A new study led by the University of Delaware found that kids who are bullied in fifth grade often suffer from depression and begin using alcohol and other substances a few years after the incidents.
"Students who experienced more frequent peer victimization in fifth grade were more likely to have greater symptoms of depression in seventh grade, and a greater likelihood of using alcohol, marijuana or tobacco in tenth grade," said the study's leader, Valerie Earnshaw, a social psychologist and assistant professor in UD's College of Education and Human Development.
The study involved researchers from universities and hospitals in six states, who analyzed data collected between 2004 and 2011 from 4,297 students on their journey from fifth through tenth grade. The findings were published online in the medical journal Pediatrics.
The students were from Birmingham, Alabama; Houston, Texas; and Los Angeles County, California. Forty-four percent were Latino, 29 percent were African American and 22 percent were white.
Do you see this being true in your own life, or in the lives of others you know?
Peer Victimization, Depressive Symptoms, and Substance Use: A Longitudinal Analysis (open, DOI: 10.1542/peds.2016-3426) (DX)
(Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @03:33AM (5 children)
Nope, I taught my nephews to fight. It isn't an issue.
The one sure way to deal with bullying is the following philosophy: you may be able to whip my ass but if you do you're not getting off pain-free either and you're going to have to do it every day from now on.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by GungnirSniper on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:39AM (2 children)
Did you also teach them to let some things slide?
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(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:50AM
Nah, not my area of responsibility. As Uncle Buzz, my job is generally to feed them bad ideas and misinformation, thus teaching them critical thinking skills. In this particular case I stepped outside that role to teach them to fight because my brother had neglected that bit of their education. Not intentionally, it was just something he hadn't thought to teach them yet.
Letting some things slide is a good skill to have, no doubt, but it does not work with bullies. Letting a bully slide is nothing but positive reinforcement.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @01:16PM
That lesson comes only after the lesson to fight.
Nonbelligerence without capability to hurt others is not a virtue, but a plain weakness. Noble is only the one who can as well be bad, but choses not to.
The third and most important lesson is: how to properly communicate where you stand in that spectrum without having to actually fight. Once that lesson is absorbed, transition into maturity is completed.
(Score: 1) by Goghit on Thursday May 11 2017, @06:28PM (1 child)
Glad that worked out for you and your nephews.
A member of the extended family is proud of how he taught his son to fight back against bullies. What he doesn't know (and none of us are going to tell him in his old age) is that his son grew up to be a bully and a rapist.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday May 11 2017, @07:17PM
Which is why you teach them the "why" as well as the "how".
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @03:36AM (2 children)
So if you or someone you know were bullied which likely caused a war like PTSD for starters. Did you find anything that improved the mental health significantly?
Being bullied and being depressed sucks. But there's no time machine presently. So the most efficient approach may be to improve the current situation rather than focusing on history that can't be changed.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by r_a_trip on Wednesday May 10 2017, @12:40PM (1 child)
Did you find anything that improved the mental health significantly?
Yes. I've been bullied and mobbed by teachers throughout primary school. Was made to feel unwanted and worthless. It really messed me up. Had a few therapy sessions over the years. Luckily the last therapist understood I needed to process my issues and give them the place they needed. He set me on the path of facing all my issues and the underlying causes and process them, so that they didn't directly impact me anymore in the present.
Resolving my issues and putting them in the past, I discovered a very powerful principle. Ultimately, I'm the one keeping any hurt alive. All the bullies are no longer impacting my life. So any pain, resentment, anger, fear and sadness on a loop in my head is being kept there by me. Once I understood I was the one keeping the terror active, I was able to let it go.
I'm emotionally much more stable now. My interactions with other people are no longer completely dominated by defense mechanisms against abuse. Of course there is still residual damage. Problems with self-esteem and self-worth. Periodic mood swings. Generally more cynical than I need to be. I'm much better than I used to be, but it's not on a fully acceptable level yet.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:11PM
I learned that with worry: 99% of the things you worry about will not come true. Find that 1% you really need to deal with and prep for it.
Face it, deal with it and put it behind you: and yes sometimes dealing with it is SOOOO much harder than not dealing, but in the end you'll be able to hold your head up.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @03:36AM (6 children)
Been there, a bit at least, and it sucked. Add "dating" and "grades" to the study and I'm sure it gets more interesting.
It might not be all bad. Consider the evolution of suicide. Tribes are in competition with each other, and also struggling against nature. Tribes survive better if they don't have underperforming members who don't pull their weight. Bullying helps people to see that they are the underperforming member. The genes of the suicidal are indirectly promoted because close relatives (the tribe, sharing most DNA) are more likely to survive.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by kaszz on Wednesday May 10 2017, @03:44AM (5 children)
The problem with that is people may be underperforming in physical intimidation but be excellent in finding water or building weapons. It selects for the wrong things in a society that advanced above tribalism.
Case in point Sparta vs Greece.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:05AM (3 children)
> It selects for the wrong things in a society that advanced above tribalism.
This.
I am a nerd and would have been bullied much more than I was, but for a couple of happy accidents --
* in 1st grade while flailing around I happened to connect with a bully and gave him a good bloody nose. That guy (eventually a big & nasty football player in high school) never bothered me again.
* a neighborhood kid who must have been mob connected (his father officiated at a horse racing track) played with me in middle school and we found something in common (and are still loosely in touch nearly 50 years later). In high school he hung with a very tough downtown gang (rumored to be involved in heavy duty crime)...but I never asked. Anyway, people would see us talk occasionally in high school and it was known that I was his friend, which gave me a useful amount of protection (but not perfect).
(Score: 2) by Dunbal on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:24AM (2 children)
I've always been a nerd. Worse, kids used to say I looked like a girl because my parents kept my hair shoulder length. Well that stopped at school when one kid ended up chipping a tooth on the floor of the gym after I decked him in 3rd grade (I was in boarding school), and at summer camp it stopped when one kid ended up stabbed in the knee with a pen. I figured out quickly that the best form of defense is attack. Of course that was 40 years ago. Nowadays I'd probably end up in jail...
(Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:17AM (1 child)
Correction: A school resource officer would fear for his life and shoot you (let's say a 13-year-old) dead.
If you're lucky, you might get the less-than-lethal Axon Taser pain compliance treatment.
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by Dunbal on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:35AM
I was 9, but ok. Yeah they probably would have tased me and hauled me off to juvie or something. Man the world has changed. I'm starting to get why old farts don't seem to mind dying so much. I don't recognize this place. All I got was my ears pulled by the nuns and locked in an empty room for a few hours.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @06:26AM
In a less-modern world, you don't get bullied if you are good at finding water or building weapons. You are needed. You have value.
The same mostly applies in our modern world, except... few kids provide real value. Bullying runs rampant in schools partly because students aren't part of a team fighting together against nature or man. Students are unable to exchange real value with each other.
In the absence of actual value, kids invent fake value. Their minds demand it. So you get all sorts of clubs, gangs, cliques, and so on. The leftover kids become the useless overhead and/or enemy.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday May 10 2017, @03:56AM (9 children)
Bullying fucking sucks, and you would be *amazed* how physical and violent girls get too. Or maybe it was just due to where I grew up, heaven knows.
I suffered until seventh grade, then one day went berserk on one of my attackers and broke several of her ribs (which raises the question, who the hell thought picking a fight with a five foot six 12 year old was a good idea? I was tiny-adult-sized!). Did I get suspended? Hell yes I did. But here's the thing: no matter what I did or didn't do beforehand, I *also* always got punished. At that point I simply decided if the results are the same anyway, I am going to get my pound of flesh.
And you know what? It worked. No, it didn't stop all the bullying, but it limited it to the less physical things girls do, the sniping and snickering and social sabotage. Which is bad enough on its own, but at least no one ever laid a hand on me again.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:14AM (6 children)
It's nice to know you're not completely wrong on everything. See, it's like a friend of mine's always telling his kids: Every person you meet has at least one thing they can teach you.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:17AM
Well...you tried. You failed miserably, but you tried *patpat* Go lie down, sweetie, the grownups are talking.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 4, Informative) by takyon on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:19AM (4 children)
How about: If you have something half-nice to say, don't say half of it.
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(Score: 2, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:26AM (1 child)
Come on, man. Asking me to not take a jab at my biggest fan is just unreasonable. She'd be downright disappointed if I went and just agreed politely with her.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Funny) by takyon on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:28AM
I didn't say which half!
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(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:27AM (1 child)
Funny, that's exactly the kind of passive-aggressive bullshit I got from other girls :D Is there something you'd like to share with us, Uzzard?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:41AM
Yep, this: I think it's past your bedtime (I know it's past mine). That was takyon not me.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Dunbal on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:28AM
As a father of two girls (thankfully in their mid 20's now), I can confirm that little girls are fucking mean, heartless, cruel bitches. And some of them are bullies on top of that. Fortunately most of them grow up and learn to take it out on their husbands only. But next time you're with your female companion, stare at her the minute another female walks into the room and watch how she sizes up the competitor/victim.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @06:05AM
As a guy I got bullied when I changed schools (some from old classmates in extracurricular activities, others at the new school.) It wasn't until end of the 8th grade that I actually got assaulted. But that only happened by one kid. I'd cultivated a reputation a secondhand reputation as a psychopath over my plans to one day rule the world and enslave everyone, which kept the majority of people from wanting to mess with me (although I did get the similiar stealing of stuff, occasional stuff thrown at my head, even one big group of people hassling me (albeit at a distance.)
Of course school officials were useless about stopping harassment, and at my particular set of schools people who retaliated against bullies were more likely to get thrown out of school than the bullies were (they somehow always seemed to get a pass from school officials, even after 0 tolerance policies were instituted. Only relatively 'unknown' kids got tossed out as a sacrificial lambs, while the really abusive people 'had potential/a hard life and deserved a second chance.'
My one assault DID in fact get expelled, but not until the following year (happened on the last day of school) and only because he'd had other runins prior to that. As an added bonus he ended right fucking back at my high school (a charter school no less, that required special application to enter!) and hassled me a few times a year until I got out.
The only good thing to happen while I was at that school was getting to watch the guy who knocked the principal on his ass run by successfully escaping across the field during PE class. He was arrested at home sitting in front of the TV because the only car at his residence had a dead battery and he didn't have money to escape :P Sadly that principal stayed for a couple more years before transferring or retiring (I stopped caring and lost track once I got out.) 20+ years on and I've only met 2-3 people from high school despite living in the same town for 30 years. Good riddance.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:08AM (25 children)
Bully's do well because they are in gangs.
The reason why fighting back only does the victim harm is not any physical damage they might get from THAT fight but because they are already socially victimized by everyone from the other "peers" to people in authority there is never A bully, it is a social construction of selecting victims an victimizing them, there is no solution since the whole sick mess of a society is constructed on it as foundational.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:20AM (21 children)
I beg to differ. It generally only takes once of going absolutely apeshit on a bully, win or lose is irrelevant, and not only do they give you a wide berth from then on but you get the respect of your peers for demonstrably not being a pussy. As a guy who topped out at 5'6", I am intimately acquainted with this.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:29AM (11 children)
I have to think that you yourself where a bully in school to be spouting such unsupportable nonsense, you have an ideological desire for this to be true but it just isn't, it's very clear that bullying is sociologically supported by just such assertions that are propagated, from parents, from administrators and through them gangs of kids, physically resisting mostly results in increased victimization of the victim by peers, by authority an by parents, there is no evidence that what you say is true.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:40AM (8 children)
A bully, as the shortest guy in any given room? Yeah, that's me. Shaking down jocks for their lunch money.
I've got thirty-some-odd years (can't really count before school years) of empirical evidence saying it works and you've got supposition saying it doesn't. You lose.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:45AM (7 children)
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, your assertions(this is the internet) are not evidence it's not clear they are even opinion [citation needed]
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:55AM (6 children)
Here's your citation: Your granddad. Every last man in the US knew this until relatively recently. Quite a lot of them could provide you multiple data points even.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:01AM (5 children)
Your "citation" is I'm not man enough? yah you where a bully and still are, that much is clear, you taught you nephews to fight, not to defend themselves it seems.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:11AM (4 children)
Pulling stuff straight out of our asses now, are we?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:31AM (3 children)
To drunk to remember what you wrote? not my problem
"Here's your citation: Your granddad." did you know my grandfather ?, he most likely would have punch you in the face and called you a fascist that justified and propagated the violence of others and of authority, but what do I know.. He was a self educated man, a self made man, who never liked those that justified power over relationships.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:33AM (2 children)
Your granddad. As in "ask him". Thus citation. Get some reading comprehension.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:45AM (1 child)
Oh so we're on to NO YOU! well here we are
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:52AM
You really just spout unrelated words, don't you? I'm calling Turing Test failed on whoever's bot this is.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Informative) by NotSanguine on Wednesday May 10 2017, @06:39AM
I have to think that you yourself where a bully in school to be spouting such unsupportable nonsense, you have an ideological desire for this to be true but it just isn't, it's very clear that bullying is sociologically supported by just such assertions that are propagated, from parents, from administrators and through them gangs of kids, physically resisting mostly results in increased victimization of the victim by peers, by authority an by parents, there is no evidence that what you say is true.
There are many things I disagree with Buzzard about, but my experience taught me that bullies are cowards. If you stand up to them, they will almost always then leave you alone.
After a really traumatic family experience, I changed schools to start the fourth grade. There were a bunch of kids who thought I was stuck up, rather than traumatized. For several weeks they chased me home from school *every* single day. Finally, I couldn't take it any more and didn't run.
I got my ass kicked, but I gave as good as I got and those kids never bothered me again. Because as soon as they saw that I wasn't an easy mark, those cowardly little bastards didn't want to mess with me any more.
As kids get older, many of them actually grow up and stop being bullies. But some do not. As an adult, just about every time I've run into adult bullies (usually some scumbag picking on children or women half their size), they scurry off in fear as soon as someone their own size gets in their face.
Why do you think so many women and children are battered and abused? Because cowardly, subhuman scumbags think that's the way to make them feel powerful and in control.
Violence is usually not the correct response to stressful situations. However, in certain, very limited circumstances, it may be the most effective. With adult bullies, it's usually enough to stand up to them and they'll go away. Kids often don't understand consequences, and so are more likely to force you into a fight.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by slinches on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:38PM
TMB is right, I have first hand experience of it. I was bullied for years. They do act as a group, but all it took was one punch and they all left me alone after that. Just show them that you will fight back and they go find another person to target.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:20AM (8 children)
Aaaaahahahaha what, are you saying I was your size in seventh grade? Oh gods, this explains *so much* about you! I had no idea it was such a stereotypical thing, a literal case of "small man" syndrome that was making you such a putz! Jeez, and now you've degenerated into the online equivalent, except you can't even bully effectively. Your mother would be disappointed if she hadn't disowned you at birth :D
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:32AM (7 children)
You're about twenty-five years late if you wanted to get a rise out of me about my height. It was largely irrelevant after I figured out it had little to do with getting laid.
And bullying with words isn't bullying. It's just someone being an oversensitive little bitch.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:40AM (6 children)
I wasn't going to call you "oversensitive little bitch," but since you said it yourself...well, like Angelica Pickles said, if the shoe hurts, wear it :) You're making me feel guilty here, Uzzard, feeding me these juicy straightlines like you do.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:44AM (5 children)
Kind of a stretch there, I think.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:47AM (4 children)
Not for me it isn't :) For you, apparently, it is. Here's a stepladder.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:55AM (3 children)
Excellent, now I can tie my shoes, just like I've always wanted to!
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @07:44AM (2 children)
If you two are the first Soylent couple to get hitched, I hope that I, Anonymous Coward, receive an invitation to your wedding.
(Score: 4, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @12:02PM (1 child)
Don't think it'd work out. We both prefer our partner have boobs. Come to think of it, that's another thing we agree on. Two in forty-eight hours, whodathunkit?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Wootery on Wednesday May 10 2017, @12:10PM
Three if you count each boob.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 10 2017, @01:52PM (2 children)
That may well be your perception. Or, you are confusing "gangs" with "bully". Bullies come singularly, or sometimes in pairs. There aren't groups of bullies. Bullies aren't likeable, no one wants to be around them. That is part of the reason the become bullies. At best, a bully has a couple wannabe-tough-guys hanging around them, because it makes them feel secure - which is the very beginning of a gang mentality.
A bully, singular, is an insecure puppy. He KNOWS everyone is out to get him.
Multiple posts have already been made (Buzzard and Azumi) clearly stating what I already know: IF YOU HURT THE BASTARD HE WON"T COME BACK FOR MORE HURT! Doesn't really matter if you win the fight, or lose the fight - JUST FUCKING HURT HIM!!
Gangs are another creature. Gangs have some things in common with bullies, and gangs may even have a couple genuine bullies in them. But, the mentality is different. Gangs require loyalty, but bullies do not.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @09:18PM (1 child)
How the hell do you "take" the bastard when (1) HR have his back and (2) you're on a work visa in the country. Bullies are scum. It should be legal to kill them.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 11 2017, @12:47AM
Lemme get this straight: You have compromised yourself by signing dumbass contract agreements, and placed yourself at the mercy of a predator. That predator is backed by a predatory corporation's HR. And - only now you discover that mercy is almost nonexistent in the corporate world.
You have two choices, as I see it. And, they are CHOICES. You go ahead and tolerate the abuse, and live in fear - or you man up, break the bully's nose, and head on home, wherever that is. Man up, or snivel in misery. Your choice.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:20AM (4 children)
The survey is the least reliable scientific study. These kids were asked questions in a "computer assisted interview" such as "how often do kids push you in a mean way" or "how often do kids tell nasty things about you to others". OMG stop the fucking presses. There's a correlation between kids who (truthfully or not) will make themselves seem victimized in a survey, and kids who end up being suicidal/depressed because the world doesn't work the way they want it.
(Score: 1) by a-zA-Z0-9$_.+!*'(),- on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:36AM
Weak study finds dubiously interesting results to leading questions. News at 11.
https://newrepublic.com/article/114112/anonymouth-linguistic-tool-might-have-helped-jk-rowling
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:56AM (2 children)
So your saying that this study is the equivalent of microsoft certification ?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:03AM (1 child)
Oooh! That is some pretty severe bullying right there! Did you ever consider the feelings of all the MCSEs?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:10AM
No but I've never failed a computer assisted Voight-Kampff Empathy Test
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:31AM (18 children)
Perhaps SoylentNews is not the best place to discuss this study. Breaking protocol, double blind, trigger alerts, the usual.
(Score: 2) by Dunbal on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:33AM (17 children)
So your solution is censorship. Interesting.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:47AM (16 children)
Shut up, Dubal, or I'll knock the stuffing out of you!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:57AM (12 children)
How do you know he had stuffing for dinner? NSA! aristarchus is NSA!
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:07AM (11 children)
The best counter to brute force is superior intelligence. Thought you would know that, Mon Petit Buse!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:10AM (10 children)
Caveman still beats Astronaut.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:15AM (3 children)
NO, my god, are you an idiot! Everyone, even dunbal, knows that Kirk beats Gorn!
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:25AM (2 children)
Kirk and Gorn are both equally Astronauts. You're implying the Gorn race are not warp-capable in their own right, which is incredibly racist and antithetical to Trek itself.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:35AM (1 child)
Busted! So, oh noble and learned AC, what are we to conclude from this entire episode with the Bird of Carrion? (I leave Dubai aside, since I did remove the stuffing from him, and it was polyester! What kind of Soylentil is filled with polyester? I was soooo disappointed.)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @08:40AM
Southern Space-Niggers are from the Coal-Black Nebula.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:21AM (5 children)
Again yet more unsupportable assertions, you can't even reasonably assert this from feelz, astronauts are in excelent physical condition with a lifetime of better food and better access to modern hand to hand techniques not to mention modern weapons and support structures caveman vs astronaut.. astronaut wins
in your example the IRL is caveman is the bullied kid.
great now I have Particle man stuck in my head
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:43AM (4 children)
He sees himself as the heroic caveman, beating the Ugg out of those snooty, superior astronauts, what with their technology and language and cooking meat before they eat it and not wiping their asses on live chipmunks and whatnot...the elitist bastards.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:49AM (3 children)
Rabbits not chipmunks.
Bear and a rabbit are taking a shit in the woods.
Bear: Rabbit, do you have problems with shit sticking to your fur?
Rabbit: No...
Bear wipes ass with rabbit.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @06:09AM
Your not going to convince me to register with this weak bait, I made that mistake with slashdot in 98 and login 3 time ever, registering an account with trolls just isn't worth it
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @07:53AM (1 child)
I'm confused. If the bear aims to remove the shit from the bear's fur, then surely an ass-wiping candidate should be selected based on its tendency to capture and hold shit to itself instead? Or was the bear's question merely concerning the rabbit's attitude toward a future scenario where the rabbit finds itself with (the bear's) shit stuck to itself?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @01:29PM
What are you, an AI on a training?
(Score: 2) by Dunbal on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:32AM (2 children)
Shut up, Dubal
MORE censorship. Wow, we certainly are the little word snipper today, aren't we? Tell me what do you do with all those words you collect?
(Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:38AM (1 child)
I said, "Shut up!" Do you want me to say it again, you, you, you bully! Why do you not obey my command that your be quiet! Have you every had that feeling, like when you have been suckered into a trap, and you know it, but it is too late to pull out (like Trump!), and so you have to double down, like a buzzard?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:43AM
S'true. Ever since I saw those twins in the Doublemint commercials.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by a-zA-Z0-9$_.+!*'(),- on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:38AM
"How bullying makes people stronger and more able to cope with life, less likely to drink, smoke, or do drugs" in his Journal of Experimental Overman Studies.
https://newrepublic.com/article/114112/anonymouth-linguistic-tool-might-have-helped-jk-rowling
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:40AM (2 children)
Engineers took over comp sci in the late 90's and engineers are jocks not geeks, so they are the bully's not the bullied, this thread makes that very clear
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @06:21AM (1 child)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @06:48AM
“Engineers are jocks, not geeks”? What a ridiculous notion. In college, the former high school jocks usually go to prison for assault or armed robbery, or end up changing your oil or flipping your cheeseburgers. They used to pump your gas too, but those jobs don't exist any more except in New Jersey They frequently can’t cut the mustard to become productive members of society who can be allowed to live around us.
There. FTFY.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:11AM (1 child)
I was bullied by Garth of Izar. Now the chatter of inferior weaklings annoys me. I will destroy the universe!! And all of you with it!!! I shall finally have peace and quiet! By total genocide!!!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:37AM
Get on with it already... WE ARE WAITING!!
(Score: 2) by bradley13 on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:44AM (5 children)
...if you've been bullied. Seems that lots of us nerdy types were, i.e., specifically the ones who wind up in computer fields.
TFA: Bullying causes psychological harm. Psychologically disturbed people sometimes turn to drugs. Water is wet. News at 11:00. So this paper is the MPI (minimum publishable increment) of research that connects the two dots.
I have a more interesting question, and it's not one I've seen studied: which way does the cause-and-effect go? Are we singled out for bullying, because we're the ones with lousy social skills? Or is it the other way around: whoever gets bullied fails to develop socially, and turns to computers instead of people?
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:59AM
It's generally not the case that the bullied have poor social skills, this is a sociological phenomena not the individual choice of the bully, usually those that get bullied have higher empathy and intelligence, but do not have social standing(primarily provided by parents and school authority figures in children and employers and other state entities in adults) it's about your gang always and kids that can be harmed are always, it is foundational to this society
(Score: 2) by inertnet on Wednesday May 10 2017, @07:46AM (2 children)
I wasn't really a victim of bullying, although some tried. I simply won all three fights I was forced into during primary school, by using my brains as a weapon (well, not literally of course). It wasn't really that bad for me, because the general idea at the time was not to hit the kid with the glasses.
I have another interesting question. Are the bullies mostly first born sons and the victims not? Because a mother develops resistance against male hormones during the first pregnancy, the first born son will generally be more aggressive than the others. I can see that phenomenon very clearly in my own two boys. The oldest always liked to tease the younger while growing up. The same with my oldest brother, always trying to be funny at the expense of the others, before he was old enough to understand what he did and how it affected the rest.
I have no idea if something similar happens with girls. But I wonder, because obviously they also have bullying among them. Mostly through social media nowadays I guess.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @11:18AM
Victim and firstborn. I have no data to offer, just this anecdote.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @11:47AM
on the other hand first-borns get the full attention of their parents, and they are statistically smarter because of that: http://www.bbc.com/news/health-34700739 [bbc.com]
I would guess that more attention from the parents would lead to less chances of being a bully.
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Wednesday May 10 2017, @10:27AM
I suspect people that get singled out, are that because predators sense that they can get away with the bad behavior. Opportunity makes the predator. Just like kids like to poke with sticks at an animal.. because they can.
Kids: From what I have read. Ask adults for help, if that won't work. Then use as much force as you need to. Some school administrations punish the victim when they fight back. So keep it hidden from view if possible. And of course deny any wrongdoing. Once you get out of high school with sufficient grades to get a job or university, you can tell in essence everybody to f-ck off. The key is having your own income.
(hmm, seems like really bad grammar day today)
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 10 2017, @02:15PM
My eldest son came home, with tales of being picked on by the biggest kid in the class. Over the course of a few weeks, I told him, if you tolerate it, you'll be tolerating it all your life. It's UP TO YOU whether you'll be bullied for the next several years in school, then, probably on into early adulthood.
Well, one evening, he stepped off the school bus, and asked, straight up, exactly how to deal with that bully. "What, you're going to put a stop to it?" "Yes, I've had it with that being beat up."
"Alright - here's what you do. At recess, you place yourself somewhere that you know he will be. And, you keep your mouth shut. Just be there. Don't taunt him, don't threaten him, don't touch him, don't do anything, and KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! Wait for him to approach you, wait for him to run his mouth. You know at some point, he'll take a swing, or push you, or something. You KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT all the while, no matter how long it takes. Then, when he reaches out to touch you, you bend down, like I've showed you, flex those thigh and leg muscles, then come back up and BREAK HIS FUCKING NOSE!! Then, you KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT and wait for the teachers to show up."
He asks, "But won't I get in trouble?"
"Well, boy, you're already in trouble, aren't you?"
"But, I'm not in trouble with the teachers."
"The worst thing the teachers can do, is suspend you, or get Mr. Click to give you a swat for fighting. Does it hurt worse when Mr. Click swats your ass, or this little asshole punches you in the head?"
(Yes, corporal punishment was still in use, here in Backwoods, Nowhere, when my sons were in elementary school.)
That last question settled the issue for my son. He failed to break the kid's nose, but it was a fine bloody mess. He rolled around on the ground for a good long while, screaming bloody murder.
Within the week, the bully came to my son, and asked him why it took so long for my son to fight back, and wanted to know what made him finally fight back. The boys developed a freindship that lasted through junior high school, when the former bully moved to another state.
It works. You inflict some pain on a bully, and he WILL stop bullying you. But, you can't be a panty waist, and give him a little bitch slap - you've got to make it HURT!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:47PM (2 children)
Response to physical bullying. But most bullying is psychological and general is started by an authority figure such as a teacher. The children follow in kind. Since the bullying is systemic, the child has no options. This is what creates the kids who seem to always get in trouble. School sucks. We are just bricks in the wall, when one drops out it is replaced by another.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 10 2017, @06:14PM (1 child)
I won't argue that your scenario happens, but I don't think I've ever seen it. If I saw it, I was blind to it. If anything, teacher's pets are bullied, more than the teacher's least favorites. It always seemed to me that the least favorites kinda clustered together, getting into trouble, both in school and out. Teacher's pets, however, suffer the ire of everyone who is not a teacher's pet. In your scenarios or mine, teacher has a damned good reason not to have favorites, and not to have their unliked least favorites.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by bradley13 on Wednesday May 10 2017, @06:35PM
He's not talking about teacher's pets, I don't think.
I can give an example, although it had nothing to do with bullying by children. My first grade teacher disliked boys. She especially disliked boys who knew the answers to her questions - apparently only girls were supposed to speak up in class. I didn't know this, of course, so when she asked a question, I would answer it. My one specific memory is of her getting so angry that she picked me up by one arm and swung me around in a circle in the classroom. It's actually a rather emotionless memory - I must have been more mystified than frightened.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.