes committed by "criminal aliens" has had a close encounter with trolls:
The administration set up the Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement (VOICE) Office on Wednesday, in accordance with President Trump's executive order in January. The office, folded within the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency, aims to "assist victims of crimes committed by criminal aliens," according to the Department of Homeland Security.
"Alien" is a term used by the federal government to describe individuals who are not American citizens but who reside on U.S. soil. [...] Despite the line's intended purpose, callers have been reporting a range of abnormal activity.
1-855-48-VOICE to report all your encounters w/ illegal martians, rude Sasquatch, unleashed Texas Blue Hounds, Springheel Jack. Goblin army.
— Kathleen Dennis (@chelseabmw) April 27, 2017
ICE denounced the calls, saying such actions hurt victims of real crimes. Callers have even mentioned spotting "muggle-borns," a term from the "Harry Potter" book series referring to magical characters with non-magical parents.
Also at The Atlantic and CNN. Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement (VOICE) Office.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Saturday April 29 2017, @03:38PM
The article is derogatory toward trolls. WTF? Racist bastards!
(Score: 4, Insightful) by BsAtHome on Saturday April 29 2017, @03:54PM (19 children)
Do Your Duty! Call Now! Report Now!
(those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it)
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @04:42PM (17 children)
The terrible history of finding law breakers and sending them back to their home country? Which laws do we follow and which do we not? Should we stop reporting shop lifters too? We as a country agreed on the terms of how people not from this country can enter and stay. Sure our government is a shit show, and it's hard to get things changed, but we aren't rounding people up and gassing them. This is standard procedure in most countries.
You yourself do not have to like the laws, nor do you have to report law breakers. But you seem to be implying we are doing something deeply sinister, when we are not. People who break laws should realize that one day they may face consequences of their actions, and those consequences can and usually will affect their loved ones. It's sad but it's true. I don't see the out pouring of support for people that are thrown in jail, separated from their families. Is somehow jail better? Being on the other side of the state can be just as hard for people to go visit when you are dirt poor.
I'd like to see the laws changed to where if you were a child when you entered the country 20 years ago we don't send you back since you know nothing of your home country and may not even speak the language, but I don't think we can accept everyone who wants to come to this country either.
But please explain yourself on what exactly you mean by doomed to repeat it. Because all I am coming up with is the holocaust.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:11PM
The terrible history of finding law breakers and sending them back to their home country? Which laws do we follow and which do we not?
Be careful what you wish for.
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2014/11/04/david-barton-explains-how-you-could-be-committing-three-felonies-a-day/ [theblaze.com]
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:18PM (14 children)
There are few things on this earth that are more absurd than telling a person where he can or cannot be! It is more bigoted than restrictions on religion, which really is a matter of choice. Place of birth isn't. But.. people are animals, just as vicious and territorial, clinging to the false god of 'zero sum' and 'limited resources' in order to obstruct others. Among other life forms it is perfectly natural and normal. In humans, though still natural, it is pathological and irrational. Allowing freedom and prosperity of others does nothing to diminish yours. Just tear down the bureaucracy, and all will be well.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by jmorris on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:37PM (4 children)
You can have open borders or a welfare state. Choose one.
Personally I think we should have neither as a policy decision but math excludes implementing both at the same time.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:43PM (2 children)
Well, we are long ways away from a welfare state.
Well, welfare for the poor. We are replete with welfare for the rich - home mortgage deduction, tax-free health insurance, roth IRAs, college IRAs, health savings accounts, small business loans.
So open borders it is.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:31PM (1 child)
"Free" stuff:
Government schools, military, police, firefighters, roads, SNAP/food stamps/WIC, federal disability payments, cash payments via EITCs, subsidized living expenses ala Section 8, Robamacare [politico.com], various and sundry handout programs ala Obamaphones, weather reports, prisons, and more I'm overlooking.
In 2015, the US federal budget was 3.8 trillion dollars [nationalpriorities.org]. One way or the other, those funds are spent on welfare, with ~2.45 trillion mainly benefitting "poor" people.
The USA is absolutely a welfare state, a fatal flaw all on its own. Continuing the practice of open borders for a gravely-injured welfare nation will be fatal.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @01:02AM
So you made a list of things that we dribble out to as few people as possible for as short a period of time as possible.
The existence of some welfare does not make the USA a welfare state.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:50PM
You're just applying 19th century thinking. We don't need the slave trade anymore (which is what borders are all about. Nations are prisons). And we certainly don't need to allow bureaucrats so much power.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:45PM (5 children)
There are few things on this earth that are more absurd than telling a person where he can or cannot be!
Then I'm sure you won't mind if I move into your house starting tomorrow.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:58PM
Then I'm sure you won't mind if I move into your house starting tomorrow.
If countries are the same thing as houses you are already squatting in my house.
So GTFO you god damn hobo before I shoot you!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:32PM (3 children)
Please! Don't be stupid. You can move into the fraudulently foreclosed house next door.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:34PM (2 children)
What's stupid about it? I don't want to be in the house next door - I very specifically want to be in "your" house! You yourself just claimed that "telling me where I can or cannot be is stupid" [soylentnews.org], so how is "your" house any different? Please explain for me, the absurd one.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:45PM (1 child)
Not only are you being absurd, you are also obtuse. Maybe you're just being silly, I don't know. Sorry if I don't play along, I gotta haddock.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @06:18AM
He's apparently thinks he owns everybody's house, so even one illegal person here is in one of his houses.
(Score: 2) by IndigoFreak on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:40PM (2 children)
There are few things on this earth that are more absurd than telling a person where he can or cannot be!
You need to change this statement. We tell people where they can and cannot be all the time. You cannot be standing on roads or highways. You can get jailed. You can't be in private property. We limit the number of people in buildings. I'm not sure where you get the idea that everyone has the right to be anywhere. What about people with highly contagious diseases? Should we have allowed Ebola infected people to take airplanes and go to any country they wish? What about special events that require entry fees or special permission?
Why is it absurd that a country cannot have a say in who is and who is not allowed to enter?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:05PM (1 child)
No, it's the idea of 'country' that is absurd. Borders are for business, legal and illegal. And your other absurdities aside, a person has the right (though presently unenforceable) to live and work where he wants. We are entitled to the same rights as any other migrating animal. It is long past time we enforce our rights!
(Score: 2) by IndigoFreak on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:39PM
Going to assume you were the parent I was replying to. Why? You say these things are true, but you don't explain why. We are not animals. We have agency. Why are people free from rules placed on them by a society?
(Score: 2) by urza9814 on Tuesday May 02 2017, @12:03AM
What, exactly, do you think is the purpose of this program?
Is it to identify and apprehend undocumented immigrants? Based on what, exactly? What evidence would a person have to prove that they were victimized by an undocumented immigrant? What, if you get mugged you expect the guy to hand over his immigration documents? Do you expect to knock on your neighbor's door and request to see theirs? Even if you did, they have no obligation to actually present such information.
So what we have here is a program where the government is asking people to report their neighbors to the police based on crimes for which they are unlikely to have any evidence. But their call CREATES the evidence for the government to go look. It provides a way to bypass standard due process for search and seizure while simultaneously sowing fear and distrust among the population by making us victimize each other on behalf of the government, without the government getting the blame for any resulting bias.
If these laws are so important to enforce, then empower the police to enforce them. If they aren't willing to spend the money to do that, maybe there's a reason. Either they DON'T think those laws matter, and just want to pretend to be doing something without funding it; or they want to enforce laws that they know the general public would oppose, so they're trying to find ways around that by having those potentially abusive or controversial actions carried out by non-government agents instead.
(Score: 2) by butthurt on Sunday April 30 2017, @12:33AM
> I too have to call because I've seen my neighbor lingering too long at the shed.
Police in Ohio say a crying woman was being held captive in a pit inside her neighbour’s backyard shed [...] neighbours called police about 4 a.m., after hearing cries from the shed.
-- http://www.torontosun.com/2017/04/26/captive-woman-found-in-pit-in-ohio-mans-shed [torontosun.com]
(Score: 3, Funny) by bzipitidoo on Saturday April 29 2017, @05:12PM (2 children)
Lord Voldemort has taken over the White House. Must've imperioused President Trump. How else could Dolores Umbridge become our new secretary of education?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:06PM (1 child)
What is this word:
I get:
imperious ed
imperious-ed
imperious
impervious
superimposes
Somehow this word shuts down my ability to think about itself.
(Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:39PM
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Imperius_Curse [wikia.com]
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @05:36PM (5 children)
I have zero tolerance for government resources being wasted by immature idiots. Why ?
Because the law on illegal aliens is clear and because ultimately the resources being wasted cost every taxpayer money.
You fuckwits think you can cherry-pick which laws you obey ? You're idiots.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:17PM
I have zero tolerance for government resources being wasted by immature idiots.
And yet you elected an immature idiot for president.
Because the law on illegal aliens is clear and because ultimately the resources being wasted cost every taxpayer money.
Which law, exactly, required the creation of this hotline?
How, exactly, does this hotline serve the "clear" law on illegal aliens?
The waste here was the creation of an entire office of the government in the service of propaganda.
Why aren't you calling for the people responsible for that waste to be "punished severely?"
It really isn't about "the law" for you, is it? Its about the xenophobic bigotry that this boondoogle was created to promote.
Ironically, that's exactly what it is about for the pranksters too. They just happen to be protesting the bigotry that you want promoted.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:34PM
You fuckwits think you can cherry-pick which laws you obey ?
Well, we 'cherry-pick' who has to obey them (usually based on phenotype, fame, or funding, or lack thereof)... I mean, fair's fair, right?
And if you want to get into the absurd, look what we picked for president and congress. The damn law hardly matters anymore. So save the drama, please.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Lagg on Saturday April 29 2017, @11:39PM (1 child)
Hey, can I snort meth off your cock and then suck it? You have to call me bad names though while I do it.
I like bumpkin cultist RP. Consequence of being in AZ my whole life maybe.
http://lagg.me [lagg.me] 🗿
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @05:48AM
AZ propoer or Nagorno-Karabakh?
(Score: 2) by urza9814 on Tuesday May 02 2017, @12:06AM
Hotlines are not laws. Hotlines are a way the government can attempt to BYPASS laws by having non-government "volunteers" do their dirty work for them.
Your Constitutional Rights protect you from the government. They do not protect you from your neighbors. If the US government is trying to get your neighbors to do police work, consider why they wouldn't just have the police do their damn job instead.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by linkdude64 on Saturday April 29 2017, @05:39PM (6 children)
Right up there with the people whose favorite food is McDonalds, whose favorite TV shows are Game of Thrones and Big Bang Theory, whose favorite artists are whoever is topping the charts this year, and whose favorite clothing is whatever is in season.
Get the fuck off of my lawn and go read some Dan Simmons, Zelazny, Tolkien, Stephen Donaldson, and/or T H White.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:21PM
JFC is your inferiority complex so overpowering that you have to shit on practically everyone to feel good about yourself?
(Score: 2) by tibman on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:28PM (4 children)
I don't think it's a binary thing. I've read the Hyperion series, Carrion Comfort, and the Illium & Olympos series. All great. I really like Game of Thrones (the tv series). I really like some "popular" stuff. I agree that McDonalds is crap though and the people who like it are scum : P
SN won't survive on lurkers alone. Write comments.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:56PM (1 child)
Nerds hate big bang theory because, exactly every other successful sitcom, it parodies stereotypes.
It just so happens that the stereotypes in BBT are nerds and holy shit, nerds can ... not ... laugh at themselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @03:24AM
The thing that pissed me off about that phenomenon was encountering people who claimed to be nerdy and would say things, but then I'd actually try to engage them on their vague references, only to find out that they were just parroting bullshit from that show.
"Oh yeah, I love SNES games still too. What was your favorite?"
"Uhh... well, uh..."
"Oh, so you like watching sports and drinking shitty beer, but you claim otherwise to make you seem less one-dimensional?"
"Yeah, basically."
"Sigh. Fair enough."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:28PM
Why bother, just more bigoted crap from assholes. Trying to inform them of reality is an exercise in futility.
(Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Saturday April 29 2017, @09:28PM
I know, I know...I mean I read the first three HP books and was enormously underwhelmed, and that is really what I base my judgements of the series on, not to speak of the fanbase. I hear that the following books get much more interesting, I just struggle to eliminate the bias I have seeing that well before the 3rd book was out the series had received critical acclaim. Similar issue to how McDonalds is desperately trying to rid themselves of the stigma they have rightly earned for serving the cheapest synthetic edible food-like substances for years by offering yogurt cups and apple slices.
I have been telling myself for years to buy the other books and giving it a 4th chance, but I just can't bring myself to.
I remember the ancient space-faring tree-ships of Hyperion and am dumbstruck at how a central character in Harry Potter, the "evil wizard...without a nose!!" is somehow more compelling to the global audience than a mere object in the former book, and all that comes to mind is that marketing principle, "appeal to the lowest common denominator to achieve the greatest popularity." Again, not talking down on your tastes, just elaborating on my perspective and quite real struggle. Just this week I physically tensed up after someone who could not spell "bearing" correctly stated to me that they "loved to read" and that Harry Potter was their favorite series.
(Score: 2) by requerdanos on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:30PM (7 children)
Tommy Lee Jones, in Men in Black, to immigration patrol:
Please, keep protecting us from the dangerous aliens.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by jmorris on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:43PM (6 children)
While a throwaway gag line, look at the bigger picture. Even in that film, the MiB were enforcing immigration policy as one of their core functions. They were resettling aliens among the human population but they had to be vetted, go through a process and were monitored. Because even in a comic book (the original source material) the idea that US Gov would or should simply allow aliens to immigrate at will and with no controls into the Earth was too absurd to expect the audience to accept. But Cthulhu swims slowly but he always swims left, so now apparently there would be an audience for such madness.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:47PM (3 children)
Listen to yourself man.
You are now justifying draconian enforcement policies against immigrants based on a comic book.
A freaking comic book!
How delusional do you have to be think that's a logical argument?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by jmorris on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:33PM (1 child)
Reading is fundamental. I was commenting on the writers of the comic book and what was and was not within the range of ideas considered plausible at the time. Even comics are limited to what the audience will accept as plausible, even when you have the general zaniness in MiB. Most people will accept aliens and wierd tech because they don't understand any of it enough to judge what is implausible, but they do understand the real world enough that you can't propose things they know are absurd there without a lot of world building to explain it first. And the MiB acting as the regulating authority on aliens coming and going from Earth and dealing with the threats they bring in with them is pretty much the core idea in that story.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:03PM
> Reading is fundamental.
And reading bullshit into comic books that isn't actually in those comic books is fundamentalist.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:35PM
Achmm... in other words: "where's my -1 Delusional mod when I need it?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:42PM (1 child)
[begin coded message] Super Special SJW Task Force, jmorris Division; special report: Aliens! Subject appears to believe that MiB is a documentary. But as to be expected, with totalitarian spin. We suspect that jmorris may have attempted to contact "O" at MiB Headquarters, and begged to be instated as "Agent M". Certain similarities to the crazies who go to "defend" the southern USAian Border in order to persecute "aliens", but end up marrying a Mexican national. Surveillance continues. Special SJW jmorris squad out. (Oh, thank you for the personnel rotation. Morale much improved.)[end coded message]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @03:11AM
The part that amuses me most about that is that it doesn't actually suggest that there isn't some sort of MiB organization.
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Saturday April 29 2017, @06:46PM (1 child)
Do you know why people don't similarly troll 911 for lulz? How long until the Dept of Justice tires of this game and reminds everyone why every hotline of this nature doesn't get trolled by losers?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @10:38AM
> Do you know why people don't similarly troll 911 for lulz?
Yes I do know. Since you are asking the question, clearly you don't know.
Here's the answer: Because 911 isn't a propaganda stunt.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @07:11PM (4 children)
An ICE hotline set up to allow reports of crimes committed by "criminal aliens"
That is a false representation of what the hotline is for.
From the website for the office: [ice.gov]
*This is not a hotline to report crime.
This is "special treatment" for victims of crimes committed by immigrants.
It remains to be seen if anyone will actually receive any such help by calling the hotline that they would not receive through the normal channels that are available to victims of crimes perpetrated by citizens. It isn't like immigrant criminals actually hurt their victims any worse than non-immigrant criminals. If there is a problem getting victims assistance, why should one class of victims of get more assistance than any other class of victims?
More like this is the same old trumpian bullshit PR -- using already victimized people for his own purposes and then tossing them aside when they are no longer of value to him.
(Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Saturday April 29 2017, @09:37PM (3 children)
Nobody knows who these illegal immigrants are, and I imagine that can be frightening for a victim. Fingerprints are useless and semen samples would be useless for, say, a rape victim.
Not that conviction of a criminal helps the victims directly, but it may reassure them that said criminals are locked up and won't come back to get them, if they are able to be caught.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @11:03PM (2 children)
Nobody knows who these illegal immigrants are, and I imagine that can be frightening for a victim. Fingerprints are useless and semen samples would be useless for, say, a rape victim.
Jesus keyrist, do you always pronounce with authority when you know jackshit?
None of that shit applies for native-born criminals either.
(Score: 2) by butthurt on Sunday April 30 2017, @06:10AM (1 child)
> [...] native-born [...]
[...] the Mankato, Minnesota, couple wondered how the doctor knew about Isabel's genes in the first place. After all, they'd never consented to genetic testing.
It's simple, the pediatrician answered: Newborn babies in the United States are routinely screened for a panel of genetic diseases. Since the testing is mandated by the government, it's often done without the parents' consent [...] In many states, such as Florida [...], babies' DNA is stored indefinitely [...]
-- http://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/04/baby.dna.government/index.html [cnn.com]
JUST 6 hours old. That’s the age of one participant in a recent study looking at ways to take the fingerprints of infants. “The pattern is there at birth,” says Anil Jain at Michigan State University in East Lansing. But it is hard to capture. Now Jain and his colleagues are developing a device that could be up to the task.
-- https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23030782-200-we-now-have-the-tech-to-fingerprint-babies-but-should-we/ [newscientist.com]
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @10:35AM
That CNN article is from 2010. Things have got substantially better wrt to infant DNA retention. It still a problem in some states because there is no federal law. But Florida went from indefinite retention to 6 month retention in 2011.
http://www.cchfreedom.org/cchf.php/385 [cchfreedom.org]
(Score: 2) by GlennC on Saturday April 29 2017, @09:17PM (1 child)
Why not call them to report the immigrants working at the local Tata, Wipro, HCS, etc. office?
$DIETY knows they're violating employment and immigration laws there.
Sorry folks...the world is bigger and more varied than you want it to be. Deal with it.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @11:08PM
And there is the illegal immigrant who violated their visa rules and then lied on their citizenship application [apnews.com] and is currently living in a penthouse in NYC.
Its like the way republican congressmen with the biggest hate-ons for teh gays always turn out to be gay themselves.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Lagg on Saturday April 29 2017, @11:36PM (1 child)
This is what these people are. [youtube.com] Not just ICE but all of it. The "alien" thing is just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But the very real consequences of dehumanization are much less amusing.
These immigration offices are some of the biggest pieces of shit in the country. They don't care about your safety or who is or isn't illegal. It's to do what Trump's admin was already successful at with the dropping of the MOAB: it makes his :flag: :flag: :flag: :raised_hands: :flag: cultists so happy they immediately plan a gay orgy in celebration.
http://lagg.me [lagg.me] 🗿
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @01:06AM
I get the impression that the people for whom the power rush of being a cop just wasn't enough have all joined ICE and CBP.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Hairyfeet on Sunday April 30 2017, @01:36AM (4 children)
I'll just leave this abridged list here [immigrationshumancost.org] which has but a fraction of those murdered by illegals.
We have one of the most lax immigration policies of the entire western world, its not too much to ask to have those that want to come into this country do the small amount required of them to become legal immigrants. Ironically one could easily argue that by refusing to inforce the border laws you are actually making things worse for Mexicans [youtube.com], because by allowing a good chunk of the most motivated to leave the country there is no pressure on the corrupt regime to do anything to clean up the cesspool run by narco-terrorists that Mexico has become.
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @02:06AM (1 child)
"Hello? ICE Alien Hotline? Yes, I have a possible illegal alien to report. He can be found sometimes at SoylentNews, and goes by the handle "Hairyfeet", which is only one of the reasons I think he might be an alien. He also has "challenged" normal earth-people, and has what can only be described as an extra-terrestrial love for Microsoft. I mean, only an alien would do that, right? Please send someone to capture this FeetofHair thing as soon as you can, I think it may be multiplying. Thank you. Signed, concerned citizen."
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 30 2017, @05:21AM
Sounds more like a Hobbit than an illegal immigrant. The only one I've ever heard of who manages to make a daily second-breakfast out of his own foot of course :D
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @10:28AM (1 child)
Ironically one could easily argue that by refusing to inforce the border laws you are actually making things worse for Mexicans [youtube.com], because by allowing a good chunk of the most motivated to leave the country
One can easily say all kinds of bullshit because bullshit is the easiest thing to say.
The people coming to the US are the "most motivated" because they are the poorest, and being the poorest they have least ability to exert political pressure, especially in a corrupt regime.
However, the facts of history have shown that stepping up of border enforcement had the effect of drawing the "most motivated" out of mexico and keeping them in the US because when border crossing is difficult then the people who make it across choose to stay permanently rather than risk it a second time. Unintended consequences.
(Score: 2) by captain normal on Sunday April 30 2017, @04:39PM
"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
MOTHER OF EXILES. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts"- --Daniel Patrick Moynihan--